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There are lot of moving parts in this sum -- Also: We will use this result in upcoming videos! 

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@Nikolas_Davis
@Nikolas_Davis 2 года назад
There's a mistake at 10:07. The m-sum goes from zero to *n*, not infinity.
@huguesbornet1211
@huguesbornet1211 2 года назад
The homework assumes m goes from 0 to n to obtain the « green box « in the required form.
@azmath2059
@azmath2059 2 года назад
@@alex_schwartz How could that be? say if m = n+3 you would get n!/[(-3)!(n+3)!] how would you define(-3)!
@SzanyiAtti
@SzanyiAtti 2 года назад
@@azmath2059 I think n choose m is defined to be 0 if m>n, and the usual formula doesn't apply in this case.
@leif1075
@leif1075 2 года назад
Another mistake why the hell is he saying arcdin is only defined from pi/2 to negative pi/2..arcdin can take any value because it's the angle in a circle it can range from 0 to 2pi..anyone else notice?
@yoav613
@yoav613 2 года назад
@@azmath2059 nothing is wrong if you take n=2 you get 8/15 inLHS and RHS
@manucitomx
@manucitomx 2 года назад
That was intense yet clear. Thank you professor, I’m going to use this.
@schrodingerbracat2927
@schrodingerbracat2927 2 года назад
For the "Homework problem", it seems that one cannot just use the Newton's formula in Pascal Triangle, because of the nasty (2m+1) denominator. I solved this by replacing 1/(2m+1) with INTEGRAL(x^2m from 0 to 1). From the binomial theorem, this leads to an integral of the form I(n)=INTEGRAL((1-x^2)^n from 0 to 1). after an x = sin Q substitution and integration by parts, this leads to a reduction formula I(n)= (2n)/(2n+1).I(n-1), which yields (2n)!!/(2n+1)!!.
@deadfish3789
@deadfish3789 2 года назад
I just used induction. Pretty straightforward. I used (n+1)Cm=nC(m-1)+nCm and then reindexed.
@schrodingerbracat2927
@schrodingerbracat2927 2 года назад
@@deadfish3789 when you reindex, 2m+1 becomes 2m+3. How did you deal with that?
@deadfish3789
@deadfish3789 2 года назад
@@schrodingerbracat2927 Of course it has to, otherwise you'd get 0 overall. But actually, I did make a mistake, and can't work out how to get past it.
@khoozu7802
@khoozu7802 2 года назад
@@schrodingerbracat2927it can be proved easily by deduction, let n=3 for 3 terms, let n=4 for 4 terms, etc..
@themathsgeek8528
@themathsgeek8528 2 года назад
A very cool problem! Thanks Prof Penn!
@goodplacetostop2973
@goodplacetostop2973 2 года назад
3:40 1 is probably the most important number in the odd double factorial 😂 10:25 Homework 17:15 Good Place To Stop
@schrodingerbracat2927
@schrodingerbracat2927 2 года назад
surprise! surprise! 1 = 0!!
@violintegral
@violintegral 2 года назад
I also want to point out that the integral from 0 to 1 of (1-y²)^n can also be evaluated by the substitution x=sin(u) or x=cos(u). This will result in the integral from 0 to π/2 of (sinx)^(2n+1), or equivalently, (cosx)^(2n+1). These can be evaluated either by using the Beta function, or by first deriving a reduction formula for the integral of (sinx)^m or (cosx)^m using integration by parts, and then using the resulting recurrence relation. Or you can use the beta function right off the bat after substituting t=y².
@jacemandt
@jacemandt 2 года назад
I think that in the derivation of the 2nd tool, the x isn't a dummy variable, so it seems important to point out that the conversion to the geometric series is only valid for abs(x)
@tomatrix7525
@tomatrix7525 2 года назад
Thanks for clearing that up. I was doubtful about that but couldn’t figure out a justification myself. Well spotted
@viper-sagi
@viper-sagi 2 года назад
and the fact that x is equal to 1 in the end is not a problem?
@l1mbo69
@l1mbo69 2 года назад
@@viper-sagi that's why he takes the limit see 16:43
@garrethutchington1663
@garrethutchington1663 2 года назад
0:59 that's no theta, that's the death star.
@vignotum132
@vignotum132 2 года назад
Holy this is the most satisfying math I've seen in a long time!
@leif1075
@leif1075 2 года назад
HOW?? Dont you find it unstasfying. It's random and out of nowhere to use trig for a nonntrig non geometric equation or problem..why not just cancel out similar terms like n factorial within tbe n plus 1 or something..
@elihowitt4107
@elihowitt4107 2 года назад
@@leif1075 I guess framing it as a question-solution thing isn't satisfying, rather, I think it's better proposed as an interesting results you could derive when playing with arcsin (and applying clever 'tricks')
@vignotum132
@vignotum132 2 года назад
@@leif1075 doesn’t look like that’d simplify a lot, if you have a better way of doing it, please show it. I found it satisfying because it looks so random and clunky but gives a nice answer
@riadsouissi
@riadsouissi 2 года назад
A different approach would be this: The series S can be rewritten as 1/4*sum( n!n!/(2n+1)! * x^(n+1)/(n+1)) where x=4. Then taking the derivative with respect to x and replacing the factorial terms by the beta function Beta(n+1,n+1) in its integral form, we get 1/4*sum(integral (x(t)(1-t))^n*dt)) = 1/4*integral(dx/(1-x(t)(1-t))) after noticing that x(t)(1-t) is always between 0 and 1 for x less or equal than 4 and t between 0 to 1. Then integrating with respect to x and setting x=4, we get 1/2*integral(log|2t-1|/(t(t-1))dt). Substituting y=2t-1 and after some basic manipulations, we get 2*integral(-log(y)/(1-y^2)dy) from 0..1. We can use the geometric representation of the denominator which gives 2*sum(1/(2n+1)^2) = p^2/4
@sharpnova2
@sharpnova2 2 года назад
love these types of problems that call on so many tools
@padraiggluck2980
@padraiggluck2980 2 года назад
⭐️ Lately it seems like every video is a tour de force. I enjoy these videos very much. Thank you, Dr. Penn.
@probablyapproximatelyok8146
@probablyapproximatelyok8146 2 года назад
For the HW of the formula for the sum identity: Recall that the forward finite difference of a function f is defined to be Δf(x) := f(x+1)-f(x), and the k-th forward finite difference is gotten by applying this difference operator k times. For the k-th difference, I’ll denote it by Δ^k[f](x) := f(x+1). One can prove by induction that the n-th forward finite difference of 1/x is (-1)^n * n! / (x(x+1)…(x+n)), because when taking the forward difference of the (n-1)-th forward differences, one can divide on the outside and multiply the inside by x(x+1)…(x+n), and so then the inside becomes (-1)^(n-1) * (n-1)! * (x - (x+n)) = (-1)^n * n!. By induction, one can prove in general that the formula for the n-th forward difference of a function f(x) is Σ{k=0…n, (-1)^(n-k) * nCr(n,k) * f(x+k)}, where nCr(n,k) is the binomial coefficient. Another way to kind of prove this would be to define the shift linear operator Tf (x) = f(x+1), note that Δ= T - 1, and expand Δ^n = (T-1)^n with the binomial theorem, which works because addition and composition of commuting linear operators satisfies all the properties of multiplication needed for the binomial theorem to apply. After this, we can compute Δ^n[1/x](1/2) using both formulas, and after some simple algebra, we get the result we are after. The second homework problem of showing the series converges would be rather tricky to write in a comment, but you can do it by showing that the n-th term is always 0 for all sufficiently large n. To show this, it suffices to show that for h*ln(N+1) = x - x^2/2 for x>0, then showing that since 1/2n is being subbed in for x to obtain this lower bound, the x^2/2 terms become 1/8n^2, the sum of which is bounded above by a constant (π^2 / 48). After all of these lower bounds are used, the inequality that remains to be proven is that h*ln(N+1) 0 for all sufficiently large N. Taking h = 1/4, N >= exp(π^2/12) is enough to prove the claim.
@jackmccarthy7644
@jackmccarthy7644 2 года назад
Just a tip, you should probably start recording your audio in mono. I've noticed a few people in the comments complaining about your voice "Jumping from side-to-side" which makes sense since you have to constantly turn your head to look at the board. The stereo audio doesn't really add much to the video besides being distracting for those of us wearing headphones. Still a great video! Keep up the good work :)
@azmath2059
@azmath2059 2 года назад
I suppose you could listen in mono?
@mohamedfarouk9654
@mohamedfarouk9654 2 года назад
I was waiting for 15 minutes 44 seconds for the upper red line to be erased.
@spro5575
@spro5575 2 года назад
8:30 instead of expansion , we could substitute sinx and get answer by bernoulli's shortcut integral
@idjles
@idjles 2 года назад
I feel the mind of Ramanujan behind this one.
@lspacebarl
@lspacebarl 2 года назад
Are you implicitly changing the order of limits in the second fact, is that justified simply because everything converges absolutely?
@UltraMaXAtAXX
@UltraMaXAtAXX 2 года назад
Likely so. DCT use is there.
@s4623
@s4623 2 года назад
I was wondering where is the dependence of X in the third tool and turns out it didn't get corrected until almost 13 minutes into the video.
@joaovictormelo6442
@joaovictormelo6442 2 года назад
How to divide the sum in minute 9:28 into two of them?
@yashagrahari
@yashagrahari 2 года назад
11:15 Magician Michael
@r.maelstrom4810
@r.maelstrom4810 2 года назад
As currently in many maths manuals, exercises left for the reader are in no way trivial and even more difficult than the principal problem to solve... Pascal Identity doesn't work (and induction over n? Over m?...) There's a 2m+1 in the denominator of the LHS and only n's in the RHS. You cannot get rid of the "m's". You get a bunch of m's and only n's respectively.
@mstarsup
@mstarsup 2 года назад
I was waiting for the magic that occurs at 13:08 ^^
@alancheong2421
@alancheong2421 2 года назад
Can someone explain how (2n)!! can be obtained from induction using Pascal's identity? That's at 10.58.
@khoozu7802
@khoozu7802 2 года назад
It is easy.. When u get 1-n/1!/3+n(n-1)/2!/5-n(n-1)(n-2)/3!/7+... We cannot deduce a general formula for n terms But we can get its pattern by Putting n=3 for 3 terms Putting n=4 for 4 terms ...
@r.maelstrom4810
@r.maelstrom4810 2 года назад
@@khoozu7802 "1-n/1!/3+n(n-1)/2!/5-n(n-1)(n-2)/3!/7+..." What is that notation? Division bar multiple times?
@khoozu7802
@khoozu7802 2 года назад
@@r.maelstrom4810 just divided by two times.
@r.maelstrom4810
@r.maelstrom4810 2 года назад
@@khoozu7802 what? In the form you have written it, it expresses a tower fraction out of nowhere. Make use of parenthesis or brackets. And that is not the unique incomprehensible thing: how do you deal with the "m's"? How did you make them disappear? All of this makes no sense, at least to me, sorry.
@khoozu7802
@khoozu7802 2 года назад
@@r.maelstrom4810I think it is clear that 6/3/2=1, we must divide it from left to right if the breket is not given.
@TJStellmach
@TJStellmach 2 года назад
For x!! to not indicate (x!)! is an irksome abuse of notation. Mathematics has a few of these, for me.
@Tezhut
@Tezhut 2 года назад
Sure, I get what you're saying. But I don't think this one is too bad. The expression (n!)! not used often at all, while the double factorial shows up a lot. In any case, it's not as bad as the abuse that -1 as exponent gets.
@schrodingerbracat2927
@schrodingerbracat2927 2 года назад
excellent observation !!
@CM63_France
@CM63_France 2 года назад
Hi, 0:05 : missing x in the last formula.
@azmath2059
@azmath2059 2 года назад
Michael, I tried the Maths Induction HW and I found that when I make n=2 for the identity the LHS does not equal the RHS??
@yoav613
@yoav613 2 года назад
For n=2 it is 8/15 inLHS andRhs so there is no problem
@azmath2059
@azmath2059 2 года назад
@@yoav613 no it's not. LHS = 13/15 and RHS = 8/15
@yoav613
@yoav613 2 года назад
@@azmath2059 1-2/3+1/5=8/15
@yoav613
@yoav613 2 года назад
@@azmath2059 i can not understand how you get it.it is very easy to see LHS=1-2/3+1/5=8/15 FOR n=2
@azmath2059
@azmath2059 2 года назад
@@yoav613 yes, my mistake, elementary error. Just tried it again with n=2 and n=3 and it all works out, thanks @yoav elbaz
@violintegral
@violintegral 2 года назад
Can someone explain how they showed the convergence of this sum? I tried the ratio test, but the limit L was equal to one. I was thinking that maybe you could use extensions to the ratio test where L=1, such as the ones described in the Wikipedia page here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratio_test
@spaghetti1383
@spaghetti1383 7 месяцев назад
I looked at the wikipedia. Raabe's test and Gauss's test quickly show the series converges since a_n/a_(n+1) is already calculated from ratio test.
@lmp6697
@lmp6697 2 года назад
15:33, isn't there a mistake? (2^n)^2 isn't 4^n
@lmp6697
@lmp6697 2 года назад
@@alex_schwartz thx sometimes i cannot believe how stupid I am
@lifeisbeautiful9945
@lifeisbeautiful9945 2 года назад
@@lmp6697 no issue it happen with me too I m from India from where are you
@giuseppemalaguti435
@giuseppemalaguti435 2 года назад
Oggi sono arrivato al min 13
@IlluminatiJoeCrusade
@IlluminatiJoeCrusade 2 года назад
Tiny Moving Parts *wink* *wink*
@rajan8516
@rajan8516 2 года назад
Early!!
@EngMorvan
@EngMorvan 2 года назад
Pls, use just 1 microphone. Your voice keeps changing the direction it comes from, which is distracting and annoys a lil bit. But the problem is quite interesting. Nice choice. 😉
@leif1075
@leif1075 2 года назад
Why in hell would anyine use trig at all in this problem instead of just algebra..it's random and unintuitive and out of nowhere..isnt everyone else wondering this??
@leif1075
@leif1075 2 года назад
Why the hell would anyone multiply by y at 5:01?? And the. Do all that elliptical craziness that no one would ever think of??That's just random arbitrary nonsense like so much of math is....it's crazy and frustrating..
@cletushumphrey9163
@cletushumphrey9163 2 года назад
lol ok
@leif1075
@leif1075 2 года назад
@@cletushumphrey9163 seriosuly though..why would anyone it comes out of nowhere.
@violintegral
@violintegral 2 года назад
This isn't made to be an intuitive approach. It's very clear that this problem was worked backwards, starting with the power series of (arcsinx)², because obviously almost no one would think of this approach seeing the series for the first time. Don't get so worked up about it.
@leif1075
@leif1075 2 года назад
@@violintegral but if you werent told that fsct about arcsin power series then, hiw would someone solve it..i guess if you are familar with power series represe tation of other functions like sin x or cos x or e^x you can start with those?
@doodelay
@doodelay 2 года назад
@@leif1075 yes
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