Was easy to check out her channel since he tagged her, watched one of her older videos about fat stigma bullshit and she (or they) mentioned having 3 kids. Idk if I feel worse for the patients or the kids.
But if one takes her seriously the serious issue is with the person themself.. Had she not been there they would have found someone else to tell them comforting lies .
At 36 I was 300 lbs with great blood work. By 45 I was diabetic and started showing signs of heart disease. Now I'm approaching 50 and I am very careful with diet and exercise. This "doctor" is dangerous.
I don’t know why people think their blood work is a total picture of their health. It’s just part of it and I see so many comments on here about bloodwork in general and saying they have great or even “ perfect” blood work. It’s like saying the analysis of oil in my car engine is great and thinking that means the motor is in perfect condition.
My morbidly obese father likes to brag about his bloodwork - which he gets a lot of because he has multiple comorbidities. He responds very well to all of the drugs that they give him so the numbers look good, BUT he keeps having other problems crop up that they then have to manage with drugs or procedures. Yah he’s not healthy and the bloodwork is not at all representative of his true life experience or the fact that he’s going to die in the next decade if not much sooner.
I used to train 18 hours a week. And I ate 2 blocks of chocolate per week, and had maybe 3 junk food meals per week. I'd hear people say, "you can't out-train a bad diet" and I'd say, "but look at me." I never had bloodwork done, so I can't comment on that, but my immune system must have been a bit f'd, because I would get sick a few times a year. Eventually I had to cut my training because of a injury. It's also very possible that the injury would have been prevented if my body didn't have so much inflammation with the shitty diet.
Exactly, you're "fine" being obese until you're not and then you're REALLY not okay. The S-shaped curve of negative outcomes related to obesity really is a bitch.
Unless you’re underreporting how much “junk” food you ate, you were now where near having a poor diet compared to how rigorous a fitness regime you had, 18 hours? Jesus
I like this new format of putting the study he is relying on at the bottom of the screen as he goes along. A lot of "science based" fitness personalities stray too far and don't actually show what the studies meaningfully support. This format keeps him honest and keeps confidence in what he is saying. It is a very nice touch.
After watching Layne for years it would stand out when people would say all studies prove their point then never show any. Or not study proves CICO etc, even though we no that is incorrect. I'd often be watching and thinking it's not true or where are the studies? Also liked in the past where people would quote a study and Layne would respond "Unfortunately for them I've read the study in question".
I’m a fat person. I’ve lost 200 pounds, so I’m significantly thinner than I was. The pro-fat folk do what they do because fat people have been attacked for ages without any compassion. I understand them, but I don’t agree with their methods. I’m fighting to lose my last hundred excess pounds. How did I get that way? It’s my addiction. My mother was an alcoholic. My father molested us. My way of survival is eating carbs. It comforts me. If people would try to understand fat people are just addicts like any other.
Hey, good for you! 200lbs is phenomenal! That's REAL stuff. I'm working on 50, and it's rough. I struggle for every pound, and your story is inspiring! It lets me know I can do it. I lost 60lbs when I was young, but I acquired body dysmorphia in the process. Now, I want to lose, but I want to stay sane doing it, which is why I'm with team Layne. Keep going! It goes slower the better shape you get in, I can tell you that, but we can keep whittling away at it!
I had been a very healthy muscular lean my whole life until my 50s when I became fat but fit - in the “obese” column. Two years ago my Doc said my bloodwork was fine but “on the edge of pre-diabetic”. That was a huge wake up call. With exercise + calorie deficit I am now 40 lbs down with 20 left to get to my previous weight. Blood pressure down, RHR down, HRV up, bloodwork excellent. I am walking proof that losing weight = better health. TY for all you do, Layne…It is important work 👍
Im not someone who will fat shame others. I've struggled with weight myself. I've been through the cycle of losing weight, gaining it right back, giving up, then repeating the cycle. So I know how hard it is so I wouldn't shame anyone else going through that struggle. Plus it's not my place to tell anyone how they should live. But that being said lets not kid ourselves and pretend that it's not unhealthy to be overweight. There's a reason you never see elderly obese people.
Be supportive, understanding and empathetic, fat shaming makes things worse just so people can feel superior 🤷♂️ If somebody is suffering, we should either try to help them or at least not make shit worse
I was waiting for you to get your hands on this....Hardly fat shaming, just a reality check she needed. We cannot let people normalise dangerous lies - taking research and making it fit her bias.
I'm glad he tagged her, had a quick glance at her channel and boy oh boy, she is in some serious denial. Was watching one of her older videos about weight stigma and it's just riddled with BS. And this is coming from me, I've been obese for most of my life and I'm currently in a cutting phase, have lost 66 pounds in the past 10 months (was 308 at 6'1). But even I know this is nonsense and pure copium.
@alanlegend6751 yes, it's always good to approach it with a critical eye like you did. I like to do my best to try to understand, but unfortunately, she's just putting out more dangerous advice. Proud of you, Alan, that's a big achievement! You must feel fantastic?
@@AdamScottfit Thanks, I do! I feel so much better looking at myself, my clothes fit now (even some of my older ones that I had to give up wearing), etc. I'm aiming to lose another 40-60, we'll see how that goes. Admittedly, it is hard, I do feel hungry at times and not as energetic as I normally would, sometimes it's hard to sleep, etc. but I have been making steady progress nonetheless and I can tell that every time I yo-yo'ed in the past, it was my fault because I stress ate or was too lazy or whatever. I'm a stickler for the harsh truth, I'm not going to believe stuff just because it makes me feel better about my choices.
@alanlegend6751 great to hear, and that's some important shift in beliefs you've made. I believe you will succeed, change is always hard, but it is worth it. The person you become as you make these shifts will surprise you.
@@AdamScottfit Yeah, and a big part of it for me was changing my perspective of myself. I hope someone else reads this and has the same realisation. The problem with this fat doc is that she identifies as a fat person. I used to do that too. But shifting my view of myself to where I saw myself as someone who wasn't truly obese or even overweight, but someone with a healthy level of fat trapped in an obese body, was a game changer. Don't let it define you or be a part of your identity.
I went on a dreamer bulk during 2015-2018. Ended up at 280lbs, I'm 6'2'' and was very muscular build by that point, but I was definitely carrying quite a fucking lot of excess weight lol. Decided to drop it, got down to a lean 190lbs over the space of like a year. Been sensible with my caloric intake ever since, and guess what? I haven't regained all that weight! Plus my bloodwork is thanking me for it.
Please don't get burnt out on what you're doing. Humans need you to continue doing what you're doing. It's "your calling." Very grateful for your service
i wouldn't even say "if you're obese, it's YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to lose weight". that still puts too much pressure on the individual. the message should be "if you're obese, just know that losing weight in a psychologically sustainable way is usually possible".
I struggled with obesity for 20 years, fad diets always started and failed. Finally in fall of 2017 I got serious with tracking my macros and working out…lost 100+ lbs and have kept it off!! Now compete as a Figure competitor 💪😜
One of the things she’s actually correct about is her criticism of the scammy weight loss industry. There’s no shortage of terrible supplements, as seen on tv exercise equipment, millions of diet books, predatory gym contracts, etc. They supply misinformation and take advantage of people’s insecurity and ignorance. The large portion of the weight loss industry that’s made of of scams should be criticized.
But those aren't the things she's criticising, though. Her point is that dieting is harmful on the whole, so anything relating to dieting is a scam. It's a completely different, dangerous argument.
I was 380 lbs in 2020. I was a healthy fat person. All my health markers were good. Over the next two years I changed my habits and lost 150 lbs. Its 2023 and I kept it off. How did I do it? Counted calories and walked 15k steps a day.
Sorry but being 380lbs is not healthy whatever your blood tests were. There are so many negative effects of this mass on the body… it’s not just about bloodwork !!!
People may accuse you of fatphobia but you’re actually quite empathetic in this video. An obese person hearing the RCT-based facts you’ve laid out then hearing “it may not be your fault but it is your responsibility” is probably one of the most conscientious things you could say to them
something i hate so much is how prominent voices draw conclusions or draw causal relationships, and then say things with a LOT of authority. I feel so embarrassed to admit it but i HAVE in the past bought into misinformation regarding health/nutrition, because of some random conclusions that someone on the internet is stating. it's so easy as consumers of content to pattern match our life experiences to what's being said by a person with influence on the internet, because a lot of time we have our own life stressors and we just want *answers* to our concerns - especially something as serious as health. i think the way i thought of it was literally like, these people have such a huge following - how could they possibly be saying something that's just grossly incorrect? whether it's a popular influencer or a quirky internet conspiracy theorist i'm learning to take information with a grain of salt. i understand this woman's point about fatphobia and diet culture, and that i totally agree with. i wish people knew how to separate out sociology/emotional well being phenomena - which are COMPLETELY valid - from making extrapolations about everyone's physiology or biology. i initially felt resistant to Dr. Norton's very direct way of speaking because as a person i'm very "fluffy" emotionally and love to have self care practices that are more for my own fun/happiness and not necessarily about science or logic, but i actually feel so grateful for it, because i'm getting suuuch a better understanding of how flawed influencer/internet figure culture is for health and nutrition. in all honesty it reminds me, to a lesser degree, of religious figures in India who give crazy advice to people who are suffering from some horrible life circumstance which involves some ridiculous act to proclaim their devotion - very self serving and dogmatic, and so disconnected from the dense reality of what people have to go through.
I was basically 300lbs when I started my weight loss journey and boy have a learned much, it’s been up and down journey. I tried shortcuts, fad diets, etc. guess what worked and got me the most visual changes and internal changes? A clean healthy diet filled with good carbs, proteins and fats. Sitting sexy at 189 still need to get leaner but we making gigga prog now 💪🏽! Edit: a clean diet and exercise both cardio and resistance training, hypertrophy training to be specific!
People love to listen to lies that make them feel good about themselves. That's why she has a platform and followers. It's the same principles that scammers use.
What she preaches is truly dangerous because it makes people a) feel hopeless or b) not want to change. I have had two major weight losses in my life. It is a struggle. But I know what is healthy vs. aesthetic and to pretend there is no difference is literal malpractice.
After a couple of decades of paying very little attention to my weight, I went on a weight loss program (calorie monitoring and exercise) a few years ago, and went from 275 to 177. I stopped the monitoring / exercising as my priorties changed and some how I got back up to 260(?). On May 1 of this year, I restarted my program and I'm currently at 195 and losing at exactly the rate that my program calculated. I realize that this is anecdotal and all, but I kind of get the feeling that when I do the math and pay attention to my diet and exercise, I lose weight. But, when I'm not paying attention I gain weight. It's almost like there's some sort of mysterious, mystical, magic is at work??
Anyone who has meticulously tracked their exercise and calories will know that it's 1:1. I went from 250lbs to 165lbs by running and calorie deficit. I'm back to 215lbs after a year of training in the gym. Why am I heavier? Because I completely gave up on my 1600 calorie/day diet and now eat like 3000 and am focused on strength and muscle. You want weight to fall off? Stop eating. Simple physics.
Good job Layne, I appreciate your content, we must stoke the fire for better health every day. Heck, I've exercised most every day of my life since I was 6 or so and I'm 63 as of today. Exercise, eating healthy, spiritual conditioning & sleep hygiene are my main goals one day at a time. Peace to you and all of us for carrying the torch!!!
2 months into a meal plan and regular exercise seeing results in weight and strength is as addicting as the garbage I was eating and pumping into my veins! Shout out to the long term goals and consistency, if my lazy ass can do it you can too! Start with small good decisions
She's referring to Stunkard's study done in 1959, which author himself said is not relevant to state of the art weight loss methods, as patients were just given a plan to lose weight and sent back home, with litttle effort to ensure adherence. Oh, and he said so in 1999... For sustainable approaches to weight loss, see National Weight Control Registry.
Man... Everytime i read "ramdomized control trials" a listen inside my head Layne's voice. 🤣 I'm currently in a bad bodyshape, but it is my total responsability because i'm eating a bad diet. I don't spread lies to justifie my bad bodyshape.
Ah yes, I'm in the very fortunate "fat but fit" camp at age 40. However, I'm not delusional, I'm fully aware that it's temporary, but hopefully it's bought me enough time to avoid the worst health outcomes, now that I've lost a significant amount of fat. Currently doing my third cut after a muscle building phase, and oh my god, it's coming off fast this time. Dieting is a skill that can be improved. If you fail, try again, you'll learn how your body and hunger signals work.
The way I see it, it's cool if you're fat and you want to stay fat because you prefer living that way or how it feels, not having to worry about how much you eat and so on. But do it by considering the pros and cons and acknowledging that there are cons.
I'm in that category too, at a similar age. I do high intensity exercise 5 times a week plus zone 2 cardio, and I watch what I eat, lots of fiber in the form of fruit and veg, lots of lean protein, etc. I do however eat at maintenance. I hate having my energy levels suffer while restricting calories. It makes for sucky workouts. I'm not a body builder, and I don't work out that way. I do need to drop about 45 lbs before I get too old though...save the knees and the heart.
The weight loss industry making money of me losing weight? I lost about 20 pounds over the past year. Actually I think the supermarket and and food companies have actually made less money on me, since I eat more veggies and less processed food now. But the diet industry got no money what-so-ever...
I’m 80 years old, and have lost 120 lbs. over the past 20 years. After losing the first 40 lbs., I would start gaining it back, until I cut down sharply on starchy carbs and practiced I/F. Then the pounds melted away, and stayed away. I’m no longer on statins or bp meds. My A1C is 4.9, and my BMI is ideal. I’ve had no problems keeping the weight off since I adopted my new way of eating, and I never go to bed hungry. Healthy eating is satisfying. 😋 I never count calories either. The only downside is that 2/3 of my clothes are 8 sizes too big.😄
Social media isn't kind to balanced, common sense messaging. It wants to push people like Layne into extremes. Glad he's fighting the good fight in this arena.
In 2020, I ate one meal a day for about a month and a half and lost 29 pounds because I went from three meals a day to 1 meal a day and no snacking. Then I started basic resistance training for a bout two months and moved onto general strength training for about another two to three months, while eating 3 smaller meals made of whole foods and supplementing whey protein shakes daily, and I gained about 10 lbs over that time. Then over the course of two years I slowly increased the amount of food I eat daily and periodized my training to develop my speed and power in addition to my strength and I gained another 15-20 lbs, but my body fat percentage is lower than it was at the beginning of 2020. Point is: everytime my calories/day go up I have gained weight, and everytime my calories/day have gone down I lose weight.
I dropped 28 pounds eight years ago. Yes, I bounce up and down a few pounds but I have never gone back to where I was. I changed my life, took up running and eat more protein which keeps me from the mindless snacking.
I was 212 (resistance training/cardio 5 times a week) and walking several miles a day (on deployment) when I was first diagnosed with NASH. The weight gain came after when I returned from deployment and had to quit exercising for six months due to injury. My point here is that it's not necessarily weight gain that results in bad blood markers and I haven't seen anything that shows whether metabolic syndrome causes the weight gain or vice versa. I'm thinking most people don't go in to get tested until the weight gain has already begun.
Thank you Layne. I feel like this sort of thing is a fundamental aspect of human psychology, where we look for a belief in spite of all information to the contrary, in order to feel like the answer is "I am not in control; the other thing has the power over me." Seems to happen a lot in humans.
It's really sad to see someone who has basically given un on being healthy and has looked for a reason to justify their obesity. They are basically blaming genétics and society for their failure
WOW this dr is sooo bad! Look I've struggled with weight but it's 100% from the intake. We are terrible at keeping a tally or total of the number of calories epically when it comes to highly palatable and high energy dense food. Not only is it hard to keep track but it's hard to not make ourselves feel better about it. There's comfort food and then there are the times where we feel we did something good so we deserve a reward. The problem with those are they are a break in the habit and you don't keep track of the extra calories and they just add up. This speaks directly to the adherence point
Oh boy I Wish there was nothing we could do - Then I'd keep my life of junk food and on-line gaming all day long. There's plenty most of us initially don't Want to do. But the math checks out. Even now at 42. Started on this hopefully my last journey down to 70 kg back in December, took the slow and steady train. Minimal to no diet fatigue, 27 kg down, 15 more to go. I miss junk food sometimes. But realized it doesn't taste as dreamy anymore last time I ordered some? I'm actully feeling a lot better eating right - physically - mentally too, since the work pays off. It's a new life, but I like my new life of intake tracking and gym pants :)
I’ve spent years running 5k every day (that’s five thousand miles btw), eating only a single small lettuce leaf each day. I am now so overweight the scale just says, “Over 9,000!!!” Finally a serious and respectable medical practitioner is telling the world my story.
You know exactly what she would say to those that keep the weight off, "They have developed an eating disorder". That is always the way fat activists put it, because to them any sort of restriction of intake is a disorder.
When I was on whole foods plant based diet, I gained 40lbs, but I'm under no illusion that I wasn't hypercaloric. I couldn't stop eating. The surprising part of that diet was that my lipid panel went completely out of control. Lipid panel control was the whole point of going on the diet.
If you are doing it for fat loss, then cut out the fats and oils, look up calorie density and Dr. Mcdougall s way of eating. Also if you were dieting b4 this, you ll definitely put on weight until the body regains all that it needs and trusts you to keep it that way, and after it gets back to losing as needed, Hope that helps you.
@@vonclare1 Thanks for the tips, but I was on the diet for 2 years, and it was low fat. I was following Dr. McDougal and Dr. Greger at the time. I've never been so hangry in all my life. I couldn't go 3 hours without stuffing my face with more food, all the while telling myself that since it's WFPB, I can't go wrong. I was willing to battle the weight gain with exercise, but the lipid panel I wasn't willing to compromise on. Trigs went from 50 to 500 mg/dL and LDL-C highest in my life. Had to abandon.
@@kinpatu Oh nooo. Triglycerides 500? What happened? So sorry. Never heard of that, were u eating constantly? I eat twice a day and loads of it(thats how I make it on WFPB now) I don't do single plates like i did years back, always hungry,😆.
When I gain weight my feet hurt, my lower back hurts, and my knees hurt. My body lets me know it does not like to carry that extra 15 to 20 pounds of weight. I can only speak for myself.
I've lost 75lbs over the years and kept it off! And in my sixtes I workout daily and thanks to this channel and others I continue to improve! But the reality is it's fucking hard and takes dedication! Quit whining and get to work! The juice IS worth the squeeze!
The ONLY THING that is obvious from fatdoctoruk's message is that she has had a horrible past and is struggling to cope (psychologically) with her past. Her message has NOTHING to do with helping other people. I can empathize with her and wish her luck and healing. Before you can help others, you must heal yourself.
People much rather hear there is nothing they can do about a problem and can continue down their comfort zone rather than being given a solution that requires work.Im trying to convince family members for very simple dietary/life style changes that would drastically increase their life quality. All I hear in return is "that won't work" rather than "I don't want to do this".The clear conscious so it is outside their responsibility/ability is far more important for them than the actual results. You can see it in every aspect of life, not just diet/health. Sad but true. And we are only going further and further down this mindset.
Would they be willing to try one of the diet coaching apps? You might set them up with one and just ask them to track without changing anything else about their diet or exercise habits... you know, just for fun. Maybe that could be the spark that starts them on the journey?
That woman hates herself, and is really just trying to build a “community” around herself so she can mitigate some of that self-hatred. As someone who used to be 302lbs in 2015, I can say with full confidence that being 170lbs is a much healthier weight and can be sustainable. I no longer have hypertension, I no longer have pre-diabetes, and my joints and heart operate a lot more efficiently. These ailments didn’t magically go away.
Something i think should talked about more is the link between trama and obesity. Its no wonder people cant maintain a healthy lifestyle when their perceptions and tramua prevents drags them down. Fix your mind and then you can fix your body. I personally think you need something to give you that momentum first A really interesting book i recently read which touched on this is the "the body keeps the score"
It's hard to grasp that people like that even exist and really mean what they say. Literally helping people slowly kill themselves. People who are desperate, people who have challenges, people who need actual help so they can live a better and longer life that goes way beyond weight loss and physical health.
"yeah.....i lost weight by watching what i eat, then i ate normal again.....which lead to me being overweight in the first place and now i gained all that weight i lost due to watching what i ate back.....whats up with that?"
I did strict keto for a year 7 or 8 years ago and stabilised around 70 kilos and got a lot healthy. Today I am about 70 kilos. Life can get in the way but I just cut back carbs if needed.
The reason the health ill-health markers don't show up in standard blood work is because the standard blood panel (by design?) leaves out most of the relevant markers that would indicate increasing metabolic derangement. Adding Insulin alone, for example, could then be compared to fasting glucose to calculate a person's HOMA-IR score which is an incredibly accurate (read: predictive) biomarker test for Insulin Resistance which is the primary underlying metabolic disease linked and at the forefront of just about all other downstream diseases including obesity, T2D, Dementia, Heart Disease, Stroke and the list goes on and on and on. Why don't doctors and insurance demand that a few extra basic markers get tested as standard? Simple. There's not drug or surgical intervention that can be sold to patients until they're well into full blown diabetes or other serious metabolic ailments. No money, no play. The simple fix to avoid this metabolic derangement doesn't cost a person anything and therefore is not advocated by the health or pharmaceutical industry; diet and exercise. Specifically avoiding highly processed (junk) foods that spike insulin leading to eventual Insulin Resistance and Hyperinsulinemia. And resistance training to build muscle which increases insulin sensitivity by providing a larger bucket to hold excess glucose and also a hungry group of cells to continue to use any excess glucose dumped into the blood from the inevitable, (seemingly) unavoidable processed food shoved in our faces at every turn.
I do think there is some validity to the 90+% failure rate for weight Loss and people are more likely to gain weight after dieting. You are basically left with the modern conundrum of knowing losing weight has amazing health benefits AND dieting has a high probability of failure leading to more weight gain, which means most people would probably be healthier if they never went on a diet. That is why there would probably be better overall health outcomes if we focused increasing activity levels, more access to healthcare to fix underlying problems and food quality (cooking skills, food deserts, price of healthy option etc.) rather than telling someone to lose weight and diet.
I understand that people over rotate on shaming fat people and ignore their complaints and overlook how ill thin people might be. But just look at the skeletal system. Extra weight can’t be good on your joints as you age. Immobility can’t be good. All of that has to complicate the inevitable things that start happening where you need a surgery for something (some of that just happens as you age).
The person who does not want to lose weight is creating a brand telling people dieting is nonsense to justify her decision to not lose weight….brilliant
Whether it’s the workout, the diet, or otherwise. far too many people are unwilling to get a little uncomfortable to affect a change. Instead, they cry into their Oreos about how hard everything is. They get a tiny bit hungry and act like they’re on the verge of passing out; they get a tiny bit sore from a workout and quit because they’re convinced they tore all of their muscles… 🙄
