People like to throw around "gaslighting" a lot, but wow this is next level. All of ESPN acting like they have no media influence. And insisting they don't benefit from the matchups that are on their Network. Its insulting 🙄
This! Cry me a river KH… spend weeks pounding the pulpit that Alabama should be in over FSU if they beat Georgia and then wants to cry because nobody in Tallahassee is going to be happy to see ESPN game day much less KH ANYTIME soon… but I can’t imagine he should care
ESPN is being disgusting. They are acting like victims because people are pointing out their bias and corruption. They did the crime and they should take the punishment.
Toledo Coach then was a Guy named Frank Lautenbur who eventually went to Iowa IIRC. Something that might've been just as incredible was the run that Miami of Ohio had in The Seventies with three straight victories in The Tangerine Bowl over then current or eventual SEC Foes in Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina. The Tangerine Bowl in Orlando is no more having been rebranded as an SEC Showcase named The Citrus Bowl. And Deja Vu to 2023 wasn't Toledo undefeated throughout much of the year? The Rockets QB back in 1971 was an impressive young thrower named Chuck Ealey.🤔🚀🏈B.W.
Herby is lying, they showed on college football game day ,how they were going to set everything up. That was in early november. They already knew they were going to screw Florida State. Sooo if a player gets injured, what they are saying is, that team is automatically disqualified.
@@perfectblindguy crying? You don’t know how to read a room. We’re pissed and obviously not going to take the SEC/ESPN COLLUSION lying down. FSU earned a spot in the CFP on the field. The SEC got a team in based upon under-the-table, behind the scenes lobbying and glad-handing. Your diaper must be on your head because what you keep spewing smells like baby $hit.
Disney/ESPN/CFP nefarious plan: 1. To support the ESPN claim that two teams with 1 LOSS is a better optics than a 13-0 team. 2. If Georgia beats FSU them it will support the Disney/ESPN/CFP selection for the playoff. 3. Does the $3 BILLION SEC TV deal has anything to do the decision to let the 1 LOSS Alabama into the playoff? Slightly CORRUPTED you think?
Damage control - but they will still make a lot of money - they've just hurt the credibility of college ball. Playing the game doesn't matter - style points and being in the SEC matters.
I'm not even an FSU fan and Kirk if full of sh"t. ESPN absolutely has an impact on how the committee voted. If they would of helped with backing up FSU they would of had a much better shot at getting in. But ESPN and the committee changed the lingo to "best" instead and not "most deserving" so they get the right team in for ratings. If Alabama lost there QB they still get in.
@zippy3984 If it were Alabama in FSU's position Alabama would be in. That's not projecting. Those are facts, and even you know that. Kirk has been saying FSU is going to get the boot even before their QB got injured. You can look it up right here on RU-vid. Whether the committee lets outsiders influence them or not it's biased. Probably because of ratings if I had to guess.
Because 13-0 doesn’t make you “better” UCF was 13-0 they didn’t get in, you say well they weren’t power 5, Alabama SOS was 5th and played 5 top 25 teams, FsU SOS is 55th and played 3, there conference isn’t that good so I’m not surprised
@@jaxongriffith5321FSU beat 2 SEC teams, including LSU which has the best offense in the conference. They did everything they had to do and then the goal posts were moved at the last minute.
@@ryanpduffy They play Florida every year, the goal post wasn’t moved it’s just there we’re more then 4 teams that’s were good enough to make it and didn’t have two losses no matter who got put in someone would have gotten “screwed” they followed there protocol when comparing teams in terms of conference championship, strength of schedule, similar opponents, and external factors and players and FsU for the short straw you hate it for them but I would have chose bama to in a blind resume and i think many people would as well
Kirk is completely missing the point. He was one of the main reasons the whole narrative was curated about FSU being left out of the playoff to begin with… you can’t tell me that didn’t have an effect on the committee’s decision.
Kirk did not miss the point. He is the spoke person for the corrupted Disney/ESPN/CFP. Does the $3 BILLION SEC TV deal has anything to do the decision to let the 1 LOSS Alabama into the playoff? Slightly CORRUPTED you think?
@@knighthawks97 exactly. ESPN owns rights to all of the media coverage for the playoff. The committee’s watching these games while most of the personalities at ESPN are commentating these games dragging on and on about how FSU doesn’t deserves to be in.
Disney/ESPN's $3 BILLION contract with SEC will determine that a SECX team will be represented no matter what. Even though Michigan and Washington has the same credential...undefeated and conference champion like FSU.
Ding ding - exactly. Great narrative playing right now. All these guys know who signs their checks. Their not going to stand up for this unless directed to do so by ESPN, so they don't look biased, working off a script.
@@j.akelly9775 The ACC Network is sublicensed out. Look at how much money ESPN has invested in the SEC. SEC schools are paid WAY more from ESPN compared to ACC schools. Getting SEC teams into the playoffs makes ESPN more money. It's why they hype up SEC teams to boost their SOS therefore increasing their ratings, viewers, etc. for "bigger" games of ranked opponents. All about the money.
All you need to know is this. If Alabama was 13-0 and won the SEC but Milroe was out for the last two games you know for a fact they would not be left out and that’s unfair
Depends on who bama played considering bama schedule was harder than FSU . And if bama beat Georgia with their back up who was the number 1 team then bama is getting in . I’ll see if Louisville was a top 5 team and they beat them like that then fsu would have been in but they didn’t this was the same Louisville team that got skull drag by Kentucky who also got skull dragged by bama and Georgia it’s not rocket science. Yalll are just putting your feelings into this without looking at the evidence
There’s no reason why an undefeated winner of a power 5 conference should have been left out. Travis getting hurt had no impact on us being able to win. We showed we can win with 3 different qbs on our roster and that’s more impressive than anything bama or Texas did
@@idawg7332 your defense showed you can win your offense didn’t do you really think you would beat Texas , bama , Ohio state, Michigan, Washington, Georgia , Missouri,lsu with no offense . You had to go into triple option to score a touchdown against Louisville come on man
QB hurt was the excuse they wanted to use. Having said that the SOS, winner of SEC Championship, and beating the number 1 team in the country tends to put you in the playoffs.
Yes if UGA won, FSU is in and everything would have been fine. When Alabama won, they had to take Texas at #3 and Bama #4, the only way it would work. Also the SEC commissioner had to sell it by saying one of these is not like the other.
exactly. and kirk and fellow talking heads pushed that narrative all week leading up to the committee decision. they opened the door for the committee's rigged decision. and then afterwards, they congratulated the committee for following their narrative. sick
the way he keeps gesticulating and animating, moving his hands and fidgeting with the handpiece..... he is nervous and neurotic and his eyes and body language can't hide it
Does the $3 BILLION SEC TV deal has anything to do the decision to let the 1 LOSS Alabama into the playoff? Slightly CORRUPTED you think? And Kirk is their spokesperson. That is why he was nervous.
Clemson grad here. Definitely NOT a Noles fan. But I completely agree. If FSU puts out a national champions shirt. I’ll buy it, even if it’s FSU colors. Never seen a travesty of injustice like that in sports.
Your Seminoles won in an easy conference with the easiest in conference schedule in the entire conference. They barely squeaked by most of their games against DECENT not good teams then lost their entire offense. A championship is won not EARNED. And everyone with a quarter of a functional brain knew and knows that they would get blown out against any of the teams currently in the top 4. They'll get blown out by a Georgia team easily
Yes the cluster FSU should have been in with was Washington and Michigan NOT Texas or Alabama. And the reason people are hating on Kirk is that he was grandstanding for FSU to be left out for weeks. Even before Jordan Travis was hurt. Also, the Orange Bowl is lose-lose for FSU. If they win it will be "well UGA wasn't at full strength" and if they lose it will be "see they didn't belong".
@@notpoliticaljustarealist3969 I was not implying Texas to be out. In the video he mentions FSU being "clustered" with Texas and Alabama. My point was FSU should have been considered against Washington and Michigan only, not the two one loss teams. It should have been Mich, Wash, FSU, and Texas.
"There's no conspiracy to keep FSU out" True. Its a conspiracy to keep the SEC in. "Cluster of teams" That’s where the corruption comes in. FSU should never have been in that cluster. Three undefeated teams were the cluster that was in, and then all the one loss teams fighting for the last spot. Quit pissing on me and saying it's raining.
And it kills me how the argument is always the SEC is the best conference (which I’m not disputing) so that’s why teams like Bama and Georgia can get away with easy non conference schedules. But when a team like FSU beats two SEC teams now all of a sudden we wanna critique which SEC teams they played 😂.
By that logic, Liberty would be in that undefeated cluster of teams and in the playoff. The reason that they are not is because SOS matters. It’s not a hard concept
@@Wildcats28100 NICE TRY: The SEC is 7-9 vs P5 non conference this year. Historically they are a tough league, but this year they aren't. ACC is 6-4 vs SEC by an average of 14 points per victory. ACC has 2 wins over ND ACC has a winning record vs Big10 The ACC beat each other up and the lazy talking heads decided that means the league is bad, when objectively, it was by far the best league vs other P5 schools, and it's not even close.
My only problem with the committee and the decision to leave Florida State out is if losing Jordan Travis was the deciding factor, why didn't you drop them to number six or seven after he was injured instead of leaving them at number four all this time?. If they were at 6 or 7 and finished at 5 after championship weekend it would be more understandable but they didn't. They left them at 4 even though they lost their starting quarterback and backup quarterback and didn't look good the previous two weeks. That's my problem..
I'll answer that for you. The left them at number 4 to give them a chance to prove that their team wouldn't have the major drop off without Travis. Unfortunately, they did have a major drop off and at times even looked inept against Louisville. If they played like Ohio St. did years ago with their 3rd string QB, the committee would have had a much tougher decision.
Cincinnati made the playoffs in 21' but an undefeated FSU out of a P5 conference is left out? It just seems wrong. I saw an Oklahoma team shut down FSU in 2000 with no offense. Just saying anything can happen when you step on that field, going undefeated inspite of should stand for something and FSU defense is elite.
@@mrmrsplummer3526 Cincinnati made it in that year because there wasn't anyone else with a win/loss record and of quality that was in reason to get in. You saw an Oklahoma team shut down FSU in 2000, but neither team going into that game was seen as deficient or inept on offense or missing their starting QB. You're conveniently leaving out these details. And not all undefeated records are created equal, but if FSU had just looked halfway decent against Louisville, they wouldn't have this problem.
@@JB-tp6uj I get it but that's just not a football players take, it's a suits take. Games are decided on the field and will always be, everything else is for money and eyeballs. injuries are part of the game and rosters are built for the next man up mentality that's why there's 85 on scholly. How it looks shouldn't matter if you find ways to win, there's 3 phases..
@@mrmrsplummer3526 Style points and how you win have always mattered. Long before the playoffs got started...even long before the BCS when style points often influenced who the media crowned as a national champion. Unfortunately, the ACC did no favors to Florida St. and that championship game did even less to help their cause.
"Kirk has no say" as if Kirk banging the drum for FSU being left out the past two weeks had zero impact on the members of the selection committee... gimme a break! It doesn't matter if ESPN owns the ACC network, SEC and Alabama are their biggest college football brands! The committee moved the goal posts bc they wanted the matchup of Saban v Harbaugh. They chose SEC bias and ratings over the team that earned it on the field. Plain and simple.
@@noahburns9565 @shitheadith I never said Bama SHOULDNT have gotten in the playoff. There is a strong argument that they should have made the playoff, just not over an undefeated P5 team with a better strength of record.
@davidashton1305 if Louisville had beat Kentucky that most likely would've pushed Florida st in. But they laid an egg. Then Florida st struggled with Louisville more so than Kentucky did.
@@shiTheadith with a 3rd string QB who would not have started in the playoff (the backup was in concussion protocol). Also, if that was the deciding factor, why is Bama winning on a Hail Mary to 6-6 Auburn not weighed against them equally? IMO the fact that FSU found a way to win with the 3rd strong QB is a testament to the strength of their TEAM.
No one is saying Herbstreit decided. HERBSTREIT SOLD THE DECISION. He and Rece were already selling this before the decision was supposedly made. Joe ON THE GAME BROADCAST spent the entire ACC championship game downplaying FSU and ignoring the defensive clinic that was being put on. ESPN has a $3 Billion dollar relationship with the SEC. To pretend ESPN was not supporting IN EVERY WAY the exclusion of FSU to guarantee the SEC's seat at the table is asinine. If what you say is true about Travis' injury being part of the selection criteria, then just name one other team in the history of the CFP that this has happened to.
It's more so about the wins than the loses, Michigan beat Ohio st, Washington beat Oregon, Texas beat Bama, Bama beat Georgia. Who did Florida st or Georgia beat that would make them worthy?
It's very simple. Not all schedules are created equal. FSU had the 55th ranked strength of schedule while Bama had the 5th ranked strength of schedule. Having just 1 loss with a significantly harder schedule is much more impressive than being undefeated against a bunch of cupcakes. FSUs best win is Bamas 3rd best win which is LSU.
@@simplerick256ok so now I ask u why would he have FSU out if Travis is not hurt ? Listen to him he loves everything about FSU . He loves them so much that had it been up to him he would have screwed us over as an undefeated with Travis ? With friends like that who needs enemies.
@marquesthouston310 bruh, it was just an opinion. When people have opinions, we should agree or disagree and move on. Yall act like he destroyed your world because he has an opinion different from yall. Smh
@@simplerick256 the only reason Im responding to you is because you addressed this but who makes an opinion based on nothing. Everyone has opinion and we typically give our reason why we feel the way we feel . I ain’t making this that deep but let’s be honest this ain’t about them being anti FSU but they dam sure are pro SEC . Do you really believe had FSU had Travis they were going to drop Alabama from the CFP ? No one believes that and if you do you’re obviously naive. No one believes that no way no how does the SEC get left out .
@@marquesthouston310 Not that this will be received well. But Kirk was not the only one of this opinion. Some of the reasoning behind it is that different people have different valuations when grading these things. For some...like me. I reject the notion of a P5. These conferences are not equal year to year. And being undefeated is not the be all to me. Not when comparing schedules that have this much disparity between them. Some schedules are easier to do that with than others. For me FSU did not get tested at the highest levels of play. Not one on their schedule is a top 10 team or even close to it. Bama had to play 2. 1 in and 1 out of conference. LSU is in rebuild and none of the other ACC teams made the grade. On the other side a traditional grading metric is to basically assume certain teams are good and you only start evaluating them with a microscope when the lose. So if you never lose, no one can ever question your resume. I don't agree with that, never have. My biggest disappointment with the committee is that they have allowed this holdover thinking from the AP/coaches poll era to continue. They also baked this thinking and expectations into their weekly rankings. They wanted teams to bail them out by losing first then they could examine. When it did not happen, they had to release a poll that was more in line with their truest evals. Most of the formula gurus will tell you that the chasm of scheduling differences between team and the continued conference isolation amongst top teams have made comparing schedules with things like SOR and Power Ratings near impossible. Just not enough data points. This is because top teams are avoiding one another in large parts. If I was grading it actually would have low graded Michigan not FSU. Michigan played no out of conference P5 teams and their entire resume is built on the premise that Ohio State and Penn state are good. The biggest win between all of them is Notre Dame....an average team this year at best.
It's interesting how FSU was in the top 4 before the Conference Championship games took place. Then they won their game, while Georgia lost their game. Georgia lost and deservedly they lose their spot in the playoffs. Yet Georgia's loss also took FSU out of the playoffs. How does a top 4 team lose a top 4 spot by winning their final game? Because ESPN says so!?!
In 1993, ONE LOSS FSU was put in BOWL COALITION Natty game against Nebraska INSTEAD OF undefeated 11-0 Auburn and 11-0 undefeated West Virginia. This scenario is not that different: 2 team playoff instead of 4 & one loss FSU was selected over undefeated teams. Thus, this scenario happened in the past & FSU BENEFITED.
What is crazy is that. It was always going to be fsu vs. Georgia. If fsu is not ratings. Why put them against uga in the orange bowl. People better wake up. It's made for Bama to win. And they still will lose Texas by three. National champs
My problem with Kirk was 4 years ago he goes on a famous rant about FSU and how bad our program was (rightfully) and 4 years later we have one of the best cultures in college and fought without our QB only allowed 1 TD in the past two games. Beat a top 15 team with our 3rd QB. And he’s cheerleading for us not to make the playoffs. And yes everyone is at fault for this the ACC, the system, espn everyone bc it’s a popularity contest and not who deserved it. Bama had their playoff game in September at home against a Texas team that they were a 7 point favorite of and they lost. At the end of the day everyone that doesn’t think this matters bc we are going to a 12 team playoff next year just wait. 4 loss SEC teams will get in over a 2 loss ACC teams, better seedlings will go to the big 2 conferences and it’s basically going to be a SEC vs Big 10 invitational.
@@terryfredrick5149 it’s going to be 9 teams made up of SEC and BIG 10 and 2 teams of ACC/Big12 and a g5 if they don’t change it and say a G5 don’t get a bid
Stop cappin'. ESPN went full boar 4 abt 3 weeks comparing FSU to TCU & how they got blown out by UGA. I'm a UGA Fan & no one cared to be equally as loud about how TCU beat Michigan to get to UGA. Y'all helped the Committee reach their decision. Own it.
It's simple math. The 4 teams picked already have a win over a top 8 team. Michigan beat Ohio st, Washington beat Oregon, Texas beat Bama, Bama bet Georgia.
Definitely. I'm a GT fan, and in the Paul Johnson days we ruined FSU's seasons several times. I am 100% on FSUs side here, any logical person has to be.
In 1993, ONE LOSS FSU was put in BOWL COALITION Natty game against Nebraska INSTEAD OF undefeated 11-0 Auburn and 11-0 undefeated West Virginia. This scenario is not that different: 2 team playoff instead of 4 & one loss FSU was selected over undefeated teams. Thus, this scenario happened in the past & FSU BENEFITED.
No, I’m sure they know that but it’s a much safer narrative to push and if you say it enough times, maybe people will believe it. Just like the BS they did with their rankings and justifications
@@griftinggamer No. Bama had a tougher schedule and Bama beat UGA...Bama had a better resume.FSU plays in a weaker conference. The ACC is such a joke that they all are leaving the ACC. And FSU lost to jacksonville st.
It’s not anti FSU it was just pro SEC. FSU just got caught in the crosshairs. God forbid we have a playoff without an SEC team in a year when they were down. But we have no problem with years when the SEC had two teams in the playoff. Had UGA beat Bama it would have been Georgia, Michigan, Washington, FSU.
In 1993, ONE LOSS FSU was put in BOWL COALITION Natty game against Nebraska INSTEAD OF undefeated 11-0 Auburn and 11-0 undefeated West Virginia. This scenario is not that different: 2 team playoff instead of 4 & one loss FSU was selected over undefeated teams. Thus, this scenario happened in the past & FSU BENEFITED.
@@perfectblindguy the SEC began the season collectively overrated. As usual. The mantra all year for objective commentators was “GA isn’t nearly strong as the past 2 teams.” But still, Ohio State loses and GA is right back to number one. The SEC bias will persist as long as ES-pee in has the most authoritative voice in EVERY room. They have billions $$$ of reasons why…the shift will happen sooner rather than later Wait for it…it’s coming.
What's more confusing is how Georgia fell from #1 to #6 for losing one of its last 29 games to a playoff team and Ohio State falls from #2 to #7 for losing to the #1 team.
Ohio State fell from 2 to 5, they didn’t play conference title weekend so they were getting jumped if Bama and Texas both won, which they did. Georgia was not getting in over Bama, you can’t discredit Bamas win. Same applies for Texas, who beat Bama.
@@crimsonkings205i think people are getting mad at bama for no reason, it’s not their fault they made the playoff, ppl can’t say bama isn’t a top 4 team when they are they just beat number 1
FSU is 13-0 Power5 Conference Champion like Michigan and Washington. The Sesame Place noise is just that, noise with subjective opinions. The game is played on the field for 60 mins and not through broadcasters or a smoky filled basement. The correct and rightful order: Mich, Wash, FSU then the rest. The 2023 playoff will always be a consolation game without FSU. Thank you ESPN for degrading the integrity of the game with $$$$$ greed.
It should’ve been the 3 undefeated teams and then decide on the 1 loss teams. That is the only thing that makes any sense. An undefeated season beats a 1 loss season anywhere anytime. Alabama almost lost to Auburn, Georgia lost with their 2 best receivers out. Shouldn’t that help Georgias case if players being hurt matters?
I wonder if you'll keep that same energy when a Big 12 team goes undefeated next year by beating BYU, UCF, and Baylor and tell me they automatically should be ranked over a 1 loss Georgia who has to play Bama(probably twice), Texas, Clemson, Ole Miss, Tennessee, etc. I mean it's a P5 conference and undefeated beats 1 loss right? So let's just always remember to do that and not apply any logic of who played who, lets just sort records. That make sense? Or does it just make sense one year when it helps your team?
@@jarradrice5455 you still have to rank teams, what are you talking about? The logic you want to use to rank teams still matters because it is the difference between a bye week, or having to play and losing a game the first Rd. You don't get to pick which way you want to rank only when it benefits your team
@@kcbandit6948 LOL. The SEC is so overrated. Please stop sucking your own peepee already. Ole Miss, Tennessee, Missouri and LSU are so overrated and have inflated records from playing the rest of the mediocre and bottom feeders that make up the rest of the conference. Tennessee beat absolutely no one and bottom feeds, and was ranked in the top 25 after 4 loses is a joke. Georgia and Alabama are always the best teams and get to inflate their resumes when they beat up the rest of the overrated SEC. Alabama played 2 out of conference games - they lost to Texas by 10 at home and barely beat USF. Georgia didn't even play anyone. LSU and Alabama were the only schools that scheduled a tough out of conference games. That's why the ACC had a better head to head record and the SEC had a losing record against the rest of the conferences because the conference is overrated.
@@kcbandit6948You must not know how terrible the SEC east is. UGA SOS was lower than FSU before they played Bama. Even the SEC West was down this year. The SEC is just UGA, Bama and everyone else.
Herbstreit was caught on live camera celebrating like a little girl when Bama pulled off that miracle play against Auburn. His words and his actions speak for itself
I like how they always bring up Louisville but never the fact it was a 3rd string quarterback that wouldnt be the starter in the playoff. Every clip you see they never mention that, just the performance.
Why don't you blame Norvell? He allowed JT to play in a meaningless game and then JT got injured. That shows you that Norvell is a dumb coach. Norvell screwed the noles.
@@perfectblindguy that comment is useless as well. Name one college football coach that just starts their second string quarterback with an undefeated season on the line and college football playoff aspirations? Absolutely none. Name one coach that just starts their second string QB? I'll wait!. None they all start their starter until the game is under control then throw their second stringer in their. Because the game counts no matter who it is. Lol. Use your head and blame yourself for that comment and thought process! 😂
Only if you use logics and respect the integrity of the game. Unfortunately Disney/ESPN's $3 BILLION deal with SEC precludes that. Slightly corrupted you think? And Kirk is their spokesperson.
@@fredrobbins0604 CONCLUSION: In 1993, UNDEFEATED 11-0 West Virginia should have played Nebraska for the Natty INSTEAD OF ONE LOSS FSU, according to HYPOCRITICAL FSU fans today!
@@BBean1 also, it’s much harder when there is only two teams able to play, now that there is 4 teams there is no way a undefeated power 5 team should be left out . Espns own metric had our resume at 3rd best. The ap poll has us 3rd, the Bcs computer has us 3, the coaches poll has us 3, only the playoff has us 4 , and it’s all for money
Intellectually dishonest conversation. Let's not mention that FSU beat a top 15 team in the conference championship by multiple possession with a 3rd string QB AND would also be getting their 2nd string QB and their best DT (that hasn't played all season bc of another dumb rule) to add to an already dominant defense. Clown show
What really frustrates me as a UGA fan is the harm this decision does to FSU and the ACC long-term. This decision tells every college recruit which is the best program to get into if they want to compete for a national championship. The long-term negative effects to the sport of college football far exceed any ratings win they get this year.
Tbh I would think in todays world kids are more motivated by NIL and their NFL chances than winning championships….FSU will be fine if anything it’ll motivate Norvell more.
This is complete BS, Kirk had FSU OUT of the playoffs even before the Travis injury…. So nobody’s gonna buy it when he now keeps using the Travis excuse over and over…..the TEAM went 13-0 not the quarterback!
Okay? Georgia destroyed Florida and FSU barely beat them. Alabama destroyed Kentucky and Kentucky destroyed Florida. FSU's best win was Bama's 3rd best win.
Herbie is the biggest two face in college football. He would go onto your local radio station to hype up your team then goes on TV to trash your team. Biggest tool out there 🔧
@@jonathanhouser8194not just the ACC. & regardless, next year when there is the 12 team playoff, there are still going to be no to be teams that get fucked over.
To answer Pat who said ESPN own's the ACC network so there's no reason for them to want Alabama. But, you're leaving out the obvious fact that ESPN also owns the SEC Network. So you can't be selective with your information you're providing. I love Pat but he can't be selective with what he is saying now that he works for ESPN.
His point went clear over your head apparently. Everyone knows ESPN has the rights to SEC games but apparently the conspiracy theorist don't realize they have the rights to the ACC as well and so the point Pat was making is that ESPN would benefit the same whether FSU or Bama got in.
@@AK-sq1jlthey ‘could’ benefit the same from FSU or Bama. However, if they believe they could get more viewership with Bama, then they benefit more cause higher views = more money. I would bet that Bama would probably draw in more viewers, so they went Bama.
I think that's the exact point he's trying to make. Everyone has been quick to point out SEC's affiliation with ESPN, but they never mention the ACC's affiliation to both ESPN and the committee.
@@optimysticquestit doesn’t when you’re undefeated in a power 5 conference. ESPN tried to make that the reason and couldn’t, so they used the Jordan Travis injury because they couldn’t justify it clearly
The SEC is 7-9 vs P5 non conference this year. Historically they are a tough league, but this year they aren't. ACC is 6-4 vs SEC by an average of 14 points per victory. ACC has 2 wins over ND ACC has a winning record vs Big10 The ACC beat each other up and the lazy talking heads decided that means the league is bad, when objectively, it was by far the best league vs other P5 schools, and it's not even close.
Why should FSU have to win a 14h time to say look we should have been in the playoffs? They accomplished everything they needed to do by going undefeated in the regular season and then winning their conference.
So did Liberty, read the rules: 2. Strength of schedule ...Alabama 5th , FSU 56th ...H U G E advantage for Alabama ( H U G E advantage Alabama) 5. Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.... FSU is without it's best player and the team has averaged just over 50% of the average yards per game without him (224 & 219 YPG). That's output worse than the 133rd team in the FCS in terms of yards per game. That 133rd ranked team lost to the two ranked teams they played 31-0 and 26-0. FSU can play defense with the best of them but you have to be able to score points. All factors are a wash except for 2 and 5 and FSU is way, way way behind in both.
@@DeRocco21 exactly. Nobody cares unless it's their own team. ACC was subjectively 🗑️ and it was the conference left out. That's what happens when you have 4 spots for 5 conferences.
@@DeRocco21 we’re mad now because they chose this year to do something completely unprecedented and use a bunch of old guys in suits to decide the games that are supposed to happen on a field.
@@crimsonkings205then it means that somehow winning the big 12 by 28 and sec by 3 suddenly made them better than a team without Jordan Travis that won the acc by 10 after they were three spots apart (FSU without JT and Texas). That is a bit sus to me
It's worth mentioning that a lot of backup QB's given a month of preparation could, at minimum, pull off an upset with that defense. I'm just saying Greg McElroy won a 🏆 going 6/11 for 58 yds with a running game and a defense. Wasn't he your starter?
Agreed. Kirck as become the chief propaganda mouth piece for the $$$$$ Disney/ESPN that just signed a $3 BILLION deal with SEC conference. Slightly corrupted you think?
@zippy3984 I have no idea if there was a "conspiracy" against FSU. If there was, KH wouldn't say. If there was JP wouldn't know or say. Pate has become more balanced in his coverage of CFB then when he started, but SEC fans are still the majority of his base.
@zippy3984 The deal between The SEC and ESPN is not a small part of the network's CFB revenue. ESPN probably never sat down with the CFP committee and directly said exclude FSU and make sure an SEC school gets in, but it would certainly be implied and known that that's what they want. And even if some kind of deliberate conspiracy was proven, it wouldn't hurt the ESPN bottom line by their loss of credibility. They've already lost credibility with a large portion of CFB fans. Casual fans don't care and the rest of us are CFB junkies, and ESPN is one of the main providers of the content we need to use. We're tuning in on Saturdays.
@zippy3984 Bama is annually the 2nd or 3rd most watched team in CFB. OSU is number 1, but it would certainly have been a blatant display as a choice merely for higher TV ratings if they were selected this year. And what were the ratings last year with TCU in the championship game as compared to previous years?
They had a chance to actually have a Cinderella story with a team winning a Natty without their QB and leader. Could have been a great story. Not to mention, those kids at FSU got screwed.💯🤷🏻♂️
Who does FSU deserve to be in over? Alabama beat the best team in the nation when no1 could and won the SEC Championship. Texas beat the only team that defeated Georgia within 2 entire season and won their conference Championship. Washington beat Oregon and the potential heisman winner twice in one season. Michigan, like FSU, went undefeated with an arguably tougher schedule and won their conference championship. No major key players are missing from these 4 teams that will severely effect the outcome of a game. Why are FSU fans so entitled to think that winning out their weak schedule was enough to go to the playoffs without their QB when other teams had more adversity to overcome in their schedule? FSU fans thinks that Alabama beating Georgia was nothing and what Georgia accomplished was something common. I'm not impressed with Michigan (TCUs' punching bag) but they have their starter.
@@mattalwayslearning2184 you are correct but that's why we have underdog stories. That one injury effectively ruined it for the rest of the team. It's a bad message to send when we're picking and choosing the final 4, especially since Texas was like the 6th seed before they were magically selected to number 3. It was BS and the only people not admitting are fans of the four that got into the CFP or they're gator or cane fans... that's it 🤷🏻♂️
Herb is tripn.... It's not a cluster of teams to decide from when 1 power 5 is undefeated. He's acting as if they all had 1 loss or were undefeated. No integrity. Just flawed justification for what they think and want. Agree with Pat though. Been saying claim National Champs after you beat back to back champs.
FSU should've been in easily over Texas. The whole "Texas has to be in since they beat Bama" is ridiculous, by that logic Oklahoma should be in too since they beat Texas!
Oklahoma is a two loss team that didn't even contend in their Conference Championship. The reason Texas's win over Bama mattered is because they are a 1 loss Conference Champion in contention for the playoffs.
No, that logic doesn't work because Oklahoma had two losses and weren't a conference champion. FSU's schedule and the ACC weren't good this year. And head to head matters when the two parties have similar resumes.
Yeah, Texas was surprised to get in. You could see they weren't expecting to... hoping for it. But not expecting it. They were surprised that they did after.
Milroe wasn’t benched because of Texas, he was suspended by coach for violating team rules. Wish that would have got more attention in the news but it is a cool story that he was benched for performance and then comes back and makes the playoffs.
What about the argument that the teams have to be COMPARABLE? ‘Bama had their chance to go undefeated and lost, at home. FSU was undefeated so all I’ve been saying is that the because of this the teams are not comparable!!! I don’t understand how it got down to these bylaws.
You notice he said if Michael Penix of Washington got hurt then they might’ve been left out ? What about Alabama ? If their QB or Georgia’s Qb got hurt and they still won the last two games .. you can’t tell me they would’ve left them out the playoffs!
If Bamas quarterback got hurt they probably would have put Georgia in lol. A quarter back less Bama and FSU wouldnt deserve it over a healthy Georgia or Ohio st. Stop being conspiracy theorists
As an FSU fan/alum, I'm not upset with Herbie at all ot buy into some of these conspiracy theories I've heard. What I am confused about is the change of protocol it seems like. All I've heard since the committee started is, "We don't project or predict." Thats exactly what they did.
The protocol didn't change, but the precedence did. An undefeated power 5 champ has never been left out, but neither has the penultimate number 1 dropped out of consideration. The system isn't corrupt, but it was flawed from the beginning. Unfortunately for FSU, their strength of schedule and QB injury hurt them badly.
@@barryklinger5229 SOS? FSU have eight wins this season over bowl-eligible Power 5 conference teams, the most in the country, and also are tied for the national lead with four wins in games it trailed by at least 10 points. FSU was the only team that produced a stretch in which it outscored its opponent by at least 17 points in every regular-season game in 2023, and its eight games with a plus-24 scoring run ranked second.
It does feel like something changed... my best guess the committee was kinda letting things play out in the hopes chaos would make it easy to choose. But they got the wrong kind of chaos.
@@georgewilson4245 it's not about beating the 6-6 and 7-5 teams. It's about your Tier 1 elite wins. How about playing 0 teams that finished in the Top 10 while the 4 playoff teams all have at least 1 Top 10 win. On top of that, the two losses in the CFP were to teams better than FSU played all season. It's about you at your best and FSUs best was beating LSU with a Heisman level QB who is not playing anymore. Blame the ACC for your best win being a home game against the 5th best SEC team.
When they start making up excuses why a 13-0 doesn't get in then you know there corrupt, I remember a couple years ago Herbstreit said he didn't even want to talk about FSU because they were playing bad. This FSU deserved the chance to play for a championship cut and dry 🇺🇲🏈💪
That is not cut and dry. FSU played in a weak conference. Bama had the better resume. Bama beat the number one team in the country. This FSU team will not beat UGA. When UGA beats FSU, all the FSU crybabies will finally shut up. RTR
So from what the committee just did, they are letting every team know to go hurt the main player on a top 4 team and that team will be out the playoffs.
Herbstriet always has had nothing but negative things to say and has been cheering for the other team during live broadcast during FSU games. He shouldn't be allowed to commentate an FSU game but it is what it is.
This is the biggest clown show.., Kirk was pushing FSU out before JT got hurt… and Both of these clowns do nothing but spin for the network… I do not respect either one of them.,. Pat is a WWE ESPN shill now for mega millions…
ABSOLUTELY NO. With the Disney/ESPN $3 BILLION deal with the SEC...a SEC team will always have a place in the play off even though the SEC is 7-9 vs P5 non conference this year.
Depends imo the issue isn’t the backup QBs Ohio state had one one year and won their conference championship by 60 points it’s that they looked inept against inferior competition in a league where style points matter
It's interesting that Depressed Ginger brought up how that politicians from the state of Florida may intervene, yet, politics and money (ESPN, Disney, SEC bias, Herbrstreit, Finebaum) are the real reasons why that FSU was left out of the college football playoff. #4 FSU beat a higher ranked team than #7 Texas did in their conference championship, but Texas jumped them. FSU beat LSU on a neutral field by 21 points when then probably Hesiman trophy winner played the whole game for LSU. Alabama beat LSU by 14 points at Alabama while Jayden Daniels didn't play most of the 2nd half. And FSU was 2-0 against the SEC. Their Strength of Record was third. It's too bad that ESPN has pawns and spineless robots like Herbstreit, Rece Davis, and Joey Galloway. Their noses were extremely brown after the show Sunday. What would happen if Jalen Milroe or JJ McCarthy would get hurt in practice this month and not be able to play in the playoff? Would they let FSU back in? A one-loss Bama team beat their rival on a Hail Mary, while FSU beat rival Florida handedly in the second half going on a 24-3 run to end the game. FSU shut down a high profile offense headed by Jeff Brohm. College football is now about TV ratings and entertainment. It's a shame the players have to be punished like this for having a perfect season in a imperfect selection process. The decision to keep FSU out of the playoffs was a tragic moment in college football history and showed total disrespect to the game of football. The TCU theory/logic from last year is bogus. TCU won their semi-final game and got beat by one of the best teams in college football history for the championship. There was no shame in that. Do people really think that the FSU defense would give up that many points??? No way. Who is to say that with a month of reps against this defense in practice that Tate Rodemaker wouldn't be ready for a playoff game or games? NCAA football instantly became a joke and it's all about the money now instead of heart, pride, and integrity like it once was. ESPN is a sell out. Another reason why I don't watch their coverage no where near like I did in the 80's and 90's when they covered sports and were a factual company. What a shame what has become of BSPN.
1. Alabama has better wins and a tougher schedule than basically the entire top 8. 2. The common opponent argument is dumb, Georgia and bama had a common opponent in Ole Miss, Georgia won 52-17 and bama won 24-10, yet bama won. So idk FSU beat a common opponent by more but does it really matter then? 3. Alabama's strength of record is 4th so if we go off that then bama is in either way. Also their strength of schedule was 5th. 4. Kentucky beat Louisville, it must not be that difficult then. 5 FSU would get destroyed by anyone in the top 8 rn and it would be close. 6. FSU did not handily beat Florida. They were losing most of the game. If you're gonna critique bama for their struggles, you gotta call out FSU's struggles. (Boston college, Florida, Pitt, Miami, UNA for two quarters) don't act like bama is alone in their struggles. Washington, Texas, Georgia, Ohio State all struggled too.
@@brandonwhite9938 Heisman winner Jayden Daniels didn't even play against Alabama in the 2nd half, so forget about trying to argue that one. People forget that FSU beat Louisville in bad weather. No one mentioned that at all. "FSU would get destroyed by anyone in the top 8 rn and it would be close". I think you meant wouldn't be close, but still yet the problem is like the committee chose to do is take money and chose to predict what they think would happen like you are. You don't know what would happen until the game is played. They chose subjectively over objectively. Shame on them. Bama struggled against USF and a horrible Auburn team. FSU rolled Florida in the second half. They outscored them 24-3 to end the game. They just got off to a slow start. FSU took a knee near the goal line at Pitt at the end of the game. Miami and Florida are both rivalry games, so if people are going to use Auburn as an excuse for rivalry game then so can FSU... well we thought they could.Texas beat Alabama is what separated them. Please take your Alabama hat off and quick drinking the BSPN Kool aid.
@@racemom2737 Jaden Daniels went down with 10 minutes to go in 4th quarter. He played a majority of the game. Sorry he's soft, idk what to tell you. Injuries happen. FSU and bama and basically everyone else had struggle games all year, it's just what happened, I just don't like people complaining that bama had "struggled against ____" but then acts like the rest of college football teams didn't struggle. If people are gonna say rivalry games don't count then we gotta stop the stupid struggle arguments. Oh and Alabama played USF in "bad weather" and we won that game, and funny enough USF is bowl eligible, not Florida. So idk who's struggle game is worse. I also don't think the "acc is 6-4" against the sec is a good argument either. Nobody has looked into the games and looked at who played, basically the wins for both conferences are very unimpressive. Acc beat Vanderbilt, a 5-7 USC twice, and 5-7 Florida with a backup, and it was a close game until the end of the 4th. So both conferences essentially beat up on the lower half of the other conference, so please don't bring it up. lastly Alabama's schedule was so difficult I couldn't imagine any team going undefeated with it. Having to play two playoff caliber teams plus ole miss Tennessee and LSU. I'd like to see FSU go undefeated with that instead of playing 2 ranked teams all year and the best of this teams being a 3 loss team. FSUs ceiling is Alabama's floor.
@@brandonwhite9938 "Oh and Alabama played USF in "bad weather" and we won that game," Did you say "we"? Enough said, homer. Take your houndstooth hat off and someone might take you serious.
Poor poor Herbie! I’ve been watching FSU football since 1979, and this is THE biggest crock of sh$$ that I have ever witnessed. If Herbie says that he doesn’t think that his opinions help shape the committees decision, he is an out right liar. Unless you’ve been hiding under a rock, you know that Herbstriet is THE face and voice of college football.
The committee watches the broadcasts. During the ACC championship game, Jesse Palmer made that very clear that the committee was watching and was openly lobbying for Bama to go in over FSU, an ESPN broadcast.
@zippy3984 also, please name the four more ACC folks beyond Boo because I’m not seeing it. Maybe Jim Grobe who is retired Wake HC but he has always hated FSU so not expecting and advocate there.
The SEC is 7-9 vs P5 non conference this year. Does the $3 BILLION SEC TV deal has anything to do the decision to let the 1 LOSS Alabama into the playoff? Slightly CORRUPTED you think?
The issue I'm having is there's no way 2 one loss teams jump ahead of undefeated FSU, FSU defense is legit not even saying they'll win but it would've been close
It is real simple. The cinnamon rolls cannot win a title without Travis. The cinnamon rolls will not beat UGA. The cinnamon rolls are not a top ten team right now. Their D looked good against the ACC...but the ACC is weak.
100%. Kirk has influence and indirectly has a say. Tim Brando even pointed this out. People also forget this happened few times in the past to teams that got screwed out of playing the championship game. Coaches lobbying for BCS bowl games. But this never happened to an undefeated Power 5 conference.
News Flash - Milroe has gone down in week 11 but there backup QB guided the team to a dominate win over their next two opponents. Backup goes down but third string QB guides Alabama to a dominate win in the conference championship thanks to the same suffocating defense that performed in the previous weeks. On selection Sunday Bama is chosen to participate in the CFP. ESPN - Defense wins games and this Bama team has shown that they deserve to be in the playoffs thanks to one of the most dominating defenses in the country. They earned it on the field. The more you try to defend the indefensible the worse you look.
If Bama’s starting QB got hurt and they didn’t play as well with the backup, and barely won, but still won, you know the argument about an injury impacting the CFP selection would be completely different. Then Kirk would talk about how resilient Bama was and how they still deserved to get in.
ESPN, as of this writing, does not have an exclusive contract with the SEC. But ESPN does have an exclusive contract with the ACC. So wouldn't ESPN push for FSU or Bama?
The committee medically discriminated against FSU. That's what happened. Kirk shilling for a committee that took his talking points about why FSU should be excluded, even with their starting qb is not a surprise and is still despicable. They never valued FSU's wins, even though they covered the spread against a "mighty" SEC team and a top 15 CFP ranked team. They won both of those games with what the committee essentially called "potatoes" at qb.
ESPN is doing damage control. The cluster of teams is Alabama, Texas & Georgia because they all have 1 loss and common opponents FSU 45 LSU 24, Alabama 42 LSU 28.
Alabama and Georgia had a common opponent of Ole Miss. Georgia won 52-17 and bama won 24-10. But..... Georgia didn't beat bama. So I don't like the common opponent argument. Try another one
The Disney/ESPN do not care about losses. Just TV ratings. Does the $3 BILLION SEC TV deal has anything to do the decision to let the 1 LOSS Alabama into the playoff? Slightly CORRUPTED you think?
The real issue that is not being discussed is the wrong comparison was made. It should not have been FSU against Bama; rather the comparison should have been between FSU and Michigan. Just compare the two: 1) Both Michigan and FSU were undefeated and won their Conference; 2) Both were in the top 10 at the start of the season (UM #2; FSU #8); 3) Both had 1 win against a top 5 opponent (UM vs. #2 Ohio State; FSU vs. #5 LSU); 4) Both Michigan and FSU had similar strengths of schedules (UM 53; FSU 55); 5) Both Michigan and FSU had similar winning records against ranked opponents when they played them (UM 3-0 against Penn State, Ohio State, & Iowa; FSU 4-0 against LSU, Clemson, Duke, & Louisville); 6) Both have winning records against teams who are ranked at the end of the season (UM 3-0 against Ohio State, Penn State, & Iowa; FSU 3-0 against LSU, Louisville & Clemson) 7) Both have similar offensive numbers (UM averaged 219 passing yards & 162 rushing yards pre game; FSU averaged 260 passing yards & 157 rushing yards per game); 8) Both had sub-par performances from the QB play against their biggest rivals (UM against OSU in the Big House - McCarthy 148 Passing Yards; FSU against Florida in the Swamp - Rodemaker 134 Passing Yards); 9) Both had sub-par performances offensively in their Conference Championship game (UM had 213 Total Yards of Offense; FSU had 219 Total Yards of Offense. 10) Both played average Conference foes in their Championship Game (UM vs. #16 Iowa; FSU vs. #15 Louisville). The comparisons can go on and on, and if you look at the data, they are very similar; so why did the committee not compare them? This should have been the real debate - between FSU and Michigan; not FSU and Bama. Not sure why that never happened?!?
Why would you drage another undefeated team in this sure if Alabama and Texas were undefeated but they both have losses Alabama to Texas and to Oklahoma
Sure, the whole circus is worth billions every year but no funny business despite all the funny business… Don’t believe your lying eyes folks, Kirk is super honest
Georgia lost the SEC champion by three and dropped all the way from 1 to 6. The 4th and 4 first down by Alabama should be reviewed and overturned. It's an incomplete pass. The Alabama wide receiver caught the ball. The reply clearly shown the ball roll off the hand under the body. The next play, BAMA scored a touch down. That bad call cost Georgia SEC championship game and play off. The bad also cost FSU the seat at the Champion game. Four 0 loss conference champions are in. There should not be any argument. The committee had to put Texas in if they put BAMA in. Texas has head to head win again BAMA. All because of that bad call. 😞
Exactly! Plus, I love how everyone is overlooking/forgetting about MICHIGAN CHEATING! Cheaters shouldn't be allowed to take place in any bowls, playoffs, or championships!
This is simply ESPN's employees towing the corporate line. Kirk Herbstreit, you (and your ESPN ilk) pressured, lobbied and pushed for this result since"before" Travis' broken leg. Unfortunately for you, the internet leaves a documented trail: you lobbied for FSU to be snubbed on air the day Travis broke his leg, BEFORE the GAME. You make the spurious argument that you were not on the committee, but you completely ignore that you and ESPN carry a huge bully pulpit and wield serious influence on the committee. This was pure politics and Kirk, you're a pawn. I get it, you make a lot of money to do your company's bidding, but can't you just be a man and own this result that you successfully lobbied for, rather than acting like you're the victim? The national championship series is a Pay to Play invitational and not a legit playoff. Also, you look really, really bad here trying to play the victim. You should stick to lobbying and leave acting to Hollywood. Calling out McAfee for his inability to critically think is fodder for another post. Let's just say, Pat: you and ESPN- perfect together.
This is why you cant rank based purely on win/loss all season! none of this would have been an issue if they had been applying the criteria all year long and not just at the very end. it would lead to more accurate rankings through the year that actually mean 1 is the best team, 2 is the second best team, 3 is the third and so on. Not who had the easiest schedule and gets more gimme games week to week.
Except that doesn't apply in this case. FSU's resume' was just a strong as any of the undefeateds and stronger than those teams with one-loss. They actually do what you are asking here. And they stopped doing it in the final rankings.
Herbie had lots of say. He was preaching that FSU should be out after the Miami game This was long before JT was hurt. Hope you are happy. You ruined college football. I used to respect you but now your credibility is ruined. Sorry that you had to follow the talking points of the network but you made that choice. The 12 team change next year will still be dictated by SEC arrogance. This is nonsense.
