There Was No Team Silent | What Really Happened to Silent Hill 

It's a called a slow burn. What's considered lame initially would become an all time classic years later. The 1958 movie Vertigo is another perfect example of this. That's just life, views and opinions always vary and change with the passage of time.

Nah, the game was great, because was cheaper to make, something that can't be done now. That's the real issue, new games won't allow experiments, because that will cost a lot of money.

I wasn´t crazy about SH 2 on release. I still ain´t. 1&3 and dare I say Shattered Memories rank above it for me but I also knew who David Lynch was when I played SH 2 so the homages were a bit on the nose. The game also plays much worse than its prequel or sequel. Shockingly so. Still, a good game and SH 4 ain´t bad either. RIP Team Silent. All 2.5 shifting versions of it.

Silent Hill has poor sales. Sales is important.

Agreed. But some people are too lazy to do research so I have less faith that this video being linked back to and referenced for years to come. :(

@@GuyOnAChair henlo, hows james development ? ;D

@@GuyOnAChair true, and People also don't like letting go of the romantic ideas they've grown attached to.

@@amirah232 Ah hello! James hair is still poor sorry for the late reply. :)

Damn it - you unapologetic hype man! Now I need to watch the video ....

Arguably, Silent Hill 2 and 3 have some heavy crossover in design because they share many assets. But on the whole? Comparing Silent Hill 1 to 3, or 4 to 2, is just as wild as trying to compare Origins to Homecoming. All the games have a very unique feeling, and those elements that make them feel more uniform have more to do with the console they're on and the game design traditions of the time.

@@thegamingmuse your wrong about team silent not being a thing, the members all made all 4 games some members left the project and some came back I regard all the members as team silent Akira and Ito also confirmed team silent existence so I don't know what your doing girl trying to gather a new toxic fandom that disregards team silent work.

@@derekb4977 The SH fandom was always toxic. Your comment just reinforces it.

@@derekb4977 Wild youre saying that when Twin perfect exists in the silent hill fandom, which spent ages shitting on anything not "team silent". Get your head outta your ass.

@@derekb4977 agreed ^_^, also with OP. it's simple as that

The Real Silent Hill Experience might interest you. Started a decade ago.

Avalanche reviews way better

As others have said. The Real Silent Hill Experience is far better.

After SH4, part of the team was recruited by Sony to form Project Siren

The 'team silent' that appears at the end of that video is a term used by marketing, a separate division from the supposed "internal" team silent, and yes there was an internal team working on the games, but they were not a dubbed "Team Silent" team that had officially associated themselves solely with that game. Half of them even were working on other games at the same time. There's a difference between "we have a team of people working on silent hill" and "we have a Team Silent who is dedicated to our silent hill series", and they never had a team dedicated to the series the way they did Tokimeki or their soccer games.

Don't try arguing, the pretentious RU-vidr has an army of sycophants to worship their delusion in spite of contrary evidence. Your comparison of a band is apt: It's like saying Nirvana never existed because Dave Grohl wasn't always the drummer. Iron Maiden never existed because there were two albums with Paul Dianno instead of Bruce Dickinson. Just because it wasn't an "official" team doesn't mean there wasn't a core team of minds working on it. At least it lets me know I never have to give anything thegamingmuse says any credence.

@@thegamingmuse Do you get fatigued from moving those goalposts?

@@thegamingmuse For one thing, more than ten people worked on SH1. For another, your video insinuates that even the name "Team Silent" was invented by fans, which isn't the case. Here's a SH2 trailer with Team Silent's logo: youtu . be/dk7JkSArEdQ There absolutely was a Team Silent, in the sense that the majority of the team carried over for each game. The core team from SH1 returned for SH2, except for three members (Keiichiro Toyama, Isao Takahashi, Naoko Sato) who left to work at Sony. The team was expanded for SH2 due to the bigger budget. The story was developed by Hiroyuki Owaku, Takayoshi Sato, Masahiro Ito, Masashi Tsuboyama, and Suguru Murakoshi, all of whom worked on SH1 except for Murakoshi. After SH2, the team split to develop SH3 and SH4 simultaneously. Most of the core staff members from SH2 returned for SH3, and SH4 was also made up of people who worked on the first two games. Some members (Jun Inoue, Naoto Ohshima, Ryouko Horie) even worked on both games at the same time. Takayoshi Sato was originally involved with SH3, but left due to a payment dispute with Konami. We also from interviews that Team Silent's SH5 (cancelled) involved Masashi Tsuboyama, Akihiro Imamura, Akira Yamaoka, and Suguru Murakoshi. Which means you would have individual team members involved with 4/5ths of the Team Silent games. To quote the developers themselves: IGN: How much of the original team is working on [Silent Hill 2]? Akihiro Imamura: The core team is the same. But the sequel is a much bigger project, so we've had to supplement that with about thirty more staff from within Konami Computer Entertainment Tokyo, Inc. Kazuhide Nakazawa: Actually, there are quite a few new staff members working on Silent Hill 3. Most of the core staff members from Silent Hill 2 are working on Silent Hill 3, however. Murakoshi: Production on SH4 began right after production on SH2 ended. We actually moved forward with SH3 & SH4 at the same time. One thing we discussed this time was "creating a new Silent Hill." We even originally started out with the intention of having the Silent Hill name as a subtitle. Q: Like The Room: Silent Hill, maybe? Murakoshi: Simply speaking, yeah. And so, at the very start, we took 2-3 months to plan things out. The production work for SH2 had just ended, so we were talking with each other about how accomplished it was and such, and we started deciding to what extent we wanted to make changes and do something new. So, we came up with three fairly polished plans, and we chose the scariest one - that was how it went. Q: So how did The Room end up being the subtitle for the game? Yamaoka: We wanted to express the idea that Silent Hill was moving in a new direction. We reasoned that with a title of Silent Hill 4: The Room, it would be recognizable to a great many people as "a new Silent Hill", but they'd understand right away that while it's at heart a Silent Hill game, it's different from what came before. If most of the team is returning for every game, two of the games were developed simultaneously, and core creators associated with the team led 3 out of 4 of them (Masahiro Ito, Akira Yamaoka, Akihiro Imamura, Masashi Tsuboyama, Hiroyuki Owaku, etc), then Team Silent existed.

@@initial_C no need to be pretentious and a dickhead yourself tho

@@Silent47963 twinperfect has alot of flawed videos, and are not above criticism. Their videos defending MoS, BvS, and "why Batman kills" are very flawed videos, with alot of fallacies and bad arguments. I would not question that their SH videos are as flawed. Making research doesn't mean much if context is ignored and/or misrepresented to favour the point you're trying to make, but he uses it as an excuse to deflect any criticism, just like you did.

@@Silent47963 What lol? Even back when those "documentary" videos came out, so much of the nonsense they spewed was already debunked by members of the fandom who weren't elitist shmucks desperately searching for internet clout by being Oppressed Gamers™. They were so lame that they stole theories other people had made in the fandom years prior to them without giving credit, and then still managed to push them as facts when they too had been debunked. That's not even getting into the litany of trash behavior they had towards not only actual developers, but other fans and random people out in the world (that time they mocked some homeless guy or whatever for the sake of 'humor', the racist "Del-Taco" nickname they gave to Del Toro, etc) They were some embarrassing to witness, like how when they cited a few lines from some interview from a dev team member to use to back up some shitty theory they had, then shat-talked that very same dev team member when it came to something that undermined some other shit they were trying to push. You saying they have a "brick wall of information" just shows how and why they managed to get a following to begin with: style over substance; so many people saw their production values for their vids and conflated that with them being actual authorities about anything related to Silent Hill. I wish SHC's domain was fully restored so I could just link to the numerous threads which showed so much of TP's bullshit get decisively wiped out, but you can still find examples on other sites. So yeah, they definitely "failed" at actually being objective and insightful with their 'documentary series', which in actuality just turned out to be them slobbing over the first three games and then it slowly degenerating when they got to SH4, whereafter it was just them shitting on everything and trying to pass it off as insightful lol. TL;DR you're wrong about everything.

No need to be petulant

@@Housesider but everything after 4 was indeed no where near as good as the originals and I don’t even consider them part of the series personally. They miss the mark so much

@@vaevictis_ How anyone personally feels about the games after 4 doesn't really have any bearing on how wrong Twin Perfect's SH videos were (they made quite a few that weren't about the games' qualities)

Chrono Trigger is the best video game ever made. In my opinion of course, but for real though? Best game ever made

Agreed

silent hill 2 was the first that you played?

@@rahah00 No, I played all four in order.

Bruh.

same bro, legit manly tears coming down through my eyes right now. not too mention i got goosebumps too. this is just bitter but sweet remember that nothing last forever, thus that's why this series is so special to all of us.

Glad to be of help! And I'm very curious about that project on PT - I'll have to be sure to check it out!

This video isn't accurate. For one thing, more than ten people worked on SH1. For another, the video insinuates that even the name "Team Silent" was invented by fans, which isn't the case. Here's a SH2 trailer with Team Silent's logo: youtu . be/dk7JkSArEdQ There absolutely was a Team Silent, in the sense that the majority of the team carried over for each game. The core team from SH1 returned for SH2, except for three members (Keiichiro Toyama, Isao Takahashi, Naoko Sato) who left to work at Sony. The team was expanded for SH2 due to the bigger budget. The story was developed by Hiroyuki Owaku, Takayoshi Sato, Masahiro Ito, Masashi Tsuboyama, and Suguru Murakoshi, all of whom worked on SH1 except for Murakoshi. After SH2, the team split to develop SH3 and SH4 simultaneously. Most of the core staff members from SH2 returned for SH3, and SH4 was also made up of people who worked on the first two games. Some members (Jun Inoue, Naoto Ohshima, Ryouko Horie) even worked on both games at the same time. Takayoshi Sato was originally involved with SH3, but left due to a payment dispute with Konami. We also from interviews that Team Silent's SH5 (cancelled) involved Masashi Tsuboyama, Akihiro Imamura, Akira Yamaoka, and Suguru Murakoshi. Which means you would have individual team members involved with 4/5ths of the Team Silent games. To quote the developers themselves: IGN: How much of the original team is working on [Silent Hill 2]? Akihiro Imamura: The core team is the same. But the sequel is a much bigger project, so we've had to supplement that with about thirty more staff from within Konami Computer Entertainment Tokyo, Inc. Kazuhide Nakazawa: Actually, there are quite a few new staff members working on Silent Hill 3. Most of the core staff members from Silent Hill 2 are working on Silent Hill 3, however. Murakoshi: Production on SH4 began right after production on SH2 ended. We actually moved forward with SH3 & SH4 at the same time. One thing we discussed this time was "creating a new Silent Hill." We even originally started out with the intention of having the Silent Hill name as a subtitle. Q: Like The Room: Silent Hill, maybe? Murakoshi: Simply speaking, yeah. And so, at the very start, we took 2-3 months to plan things out. The production work for SH2 had just ended, so we were talking with each other about how accomplished it was and such, and we started deciding to what extent we wanted to make changes and do something new. So, we came up with three fairly polished plans, and we chose the scariest one - that was how it went. Q: So how did The Room end up being the subtitle for the game? Yamaoka: We wanted to express the idea that Silent Hill was moving in a new direction. We reasoned that with a title of Silent Hill 4: The Room, it would be recognizable to a great many people as "a new Silent Hill", but they'd understand right away that while it's at heart a Silent Hill game, it's different from what came before. If most of the team is returning for every game, two of the games were developed simultaneously, and core creators associated with the team led 3 out of 4 of them (Masahiro Ito, Akira Yamaoka, Akihiro Imamura, Masashi Tsuboyama, Hiroyuki Owaku, etc), then Team Silent existed.

If you watch my other videos on the seires which are far more developed youll see its more complicated than just one 'team silent' even if they had much in common.

​@@thegamingmuse My point is that despite some people leaving and some joining, most of the original team still returned. The vast majority of core members from Silent Hill 1 still returned for 2. After 2 they split to develop SH3 and SH4 simultaneously Most of the core staff members from SH2 even returned for SH3, and SH4 was also made up of people who worked on the first two games. Some members (Jun Inoue, Naoto Ohshima, Ryouko Horie) even worked on both games at the same time. If most of the team is returning for every game, two of the games were developed simultaneously, and core creators associated with the team led 3 out of 4 of them (Masahiro Ito, Akira Yamaoka, Akihiro Imamura, Masashi Tsuboyama, Hiroyuki Owaku, etc), then Team Silent existed.

@@silverg2862 they didn't had a proper name and konami don't want proper team because right now kojumbo still fucked with konami and WON because he is a legend first and a man after

I was there too. People were not really impressed by the game. I really enjoyed the game, but even if the ending was great, it was not like the horror and weird as the world in SH 1 was.

SH2 wasnt even just horror it was more about PTSD, psychological trauma etc and best at that. Who cares what some pencilpusher or ppl who don't know jack about these games or topics says anyways. We bought the game and loved it and that is all there is to it. Konami didn't know what it have and how to handle it that was the death of SH nothing else.

@@iceyfloor6730 Yes, but the narrative around the game at the time was definitely not "PTSD horror". It's no exaggeration that it was almost unclassifiable since it's hardly survival horror. More adventure horror than anything else. Critics around the time did not get it. A clown at EGM gave it a 7! (although the aggregate score ended up at 8.3)

4 was pretty alright. Downpour was poo.

@@fjorgyn7438I enjoy Downpour so that you don't have to XD but really though I respect your difference of opinion, cheers

Yea 4 and Downpour were great

4 was good. Downpour felt like a watered down SH2

I played them back to back, both have charm and meaningful stories. Sh4 was harder and the music is just perfect.

This kind of idea is unfortunately part of the problem. The people who made the later games understood Silent Hill. They were all fans. They just understood it differently than you. Personally, I think they understood it fine, and interviews make it even more clear to me how much they love and knew the games. Idealizing the previous devs because they "understood" it also ignores how different each devs "understanding" of Silent Hill was. Toyama and Sato and Tsuboyama all had vastly different games. Each Silent Hill is a very personal look at the same themes and similar gameplay elements, and even if you do not like one or many of them, they are still Silent Hill. The first four are not the "true" or "canon" games. They are all true, and they are all canon. This kind of argument is still not helpful for discussing the series because it's very self centered to define a game's series and its lore by what you approve of and like best.

​@@thegamingmuse It's not an argument about what I deem canon or not, or what the fans in general deem canon. The fact of the matter is that the series changed drastically after 4 and the fandom became divided, not out of spite for western devs or idealized love for the original ones (though of course some people will fall into those two categories) but because they didn't like the games period, or felt they weren't as good. Another thing is, Silent hill does have plenty of room for interpretation and can be wonderfully personal for that matter; that being said, there is still an established lore that ideally should be respected in order for the story to make sense and be compelling. When I say the western devs didn't understand it, I mean it. Origins paints Alessa as an evil child and has no room in the continuity. The projected nightmare and monsters begin in 1 when Cheryl is reunited with Alessa when Harry arrives to silent hill. Leaving no room for the events in Origins. It's just convoluted and confuses people I still have to hear people refer to Alessa as evil because of that game and it's annoying. Also Homecoming has pyramid head and bubblehead nurses which belong only to James and his personal experience. And look, it's fine if you like those games, but I personally can't overlook the missteps, plot holes and general lack of subtlety every game has after 4, and tons of other people think that way too and that is totally fine and fair. It's the same as arguments about star wars movies. Nobody agrees on anything and there's plenty of opinions out there, and that is how that works. And for the record, I'm not huge on Sh4 either, I feel the quality began to drop there. I'm really just a huge fan of the first 3 games, for what is worth.

The truth is, the fandom was always divided. I still receive comments about how 2 is not a good game truthfully, about how 3 was not, and 4 was not - going back to the first game, fans have always been divided. We just have this false understanding that those divisions started because of the western devs, when in truth they were always there, they just weren't as well documented. Fansites and forums from those times are mostly gone. And again - issues like Origins plot has to do with the problems I pointed out in the video. Without spoiling my next project, Origins was quite literally forced into a plot created by outsiders and given half a budget and half a timeline to finish the game. It was a real mess.

You mad?

Lol someone's reality got shattered.

@@damkylan3 The video isn't accurate. For one thing, more than ten people worked on SH1. For another, the video insinuates that even the name "Team Silent" was invented by fans, which isn't the case. Here's a SH2 trailer with Team Silent's logo: youtu . be/dk7JkSArEdQ There absolutely was a Team Silent, in the sense that the majority of the team carried over for each game.The core team from SH1 returned for SH2, except for three members (Keiichiro Toyama, Isao Takahashi, Naoko Sato) who left to work at Sony.The team was expanded for SH2 due to the bigger budget. The story was developed by Hiroyuki Owaku, Takayoshi Sato, Masahiro Ito, Masashi Tsuboyama, and Suguru Murakoshi, all of whom worked on SH1 except for Murakoshi. After SH2, the team split to develop SH3 and SH4 simultaneously. Most of the core staff members from SH2 returned for SH3, and SH4 was also made up of people who worked on the first two games. Some members (Jun Inoue, Naoto Ohshima, Ryouko Horie) even worked on both games at the same time. Takayoshi Sato was originally involved with SH3, but left due to a payment dispute with Konami. If most of the team is returning for every game, two of the games were developed simultaneously, and core creators associated with the team led 3 out of 4 of them (Masahiro Ito, Akira Yamaoka, Akihiro Imamura, Masashi Tsuboyama, Hiroyuki Owaku, etc), then Team Silent existed.

Speaking about Silent Hill, make sure to check out the trailer to my fan film. Made by fans for fans :) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OrY3RE8t-iA.html

Thanks for the long reply! You're absolutely right, the later games were made by Europeans for the most part, but as far as Japan goes, Europe is also the 'Western' market, so it tends to cover Europe and America.

Thank you for replying back :) If I could make a suggestion for a future video, perhaps you can do one on the misconception that the early games were good bc they had Japanese developers, and the later games were "worse" since they had "Western" developers. This video probably explains it anyways, but since its clearing up a misconception on "Team Silent", I think it would be interesting if you did others like that on various topics.

One of the best comments I’ve read in a long time. Thank you for this. Agree with so much of what you’ve said. 👍👍👍

Except that it isn't a fan term. Watch Silent Hill 2's TGS Spring 2001 trailer until the very end :)

@@symphony137 Yes, you're right, at the end of the Silent Hill 2 2001 TGS trailer, there is a "Team Silent CSET" right at the end. Do you think that makes it official? There's nothing saying "Team Silent" on the games themselves.

Isn't this what everyone already says since the American games came out? This really isn't that big of a revelation. It just shows Konami didn't care about the series even less because of no consistency and wanting to appease western players by making them cliche horror games.

nakey jakey has a solid video on it.

They did. Both critics and fans complained about the game not being a sequel to the first one, the story being confusing, and "boring", and the monster to be "uninspired"...I was around those forums, and I still own magazines from that time, SH2 had a "mixed" reception.

Speaking about Silent Hill, make sure to check out the trailer to my fan film. Made by fans for fans :) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OrY3RE8t-iA.html

@Ostrava_Of_Boletaria Heyas! I'm always popping up in various Silent Hill videos around RU-vid. It's more than just the music I love about those original games.

The main problem is every Silent Hill game (after SH4) always copying SH2's formula with inferior results. They keep trying to recapture SH2 without understanding what made it work. The best way to move forward is to not get too fixated on anything about "past trauma." It's gotten too predictable.