These Are Ruining The DGPT 

Kind of ironic that Prodigy's horrible baskets punish Prodigy's best player.

I loved Isaac saying his sponsers baskets suck on live coverage

Brodie out here describing can jam 😂😂

The sound of the chains is iconic to disc golf. If you took that away the satisfaction would probably go down.

The PDGA needs to come up with a standard basket, not the disc golf companies. We need consistency with putting in disc golf.

I'd love to see a design more like RPM baskets. They are beautiful

Pro tour should be using rpm helix baskets they look good and catch most everything

I have the lower end Prodigy baskets on my property. Since they have fewer layers of chains, there is less mass and less "push back" on the disk. I've not experienced any more spit outs of the front of the baskets that any other baskets that I've played on. Prodigy can easily fix this issue with a little engineering effort.

I remember Uli trying to sell me on Prodigy baskets years ago at Worlds... 🤣 How times have changed

New Zealand made RPM baskets are designed to let the chain slide along the top rod and catch the disc without throwing it out. So you "CAN" get a different basket.

Give me the RPM Helix or give me death 💀

I actually going back to tone poles is the best idea. Everything you described is basically a fancy way of assessing whether somebody hit the middle of the chains, i.e. the sweet spot. Bring back the pole!

Watching the New Zealand tourneys earlier this year with Ellis, Humphries, and Oman, the RPM baskets seemed to catch any disc that touched them.

We have Prodigy baskets at my home course. Every Tuesday is our doubles league and any card I’m on where someone has a chain spit out we simply say “Prodigy”

Happend in professional darts, forever the PDC played on Unicorn boards and Unicorn boards became so hard the had the most bounce outs. So players started using serrated tips to make the stick in the board. So the past year the PDC switched to Winmau boards

you have close with the RPM helix basket. Ask Drew. He did a YT video where he sang their praises

Those baskets need to go to the scrap metal junk yard.

Brodie, I hope this changes your opinion on shrinking our baskets. Putts that look like this spit out on bullseye style baskets all the time.

Just get rid of baskets all together and replace them with a big red button. And when you hit it, one of those annoying wall mounted fake fish start bending at the waist and singing "Heard it through the grapevine."

i remember a soccer World Cup where the players were constantly complaining about the way the ball flew and it was very noticeable to see the ball knuckle around very unpredictably.

The simplest fix is to slightly increase the size of the bottom basket in relation to the chains. An extra four inches of bottom basket diameter would likely have saved both of Issac's Preserve spit-outs. Additionally the basket edge could be engineered to make for a better catching surface. For instance if instead of a vertical basket edge, if it fluted slightly outward near the top this would encourage any discs that hit the chains and then bounce and hit the basket to bounce back toward the center instead of straight up. This would give the basket a very mild funnel effect.

they need to just make the cage at the bottom wider..like if you hit chains the disc should stay in. like in basketball, if your ball passes through the rim and into the net, it shouldnt be able to fly out of the net and not count. if the disc hits the chains it should fall in the cage

Closest comparison is baseball field dimensions. Distances and sizes of outfield fences vary between ballparks. What could be a homeroom at Fenway is an out at 29 other parks, etc.

Hear me out, so we all know there’s baskets out there with triple chains. What if the outer chains are smaller gauge, then the middle chains are slightly larger, followed by the inner chains being the largest? It would give the disc a chance to pass through 2 sets of chains before hitting the biggest, and I think that would almost completely eliminate the chance of it coming back through the first two chain rings. Or, they design chains that slide along the top just enough to keep them from swinging back so hard. Idk, but our local park has baskets from Amazon that are triple chain and they’re PHENOMENAL baskets and the best I’ve played on to date. Haven’t had a spit out yet when I hit it in the center, only when I throw a bad putt and glance off the left side.

Is it possible for different types of plastic the problem or just the baskets?

I actually like the idea that if the majority of your card hears the sound of the chains then you score it.

Make the catch-baskets a little larger in circumference and make that size standard for all PDGA sanctioned events.

I have really light chain baskets that also have the horizontal chains and it will grab and spit out putts just like that too

Ok, I said this recently after seeing Wysocki get robbed from the fairway a few tournaments ago. Baskets are faulty. If a light/ buzzer is not good enough, make it mechanical. If it impacts it, the device will register a score. The impact will be the amount registered on the pole.

I was in the gallery and personally witnessed this. Issac was pissed, but kept it together all things considered. Gannon had a similar moment Sunday. Expressing frustration is so common in other sports. No need for retractions

What if there was just a basket, no chains. Just a pole that holds up a basket. So you have to have touch to land your disc in the basket. With the baskets we have now they discs would bounce out so we would need to make them deeper or the bottom can be soft so it absorbs the disc.

I compare the basket issue to MLB home run wall, outfield walls in baseball are all different depths in different places, some hometown teams gain a huge advantage from this when it comes to home runs Use the same baskets for every tournament

Tone pole with lights. When pole is hit and circuit is completed it beeps and lights up?

Lets just remove the basket from the bottom, and anything that touches chain counts? If it's too easy tighten up the chains. No catching.

How bout no more stainless steel chain,go with galvanized link,it increases friction coefficient,which will decrease spit through. However this is not a perfect world

You need a material towards the center that is like a deadening sheet so good puts don’t pass through and will absorb the energy of puts so they don’t bounce off the pole. . And then a set of chains around that to still potentially grab puts that are left or right of center.

So I have made my own disc golf baskets & when I Googled the dimensions & parameters I specifically used the 6 inner & 12 outer chains design. Mimicking the disc catcher style of old. It works great! I don't understand why disc golf basket manufacturers are trying new chain configurations & design when the 6 & 12 chain design works fine. I think the chain links connecting the inner & outer chains is ridiculous! Like Uli said. They spit the disc out.

There needs to be a standardized basket for the entire dgpt.

Brody was trying to think of another sport where this is a problem, I think there are several places you could look early in sports when they were becoming more popular or going professional. One that comes to mind is the backboards and the hoops for basketball used to be problematic in different ways before they came up with breakaway rims, and backboards that could hang farther out over the court and even the types of flooring.

Just get rid of prodigy....period.

I think they should use bike tubes or strands of rubber instead of chains. Make them loose so that they don't act like elastics. They are a grippy material and should "catch" the disc.

I actually like the canjam idea. Make the basket to where a tap in is 6’-8’ not 20’

I had the rotating basket "hole" idea as well.

The soccer analog would be how the ball is stitched which greatly affects aerodynamics. They change the patten just about every year for international play, and there's infamous balls that were nightmares for keepers to track the knuckle ball shots

Yay my question :) Gotta make a standard DGPT basket

the small area thing wont work, buzzer can break or go faulty and ppl will say "what the heck i hit the spot and it didn't go off" next idea

Remove all horizontal chains. Keep everything else. Spitouts are part of the game and make for great suspense/drama. Any basket with discs coming through the bottom of the basket should be removed.

If it spits from holding it to the pole and letting go, that basket has to go

Brodie and his BasKiT DrAAMa! 😭😭. #GOSSIPGIRLS

Making the baskets larger would solve the problem.

The problem with Prodigy baskets are simply the horizontal chains. I think Isaacs putt went into that square pocket of chains and couldn't fall down like in other baskets, so the chains pushed it out. Last year his putter rolled on top of one of those horizontal chains and went through. In other baskets the putter would've fallen between the chains, and just maybe hit the cage on the backside if anything. I think the only big problem with other baskets is when the chains don't slow you enough, and you hit the pole too hard and bounce back. I don't think we need to change the size of the basket. Just try different combinations of vertical chains to see what catches the best. Heavier chains in the middle to make the last effort to slow the disc down before the pole, and lighter chains on the outside, so they don't push the putters out. Just see what works the best.

I use a blowfly putter or floppy putter when I see prodigy baskets, leaning baskets, or high roll away risk baskets.

Ok - I got it! have the top connection point of the chains on a bar about 4" long that is tilted up towards the pole so that when the chains are hit high the top of the chain strand can slide in and up creating a shock absorber effect. I'll need 10 % of the profits 😄

A. Is it possible to put like "retainer chains" on the chains (attatched to the chains and the center pole of the basket) so they can't swing out from the basket as much and hence not beeing able to push the disc to far back out? B. I was first thinking of having loser chains but that wouldn't help since gravity would pull those chains down and create the same tension anyway I guess. (But maybe the disc would start dropping a bit before the chains start pushing back and hence make it fall lower and have the "guard rails" stop it easier?)

It’s an easy solution for me, shrink the chains and expand the bucket

Honestly just make the basket wider on them. The chains shouldn’t be practically the same width as the basket it drops into

The fix is simple. increase the diameter of the tray by 6 inches. A spit out almost always falls off the top of the tray. If they were wider they would fall in.

I would love to see them play on a skinny chain basket. Keep the basket the same size but bring the chains in about halfway. It wouldn't shoot straight back out and make putting a lot harder. Just like Big J and Paul said in last week's video. These pros "gimmes" are at 10 feet now. I know I will get some pushback on this but there is just not a lot of finesse when it comes to putting. Players can putt it from 10 feet away with the speed that would send them 30 feet past and still make it. There really is no risk because these players C1 ratings are insane.

Baskets are a part of the game. If everyone thinks they are bad then they are being consistent with everyone

Well, those Prodigy baskets really do suck.

just a suggestion. thicker chain or make the basket a little deeper. that will make the chain longer which i think a longer chain will not have that abrupt chain return inertia/force. i don't know maybe ask a engineer do some math and get a better answer than mine...lol

Yes you have bad spit outs sometimes. You have to admit though that some players blame the basket when the putt wasn’t good ie: high and left on the chains (Gannon Buhr) Sometimes it’s not the basket it’s the putt. That said there is a very clear difference between baskets.

It's like if someone were to try and steal a base, and the base itself was a trampoline, but they wouldn't know until they hit said base. Inexcusable for any money involved game!!!

I am looking at expanding our local course by 9 baskets. I can get prodigy baskets the quickest and band colour of my choice. After the video, I am looking at different baskets.

I think the RPM baskets catch pretty well. Why not import them from the Kiwi's? Beautiful baskets that catch well. A win, win!

What about in bowling when they bowl a perfect shot hitting exactly in the pocket where they were aiming and then get a split or something?

Back to tone poles the size of Marksman baskets.

Bro just invented Can Jam…

Everybody can have their own basket designs, lets just standardize the chain weight. I'm not saying the thickness of the links, but take the total chains and they have to comply to an official range of weight. The company can then distribute those chains however they want on a basket; single row, double rows, cross chains, what ever.

His disc gets vertical in the chains and sets down on the horizontal chains and rolls backwards off the chain shelf

The reality is that equipment fails all the time across all sport.its more common in some sports than others but its just a part of the game. Bats break all the time, every now and then a ball goes right through a glove and a runner is called safe since the ball was “dropped”. In motor sports, there are mechanical failures all the time and it cost drivers podiums, wins etc. Baskets failing and spitting good putts, is unfortunate and sometimes heartbreaking when a player loses strokes because the basket “failed”. I think it’s difficult to say but the only reasonable decision I could see if universal baskets at all pro tour events and also maybe a new rule that a card or third party rule enforcer can make a group decision that the out should of been good and perhaps give a retake with 0 stroke penalty, just a re attempt basically. But idk if that’s the best solution.

I agree that it is better to use baskets that have higher catch rate than other baskets. That said everyone has to use the same basket.

Disc golf needs to have a standardized basket. Its the only sport where the targer or goal, is different tournament to tournament. Can you imagine if every basketball court had different hoops.

What about a window screen type material that is attached around the top band and goes down to the bottom of the inside part of the basket at an inward angle?

Would love to see RPM helix become the standard for all courses

Forget chains. You need a pole, equipped with a metal sleeve that makes a loud ringing sound (a tone as it were) when struck, audible for hundreds of feet. Not sure what to call it...

Prodigy needs to give Isaac hole 4's basket to practise on at home. Paul Molitor would agree. 😊

Cale has had his filthy hands all over the state (MN) here… 90% of notable courses in the state have them and people are over it. No doubt he makes profit off every single one installed in the state.

2:34 MLB has had years of “juiced” baseballs, even uniforms this year have been complained about.

The baskets still gotta be ace-able

Turf still being used in the NFL is kinda similar in a way i feel. The players don't want it but the NFL doesn't seem to care.

we have 9 prodigy baskets at our home course and its rough sometimes not as bad as Isaacs spit out but we just keep saying "fkn prodigy baskets"

So I was going to try and make a product myself that would solve some of these problems and make a more unified putt "feel". Life is not gonna allow me to invent my product, so here you go world! A 1/4-1/2" thick silicone rubber sleeve on the pole. Step one The inside chains are lighter gauge than the outside chains. Step two Both steps manage, but not excuse "zippy" putts, therefore leveling that facet

Ding pole still holds up in these arguments

Imagine a professional bowling event where the pins were more weighted on the bottom and pins just randomly didn't fall over. Imagine a professional darts tournament where the board randomly rejected darts 5% of the time. Imagine a swim meet where the timers sometimes didn't register when the swimmer hit the wall. Bad equipment leading to more randomness is a HORRIBLE look for any sport trying to be taken seriously. These trash baskets gotta go. It's honestly ridiculous we are still using them.

Isn’t that the “Tonal” disc golf originally had? It was just a pole that made a ding sound when you hit it.

Soccer occasionally has issues with equipment complaints. World cup balls especially the South Afrika ball was highly criticized.

Chain whiskers thin enough they wouldn’t keep it out of the basket, but would help it not bounce out.

Everyone throws at the same basket, maybe it’s not the basket.

I've been commenting for a while that there should be a standard basket for all PDGA Silver and above events. The ball golf target is exactly the same every time. Why can't disc golf be the same?

He needs to take it up with his sponsor. I do believe you need to putt with touch, but those baskets rejected some pretty soft putts.

What is similar is they used a new reinvented rubber basketball and it ended up only lasting in the NBA for a month.

Magnetize the discs! There is your fix for Prodigy baskets. Or just place them where they belong in the trash. Both are better options then what we have now.😂

That looks like it could be fixed with an engineering solution.

With any basket, every link on every chain presents the potential to affect how the disc reacts when it hits them. You could not even write a physics equation to address the variables involved. Other sports have a much less complicated way to finish (hoop/basketball, hole/ball golf, net/soccer & hockey, goalposts/football, etc). Solution: Eliminate the chains and the pole, and, so the disc can fall downward and not spin and roll/jump out of a now shallow chain-less/pole-less basket, keep the basket size as is but then the basket tapers, like a funnel, all to the way to where it mounts into the ground. Now aces by players would be much more rare (like ball golf). Long putts would be much less successful and lag putting would be very important (like ball golf). Not trying to make disc golf the same as ball golf, just trying to make how one completes a hole in disc golf to be as uncomplicated as it is in ball golf. To me, more uncomplicated = more fair. Pipe dream , yeah. You'd have to retro-fit everything, but in the long run, these new "baskets" would be a lot cheaper to make and the sport would be more fair.

still dont get why there isnt a standard basket for dg pro tour events

I could have sworn that, while watching jomez a year or two ago, the topic of using smaller baskets like bullseyes kept coming up, because disc golf was getting too easy for the pros. So now we need baskets that catch absolutely everything? Which is it?

Just make the basket under the chains a little larger on prodigy baskets…

No basket is perfect. People always complain and there will always be spit outs. That said I am starting to think these Prodigy baskets may be worse than most.

There is a comparison to type of bat and/or glove you can wear in baseball, type of racket or paddle you can use and not use in racquet sports.