Brodie Explains His and Paul’s Situation | Debate Night 53 

You still have to play me at DeLa for $300 though. Matt accepted the challenge for you

I am reminded of a few good rules/agreements that everyone should make for themselves: (1) be impeccable with your speech-don’t lie about yourself or others because when you do so you create poison; (2) don’t take anything personally-whatever anybody else does is more about them than you, and when you take it personally, you expose yourself to being poisoned and/or manipulated, and worse, you ripen the conditions for lacking an ability to extend forgiveness, so you end up hurting yourself over a long duration, usually making it worse with your own actions, instead of putting an issue to rest; and (3) don’t make assumptions-assumptions expose us to negative energy and unjust opinions not based on fact, and this is due mostly to fear, so we can end up expending insane amounts of energy and create terrible destruction based on things that are only happening in our own minds, not to mention exposing ourselves to manipulation yet again. I have to be honest. This issue doesn’t involve me, but it seems like there is a substantially significant assumption that has been made, and that is fueling a major part of the problem. I understand Brodie being upset about moving to VA, but you have to appreciate that Paul is whom he is on tour, and you never know what he is going to feel and what he feels he needs to do-but I can definitely understand Brodie not being pleased. However, the issue with the two friends saying a third party (who isn’t Paul) did something that Paul is assumed to be lying about and/or having any real control over just leaves me with more questions than really anything (you don’t know for a fact that Paul has firsthand knowledge of anything or felt like he had control over anything, or even felt as if it were his responsibility). And frankly…..I am not at all interested in all this drama between Brodie and Paul (or the appearance of drama generated by one party). I don’t need to know any of this, neither does the average person, and it just contributes a negative message-sorry, but true. The best thing for Paul and Brodie to do is put everything behind them and try to be friends. Look, I’m sorry if this is insensitive, but unless Paul himself did the thing Brodie is talking about, unfriending him for life over it is not the right thing to do. We all at times could be better friends and we all wish we had certain things to do over. Holding a grudge based on assumptions based on what people say isn’t going to help in any way. And frankly, I get that some things were said in the video, but I don’t think this cleared the air or is the right way to clear the air.

@@MF-fg3lj jfc get a job dude.

@@discblaster9210 have a great one 😉….just a bit dismayed at what I see and hoped to offer a bit of wisdom.

@@MF-fg3lj just calling it out... The 4 Agreements is a book every athlete should read. Thats where these rules/agreements are from

People who hate on Brody because he's a "frat boy" are just butt hurt that they never made varsity. He's a very honest and hard working guy who seems like a fun hang. He's one of the best things to happen to disc golf from a building a fan base stand point.

No he didn't. Everything they said we already knew, but the most important detail that caused the beef is still unknown 21:00

@@FaithfulMC if I was a betting man, the “friend” was Nick Carl

@@Footfaultguy what would a betting man say he did? Hook up with Kelsey?

@@FaithfulMC yep, that’d be a good guess, he says himself and his family come before everything and it was on a very personal level. The Nick and Matt show (podcast with Nick Carl) also stepped away from foundation about the same time.

@@Footfaultguy The pinned comment from Nick says it was not him.

Bruh

How high are you

I did immediately think it had do to with Nick Carl lol Would also make sense why the nick and Matt show stepped away from foundation too

@@Luke-cp9cb this was my same thought but Nick seems like such a solid dude

@@Luke-cp9cb I immediately thought Nick Carl as well.

You've heard of shock and awe, welcome to clank and yeet.

Trevor needs to caddy Konnor as team breakfast nook and have hunter caddy Silas as team chicken corndog

That's gonna be hype!

I Respect that, Collin. You've got a good head on your shoulders

Listen im not defending anyone, BUT we have only heard his take, we haven't heard Paul's or the real story. We still don't know what happened, shit we still don't know what happened with Zach.

@@Therealyoda34 except that Hunter corroborated the story that they didn’t know Paul was gonna leave to do his own thing. Now I can see Paul coming up with good reasons on why he decided to do that, but it’s still shitty to have not given a heads up to say hey I may end up doing my own thing. If anything I’d assume it just moved faster than expected and he wasn’t sure how to address it.

@@HouseOfMontague1 wait so the other person who has a financial stake with Brodie is supporting he did nothing wrong and that is suppose to matter? Not taking any shots at Hunter but it benefits Hunter and Foundation abosultey zero to disagree with Brodie, in fact it would be incredibly negative if he did. It only makes sense if he supports brodie, they are in this together. I dont follow foundation anymore, I stopped when Zach disappeared and then Paul did, then the channel went a different direction, which is ok, not complaining about it, it's just not what I want to watch. Even Hunter brings up that Brodie changed the direction of the channel and its not what the planned or what Paul was trying to do, but they didn't see that Paul couldn't keep up? Brodie says nothing radically changed in those months leading up, buy from Him and Hunter it seemed the direction went from local to worldwide, Seems pretty radical of a change to me. That being said, since Brodie came to disc golf he has disappeared from news for a long time now, when was the last time he was relevant besides when he was around Paul? Now there is beef and it's all Paul was the problem? Seems convenient that the beef is mentioned a bunch of times pretty quickly after being dormant for so long and, wow, Brodie is in the news again! I'm not saying there isn't beef, I'm not saying Paul wasn't the problem, he very well may be. What I am saying is basing an opinion off of only 1 side is silly, for all you know Brodie could be lying out of his ass, he could also be telling the truth. Personally hearing his story a lot doesn't really add up properly, it fits but feels like a lot is missing. He speaks a lot without actually saying much. He talks about not wanting this drama out there but who made it? Who kept posting it? Who made it public? All him, he doesn't get points for not wanting the drama out there after he built the fire and lit it...

@@Therealyoda34 Yes many times in my life experience you hear someone’s side of the story the way Brodie is doing here, you hear them out and it makes sense and you finally decide you agree with their side and support them. But then, you hear the second person’s extended deeper version of story & you then think oh I didn’t know that part then now your support the second persons story instead! People do a great job of making themselves sound valid when they get to tell you the story the way they want to and make you agree with them. But sometimes also what you realize is both sides are valid. It usually is just communication problems. I think this Hunter guy would go along with Brodie obviously in this video any way and it corroborates nothing. It seems in my opinion Paul was very busy, had too much other stuff happening and didn’t have the time to focus on what the plans and to communicate with Brodie and them on everything. On other hand, Brodie is a social media guy and he automatically thought the idea was to do more of online stuff, but Paul wanted local scene and the two never realized the two ideas would clash like that. I think both people are valid and it’s misunderstanding. Bet they will get over it in a couple years. I think men forget the emotions of the happening after awhile and just want to have fun again and move on pretty quickly. But women I would not say this lol probably would rarely have the ability to move on from it lol. I do wish I was straight but things like this is what makes me happy I am not lol I do not have to deal with that tbh.

@@Therealyoda34 He admitted to not handling the drama well and starting it. And now says he wants to avoid the drama to avoid another situation like this. If he apologized and admitted to starting the online beef, Id say that's a step in the right direction. I agree that we need both sides of the story though. But a lot of people disappear from social media for times and then come back. I'm not trying to be rude, you have some very valid points. I'm not a huge social media guy to be honest, so genuine question, has Paul said anything about it?

Tru

yes, real men start drama on social media and when the shit starts heading in their direction then they apologize amazing example.

They moved back to DFW a month or so ago...so he's back!!!

Now THAT would be interesting. I bet Zach isn’t a Brodie fan…

This is the story we need

Yes! The guy literally had to sign an NDA and couldn’t even make a disc golf related video for x amount of months after he was bought out.

@@purv989 the Brodie clan who only know disc golf for 2 years don’t know about Biscardi or Brofive

Maybe that was the mutual friend

Nikko brings passion to the game that no one else does. Whether you like it or not that will grow the sport much more then subdued emotionless players like James and Calvin.

Great as each of them are of course…

I absolutely agree with you man I was a college baseball player and I am a very competitive person and I love baseball more than anything in this world but the vibes of disc golfing for me is like so calming and it’s just so much fun and relaxing to me and all the people I’ve interacted with have been pretty much amazing except one guy he was just a clear asshole out of the hundreds I’ve met and I can say that is true for any other sport I’ve played

The problem is, a contract wouldn't had changed anything. You ant force someone to be a good business partner. That is always part of doing business, you have to trust.

Nah it was an opportunistic punt anyway. He lost a little bit moving furniture but still owns his equity

You'd think that but this isn't the first time this has happened with Brodie, so now he has a pattern of not being a good business partner himself. He's good on his own, but struggles working with others.

@@capnhook33_ pipe down

Crew 42 rocks.... love the local West Michigan coverage.

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He flat out said Paul was associated with a close friend who did something terrible to Kelsey and didn’t stop it..then lied about it. Unless Paul admits to it….it’s his version and some might call that slander

@@davidgoater2181 slander of an unnamed person.

@@keiichi1 no sir. That’s slander against Paul. He was witness to, didn’t stop, and lied about whatever event.

@@davidgoater2181 we’ve got a disc golf lawyer here…

@@ShaneAlan1 Obviously you didnt read the whole thing. So, clown reply. Gfys. Edit: you're the type of person that I didnt want infesting my sport.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL If you think brodie is humble you have no understanding of the concept.

facts like wtf am i here

Huge facts

Keep slingin them circles...

I mean technically it would be your first offense in the eyes of the law. Not defending Paul’s point of view, but I can understand where he’s coming from.

I kind of agree but I don't think that makes him an a-hole just "an emotionally challenged individual" but it's hard to fathom how he managed to avoid adressing that all these years. I don't understand how he managed to be so good while perching his emotional state on the edge of a blade all the time and I think the "nervous energy" emanating from him during even his good rounds can't possibly be good for him. Obviously he should have sorted his stuff over a decade ago but let's not forget about all the players, officials and TD's who flat out didn't enforce the rules all these years. I hope he comes back with some harmony and stability to his mental state and I think it will ultimately be good for him but it might be wierd at first to not have that bi-polarish rollercoaster during play and it just might be an addiction to that feeling.

@@Flakzor123 no him robbing people who gave him a place to stay on tour and disappearing in the middle of the night is what makes nikko a piece of shit.

No, but in the eye of the law it is your first offense and the punishment should also be accordingly.

Let's not also forget he was apparently also being incredibly difficult after the round when the PDGA confronted him. It's not JUST what we saw on camera.

the mystery beef must be uncovered. Brodie starts with saying he cares about himself and his family above everything and a mutual friend of him and Paul did something wrong to hurt that. So someone hurt Brodie financially? or talked bad about him or his wife? Paul could have stopped it but did nothing.

Agreed. At the end of the day, I hope Nikko realizes this is all on him. Somewhere, Bradley Williams is probably pissed off that Nikko's suspension is only 9 months. I don't understand all the back and forth regarding whether a fine should come in play. He will be missing some tournaments and that's gonna hurt his pocketbook. He still has every right to go and make some money through different avenues. It's not like the committee made up the rules on the fly. Maybe the policy needs to be tweaked, but this sport is unique due to the disparity from the top players to the lower ranked players.

@@bradberger3093 Hopefully Bradley isn't thinking that, seems like he's grown up and matured enough to brush it off - constantly comparing yourself to others and in his case comparing suspension times for actions on the course can only result in negative outcomes.

@@LetterToVoltaire Agreed. Hopefully it's water under the bridge for him.

Then you probably shouldn’t be a Brodie fan. Drama has done nothing but follow him around since he’s been in the disc golf scene.

@@sriousprobs477 if Paul lead him to believe he would stick around that 100% screwed Brodie over. From what multiple people have said Paul was just like, "I'm out." out of nowhere.

@@sriousprobs477 being a man has nothing to do with it.

@@sriousprobs477 I've had to make similar decisions for my family. Thing is I always gave plenty of notice and was clear about my intentions. It's called having integrity.

If you walked in his shoes day end and day out you Might feel different about it .

@@paul.etedder2439 that pretty much goes for most things.

@@paul.etedder2439 If you were Paul McBeth, you would agree with yourself? What a revelation.

If Paul is who I think he is, he won't comment. This is not worth anyone's time

Does it really matter?

i dont watch religiously or anything but it felt like as soon as the paul announcement of leaving foundation there was an issue, and then nick and matt went separate ways as well. i just assumed was issue but was all very low key til this week they just got on with life so thats where apology comes in of brodie of it had been festering and he hadnt let it go. now it open more likely people move on

Brodie is a greedy immature drama llama who cares about his brand and making $. I don't think Paul can be at fault for wanting out of Foundation cuz what they had originally intended it to be wasn't where it was going, and that only changed when Brodie and Hunter saw all the potential $$$, that isn't what Paul signed up for

Paul started as a baseball player, and I hate to say it, but baseball coddles its assholes if they're good enough. A lot of the coaches and probably most of the management are assholes too. It's probably a hard mindset to shake.

You are 100% correct sir. You’re the first person I’ve seen publicly say this.

You're 100% wrong. Nikko did nothing wrong and Paul being an extremely calm headed and non self righteous human being, knows that Nikko did nothing wrong

@@daltonbarrett6404 nikko did nothing that warranted a 9 month suspension. But it did deserve a penalty of some sort…and he doesn’t need Paul to speak for him in this instance.

@@davidgoater2181 maybe ejection from the tournament where the incident occured. Anything past that is cruel and unusual punishment. And Nikko doesn't need Paul to stick up for him, but that's not what Paul was doing. Paul was just explaining what the rules actually are, and wouldn't ya know, the rules land on Nikkos side. So no Paul wasn't "enabling" anyone as the original poster claimed and you stated was 100% correct.

A dunk tank is 100% what disc golf needs to get people to watch tournaments in person

This was exactly what I was going to say. You would think as a friend he would be honest before Brodie moved, but maybe he figured it could work out. It is a shame how it played out really.

Seems like we got one side of the story.

@@purv989 if i moved my family across the country and a close friend didnt say they were gonna leave the business thus hurting the business i would cut them out of my life real quick. He could have stayed in Dallas and handled online stuff but sacrificed for the growing business so they could make content. Thats jacked up

Maybe I just think that maybe Hunter went into a little bit more detail than what Brody was going to say

Brodie was spilling the beans. Someone give Ezra a call. That's sacrilege!

Most definitely a cup of Coffee

@@ZachBiscardi love seeing Biscardi Disc Golf in the foundation comments!

@@ZachBiscardi really? Y were there? You tasted it? Geezus dude, this isn't the Sherlock Holmes detective hour. It's a play on words....sipping tea a spilling it. You must be fun at parties. "AcTuAlLy!"

@James Carrier It was a joke. Which everyone got, except you unfortunately. And since I know Hunter well, yes, it was coffee.

I don't know that that's fair either. 10% of a top guy's income is close to 10k. 10% of a top 20 guy's income could be near 2k. 10% of a top 50 guys income could be less than 1k. If they all did the same thing, are those fines fair?

@@tpbailey08 it’s a tough one to be sure. This I think would be more fair though than a flat $5k fine though, which hurts the top 50 guy a whole lot more than the top 10 guy.

@@Unknown-rb3ip going to jail for breaking the law takes away a person’s ability to provide as well, but that’s what happens. There should obviously be discretion used in sentencing so the punishment fits the crime, as there is a lot of gray area here. But to take fines off the table entirely is a bit silly.

@@ericjenkins1909 you just gave a great example of how poor the American prison system is. Men get locked up for not paying child support and then are expected to backpay it when they get out. We shouldn’t base a new system on a clearly failed system that has only gotten worse.

@@Unknown-rb3ip let’s go another route then. If disc golf is someone’s livelihood, it is their job like any other. If I behaved like that at my place of work, I’d surely be fired. Is that fair? Maybe, maybe not. Hence the need for discretion in the gray areas. However, no one is entitled to keep doing their job, if they commit offenses that warrant termination or suspension. Do I agree with how the Nikko situation was handled? Not really, no. But it’s down to the degree of the punishment, not the need for punishment itself.

Nikko isn’t the topic, he was just the excuse for them to let it out..finally. It’s been months building up

Just throw drivers

Dude….I had a couple of those a few weeks ago…haaa…it was like I literally just turned and threw it 90 degrees to the right. All the broz were speechless…I was immediately elected President of the Board of the Shank of the Month Club

I threw a shot yesterday that went 300 feet right and 30 feet behind me. Seriously

@@markwiggins2754 I swear the hot weather makes me grip lock more I have no idea why you would think it wouldn’t because my hands are sweaty and shit but fuck warm weather😂

@@bobbyshizz2138 impressive

Also the major sports leagues have historically sheltered their assholes, if they're stars. This greatly decreases their ability to crack down now. The PDGA is not in that situation, and should take a stance against dickishness now to avoid finding themselves on a slippery slope.

If you can't handle the players, don't volunteer to be an official.

@@daltonbarrett6404 bad take

@@daltonbarrett6404 "handle the players"? These aren't toddlers in a day care requiring any sort of handling. These are adult professionals who should act accordingly.

Need to just let the volunteers punch nikko out when he throws tantrums. Problem solved.

They 100% have the means to do it I think they might just be waiting a year or so to implement it but it's pretty shady with not knowing where all the money is being allocated towards

@@eggward5094 what money lol. Disc golf has no money.

​@@calebread6966 ledgestone has money. they have the biggest payout of a non major and donate 150000 to charity. the td sells discs all year long for fundraising.it has turned more into a business than a tournament.nate heinold has the money.

@@calebread6966 you thinking ledgestone, the pro tour and dgn has zero money is naive. They keep all that under wraps just to give a low quality product specifically dgn

Did it really happen on the 18th hole of the last round right after he just threw out of bounds? (Read that somewhere) if that’s the case nikko was totally justified getting pissed bc you and I know he was prob taking that much time all weekend and getting called out at the last minute is ridiculous. That being said, the way he reacted is not acceptable although it was entertaining, but he should not have been stroked if the circumstances are like I heard.

@@thebr0wnhornet it was on the 18th hole, but it wasn't the last round.

@@endermetal also he had been warned earlier in the round about taking too much time.

Exactly. It’s not complicated. That is just the consequences/result of those actions. In most situations that individual gets fired and loses his income

@@tomwood1400 9 months is too long no matter who it is.

It wasn't brought up because it's not really important to the story. The main beef is that Paul didn't tell Brodie his intentions prior to Brodie moving his family from their home. Paul knew Brodie was moving. And Paul knew he was going to leave Foundation. The proper thing would have been for Paul to have a conversation with Brodie prior to the move, not after. For the reasons you mentioned, no one would blame Paul for leaving Foundation. But Paul did not behave in the manner you would expect from a good friend.

Its three dunces that still don’t know how to run a business. If you have a GOAT partner, you don’t ever bother him ever except for to send him dividends. These guys are dumb

Oh I disagree