I like the idea of this however I do wonder how fast do we really need to get footage to an editor. I think clients need to be slowed down rather than giving them reasons to expect edits even sooner. Also for a lot of small production companies does it make sense to have an editor sitting around waiting for the rushes to come through when they could be getting on with another edit and just edit what you’re currently shooting the next day?
Sports teams are adopting this same workflow and have had a significant increase in social media engagement being able to get highlights out to fans while the game is still live. This is also valuable not only for editors but ANYONE on set. These proxies can be reviewed from anywhere and anyone with a mobile phone can see. This means people who cannot make it to set can almost see live what is going on on the set so if something isn't correct they can adjust without being there. Talent can see themselves on set and review takes, etc. There are tons of use cases beyond turnaround time.
This seems like an interesting solution. I could see it working great for news teams or any type of event coverage that needs super fast turnarounds. I would be curious to se who’s reliable it is in the field. Thanks for sharing Armando! Hope you are well my bro!
You can use it for remote producer dailies. I just did a job with the Sony Venice 2 and the Teradek 655 using the FrameIO C2C workflow and it worked perfectly in the field as long as you have a decent network connection.
Hello Kevin Le, Please note that Mavis And NDI HX support is on the way and will be available very soon. Stay tuned to our social media platforms for the most up-to-date announcements. Cheers! Atomos
Let’s say you send that footage over and the editor starts editing with the proxies. Is it as simple as locating the raw footage after and re connecting it?
Currently limited to 1080p RU-vid livestreaming resolution correct? I'm currently using the Yolo Pro which is also limited to 1080p but at least has the SIM card option which I definitely use for streaming projects in the field
Hello Stop the Fomo, Yes, you are correct that we are currently outputting 1080p up to 60 frames per second on live streaming platforms, which is the standard resolution at the moment, however, we have submitted your feedback the for Sim card option to our relevant department so they can take your suggestion into consideration! Thank you once more, and please do not hesitate to contact us if you require any further assistance. Cheers! Atomos.
On sets instead of wifi data if one can connect it directly to an ip with Mac id and transfer it directly to a spot editor's setup, It'll be great. No data wasted. Yet the editor can show cuts to the Director without moving much. So one can reshoot without changing the setup too. This will save time and the film edit progresses in real time.
Unfortunately that's not how it works. It round-trips everything through Internet servers, not even directly through Wi-Fi. So if you're in the field away from a good Internet connection... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Hello!! Does this monitor automatically record simultaneously with the camera when working with a wireless transmitter? If so, can I transfer images to the cloud like this? Thank you..
Hey buddy, one question: would it have any way to send it to a RX (lets say, connected to a video mixer) and receive the wireless video in real time for live streaming?
Do you have to be recording externally for the signal to submit video to the cloud? Just curious if it has to be recording or just receiving an HDMI signal.
How are the fans on these monitors? I eventually got rid of all of my Atomos products because of the fan noise. That, and the power hungry nature of them.
I see you had an upgrade to your FX3 rig. The most interesting change is the V-Mount battery placement. Why did you switch from Titon Base? Doesn’t the current configuration make it difficult to use the LCD? And can you please name the left and right handles? Which brands?
@@mondobytes, I already started building a rig for my new FX3. I am looking forward for your new video to hear your justifications on the choices. I hope you will publish it before I make my purchases next week.)) These are what I would like to see: 1. Comparison with similar products from other brands(e.g. Smallrig half-cage vs Kondor Blue cage) and why you went with a particular brand 2. Alternative ways of mounting the monitor and why your method(magic arm) works better than others 3. How well does the rig work with different configurations(gimbal, shoulder, tripod/dolly, teleprompter etc.) and how easy to modify it
So I'm curious to know if I have multiple Atomos monitors with the Atomos connect module on the back, do I need to have a cloud service to get the monitors to communicate with each other or do I only need to register them over the local Wi-Fi? Or do I even have to register on a local Wi-Fi for the monitors to communicate with each other and transmit their signal to a directors monitor? So for example, if I have two monitors, let's say they are ninja 5.2 with the live connect, will I be able to broadcast to a Shogun 7 with connect and get dual screen viewing without the Atomos cloud paid service?
Used a beta of this back in January on a shoot, and Frame IO bug renamed all the proxies. Editor had to relink hundreds of clips manually to relink to the Raw. RIP!
This sound cool. But when I eventually get the master camera footage (not the Atmos recorded masters) back to the studio, will I be able to relink the Premiere Pro cut (edited with the proxy files from Frame IO) with, say Arri or Red footage with (what I assume will be) different files names but presumably the same timecode?
Hi thank for the video, i want to ask. How if i have multiple camera? Let say 4 camera. Should i buy 4 atomos ninja with 4 atomos connect? I need to record all in raw
Hi GRIMAN, Please note that at the moment The Atomos Connect with Ninja V or Shogun Connect does not have the ability to wirelessly transmit a video signal directly to another monitor. Atomos.
I use FCPX but it looks like there is a Frame IO plugin for FCPX and DaVinci. At the end of the day, Adobe wants money,lol. They will allow it to work.
Has anyone tried the Zato with a canon c100? The zato doesn’t seem to recognize when the c100 is connected. I tried using different hdmi cables but still nothing.
Amigo una cosulta.. tengo un ninja v, y quiero comprar el cable de energía , cual es la diferencia entre el (COILED D-TAP TO LOCKING DC 2.1MM RIGHT ANGLE CABLE) y (COILED D-TAP TO LOCKING DC 2.5MM RIGHT ANGLE CABLE) de kondor blue.. entre 2.1mm y 2.5 mm el pin?
Is there anything in place to keep the proxy upload going if wifi connectivity drops? Or say we are shooting b-roll inside then go outside for a few clips away from wifi does it continue uploading again once back on wifi later?
They can use mobile phone data over a cord too and also some have ethernet built in or with a usb type c to ethernet adapter giving you 3 ways to upload
But can it also connect via Wifi to another monitor for low budget Directors monitor viewing? if not then I would rather they just kept making the SDI module. Ultimately I wish they had not discontinued the SDI module.
I would love to know what are some actions that will troubleshoot this cloud base ecosystem. Say if operator somehow deleted some files in camera, swap monitors between different camera and so on. I'd love to know what to be aware of to not mess up the system. THX
Is there a way to upload the Proxies to your own hosted server and also integrate this server into the workflow? I’m from Europe and I can already hear all the GDPR concerns within our company when using an external or even US based cloud service (no offense). Actually no concerns, rather a clear NO.
What's the build quality like? Has anyone actually used this yet in the field? I haven't been able to see a full review of it and the reviews of them say that they don't have the features for the C2C or live streaming yet...
which brings me to the MOST important question. Why doesn't makers see THIS AS AN IMPORTANT feature to include with their cameras ?? at which point will the makers engage cameramen in their Design stage...
Great overview of this products Armando. For a setup with an FX3 which option would you recommend better for a use case where streaming events would be the main use case. The Shogun Connect or the Ninja V+ with the Connect accessory? Cheers!.
The Shogun is more robust in the sense you have more inputs but also a larger display. Just really depends on your workflow. I like to use the NinjaV+ personally
Hi Krzysztof Kliszewski, Please note that Mavis support is on the way and will be available very soon. Stay tuned to our social media platforms for the most up-to-date announcements. Cheers! Atomos.
Thanks for the video! This will really help keep people invested in Adobe. I hope they can make it a stable workflow so creators will continue to have different post production options.
Hello Jacob Salas, Yes, you can livestream multi camera inputs using AtomX Cast and Shogun 7 with Zato connect, or any PGM out can be plugged into connect devices to make your multi camera inputs live on your preferred live streaming platform. If this helps, please let us know. Cheers! Atomos
The cloud features are great, but the live video features kinda suck. Still limited to RTMP and no support for SRT, which would not only be a more stable connection, but can cut down the bandwidth in half when paired with HEVC.
Regardless, the option for HEVC would be nice for the livestream aspect. H.264 isn't as compressed and as good for streaming. Really useful in combination with SRT for lower bandwidth and transmitting over cellular.
The files don’t get sent to Premiere Pro directly, it uses FrameIO. You can use FrameIO with any NLE. The difference is that Adobe integrated it into Premiere Pro so you don’t have to take an extra step
The Atomos products generate their own timecode. Timecode makes a lot of sense in the C2C workflow. As you learn from the video, Shogun Connect and Ninja with the Atomos Connect option record 2 files. One is the "Hero" file the other one is the proxy version that gets uploaded to frame io. The proxy has precisely the same filename & timecode; this is managed by the Atomos device. If you start your timeline in the editor first with the proxy, but you like to reconnect later to the Hero file, it's just 2 mouse clicks because your editor will recognize the files automatically. Btw: The proxies uploaded to frame io already have a good quality, enough to use straight in social postings without waiting for the Hero files.
Basically Atomos just introduced a new product that is going to increase the gap between beginner filmmakers and bigger production companies, so, practically there is no reason for the clients to pick up the first option. Good stuff👍
There's something I've been asking myself since the introduction of the ZATO Connect, but I didn't yet have the chance to try it, does the ZATO connect support camera to cloud? I personally don't care for external recording on my projects, but camera to cloud is a really fascinating feature that I would like to get my hands on, and the ZATO connect seems like a perfect way to do so in a very lean way. Have you tested camera to cloud on the ZATO connect? does it work? does it still support the same naming pattern of the in camera clips?
Hello Phil Brown, Please note that at the moment The Atomos Connect with Ninja V or Shogun Connect does not have the ability to wirelessly transmit a video signal directly to another monitor. However ATOMOS has developed a full implementation of the amazingly efficient NDI®|HX standard for ATOMOS CONNECT and SHOGUN CONNECT. NDI technology has been developed to make communication between devices on local network (LAN) easy to setup, provide refined encoding, and deliver frame accurate video. Initial support will be for NDI|HX encode (to act as an NDI source or transmission device) and with a software update later this year ATOMOS will introduce NDI|HX decode (to receive the NDI source signal for viewing and recording). This will enable customers to share the picture between multiple devices locally and select a specific device (or devices) to record the NDI encoded file. If this helps, please let us know. Atomos
Cancel all those buy a ccsoon seemo if u have iPhone and just accsoon mate if android, use your phone as a screen and do everything and more this can do including streaming with a better screen for 150(iphone) android(80bno joke!!) probelm solved its best tech eve bought!!!
The Red V-Raptor and Fujifilm X-H2S will be the first cameras to have frame io integrated in-camera, without the need to purchase additional hardware. This is the future of filmmaking!
