These Black Metal Riffs are BORING

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Mayhem and Darkthrone wrote boring riffs? Legendary music everyone of us loves!
Let's try to make them a little better while jamming around and finding some ideas.
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@a.s.2322 Год назад

For me, the Transilvanian Hunger riff is one of the most iconic riffs, cant believe people voted for it being boring. :D

@HatingAmericans225 Год назад

its probably because it repeats too much

@blackheavyblans Год назад

But sometimes less is more.

@roruso6854 Год назад

0 chord progression boring asf not challenging at all

@a.s.2322 Год назад

@@roruso6854 What challenge are you talking about? This album is supposed to be minimalistic and monotonous. If you want chord progression, maybe jazz is the right music for you.

@vicenteraira Год назад

@@a.s.2322 Dude is wanting Polyphia or what? lol

@priceyblackwinter2338 Год назад

While I like what you’re doing, I definitely think the genius of these songs is their simplicity. They’re stark, cold, and brutal. They make their statement, convey what they have to, and don’t indulge. That’s what black metal is about

@withonforafteratbyin Год назад

AGREED!

@BlastMcRiff Год назад

A large part of what's wrong with metal in general is that everyone is afraid of looking like an unimpressive musician. It's easy to let your ego negatively influence your music

@priceyblackwinter2338 Год назад

@@BlastMcRiff facts- they forget to make songs memorable and instead hide behind soulless, technical riffs

@BlastMcRiff Год назад

@@priceyblackwinter2338 The thing with technical riffs is, they're great when used properly. It's just when everything is flashy, it ends up losing its lustre. Anyone can write a bad primitive riff, but when you can write a good one it stands out much more

@mrfunnyjoke Год назад

I agree. My favorite black metal riffs are always the simple ones. Darkthrone and burzum master it.

@TheTransylvanian Год назад

The riff of Transylvanian hunger is such a soothing melody it’s one of those songs that relaxes me

@77blacktrip Год назад

Same. I use that album to get off to sleep

@TheUnderscope 6 месяцев назад

Agree. For me it's more akin to classical music than metal

@user-wg3ef1jt4e Год назад

The older i become, the more i realize, that simplicity is actually complex. There is something in alot of us that wants to keep adding to a riff or a song, when in reality we might be trying too hard

@bigolboomerbelly4348 4 месяца назад

Totally agree. The hardest thing in all music is writing something novel yet simple. It's a mark of greatness of a composer.

@Nibblerr 2 месяца назад

I get what you're saying but simplicity is not complex. Lack of complexity is not complex. Being aware of different things you could do but decide not to do it yields the same end result as not knowing it to begin with.

@gombka1144 Год назад

I think that your version of transilvanian hunger would be WAY better with second guitar playing normal version to those single notes, when they are there alone it kinda loses the wall of sound effect and dorsn't really fit the rest of the song, but your version of freezing moon was fantastic!

@lainroseheart Год назад

agreed 100%! especially the higher notes in the ladder half of the altered th riff felt like they lost a lot of the "body" of the sound. would love to hear it doubled up

@TheCrucialMetalistMrToxic Год назад

Transylvanian Hunger is definitely one of the coolest black metal riffs of all time… play it normal & it’s iconic - add to it & it sounds like a Dissection riff.

@JoaoSergio7 Год назад

To me, Transilvanian Hunger always evoked the idea of being alone and wandering (or being lost) in a dark, cold, snow covered forest in a starless night. You can feel the stark cold, the freezing winds, the lingering evil, the looming darkness and the inherit melancholy of it all. This riff needs the simple melody and space to create this sort of hypnotic repetition that builds all the atmosphere. I remember Varg talking about writing with the same kind of approach for albums like Hvis Lyset Tar Oss. These songs were what one could call "proto atmospheric black metal". Trying to make a riff like Transilvanian Hunger more "busy" ends up killing it's quintessence. In the other hand, your version of Freezing Moon actually worked much better than one might expect.

@Kanelipulla420 Год назад

Killing it’s quintessence… hmm… I see what you did there

@Selynn. Год назад

Anyone who shits on the classics shouldn't even be taken seriously.

@Farvann Год назад

That sounds pretty elite, but I know what you mean

@j4yd34d5 Год назад

today Farvann discovers that Transilvanian Hunger is immaculate and immune to improvement, nice attempt though :)

@MetalMF0508 Год назад

I enjoy transilvanian hunger because of the main simplistic melodic riff, it works well. Is it simple? Yes but not all black metal needs to be riff crazy to achieve is goal, because if all black metal tried to be that way then it would get boring like death metal can often be

@aaronmartinez5029 Год назад

Except Death. Most death metal bands are too repetitive with the same lyrical themes.

@joshwolf5377 Год назад

@@aaronmartinez5029you can realistically say that about any genre lol. Thrash metal : Blood beer mosh arrrgh , Black Metal: Blegggh Satan , Death Metal: *Pig squeal* Decapitationnn, body dismemberment, eyeball dischargeee

@planecrazybuilder4234 Год назад

@@joshwolf5377that’s fax though I enjoy death metal and black metal and there’s always the same topic: black metal: Satan death metal: Satan or cannibal type shit

@joshwolf5377 Год назад

@@planecrazybuilder4234 yeah I enjoy BM, Death, and Thrash lol. But a lot of bands follow the typical stereotypes sometimes to a corny level lol

@altnap Год назад

Freezing moon is one of the only mayhem songs I actually like. Edit: why do all the comments I make shitting on mayhem get so much attention 😭

@metalhead7319 Год назад

I Am Thy Labyrinth is one of their greatest songs.

@stephantiede9779 Год назад

Funeral fog rules

@altnap Год назад

@@metalhead7319 I feel like my ears just got sexually assaulted. It’s good.

@heavymetalmusicmanor Год назад

Nope all mayhem songs are amazing

@sepulchralvoice833 Год назад

Come on, Funeral Fog, Pagan fears, deathcrush....

@gabrielepesacane5430 Год назад

Wait, isn’t the Freezing Moon riff written with power chords instead of single notes? That’s how I always played it

@christophedenisleet3007 Год назад

Me too lol

@Nori440 Год назад

This was amazing to watch. I personally don't think those riffs are boring per se but yeah. Amazing video as always Farvann :)

@daario4278 Год назад

per say

@lukasmisanthrop8557 Год назад

per say

@RobHellfire666 Год назад

* Per sé. 😉

@Nori440 Год назад

@@RobHellfire666 thx 👍

@chaoticneutral1090 11 месяцев назад

I like thst you didnt make many cuts while figuring it out on camera, very cool that your vids are just keeping it real

@kmerk000 Год назад

Thanks, Farvann! I discovered a new approach to create my own riffs😄

@MrBX5 Год назад

What you said at the end also applies to Key to the Gate by Burzum. The beginning is horrible and Varg has said it himself that it was intentional so that it contrasts well with the second part of the song which is more melodic.

@iwannapayback 11 месяцев назад

To say that the Freezing Moon riffs (or any riffs from the DMDS album) are boring is to admit that one has completely missed the point. The lifelessness, repetitiveness ad absurdum and somnabulic vibes is exactly what makes these riffs immortal and legendary. These traits are absolutely constitutive for them and they just could not have been written otherwise because the album wouldn´t work. The slow, doomish passage on Freezing Moon gives me chills everytime I hear and I´m sure it always will. And it was meant to be exactly like that. It´s fine to say that one dislikes them, but to say that they are boring is just sheer misunderstanding. The same for Transilvanian Hunger.

@louisyoung1916 Год назад

Those worked better than I would have expected. A nice peek into Farvann's songwriting technique, too. And as a bonus, Flashback Friday brings you dial-up modem noises! (1:54) 🤘🤘🙂

@JoeEnabnit Год назад

the whole reason Black Metal got started was a reaction against popular metal and "commercial death metal" which was focussed on flashy musicianship and guitar solos and so on. The austere, oppressively repetitive riffs and brutally ugly recording quality were completely intentional. Darkthrone recorded a technical death metal album in a professional studio before becoming black metal, then they proceeded to record in Fenriz' living room with an old 4 track recorder. The entire Transylvanian Hunger album is literally 4 tracks played straight through (2 guitars, one bass, one drums) with vocals thrown on top

@Farvann Год назад

Yes!

@evvldvrk1music-official Год назад

i take this video as a "how to improve a riff" thing, rather than trying to change these old songs :D and yes, I agree about looking at a whole song rather than nitpicking on single riffs. great songs can have simple parts, but there are many parts to a song. 😉

@lainroseheart Год назад

will you do another one of these sorts of videos? id love to see more videos focused specifically on black metal riff-writing

@AvarTyrog Год назад

Very cool video! Would be cool to see more like this!

@gavriel.r Год назад

I think it's important to have "boring" riffs sometimes, they can kind of make you aprreciate the other more catchy parts of the song. Kind of what you said at the end of the video.

@blowtheuniverse69 Год назад

7:34 reminds me of the change at the very end of the song where it fades out where they added that short harmony, sounds more melodic (5:37 in the song)

@krum6334 Год назад

I like the melodicness you added to Transilvanian Hunger but only on its own, the beauty of the riff is that it's simple and extremely cold and it sticks in your mind, fr I always play it when I pick up the guitar.

@SpaceWhaIe Год назад

This was fun to watch, and I really enjoy seeing you coming up with music on the fly like this. The Freezing Moon changes are great, even if I still like the original a ton. The Transylvanian Hunger riff was different. It sounds like it's coming from a different type of BM if that makes sense, like the riff put it into a whole different genre that you might hear from the last 10-15 years or something.

@rodeyoshi Год назад

I don't think people think the riffs are boring, it's just that everyone has heard the songs many many times. Also, I like it when black metal is a bit repetitive and simple. Nice video though!

@ixoneeigengrau1036 Год назад

Freezing Moon went from a Mayhem song to to a Sargeist song pretty fast... And then to Funeral Mist

@MetalZoned Год назад

Transilvanian Hunger is my favorite Black Metal riff

@Doomguysdeadbunny 3 месяца назад

Same probably

@adrianmartinez-lq5he Год назад

I love funeral fog especialy that part Yes you know what it is. Transilvanian hunger riff is mesmerising hipnotic there is not other one alike it shouldnt be another one alike. In case of black metal is actually hard to separete sections since is always made by instruments working as shapes over each other, yes you can be technical in BM and take alone one riffs /drum pattern or bass patern but this genere is always composing as whole unit whit every instrument adding to a one structure and not like other metal generes where every instrument can make its thing alone

@marhofficial Год назад

Different time signatures, cleaner sound, then you have your ordo ad chao progressive type riffs. The thing you said at the end reminds me of Victor Wooten ; there is no wrong notes or wrong timing or riffs, just a matter of context.

@vincentvanghool6723 Год назад

I feel like the riff you came up with for Transylvanian Hunger you took it and gave ot to Satyricon and Emperor and told them to make a similar song together.

@abyss5229 Год назад

8:14 What about the opening riff of Key to the gate? The first 10 seconds are just hard to listen,but what a great song

@music4me200 Год назад

I find that sometimes the simplistic riffs allows my mind to wander through thoughts and images that more complex riffing seems to stifle. By the way, 1st time commenting here from Tennessee.

@Poemwriter_Angelo Год назад

i once got an emotional piano cover recommended to me from Transylvanian hunger. and when i was listening to that, i only realised how much i truly like the rif of transilvanian hunger.

@timothymckane6362 Год назад

It's so weird that those legendary 2nd Wave of Black Metal songs are considered so-called "boring" to some people on the internet. Standard Black Metal music has to have the simple riffs and melodies while portraying the sound very evil and cold. If it sounds way too flashy, it'll ruin the trve kvlt element.

@Irion666 Год назад

Farvann, what kind of mediator do you use? im just curious

@CJ-hq6zz Год назад

Our noble music is not really appreciated here in Uzbekistan, however,there is a huge black metal community in here as well,which really appreciates your content. Keep on rockin pal. Much love from a random black metal musician from Uzbekistan \../ 🇺🇿🇩🇪 \../

@agucci Год назад

Truth in simplicity. And by "Truth" I actually mean TRVTH.

@user-th3my7yp2k Год назад

Second one is absolutely amazing, worth turning into a song, call it Transylvanian Satiety

@denudenovsky Год назад

Kirk Hammet called, asked if the notes in between are fucking with you as well.😅You could have done a dyad in the Transilvanian Hunger, it would be a bit more consistent. Nice vid as always!

@louisyoung1916 Год назад

🤘😀

@dwimorbergofficial4341 Год назад

idk. i love playing transilvanian hunger on my acoustic when its raining and i have no power in my home. also Keliohesten is good example of "boring riff" that can make you go blank

@ThatGreekMF Год назад

How did you get this guitar tone¿?

@Farvann Год назад

That's my secret

@snaggletooth5844 Год назад

everything aside, how long did it take to be so good at guitar cause man i think its gonna take a while to become like that

@Farvann Год назад

I think if you practice enough, you can achieve this level in one or two years. I'm not very good actually.

@jairomartinez-ortiz2553 Год назад

For some reason when I heard the Transylvanian Hunger album for the first time, I thought Transylvanian Hunger was boring and while listening through the album, I was blown away by I en hall med flesk og mjød, even though the main riff is one note for a long time.

@realcarlspartacus 9 месяцев назад

Yeah, I love the transilvanian Hunger riff as it is... but ok for improvement as an exercise.

@michaelgiesler1896 Год назад

You could something similar the Doom Metal style: removing(!) notes from existing riffs to improve it...

@aaronsearle5809 11 месяцев назад

As much as i love to hear and play some spicy riffs but also i believe in the rule of K.I.S.S, Keep It Simple Son. Sometimes less IS more in the beautiful world of music, not to overplay, overdo riffs that dont need it, but i see what Farvann is getting to anyway, but thats what the original riffs it makes it so iconic and era defining in the genre of Black Metal itself at that time.

@emilbreidling2420 Год назад

Yessss, ich bin nicht der einzige, der sich über das wetter und die temperatur beschwert. Ich hab mich an einem black metal song versucht, also gitarre steht schonmal, aber ich brauche hilfe da einen passenden drum beat zu machen, beim gesang bin ich gerade an einem text, könntest du mir vlt. Mit den drums helfen? Feier deine musik und deinen kanal

@Farvann Год назад

Komm in die WhatsApp-Gru... äh, ich meine Discord Server. Da gibt's viele nette Leute, die gerne helfen: discord.com/invite/jzzKAm4Gd2

@emilbreidling2420 Год назад

@@Farvann ich muss sagen, ich hab deutlich negativere ressonanz erwartet, aber dass selbst octoman sagt, dass es gut ist o.0

@marcys5909 Год назад

yes these riffs can be boring when you hear to it for a hundred times haha

@user-vl7iw3in8n Год назад

I liked the result of "Transylvanian Hunger" riff transformation more than "Freezing Moon"'s one but it's just a matter of taste.

@Lotastic_Films Год назад

These riffs sounds monstrous 🤘🎸🔥

@Kanelipulla420 Год назад

Very unique video idea Farvann, I really enjoyed this.

@RAM-wv1vr 10 месяцев назад

I love both riffs. They are classics of Black Metal.

@mrfunnyjoke Год назад

Awesome video idea I love this.

@coloradowhite787b Год назад

Have you ever listened to any Progressive Black Metal stuff? Some of my favorite stuff is in that genre. A mix of Progressive and black metal is a perfect blend of entertainment because of tempo switching (fast to slow and slow to fast), time signature change, and odd time signatures to even go with the switching. Goodbye Boring 4/4 hello 7/8, 5/8, 9/8, 13/8, etc... I imagine some other Black metal bands would also use those unique time signatures too at times. (Mirrorthrone and Enslaved are the Progressive Black Metal bands I started with... Borknagar counts? ok...)

@azardes2960 Год назад

At the point "I think I'm having a good day because I'm not drunk yet..." after the "äääähm" i hoped so much there comes a cut and you open a beer 😂

@phi816 25 дней назад

Damn... how'd you get that guitar tone?

@cpfantastic5576 Год назад

How Transilvanian Hunger riff was boring? What's the matter with you people?

@willf3556 8 месяцев назад

I was always confused why freezing moon was always so much simpler than the rest of DMDS, but I saw a rehearsal tape from shortly after they released deathcrush where they played that, the eps songs, pure fucking Armageddon songs, and some primitive versions of the riffs that would become part of the rest of dmds. I suddenly realized that Freezing Moon was probably the first song they wrote after deathcrush, and so is simple like deathcrush with the black metal elements that would be refined in future songs.

@siebensunden Год назад

What's next, Ildjarn songs recreation?

@Tysandifer 7 месяцев назад

I've always thought the freezing moon riff was power chords lol, so thats how I've played it for years

@Farvann 7 месяцев назад

I mean maybe it's played differently and I am wrong 😄

@usr_alex_sin6620 Год назад

Вообще я думаю насчет Freezing moon-скучность риффа вероятнее всего связана с либо пионерией, типа первопроходцы второй волны блэк-метала. Ну либо лень. А у Transilvanian Hunger все-таки что-то есть свое, какой-то шарм. А видос годный (In general, I think about Freezing moon - the dullness of the riff is most likely due to either the pioneers, such as the pioneers of the second wave of black metal. Well either laziness. But Transilvanian Hunger still has something of its own, some kind of charm. And the vid is good)

@lonix9734 Год назад

I feel like freezing moon main riff is actually the drumming, guitar serving as a backing track

@sepeko86 Год назад

Transilvanian Hunger is perfect as it is... no need for a change

@Maedroth Год назад

Your new Freezing Moon riff was pretty good but the Transylvanian Hunger one caused me pain to listen to.

@Farvann Год назад

I take that as an honour 😄

@metaldeth166 Год назад

I'm not really into Black Metal that much but the Transylvanian Hunger riff is perfect the way it is and definitely not boring, but I may be biased since that's my favorite style of tremolo riff.

@winnittotv7197 Год назад

люблю твои видео ) продолжай в том же духе )))!!!!

@lisova_varta Год назад

IMHO that melodic part in the end of modified transilvanian hunger kinda ruined a dark and mysterious atmosphere of the song. It's way too happy for this track. Maybe you should have continued playing in the same style as in the beginning of the riff?

@amin393 Год назад

I guess it's the first video in which Farvann drinks water instead of beer

@vindictus_1230 2 месяца назад

Still like freezing moon original better but that was intuitive so I dig it

@dee-taylor Год назад

You made Transylvanian Hunger sound like Burzum

@CizerKedi Год назад

Perfect video idea.

@karimpardayev Год назад

Just apply Shatraug's or Armagedda's diads for better sound

@marcrennison5128 Год назад

Transilvanian hungers first riff has some feel to it. Don't know why people don't like it🤔.

@NevetsTSmith Год назад

Liked the mayhem one, that's probably the one weak section in a song that I otherwise really like. TH is so good as is though.

@thetruemusichead 10 месяцев назад

I love the Transylvanian Hunger riff so much. But when you isolate it, sometime it can sound almost emo-y to me.

@Gett.Rightt900 5 месяцев назад

It fucking sucks bad quality very simple 13 year olds just force themselves to like because it's "cold and dark"(shitty and repetitive)

@blackMetalPiano Год назад

Havukruunu's riff are example of NOT boring riffs

@ilikevideos4868 Год назад

Mgla and Havukruunu are the best modern black metal bands

@malkaviangrin9440 Год назад

Honestly I never heard anyone say these riffs were boring. I mean, we're talking first wave black metal here. These riffs helped invent the genre! What you did with Freezing Moon was okay, but I hate how you changed the Darkthrone riff. It seriously sounds like something I wrote when I was teaching myself guitar XD Just abysmal, sorry.

@joshua.merrill Год назад

Transylvanian Hunger is one of the best riffs ever, to me. It just has that feel I like.

@li269e 11 месяцев назад

Transilvanian Hunger и так хороша сама по себе, но и после подучилось хорошо

@dawidjanecz7315 Год назад

"Oh, that was a mistake but it sounded good" Composing a black metal song in a nutshell

@nikolajankovic921 8 месяцев назад

Problem is tuning and tone, stop playing bm only in e standard guys. U can add nirvana tremolo picking parts in this transilvanian bro ez and u will stay true in this tune tooez 😂

@antontipura2686 Год назад

Riffs are not boring, these are just the only songs someone who heard about black metal knows

@wolfmauler Год назад

A re-upload that deleted the comments?

@Farvann Год назад

I changed some tiny things in the editing - the look to be precise - so I had to re-upload it

@wolfmauler Год назад

@@Farvann Nice vid though! It's a fun practice exercise to build your own writing skills, if nothing else 🤘😉

@RandyGarciaGuitar Год назад

I think the problem with freezing moon is the intro riff drags on for too long. The riff is amazing, but play anything for too long and it gets boring. Last I remember that riff is a minute long. Shouldn't have been played more than 4 times, which I think would be like 25 seconds?

@ZauTa Год назад

A real boring DT riff is I En Hall Med Flesk Og Mjod verse riff. It has like 6.5 to 7 measures of trem picking one power chord

@d3c4yy_ Год назад

in my opinion the boringnessof transilvanian hunger roots from the riff repeating in the same structure as often and not the riff itself mb

@d3c4yy_ Год назад

"boringness "

@The6Eternal6Dark6Lord Год назад

There's some crazy people out there lol

@georgecostan3248 Год назад

"Freezing Moon" was the first 2nd Wave black metal song and got maybe, the most overplay. For 1988, when it was composed, it was as great as one such song could have been. Of course, since then, more interesting black metal was released. "Transylvanian Hunger" doesn't have the same excuse, though - the riffs are good, but the song structure is lazy, boring and overlong. The production also castrated its power.

@commentarywiseisbias 11 месяцев назад

Mayhem's My Death has probably their most ominous sounding riff, Freezing Moon clearly got them famous and started but My Death is their best in my opinion, including Rape Humanity with Pride.