Hot Takes and Unpopular Opinions on Black Metal 

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As often as you advertise this video, the amount you have to pay Bradley back for his appearance must be enormous. 😂

I would love to her your opinion on zeal and ardor

@@octomanf-zero 🤣

All he gets is a nice warm ale at a pub once I visit England again

The irony should really make us question our existence 🤣

and why a chainsaw cannot be goregrind? honestly xddd

One morning, my air conditioner was making weird grinding and clanking noises, waking up my wife, and she asked me to turn down my music I had been listening to a lot of Einstürzende Neubauten at the time 😅

Stuff like this happens to me XD It happened way too often that I was just sitting down to hold a conversation or whatever and out of nowhere "wait are my headphones still on?" No. It was random noise from outside XD

One of my fave memories was at a festival where me and my friends thought a generator next to the camp site were drums on the main stage. It legit sounded like a double bass pedal, heavy AF.

I'm not sure if it's debunked or not, but didn't they say in interviews that Dead used to actively try to kill cats?

yeah, but he said it with "ironic" smile .... anyway, Dead was right, I also dislike cats as their meat is somehow strange (prefer rabbits much more)

I dont Like Cats either.

@@themadnes5413 :((((((

Not to mention those standards that people have, they themselves don't consistently maintain because I garuntee there are songs and bands they like but won't admit to themselves and others and human beings are naturally inconsistent creatures because of our stream of consciousness. Let people like and make music they like, diversity is incredibly healthy and the natural state of the world. Expand your horizons.

@@Remedy462realest take yet

Agreed.

Based. If someone's interested and just scratched the surface, and think they've reached the apotheosis of black metal with Nymphetamine, I'll gently nudge them in the right direction. I won't throw them straight into Jew Atomizer but I'll recommend a sample box of bands to get a feel for their preferences.

@DarthMizinthI like some of the rawest shit out there. And I don’t see what’s wrong with having cradle as a fav. Myself and many many others tend to like albums more than bands. Cradle has amazing albums. Did they get corny and a bit commercial? Absolutely. Are the first 2 records and the ep in between some of the greatest albums ever? Absolutely.

Some do like at DMU/DLA, this concept is a central theme

I used to be super anal about subgenre classifications, now I don't really care as long as I like the music and I've come across so many bands where they are subgenre fluid and have multiple influences even in one single song so it is hard to classify. I'm basically like, "Yeah, I think this is mostly post-metal, but they got other stuff so fuck it, the music rips."

Yeah I have the exact same feeling about this. When I was younger I had more "purist" thoughts about what the music should sound and be for me to like it. Now that I'm over twice the age than back then, 20 years ago, I take everything in as it is. For me it's more of the "feel" what the song and/or band brings in.

NOOO my favourite band is a blend of blackened death thrash and speed metal with norwegian folk music and industrial influences and I must refer to them as such every single time I speak about them completely umprompted

@@solidago1041 LOL

hahahaha

Shhh- if you say that too loudly this series may go away too! (Joking only jokes I promise hahah)

A Burzum shirt is shocking?

@@jayceegee258 well not on most people. But on him, yes. He kinda had a this mysterious vibe you know. Like some kind of extremist being into burning churches kinda vibe. And him being so silent has kinda shown that he really might be a different person on the inside. Until i spoke to him about black metal.

@@Poemwriter_Angelo I see what you mean.. I have a Burzum shirt so I gotta make sure I don't come off like that lol

I think Burzum is shocking also because of Varg political orientation...

@@jayceegee258 I would just assume that you're a nazi sympathizer.

I've never heard anybody call Nickelback metal but then again I've never heard anybody talk about metal

I wish I were joking, there are a lot of people that feel like when they hear a distorted guitar that it automatically makes the music metal or something I swear. Discussing metal with people who enjoy metal music can be fun, but discussing metal music with the average "I like every genre of music" person that typically only listens to top radio hits can be tedious / amusing at times. @@WFly101

I've heard one or two metal songs by Nickelback, but to call either of these a metal band is ridiculous

Yeah, I call Ghost Pop Metal. They are in the metal genre, they write great, catchy music, but they are not a Metal band. They are a Pop Metal band. I do love Ghost too.

Its satanic abba metal 😂 i love ghost

Unless they are people who are not real metal and only play dress up. Real heavy metal people don’t play dress up only in concerts or for their mom, they are real people, always metal 24/7. And it is completely natural for who is real

@@peternicolini4751 you didnt understood anything from what i wrote lol - its okay

@@LePopPathetique Watch your grammar. "You didn't UNDERSTAND." Not "Didn't UNDERSTOOD."

@@peternicolini4751 You are talking about clothes, not music.

@@ThreadBomb No, I am talking EXACTLY about music. Learn the history of metal before speaking if you didn’t live it first hand. And there is no difference between the two, there cannot be one without the other, and don’t call them clothes, it is image, distinctive from the Masses. But nobody ever thought about it in reality, it was just completely natural. Metal is not only music as is not only image or philosophy. If you separate the pack, any of the pieces, it is simply NOT metal anymore. Weather the music, the image or the spirit. They are one. Only outsiders who DON’T want to sacrifice to Metal cannot understand this. It’s like the difference between bikers and civilians, just without Any club or written rule… and THIS is the Magic of Metal, what makes it special. It must be spontaneous to be real. Fake can be spotted immediately or neophytes (which are very welcome at any age if authentic). There are no written rules, but if you go too much astray it becomes simply something else. Black Metal comes from the Heavy Metal scene. Black Metal IS HEAVY METAL. Go look where Black Metal comes from. I want to share something with the younger ones here, because maybe you were not even born, in the 80’s, Before came up all these fancy names to define metal (if you are metal fans you know how many there are) there were many bands that were like Black Metal in the music and atmosphere. Just nobody called it Black Metal because the term didn’t exist yet. The more commercial the more fake, but in the underground where 1000 of bands you NEVER EVEN HEARD OF existed, there already were bands that today could have been considered Black Metal. Real Metal strives in the underground, in the local bands unknown, not in the commercial product made to sell. That is where the real metal scene is or was (not sure anymore). In the dark crapy recordings and demo cassettes and concerts of local bands in unknown abandoned places. That is Real Metal. And that is where Black Metal (only a name) came from

Coming from a German, though, is the ultimate irony lol.

TikTok is only good if it's a woman gyrating in hot skimpy skirts. The rest is for dumbasses with the attention span of a housefly.

​@@HeathenDance tiktok is worse

Does RU-vid shorts 😂

And if it gets some of these mainstream music listeners interested in actual talented musicians playing their instruments, instead of drum machines and computer crap, that's a win in my eyes.

Ghost is gay af😂

Btw that wasn’t directed at user ju whatever ur name is man. Hope it didn’t come off that way . .. ::puts on ghost record :: Oh hey I kinda think this is what dead put on before the .. u know ..

Honestly i love the high production quality. Especially the drums. And their lyrics are awesome too. I remember sitting on the bus on my ride home listening to Der Füsilier and having to concentrate to not shed a tear.

Ins Niemandsland is such a Banger, The line: Die Augen zu, das Herz verbrannt, so schicken Sie uns in das Niemandsland, Is so catchy and heartbreaking to me at the same time, love it

the thing with Noise is, with Kanonenfieber is that he researches all the topics he writes about and puts heavy emphasis on being historically accurate. also, if you like Kanonenfieber maybe try Noise's other Projects Non Est Deus and Leipa

Varg has said he got inspiration from going to raves, that massive wall of strobing sound they have there, one can see where the giant, encompassing atmosphere of Hvis lyset tar oss came from. It's still purely metal but electronic was a big influence for sure.

I'm not sure this is a hot takes. Just a theory and a excellent one btw... it's an excellent theory to think about the black metal universe amd his impact on listeners.

Not sure if it's a hot take. With the amount of dungeon synth and dark ambient that's incorporated into black metal, it's quite transparent.

@@-47- I was about to add the dungeon synth part, but I also think that some parts of the bm community seem to really enjoy that more extreme kind of breakbeat music and other, less dance- and more atmosspheric/ambient-focused electro genres.

90 % of Metal is considered Black Metal lol. Everything that has the guitars equalized in treble and doesn't sound happy like Iron Maiden is considered Black Metal. Period.

Watain is genuinely great. In the digital era, when most people's attention spam is so reduced, I'm actually surprised to know that they have a secure fanbase. I only have one of their albums on CD, "Lawless Darkness", and it's top notch quality from start to finish.

Same, I always thought they were meeh and then I saw them live, almost got hit by a torch and now I'm a fan 😂

Fuck yeah was that in Wellington? Absolutely brutal show!

@@RustyDarlington Yep Wellington at Valhalla. Hopefully they will come back.

Underrated

they are death metal with like 10% black metal. But they are best band in many many years. Their EU tour was sick

You also hear an „Core“ Influence on their new Song Kampf und Sturm in my opinion. Their Guitarists are really big into Deathcore. And it sounds fckn great, even if it’s not that Blackened anymore

@@afinedaytodie666 Dont Mr. Noise write all music?

​@@counterspell69He threw a signed picture into the crowd, and It hit me in the eye.

You don't get into black metal. Black metal gets into you.

@@morbidcorpse5954 hahaha fair enough bro

@@nocomment9921 No. I'm just sitting here being an idiot. Music comes to people in different ways. Happy belated Thanksgiving!

What bands have you listened to?

@@morbidcorpse5954 i understood man! ❤️ i can take a joke. I didnt choose the hood life it chose me

It all depends on the band and what I want to get out of it at a certain moment. I enjoy Burzum on some misty mornings and the qualitiy has to be exactly like it is...and sometimes clean sound is what I'm looking for, so...

well. farvann loves to pretend to be alpha and omega about bm. there is a reason those kind of albums have many fans. ppl like that kind of sound design and quality. idk , maybe it soothes them

I hate that super-slick sound in metal (or anything). I call it "euro", because it seems predominant in Germany and Scandinavia.

You can even make a case and look beyond the norwegian scene and BM in general - I don't want to pose another hot take here, but generally: Oftentimes musicians are way less gatekeepers or elitist than their fans. Nowadays Metal musicians often listen to all kinds of music to draw inspiration from, and even in the 80s and 90s various forms of electronic music influenced BM hence dungeon synth etc. Some BM musicians stated they don't listen to BM or even Metal but New Wave, Synth Pop or Folk music when they want to compose BM songs - if they even listen to anything at all.

⁠@@griefforest18709/10 times the artists that don’t actually listen to metal make black metal that sucks balls though tbf lol

@@WarMetalChud 9/10 of metal artists, regardless of what they listen to, make music that sucks balls

Yeah lol on the fenriz commentary tracks he usually step by step explains the formula, the gear and which bands he listened to for inspiration on each riff

@@vampmode9132 Fenriz has always been into old heavy metal, speed metal , punk and crust (as well as electronic music). Even when Darkthrone went 'black metal, it was more of a return to old school music like Autopsy, Celtic Frost etc. . They have never made a secret that they just played music they liked, rather than making an edgy and new music genre i.e. black metal.

Kanonenfieber are good and I didn't get why he said that

maybe because the guy behind Kanonenfieber is a bit scetchy. Buying klicks on yt or treating employees bad, I don't know if its actually all true.@@OminousIllustrations

@@Hevnorak is there any proof of this? i would like to see it to be honest. let me know

@@snader5485 Just leakt chat screenshots (Ger. only) and gossping as far as I know. I don't care that much tbh but some people really do.

“UK acid techno”

Well, I'm still trying to get a tape of the new Master Of Cruelty album. It's still not that easy 😅

hahaha happy high flying

I only listened to Stare Into Death and Be Still from Ulcerate which is fantastic. It has an awesome artwork as well.

They actually have claimed to be metal in early interviews around the time of their second album. They actually said "If you went by 80s rules, then we would be Black Metal". I watched the interview, trying to sift through 11 years of interviews since then to find it is damn near impossible. But Ghost's first album was 100% metal. Tobias complained that they were on tour when the second album was mixed and they took all the "bite" out of the guitars, he said they were going to fix that on the third album. If you ever watch them play those songs live at Rock In Rio 2013 they sound a lot heavier. Ghost were 100% a metal band then...now though, it's harder to defend their new material.

When people go on about Sleep Token being metal, I am a lot more comfortable calling Ghost a metal band then Sleep Token.

@@Gregbaltzer I wouldn't consider either Ghost or Sleep Token to be metal but I am a lot more comfortable calling Ghost a band that can actually write fun and interesting songs in their genre lol

Question, do you have any understanding for those who would love to get into the culture of Black Metal, but who may have an averse reaction towards the imagery and content depicted in it, especially if they may appear to be a different race, sex, gender, etc. than the ones most dominant in the (sub)genre? I assume you do and may feel my question to be ridiculous, but I would love to gain more clarification/insight to your perspective on this.

Cause of Death was a good album imo, I’m a huge James Murphy fan though.

I have every Obituary release, but I've been listening to them since 1990. There are a couple albums that I skip over though eg. Darkest Day, Xecutioner's Return.

Cause of Death is an indisputable part of the death metal pantheon.

Finally someone said it. That band is elusive as f..k. No interviews, no b.s, nothing. Just pure black metal.

@@morbidcorpse5954 onielar is the most badass vocalist people need to watch their live videos and wish she would spit blood on you!

Hot Topic sounds so American. I don't even know if we have a similar thing in Europe 😄

Tbh I much rather see people wearing band merch and through this discover new music than gatekeeper nerds. but that's just me

Ofc 😂

​@Farvann Definitely got stores like that, H&M for example.

I think EMP matches the hot topic niche quite accurately

cause of death is the best one.

pop? Gross. Grow up.

Well.. the goat symbolism is far older than any metal music

There's a goat pen near me, can confirm this.

Idk I’ve worked on farms and goats can be pretty territorial sometimes and won’t back down. Definitely not an animal that emanates demon energy though. They’re way too stupid to be evil lmao.

wrong animal, goose is the only personification of evil and chaos in this world lmao

Meeting girls at concerts? ;)

I mean to me its pretty simple. Me like sound, sound make brain feel good. Me no like artist, artist make brain feel anger. Me not financially support artist when listen to sound that make brain happy. It goes both ways, I can like the artist but not enjoy the music, and vice versa. Bittorrent exists for a reason.

True

I got a little Recording School on Patreon. But it's more focused on beginners.

Look up Sznur! They already do that

Yeah, I noticed that people mentioned Grausamkeit more often than before. Out of nothing. Like it's the 'new' Burzum or whatever. Interesting to see that this came from TikTok and not from their own minds.

Very funny considering BSoD has NSBM projects iirc

@@WarMetalChud BSoD has every kind of project you can imagine. From goofy meme shit to raw Black Metal. I can't take that guy serious.

@@Farvann I don't think he intends to be as his top priority

That bands been a meme for years. All the wizard hat and drug memes, that's not new.

You're a masterpiece 😒 Oh wait...

@@Farvann Haha ^^ And it's _even more_ of a masterpiece when you imagine it's just a guy drunk out of his mind singing, as an aunt made me remark^^ GG on the AC/DC video, BTW, the algo had buried it for me ;)

@@CyberChrist Yeah, RU-vid buried it for almost everyone. That's what happens when I upload a video that's not Black Metal related. Freakin' hate this.

Akercocke wore suits

@@demoskoval them too indeed

cool description...I need to check them out more

@@fcamiola Listen to their Hellfire and Pain ramains trilogy’s, that’s their best work in my opinion :)

​@@afinedaytodie666cheers mate...appreciate it

Totally agree they are musically predominantly a symphonic black metal band much like fleshgod apocalypse with bits of prog,, deathcore and death metal thrown in the mix. Vocally he reminds me of Dani filth with his huge vocal range that covers all the extreme styles

It’s called blackened symphonic deathcore and it’s not black metal. It’s deathcore with very surface level influence from black metal. If it weren’t for the 13 breakdowns and their insane vocalist no one would care about them at all.