These players attitudes will SHOCK you! 

Weird to pull up a video only to realize you are actually in it..... I was the druid thanks for the run.

genuinely had me laughing at the end there lmfao

I hate all this parse and logs shit. I have even joined casual guilds claiming they don't do that stuff, eventually start caring about it 2-4 weeks in. Happens often.

I remember doing regular pug ZG runs back in 2005, leader ran an optional voice chat and just blasted techno music for people to enjoy during the raid. Kids these days need to grow up.

One thing i hate about these classic raid groups is the fact they treat a level 40, 10 man raid as a world first mythic raid on retail.

My guild is basically a group of 7-8 of us that have played together for a while, and we always bring 2-3 PUGs to each run. The only thing we look for are classes to fill certain spots for buffs, and we don't care about your logs. You come in, you do your best, you get to free roll on loot with the rest of us (MS>OS), and we clear the dungeon. If you don't know the fights, we'll explain basic mechanics and strats or link you a one-minute video to watch. Dungeon cleared in less than an hour. The attitude some people have is insane. It's a game.

Ziqo keeping the community alive, not scared of easy content with ridiculous prerequisites. A man of the people.

The most laudable thing about this to me is that Ziqo could EASILY pull the "I'm a streamer" card and get into almost any group but instead he blends in with the people, with the rest of us. Very admirable IMO.

One time, the raidleader asked me for a stool sample and blood test. Its out of control

I noticed the exact same thing in phase 1 and I must have run BFD 30 times across 3 characters. The Raid groups I joined where the leader grilled me like a job interview and checked my logs, wanted us on discord etc were the worst groups and they wouldn't even clear, or massive arguments would erupt mid raid and people would start quitting. Where the completely random, casual groups all were friendly to each other and we cleared raid flawlessly.

Thats how raiding should be, good time no sweats, and close to failiure. This is the true classic experience!

SOD has attracted the weirdest people expecting 99 parses, bis gear, people that ninja loot level 40 gear

I quit SOD for the same reason, cba to play a game where I have to permanently get into "job interview" situations. I realize some requirements are to be met fine with that, like I wont show up in lvl 20 gear...but cmon, who has 2 hrs to waste in finding a group...

Hey Ziqo, Aranvalcarin here, the Frost Troll Warlord! 🌌 I wanted to shoot you a thank you for the epic Gnomeregan run - it was an absolute blast tanking with you and your crew! You guys brought the hype, and we'd love to have you join any of our ten 7pm Gnomer runs. Consider yourself part of the Myrmidon extended family now! 🎉 Looking forward to more adventures together. Stay awesome, Aranvalcarin 🗡️💙

The parsing/meta mindset is truly community-ruining and fairly toxic. Before Wrath came out there was someone in our guild that refused to do dungeons if you didnt have sunwell gear.

Huge respect for such positive content! Screw the Season of Meta! We supposed to experiment with tthe builds, setups, gears and not sitting on warcraftlogs masturbating on numbers.

retail for heroic invt : link acv then they invt Classic for no brain gnome : Logs - spec - gear - ilvl - exp and then no invt

Anyone asking for your Gear Score in Season of Discovery should be avoided on principle 🤣 LMAO

You’ve inspired me to make my own Gnomer runs on my alts. Too many people want BiS and not players who will listen. I know all fights and they’re not hard to explain. People over explain them. I will be forming my own PUGS from now on.

Im yet to join a Gnomer. Literally lost all motivation to continue playing SoD.

Always grateful to have a guild that clears the content with a chill atmosphere so I never have to pug. 🙏

At this point the WoW community is just so elitist. This isn't a game anymore but a second job. I'm so glad I've found a guild in retail who just ask to do your best and have fun.

I just hit 40 on my main a few days ago. Luckily I am a priest healer so I got like 20 /w on my first LFG despite stating "0/6, green gear, shit at healing". I didn't bother looking up the tactics of the fights beforehand. I have 6 runes, but not the "required" ones. Also forgot to bring any consumables, even water. Ez 45 min 6/6 no wipes I pushed my 4 buttons from time to time. the Priest life isn't very difficult nor taxing.

What a perfect example of how hard it is to get a raid group… and the bs “requirements “ well done!

I swear, give them a level cap of 15 with RFC as the endgame dungeon, with no change. They will still find a way to require full WB, consumes and so on.

"skum of azeroth" "emerged from the sewers" "log checking andys" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

rank1 glad cant do gnomeregan. too hard

bro how many grimes did we pocket? holy $%^& i just realized, one of the best parts, ah asap before another reset happens bro how many grimes did we pocket? holy $%^& i just realized, one of the best parts, ah asap before another reset happens bro how many grimes did we pocket? holy $%^& i just realized, one of the best parts, ah asap before another reset happens bro how many grimes did we pocket? holy $%^& i just realized, one of the best parts, ah asap before another reset happens

Happened to me in phase1. some dude gathered noob-friendly BFD group and we did i think 5/7 or 6/7, but had a great time and every1 was grateful to RL

Always funny to see people thinking classic wow is the hardest game ever. Of course it comes down to each person on how they preform, but if you have some previous raid XP, SOD is super easy. The way you are playing it is the right way, as long as people will just do the mechaincs and learn, you do not need a mega gigachad comp to clear any of the content. I Rember when classic first came out and I have always had these friends who where so proud that they did the raids back in the day, and that this was the hardest shit ever, They would use this argument that this is why they are good in wow cause they had XP from classic and this somehow made them better at the current game. I rember showing up to molten core at lvl 58 the second week of classic. and cleard it with no problems, we did not even have a full group. think we had 35 people. My point is that the people who makes these groups and demand that you have that buff and that item are thoose friends of mine, trying to over preform on something, that they them self solved at the age of 11. Perhaps these people should think that the reason they cleared content like this as a PRE teen is not because they are GODs gift to gaming, the content is maybe not that hard, and they are putting to much value/glory in to it. SOD should be about having fun, even blizzard stated the game is not balanced and therefor content is not scaled to high, since its more about the fun of gaming. Just my thoughts.

Had a friend trying to get the "Immortal" title in LK. Every group had a GS requirement, and every patch the confusion came when they all had amazing GS and zero brains. People linking 99 logs on a random ulduar fight where they didn't do a single mechanic, then they die on the run, ruining the achievement. Happy I got the achievement w/ actual friends. Meta gaming at it's finest XD

Parsing ruined wow. “Wow look how fast these 10 guys killed this boss, maybe if I take one of those 10 people and put them in our group that means we will kick ass” parsing is a group effort and these morons use it as a way to determine individual skill.

I raid cutting edge in retail. Never really got big into classic, but decided to take the plunge with season of discovery after a guilty of mine wanted to play. Started playing sod at the end of phase 1, weaseled my way into a pretty solid guild with my mythic logs from Retail, and have been clearing no more every single week since first lock out. I am so unbelievably, dumbfounded at how much gatekeeping there is in season of discovery towards pug players. Literally, I have gotten into cutting edge guilds with less effort than it takes to qualify for some gnomer pugs. It’s so absurd.

Not gonna defend those elitists but you didn't full clear it.. people who want to full clear either need to be in a guild or a coordinated pug. It's very hard to kill the last boss with total randoms

I play SoD and it seems that 80% of people are like how you describe, looking for PUMPERS, LOGS, master's degree, SSN, etc. I bet most of the people in the comments are these people but when you say it, all of a sudden now it's bullshit and they agree with you.

imagine playing the game for more than raidlogging I especially love whenever I see some1 spamming that he checks logs and stuff And then, an hours or two later, I am leaving the raid and see this person still spamming and still keep looking for a group Happend multiple times, especially during P1 xD

The problem imo is that SoD is not a "fail-friendly" environment. If you fail a raid u will miss out on loot cuz ur locked to that specific ID. It should be like retail in that regard where u only get locked to bosses defeated. Now groups are forced to be sweaty to not miss out on any loot, and will take no risks - thus defeating the purpose of the game. This rule just make the raids less adventurous and more anxious in a bad way.

You just hit on the nail on the head with what real riding was about. Good time, pleasant people, knowing their shortcomings but still wanting to gather and give their best and have fun.

Sod is being ruined by these log checking Andy’s! Thanks for keeping it real ziko!

My favorite part of this whole thing is the content is literally unlosable. So unbelievably easy. Every time I’m in discord with these guys I repeatedly ask “when does it get hard. Where are the mechanics? Is this the raid? Is this a boss?”

It’s that stupid ass retail mindset that kills the game

You are absolutely right. I've been trying to find a group for five days and no one has even contacted me. And yes I am a rogue

It's been a problem in WoW for awhile now. Being ultra sweat and hardcore has its place and isn't inherently bad, but when it became the standard is when it started causing problems. There are many variables to why the gaming community in general has shifted this direction but i put most of the blame on "MLG" and streaming personalities. This constantly reinforced idea of "if you aren't min/maxing to the fullest you shouldn't be playing". These types of players always existed but at some point everyone decided that it was the only way to do things. I remember the early days of LoL, nobody knew what they were doing and nobody cared, (much like WoW) eventually the pro-scene arrived and suddenly everyone was concerned with META. if you were not using the best cookie-cutter build you were "throwing the game" and i saw many players pitch a fit over me using a non meta spell or buying items in a different order regardless of how successful i was. I knew these attitudes took root the moment Classic was announced where every streamer and content creator spewed the same stuff of "you can only play this way or you are bad". Not that Classic didn't have these glaring balance problems but these sentiments were etched into inexperienced players to the point of completely rejecting other players for the tiniest things that did not matter strictly because some streamer said so. It is okay to have standards and expectations to complete a goal, but it must remain relevant to the objective. The players demanding full world buffs and consumes to do molten core in Classic 2019 were the same players telling everyone the content was 15+years old and easy/boring and to not be taken seriously.

We JUST did this last lock out (after 2 lockouts of not even being able to find a group). Did 4/6, had fun doing it, and got some raid experience. Kudos! The game is more fun with people like you playing it

Its actually the same in wotlk. I have almost BIS gear from ICC HC 12/12XP purple/orange logs, only 3 items missing 6,5k GS. In raids with good players i am guaranteed top 5 dps. But then Ruby sanctum came out and i couldnt make it in the first week. As soon as 2nd week started nobody would invite me to a Ruby 25 HC group because i didnt have Ruby Sanctum XP or logs. And to this day i havent been there. And this is so frustrating that im more and more retrieving from the game. I log on for my ICC raid and thats basicly the only time i am online now, like 2 hours a week. And i dont think i continue to cata now because of all this bs.

i think this shows the beautiful nature of leading the charge in the other direction. Sure there'll be plenty of people that may say you're crazy but you never charge alone, and you did a good thing

3 hours and didn't kill the last boss? The dungeon takes an organized group 30 minutes. Every group wants 1 priest, 1 mage, 1 hunter, 1 druid, and 1 paladin/shaman. And ideally 1 lock, 1 warrior, and another paladin/shaman. You're playing one of the most popular dps classes, competing for 2-5 slots, in a dungeon that's punishing for not bringing the correct balance. Your way of thinking will make more sense with 20 man raids. But 10s are tight. It's not that Gnomer is hard, it's that it's exponentially harder the worse your group is, and people don't want to make something take 5x longer than it has to because they accepted the first person to dm them. Especially when you don't even get a last boss kill. I lead a gnomer every reset, and I would have turned you down too. You either meet my needs or you don't. I'm not being "shocking" by politely turning you down. You are not entitled to 9 other people's time.

It's kind of hilarious coming back to check out SoD after having not played WoW since the og days of years 1 and 2. People treat these lower level raids like they are a military spec ops mission requiring ridiculous prep and precision. Part of it is Blizz's fault though. World buffs working in these things is supposed to have made them easier but I think it's really just fostered this hyper-elitist attitude. When none of it is necessary truly to run the raids successfully. Then just a bunch of up-their-own ass weirdos living out their Delta Force spec op fantasies.

That's how I've felt the entire time in WoW. People don't invite due to discrimination, personal reasons, and simply out of sheer ignorance, it's just that level of clown fiesta in World of Warcraft these days. They cannot accept a player into a group if they're different, it's on that level. It's very sad and frankly upsetting and depressing. The Raider IO system is the same way as this, so it's really no difference there. The big problems is this today in World of Warcraft... Interviews to join a group in WoW Classic Raider IO score to join a group on retail That won't change unless something fundamentally changes in the game for the better, for all of us, but that time might never come. Just like anything else, we're stuck in hell.

When someone asks if I bring the DPS, I just automatically assume that the person asking the question does not. People who actually do DPS do not care, they just want people who know how to mechanics. This video exhibits the very best that the WOW community has to offer (people who want to do content and have fun) and the absolute worst (gatekeeping scrubs).

Leave it to players to profile the hell out of party members... but still come as a shock when their twitter favorite gets exposed for a little to much under aged horsing around. The level of investigation for a gnomer group should be "Did you kill boss?" or "Can you watch a quick video and turn your monitor on?" That's it.

This bullshit right here is why I don't even try to get into the wow raiding scene. I want to play a video game, not go for a fucking PhD. Edit: In fact, I quit playing SoD all together because of this shit. My highest toon is 26 and it will probably stay that way.

We had the same issue. We joined a semi guild run, they were first timers and "still learning"- we oneshot every boss, its litturally a walk in the park. Masterdegree requirements to use an escalator

Classic andys: wE hAtE rEtAiL eLiTiSiM Also Classic andys: Show logs, full enchants, gems, 12/6 xp, cheese from the moon and 2 blood Diamonds

Logs, bis gear, gear score? Next will be raider io. At this point I might as well go play Retail WoW cause it’s basically the same requirements and it’s much nicer visually and tons of QoL. The same people complaining about that in retail are coming to classic and doing the exact same stuff

Fuck gear score. It does not account for optimal stats. Example: gear that takes my warrior below defense cap but increases my gear score. Logs doesnt tell the whole story either. If people played more defensively, you could take less healers and increase overall raid damage. Heal logs doesnt tell you how many times I healed through fatal damage. All people care about it the number next to their name being big.

Hey bro its Heavywood we got a couple back to back games the other day in AB! You can always join my guilds terrible drunk dad raiding 3 sr we finally went 6/6. LMAO

Trying to join a group as a ranged hunter is impossible, these log-checking andys acting like gnomer is the hardest thing a man can do.. ive pugged with solo-chads 5 times now, got 6/6 every single time. No checking of gear score or loga or nothing. Just have a normal functioning brain and its ez af

People kill me. Just get into a chill guild and you'll get into a Gnomer. If you can't get into one, make a guild. Organize raids in it. Why expect others to do the work and just leech off what they put together?

Why are people complaining so much about pugs for gnomer? Get in a guild, do guild runs. If you wanna spend 4 hours pugging then ok, but dont hate on people for wanting a comp that can one shot and clear in an hour. We have other things we want to do aside from play wow. Sweats aren't the problem. People who don't look for other solutions are the problem.

P2 is worst than P1 to get invited in raid, actually i choose to reroll and pvp in low level zone than focus on raid, actually i still haven't make a step inside.. these guys ruined classic experience. Boss got 2 mechanic and they act like they are Method or Echo players lul

thanks for saving me money and time🙏 I've been so tempted to play wow again and try sod but if the dumbass retail parser shit has migrated to classic I'll pass, people who "solve" the game ruin the fun and treat it like it's a job lmfao

Ziqo banned me in his twitch chat years ago for a joke. Wasn’t offensive or anything. But I see he still attracts trash and plays with trash as always. His mods were trash too. Can’t sell the arena boosts anymore.

Im on this server and omg its so bad getting into any group, unless u have 6/6 and perfect logs ur fucked. I started late in p1 and bc i have no logs of bfd (i have 1 tech) its almoat impossible to get inti a gnomer

Classic andies have been like this since private servers. They treat this game like it’s hard. It’s not. Had many falling outs with people who take themselves too seriously.

the community is reason why I quit WoW altogether, they are so high on their own farts that I dont wanna bother trying to get into their raid-grps, its not really hard content, but these people pretend like they are doing rocket-science or some shit and you gotta prove yourself worthy to do the raids with them, I cant be bothered.

Expectations like this are why I just decided to quit in Phase 1, great game, terrible fucking community.

What is going on in SOD is really sad. I am with you... it is the greatest tryhard community i have ever seen in WoW since i started to play... LFM Gnomeregan just 6/6 WB, full cons, naxxramas gear, 1a criminal record, reccomendation by gouverment and checking logs, fast run pumper grp, wme..... It is a joke and i hope it will calm down a bit soon. I like your attitude, keep it up.

That actually looks super chill. I don't really give a fuck about gear or minmaxing or even managing to kill all the bosses in raids as long as the everyone in the raid has fun, knows the mechanics, and how to play their class. Gearscore etc doesnt mean shit if they're standing in fire and wasting mana from healers, then throwing a hissy fit tantrum and ragequit when they die. Those parse andies are exactly like those 400lb "DO NOT DM if you're under 6ft and make under 200k a year" chicks. You know the ones.

Isn't it ironic that the gatekeeping and elitism is god awful in classic wow, the MMO with arguably the easiest PvE content on the market.

LMFAO....the audacity of you current players to qualify running Gnomer and any legacy content...lmfao

Find a guild we have 3 out of 4 of our raid teams have cleared gnomer. 2 of our 4 have cleared it each lockout. It just mechanic heavy but not hard.

Never understood this issue. Why bother pumping easy content? Just so you can up your percentile? Those sorts of people can bug off.

“Gnomer xp?” Has to be the most retar*ded thing I’ve seen in my life, and reason alone to stay away from this monstrous amalgamation of retail and whatever is left of Classic in it.

logs are becoming increasingly cancerous with each lockout. only period in time there isn't gatekeeping going on is literally the first lockout of a phase, and by the 2nd lockout the _"6/6 checking logs less than 99 don't even apply need [meta class]"_ begins. honestly, i am not a bad player. my logs are just fine and i have nothing to worry about. i beat vanilla content as enhancement shaman in 2019 while it was in full meme status, so i have no doubt that i can do the same this time around, but like... i don't need to be a chef to be able to tell that shit in my sandwich tastes... well... like shit.

No in game music or sounds, just button mashing. Sounds like a wow streamer

Minmaxing is the absolute stupidest way to play this game. Why take the only little bit of challenge out of an easy game? That makes it much less fun.

I got kicked from gnomer group because i had only 2 logged logs. Raid leader told me "people demans 3-4 clears" lmao. Im like wth is wrong with this community. Its literally a 20 year old game and the content is so ez. Blizzard should ban this logging bs

insane requirement for a god damn 'raid' that you can clean with half of the player naked and without any difficulty

Love that they were still in there lol

This is why I play Classic ERA. I had the same experience. It's a community problem.

I have yet to even get an invite to a group for gnomer, I now limit myself to only looking for a group for an hour a day then I log off otherwise its too depressing (my exp as rogue)

i dont know why this was suggested? but why lie to get into a group? ive seen pug, after pug fall apart because no dis and no gear check

Man gnomer just isnt that hard to justify all this garbage.... So glad i joined a guild. I feel for the people pugging tho

People that want Gs and logs are the worse players to run with 90% of the time they’re dog 💩 and looking for a carry

dude, I'm so glad I dont have to deal with this shit. I have the same guild since classic launch and we just clear content and have a good time, lol.

This is why Im leaving SoD.. Doing raids is just frustrating when everyone is min maxing

My guild clears it with a rogue tank and ranged hunter no problem lol the gatekeeping has reached sod on a massive level

I did gnomer with a pug and we killed everything first try, we had 1 tank who did not know strats and he was dead for 3 whole fights. at crowd pummeler he got knocked of when the boss was at 50% and the boss actually evaded back to full health and we still managed to kill it from full health again without a tank. tank also died at thermaplugg by facetanking the fire and was dead for basically the whole fight. this raid is so easy you can 9man all the fights without a tank with 0 communication why are people sweating this hard...

Me in pvp. 2015 in pvp i wanna join.. no you are to bad.. 1v1 me... after 1v1 okay mf u In! 😂

Imagine having entry requirements for classic sod content besides having the necessary level hahahaha

I've always said "you can't beat a good pug". Bg's, Dg's or raids. That's always been one of the best parts of the game. The elitist have taken over and who the hell likes an elitist? You don't want to work for an elitist, marry an elitist, it would suck to live next to an elitist. Why do they think it's cool to be elitist? They suck the fun outta everything.

Come add some population to Chaos Bolt instead. Never had an issue getting a group as any spec

I hope ppl not like this in EU. Haven't had problems entering bfd in p1

idk just proves that you cant just bring anyone with you if you want full clear

Actually wholesome.

"I just wanna get into a good group and leech " - and here is the problem

Such PPC. You did well for what happened on the last boss. Also got to make some friends along the way, that's what Classic what is truly about. Nice to see everyone so nice after the raid. Stay that way lads, you the true chads.

I play wild growth horde and it does not seem this bad for grouping pugs

Literally all HC players in retail who played old WoW said GearScore is literally dumb to use, it was used in WotLK first, never before...and its dumb because some items are not recognized on it...and people still ask GS and ruin the game by having ridicolous standards, its a game, not a job.