I spent 2 months in a SoD Leveling guild -- Worst WoW Experience ever! 

Just to clarify, this video isn't talking about Hog Crankers or Sinners Domain, I purposely left the guild name out of the video as much as I could

leveling guilds is where all the trash goes after normal guilds throw them out.

Can't wait for the content vampires to show up. Hi Asmon!

Once you joined a guild and start raiding or doing anything that drops loot. You realize why there's war in the world

Now this is the content I enjoy. I hope you posted this in their discord

my experience with "leveling and PvP" guilds is that the majority of them are just a cult of personality around the officers, they are like a high school lunch room, filled with drama, and cliques. the RL/GM you talk about in this video, every one of these guilds has one, and most of the time they have some kind of substance abuse problem, and think the louder they talk the more right they are

Im sorry gamer, i only have tiny heals and tiny dps 😢

they need to ban the auto guild invite addon

Raiding in a mass invite lvling guild ? Madness I tell you!

You know. I do this for fun. My main is a warlock, but I have a pally, rogue, and priest alt all in different guilds purely to watch bad players be bad because it’s fun. You’re not wrong tho. The higher skill players are usually silent. Always, leveling, raiding, farming, silent. It’s the bad ones that talk themselves up

FK SoD man, I went back to standard classic and classic hardcore and I feel alive again, SoD i full od wackos, no thanks.

Excuse me, where's my big heals button?

i love the discord section of this specific video so much xD

Great video! Was a fun watch from the pov of someone that has similarly been through the experience of joining a leveling guild that scrambled to become a raiding guild once enough people hit max level.

Bro. The detail of dropping the "hey i kinda sperged re: discord" disclaimer and time skip... idk how to quite word this. But it is just a brilliant and "care about my audience" move. I see you.

Can we get some of the juicy discord clips. Old school skype and vent rage clips are the best.

Hey, at least their characters have really interesting back stories.

does anyone have advice for farming ghost mushrooms ?

Top video, so relatable & great insight

Playing on the Hardcore classic servers has been the exact opposite experience. Everyone is so mature and friendly. I'd love to see you create a video about Skull Rock (Horde!)

i experienced this with ya drift.. don here, GREAT video!

I was invested! Good video

I've always thought the casual players were the most toxic. "elitist gatekeepers" exist in their own space away from other people

Great vid bro!

i love how you put in the failed attempts at solo farming XD

This was hilarious. Thank you for posting it.

I know that guild, it's Warcraft Inc - WildGrowth. Pyro is an Officier in that guild, and he is an elitist without the parse numbers. I left that guild since that guy was toxic to new guildies. And the GM thing is true too. The gm has a temper. He can be cool with you, but if you mess up a raid mechanic that gm will sht talk you down infront of everyone. He will make you feel stupid. But Pyro makes the guild look bad. Someone needs to tell him to humble himself with new guildies, and work on his parses. I was in the guild before, but left. If you are a legit raider, then don't raid with these guys. Too much politics, and favortism in that guild.

Was an officer in a hardcore wow levelling guild and man I can tell you how insane that was 😂

this was oddly entertaining. you are good at telling stories.

love the rollercoaster tycoon music

ive found the egos in wow versions outside of retail are horrible and, more egregiously, undeserved. its basically anyone who couldnt cut it in retail so they larp as "leaders" in classic/sod to satisfy their desires they couldnt get in the real game. and they still cant get above blue parse with the super tryhard mentality. it kinda disgusts me tbh.

Casual guilds are the worst. I played in almost all top 10 french guilds on retail, only 1 or 2 have actually a toxic athmosphere. On SoD I was casual, all fucking guilds were super toxic while being very bad at the game. That made me quit SoD.

Many wow players are the biggest adults losers I have ever come across

God this is so relatable man. It’s not just leveling guilds. It’s a huge portion of WoW guilds across all versions of the game. My friend and I tried to run a casual heroic guild during Dragonflight and we had all these crazy personality types. Managing people’s absolute BS was so hard.

Great video. Reminescent of my experience being a young teen playing wotlk not knowing any better lol

well, ill finish this tomorrow becasue its 5:20 am deathnote OST 20min video Austin Power cameo i like this already

If you happen to be on wild growth us, consider joining Extra Sauce, friendly and helpfull oldschool vanilla casual mindset, with 2 st raids currently. Looking for members who are looking for more cooperative advancement focused gameplay.

Amazing video Drift, you should've sent it to me!

I played on both Wild Growth and Crusader Strike before quitting Phase 3, and I experienced the most toxicity I have ever seen on Wild Growth while I made some decent friends on Crusader Strike. In one particular BFD raid on Wild Growth they were auto kicking anyone who needed on the green loot because they said it all belonged to the organizer. I quit the raid immediately. I believe you meet far better and less toxic people on PVP realms as a general rule.

Every guild discord is made expecting to get the same activity as a trending reddit thread. 99.99% of them are just pure silence except for raid signup and a ruleset posted 3 years ago.

That was a very solid video. Thanks 😂

If this was retail mythic raiding I'd say healer prep is decent to go over damage events, assigning cooldown timings in the spreadsheet, things like that. But this is a level 45 leveling dungeon ffs 💀

I joined a mass invite leveling guild on cata classic purely because of the name and perks. I'm still in it for the name and it's nice to interact with the same folks everyday in guild chat. But one of the main things is keeping up with their attempts to become a real raid guild. Pretty similar to your story, I did one raid with them and quickly realized it wasn't my speed. But it's nice to watch them try to put together a raid team and kill bosses. A lot of the original officers gquit after their first raid attempt for god knows what reason. A boomer prot warrior who was pissed about not making the 'main' raid team stepped up and created a scheduled run that is now the main guild run. It is always perplexing to me that folks don't realize what kind of guild they are joining. If you're getting randomly invited and you see people constantly joining and leaving it's pretty apparent what kind of guild it's going to be. Nevertheless the folks who stuck around are persisting and killing bosses so good on em. I'll keep the name on my character and observe those crazy bastards.

jojos crazy tuesday raid sounds kinda fun actually lol.

Honestly if you "cant find" a guild just run as a fill up for guilds. If you play well you usually get invited to the guild if you are something they are missing. Like people said its ass to get raid spots with different classes while i often get guild invites after just one raid. Its just up to how prepared you are, how you perform and how well you fit into the group.

I played wow from around 2008 ~ 2011, late Wrath we'd managed to form our own guild off the back of a guild I'd joined specifically to help get started on raiding and build some connections - we only got started because they imploded out of no-where one morning and every logged in that day to find themselves guild-less. Sent out invites to everyone I knew who'd been chucked and we started doing 10-Man content, we were pretty trash but was some wholesome ass times, still in regular contact with at least a couple of them but we were not ready at all for early Cata raiding and just stone walled every week, zero progress so it all eventually fizzled out. Been a GW2 player since launch in 2012 and never looked back.

the Dynasty Warriors edit warranted a subscribe for sure

Almost pugged an ST run on my priest with this guild. Dipped since the raid lead was screaming about consumes before the raid even started, when he didn’t even have a single world buff

Not even in your guild and I feel your pain, I am not a fan of parsing but I do want people to be prepared and not brain dead.

Not sure why this video was in my suggestions. I found it pretty Entertaining tho! Really encapsulate some of the madness of the guilds out there

This is so wild 😮

dont join guilds, just gank their alts and become a server legend. this is why the game after 19 years is still fun for me :)

I never experienced guild drama. I always went into PvP guilds. Did the ranking journey and played with some really hardcore people. Myself I'm most definitely a casual but I have an affinity for PvP and I always get invited despite being a tad undergeared. This being said, for me the wow community have always been a very enjoyable one. I honestly think the pve side of things get worse than the PvP community at least in classic era. The hate was always directed outward and never inward in the PvP guilds.. which was nice cus rivalry sprung out of it.

i dont know how you only have 50 subs that was a good video

great video.

You touched on something I find very disturbing. I think back to my growth and maturation from when I first started playing online games (including WoW) 20+ years ago to now and assume that since the games I play have an older playerbase now, most people will have experienced some level of maturation as well. Yet these communities seem to be just as toxic as they used to be, perhaps even more. Unfathomable to me how that is, unless it’s a perception phenomenon and not actual reality. Either way, still disheartening how awful people in their 30s and older somehow are in an old ass game.

I’ve always joined them when I start out to reap whatever guild benefits there are, after i max level I find a raiding or pvp guild.

drama is what keep bringing me back

its the roller coaster tycoon music for me lol

leveling guilds are exclusively useful for expansions with guild bonuses like in cata or mop mass ress, less rep costs, more xp, rep, mount speed and more before you leave for a raiding guild i cant comprehend why anyone would ever join these guilds for any other reason

When using FGI i only send a message never invite. I also have a short message and move onto the next person rather than annoy somebody.

Still watching the video, but at 9:40, I think the PvP sign ups are probably just trying to lightly rank up. It's been a long time since I've played SoD I admit (Quit the week before p2 and went back to FFXIV) but one thing I do remember was it has the new Vanilla honor system (can't derank without a DK) and a similar server I play that does a system like that where you can't unrank by decay sees that with some of the uber casual guilds. They just kind of group up with a handful and play BGs. They aren't good nor are they better than a pug, but the social atmosphere and semi-coordination giving an advantage nonetheless makes it more tolerable for players that don't like recreationally doing PvP to begin with and does end up being a pretty decent gear avenue for casuals given how good rank 14 gear is for melee and a lot of classes really when it comes to PvE. SoD could completely change that, I've not really been paying attention to it since I've stopped playing but if the PvP gear is as good as it is in Vanilla comparatively and not just powercrept out of relevance entirely then that's probably what this is. When you remove the decay system and don't require no lifing the game for 3 solid months to get gear that in most cases is relevant into AQ40 and still really good for Naxx prog, a lot of casuals go that route because while stupid when it comes to the game, they perfectly understand how "a couple of hours a week with some friends gets me gear that makes me curbstomp all relevant PvE to me" is a very worthwhile investment. We had a crisis of this in TBC that is funnily hardly ever talked about. When guilds were still taking months to get through tier 4 there were a lot of players who made 5s teams, trashed 10 games then coasted for arena points then just pennied their way to having weapons comparable to weapons they weren't good enough as a guild to get by killing the bosses in order to trivialize said bosses giving them trouble. The term at the time was "Welfare Epics" and it was an ongoing mess of the PvE vs PvP mentalities back when these were becoming less of things everybody indulged and more of "this is a separate endgame entirely" complete with its associated tribalism. PvE players would point at PvP gear and say it was too easy to earn therefore not a real epic item. PvP players in turn would point at every trivial boss by 2007-2008 standards in a tier like Lurker Below Difficulty and Loot Reaver, Supremus, etc and say "Lol this is such an easy fight, how do you think your items take more skill to get than mine?" This ultimately culminated in personal requirements on gear, namely the weapons but then was adjusted to be on every piece of gear except gloves during season 4 because players were just hitting cap, doing bgs for their season 1 set then rushing off into tier 5 while they casually did arenas for higher tier pvp gear. Removing attunements ultimately was the bigger problem at play here and would have stopped it in its tracks... but Blizzard removed attunements when we got season 2, and the honor gear was still garbage blues at the time so nobody would've really seen this problem coming. It was a bunch of bad decisions adding up that kind of forever really drove in the growing divide of PVE and PVP progression and that the days of enjoying both in Vanilla that enchanted a lot of us were swiftly coming to a close. Random tangent within a random tangent, when Blizzard removed attunements, a lot of guilds ended up disbanding across servers. Not because of protest, but because they gaslit themselves into thinking Magtheridon is just overtuned so they skipped tier 4 to go right into tier 5, Lurker was an easy fight, they saw it in videos so surely the rest are easy too... Then tanks get curbstomped because Hydross requires resist gear, guilds struggling with Maulgar having 5 targets are once again struggling coordinating on Fathom Lord where it's now even harder despite also being a pretty simple boss... Oh, and in a brilliant feat of scientific discovery they were the ones to discover months later that it was actually possible to wipe on Void Reaver. So it became a pretty common running gag with diehard PvP only players to mock the guilds that only ever seemed to do the free bosses in tier 5 and mysteriously couldn't enter Black Temple until 2.4 removed its attunement, or to roast people that tried to defend these bosses as being hard because their guild struggles with them. If you play retail, it's the equivalent to the reddit Mythic Raider that only has kills on the first two or three bosses on week 8 but tells everyone about how easy anything below Mythic is. That being said, if you have something that's even more low effort than semi afking BGs like Naxxramas Trash farm then they tend to chase the weapons from there instead because it's much lower investment. Like every casual rogue and warrior would be wielding a servo arm and harbinger of doom (epic offhand dagger) while rocking questing greens level of tomfuckery then that epic 40 str chestpiece.

No offense, but I have been playing WoW since February 2005. I have been in MANY of these guilds. I have never had a bad experience like this. 🤣

keep the viz coming!

so sad to see that new player run into this aholes, not knowing what great feeling it is to have a "good" guild. aswome video. super interessting topic.

There are a lot of losers who play this game who like to feel important. The subreddit is stained with them too.

2019 classic release, leveling dungeons were so much fun

Oh, I couldn't not click with a title like that

Hahahahaha I was in this guild!! Warcraft Inc on Wild Growth. Did one sunken temple with them and holy shit it was a shit show. Got the hell out of dodge.

7:46 priest aggro is so real though. I spent 6 tiers ripping threat with heal bombs, heal threat 1:1, begging for salv

SoD was so strange... the first phase was fun af but phase 2 the egos came out and made me wanna go dc in hardcore again sad we cant have nice things

How are you liking the upcoming stuff in p4?

Lmao nothing is more annoying in retail than doing a M+ or a raid on a guildless alt only to be met with guild auto invite spams in the middle of a boss.

great video

I feel like classic players tend to be the more toxic side of wow. lol

Your experience is pretty common I think, you just dug a little deeper. This shit happens in retail too. My mythic raid guild GM had a habit of sharing way too much about the sex she was having with her boyfriend, who was also a co-GM/officer. I really don't know who wanted to listen to it or who was even asking, it was extremely cringe every time, was never really funny either.

On Gehennas EU we call these players "demons".

BIG BOY HEAAAALS

i love applying for a sweaty raid and doing level 5 dps

Drama is the main factor why i love wow

Is he posting about a Honda like it's hot shit lmao

Had some elite casuals in my SoD guild for phase 1. After explicitly stating "DO NOT USE THE YETI TOY, THEY GRIEF PARSES" The dumb kid, looking for attention, used the yeti toy to top the details metres in DPS, but doesnt want to parse and doesn't care about it. So instead of parsing on warcraft logs, he parses in his small fucking world as one of the bars on his details metres and would rather destroy everyone elses parses, just for the sake of being the best dps in the 10 man raid PURELY on the details metres LOL and I don't know if i can ever love again now. It makes me fucking laugh still thinking about it. "oooo don't want to comparatively speak for TOO many people on warcraft logs, Id only green parse. CANT GREEN PARSE ON DETAILS THOUGH HELL YEAH BROTHER"

One of the weirdest parts about this is how seriously this videos author took it.

this is hilarious man

hog crankers is a great name though

And everyone in this guild is over 27 I'm sure.

I’m in a tiny cata guild that runs old raids and heroics and ez raids together. Sometimes bgs. We have so much fun together.

Pretty sure I know which guild this is...I'd love to say it, but pretty sure Drift wouldn't want that. Honestly, the GM is just a gross human being.

Big heals can definately be a thing if a lot of aoe damage is about to come up or a boss enrages, but in normal combat? Nah, just assume that healers know how to heal, its like their main thing in the raid.

That is not a casual guild. That is terry bad hardcore guild. Many like to call them selves casuals while investing time in what would hardcore people would. They don't call them selves hardcore because they cannot clear the content they want. And because they cannot acknowledge that why they cannot do that.

I used to join leveling guilds but i would never ever join discord so i can't even say i played wow properly, i would just do kirito roleplay without beta experience or wife

Is that fucking rollercoaster tycoon 2 music

Classic WoW servers are just a retirement home for +35 yr old people who want to relieve the good ol' days in the worst ways possible

Lol the SoD (or Classic for that matter) guild treadmill is funny. I was entertaining them. Then after a while I was like okay, I'm not joining another one unless the person opens with a convo. So I started joining ones where I thought were actually "okay" because I had a convo with the recruiter... Um no, they were not "okay". Also the amount of guilds I was in that got the guild nuked or GM suspended because of the name of the guild or because of some meme word or phrase they would spam was crazy. Like come on bro. It's like vanilla all over again, minus having the community, instead you get League of Legends community + really bad players. It was intolerable for me, I gquit every single one and quit SoD. The only reason my Cata druid isn't guildless is because you get perks for being in one, gee I wonder why they added the guild perks lmao.

The boys and I 😂 had to kick a GM out of his own guild to toxic in Raid and talked trash to pugs apparently 2nd time it happened to him in sod now he is playing cata

good video keep them up its funny to see what other unorthodox guilds are like

big heals!

you should add some voice comms aswell it will be so fking funny

You can block guild invites btw

OMG WoW guild drama 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 this same shit has been going on FOREVER!! Ive been apart of hardcore guilds, ive raid lead.... You name it ive done it. My favorite situtation was when me and a group of friends Co raid lead. We took in all the negative BS from large and high end guilds and threw that shit out the window. We had a solid team through the entirety of Cataclysm.... Until life happened. We lost a few people due to scheduling issues and decided to refill our ranks. BOY was that a mistake. In the beginning all was fine. We were downing bosses left and right. i mean shit we had server first H Rags under our belt. But being the best on the server comes with a WHOLE group of separate problems. Our members started getting super inflated egos and we had people wanting to join the guild because i guess being in a server first guild is cool? I dunno Then dragon soul dropped and the 3 of us actual leaders had enough. We killed Deathwing and upon his defeat we kicked everyone and destroyed the guild. It wasnt about having fun anymore. It became this monster of constantly having to be the best because it was expected. We got where we were having fun and when that went away we had no desire to keep it going.