I am fortunate to have owned a total of five guns that Robert’s hands have touched. Being in my late 70s I have begun to reduce my collection of guns and three of those five have been passed on to new owners. I have retained two “forever guns”, at least for me, a Sig 226 Legion SAO and a 229 SAS. The SAS model was a native 40 caliber but Robert fitted a Barsto 9mm barrel to it and I added a 357 Sig barrel to the mix as well. When I say fitted I mean fitted. I have other 229s and the slide with the Barsto barrel installed will not go onto the other frames. That is not a negative, it just shows that he fits the barrel to that particular slide and frame. I have fitted Barsto barrels myself but have no intention of modifying Robert’s work to fit other guns. Both the Legion and SAS have the Carry Level Action jobs completed on them. I asked the top shooter in the leagues at our range to try out the SAS. I could see his face when he tried to double action for the first time. His jaw literally dropped and the look on his face was priceless. If your guns are keepers in your collection Robert’s work is well worth the investment. The smoothness of the action just has to be felt it cannot be explained in words.
Interesting video. However... a few months back I purchased a P226 Legion. Trigger pulls out of the box averaged 11.5 lbs and 4.5 lbs. After 1500 rounds and a reduced power hammer spring from Gray Guns (installed at the 800 round mark) my trigger is smooth like oil on glass and the pulls measure 8.5 lbs and 3.8 lbs. The quality of the trigger pull is amazing with absolutely no hitches or grittiness. Maybe I have an unusual gun? I don't know, but it's a great trigger; the best of any gun I own. I used a Lyman digital trigger scale exactly like yours. I paid 15 bucks for the spring and I have had zero failures using all kinds of ammo, from Tula to Winchester to Federal to S&B, CCI/Speer, etc. I think I'll keep my 400 bucks.
I just got the Sig SRT kit and Grayguns trigger for both of my two Sigs, 1 is the P220 full size and the other is the P220 carry. had them installed by a local gunsmith here in North Carolina
Thanks, ran across your video. I just sent my 229 Legion back to Sig for trigger work. If they send it back to me as "within spec" I'll give Robert a call.
Okay, I buy a Pistol with an MSRP of $1400.00 +. Then I send it off to some Sig Mechanic for another 4 bills to massage an already (supposedly) perfect specimen just to lower the trigger pull a couple of lbs. In a real life & death situation, you won't be able to distinguish a 20 lb. trigger from a 2 lb. trigger, it will all feel the same when the adrenaline flows, tunnel vision and loss of fine motor skills take over. But, I enjoy all of your videos both the quality and the content. I became a subscriber from the first one. I have a 1990 KA P226 that I bought in 1990. I would never part with it. Thanks to you and your 10 part series I finally installed an SRT kit, Hogue Piranha Grips & screws, new style trigger bar spring and Trijicon HD XR's orange front. I'm not going any further. Keep them videos coming Ferrari Steve.
What's most important, is Robert takes all the creep out of the single action pull. So many have no idea what creep even is. And all Sig SA/DA trigger have a lot of it. They are horrible. Robert does fantastic work, and worth every penny.
I have the legion 45 single action only the only thing I would change I wish I purchased it earlier wow what an incredible shooter.the trigger breaks like a piece of glass on the first shot and the last shot.great vid new sub here.
I worked 35 years in Buffalo New York and always carried . When I left the army I was taught grease in the winter , oil in the winter. When I got out of the Army in 1985 , I discovered super lube . It is all I use now for lubrication. For protecting the gun and magazines ( inside and outside spring included ) follow the instructions and use eezox
I love my Legion 229 DA/SA. My home defense piece and woods gun. Underwood ammo, 1791 and comp-tac holster. It takes a little be of training with DA but it improves marksmanship on my other SA only handguns.
After watching this video, I was interested in having the Carry Level Action package done on my P320 Compact and Subcompact pistols but after reading some of the comments below, I am not so sure. In addition, how does the package differ from the Grayguns Carry Action package?
Excellent video Steve. I've used Robert as well in the past and would highly recommend his work as well. Funny because I've thought about getting work on the Legion but have almost feel "guilty" to get work done on a legion, but as you correctly stated, it takes it to the ultimate level of customization. Interesting about the coating sig uses on the legion you mentioned. Great video, been thinking about using Robert again.
I thought the same thing, but I'm already changing out the trigger and grips. The checker is ok, but I went with the G10 Chain Link and Armory Craft slightly curved trigger. I don't know if I'm going to have work done to the fire control system.
I don't like to "upgrade" my carry gun's action. If it's building a reputable company with adequate machining and design. I trust it to not randomly go off. If it's a range toy, then yes, I don't mind putting an aftermarket trigger it. Plus, I enjoy mastering a stock service pistol
The only thing I would change is the finish. My 10yr old 229 da/sa carry with nitron looks much better than my 6 month old legion. The pvd finish comes off like expensive chalk when it contacts kydex.
cancerperez that's a really good deal, that gun is done the way it is unless you really want something else for your own reasons.......I'm keeping mine just the way I got it except for maybe putting a flashlight on it.
yea now that i have had it for a bit i dont feel like it needs any work. think that was the point in spending more for it. very happy with this fire arm.
When you buy a used gun, you should consider changing the springs, particularly the Recoil Spring, as you don't know how many rounds have been fired. - Gunsmith
Wow almost $400 for 3 lbs of total difference??? I'll never tell someone how to spend their money but DAMN! To me, that $400 would be towards another gun after I mastered the sig...just my opinion.. I have this gun on the way😁. Saw it for a smidgen over $1k and couldn't pass it up. How's the finish holding up? I hear that's an issue
It's less about weight and more about feel. I have a P226 Legion, and a friend has the same gun. Before he sent it in to Mr. Burke it felt identical to mine. Now it feels like something that Wilson Combat would charge $4,000 for. When I have time I am going to do the same and get my gun worked over by TheSigArmorer.
Steve after watching your other video on a sig armorers work and you didn't like it and changed it back original parts . I'm a little confused , why is this gun ok ,but the first was not if all you go by in triger pull . They both feel good ? Need more info.i don't have a legion bit plan to have on shortly. Thanks
The short answer to your question is, NO, the Legion guns do not need additional work. If you ever get a chance to simply hold one and dry fire it you'll understand. If you get the pleasure of shooting one you will realize they don't need a darn thing done to them. Shooting them and breaking them in like all firearms, will result in an amazing gun that is well worth every cent.
+Steve H. (Infidel) Steve thanks for the info. I'm still looking and waiting to purchase one. When I do it looks like I'll just shoot and leave it alone and keep original. Thanks again.
What are your thoughts around the legal ramifications of modifying a carry guns trigger in ANY way? They say you would get absolutely skewered in court if, God forbid, you had to use lethal force to neutralize a threat to your life. Any modifications or customizations get you painted as a trigger happy touble hunting murderer of innocent criminal lives. I love customized triggers and all upgrade mods but my carry gun is factory stock threat neutralization tool.
@@breedlofam I'm a prosecutor and IF a prosecutor wanted to, he could argue that by modifying your gun you are showing your intent to take a defensive weapon to become a more offensive weapon. The actions of modifying show that intent. For example, I might argue that by making your trigger lighter you wish to make it easier to use, faster to use, above and beyond what the "standard" is, especially the "standard" for a gun already specifically marketed and made for carry use. These actions show an intent to be aggressive and that intent removes you from the realm of a firearm owner who carries for defensive, personal self defense purposes, to a firearm owner who is looking for a reason to use his modified more aggressive gun, a gun that was already modified specifically to excel at carry defensive use out of the box. Mind you, these are just arguments I can think off the top of my head. Is that argument 100 percent accurate? I'm an attorney so I will let you make that call but it is an argument a prosecutor could make. It could also force you, as a defendant, to have to hire a firearms expert (which isn't cheap along with the fee you are already paying your defense attorney anyway) to argue that the modifications you made are within the realm of "reasonableness" for the "firearm community".
Note I wouldn't go after someone on a defensive shoot as a prosecutor, but there are many, left leaning, gun control prosecutors who would. Trust me I know many. Most lawyers aren't that into guns and that also translates to prosecutors.
@@darknightbegins85 Question ...outside of you documenting these changes on video ...what is the chance that they even notice these internal modifications (1) and (2) with the modifications being completed by a certified sig armorer all working to increase accuracy it seems easy to argue that in fact these modifications were made in an effort to increase public safety by decreasing the chances of striking an innocent victim even if only marginally so ??? I'm just sayin .....
Awesome u say that I want one asap so I wouldn't go wrong with the purchase also no gun store with in a 100 miles has one lol but I'll find one so ya on buying
Good for you a waste to others. Always begin by cleaning and lubricating any metal that touches, impacts, rubs, slides to metal. Friction causes wear. The trigger pull and action will improve greatly from ' out of the box new '. The Legion option is Dubious and the legion helmet thing is childish hype. The Elite option is more real, less expensive, quality over a standard model. ⚖️🗽✌️☮️🇺🇲
Marco Santiago you probably have a holster by now but I recommend either Relentless Tactical for leather appendix/hip carry and Alien Gear for a fitted kydex holster. I have a shapeshift shoulder rig from Alien Gear and I couldn’t be happier with it.
I'm confused, you mentioned that you wanted a trigger that was not light due to been a carry handgun. after the trigger job your single action is 3.25 pounds and that is not too light?, I can only tell you that under stress a 3.25 pound trigger is a recipe for disaster no matter how well trained you are. 99.9% of people need the skill (including me) before any trigger job.
alfonsobrena It's a Sig, therefore not capable of being carried cocked and locked. It would be a double action pull at 7 pounds for the first shot. Your reservations are unfounded in regards to this type of firearm. Plenty of people walking around and carrying 1911's with a 3-5 pound trigger yet nobody ever questions it.
@king bibibear - who the hell would want to carry a DA\SA pistol cocked? There is no locked. Cocked and lock is when you have the hammer back with an external safety engaged. The P229 doesn't have an external safety unless you have the SAO (Single Action Only) model.
I think you might miss the point, the light trigger pull is in a mode in which you would not be carrying holstered. The carry mode is the DA mode. You CAN carry a Sig cocked and locked, but that would be ridiculous and highly dangerous. Way worse than carrying a 1911 chambered and hammer down.
Hi Sean Conway. The Legion SAO trigger is actually an X5 match trigger, and the action is custom for the Legion SAO. The SRT kit goes on DA/SA pistols only (with any type of trigger). There's actually no trigger in an SRT kit (read my article here: www.realgunreviews.com/theres-no-trigger-in-a-short-reset-trigger-kit/). So yes, all SRT kits are the same... but the Legion SAO doesn't have an SRT! :)
Legion guns. Marketing. For those gunners into branding and logo's. Not worth it. Unless someone has their eye on a P226 and a RDO. Buys the P226 with the RXP otpic....THEN it's worth buying a Legion gun. Otherise SI'd stick with standard or Elite series SIG's. Save the money.
michael burns Never once had this been an issue for anyone except lawyers trying to sell you prepaid legal services. There hasn't been a single case where it's lead to a guilty verdict, a sentence increase, additional charges, etc. As far as I've been able to find before, two prosecutors have tried to raise the point, and both were essentially laughed at by the defense. First was a guy who had punisher grips on his 1911. Prosecutor tried saying that he was living out his vigilante justice dreams, defense proved that his client wanted everything BUT to kill someone and even tried several times to get away. Other case was a cop who had a dust cover on his AR that had "You're fucked" engraved on it. Prosecutor argued that he was going around looking for a fight, couldn't wait to kill someone, and even decorated his super-deadly assault weapon. Defense, again, showed that the officer was well within legal rights to use deadly force, used it appropriately, and made the case that modifying a gun is no different than modifying a car... it's just personalizing a tool. That having been said, I'd be more concerned with making sure you're in the right if you ever have to shoot. If your legal bases are covered, you can defend yourself with the tools at hand, regardless of any personalization.
Lol, Legion, Non-Legion P-Series, it doesn't matter, they are ALL CRAP triggers out of the box. You guys saying you wouldnt change anything about your Legion is laughable at best. I've pulled the trigger on a new Legion and other new Exeter P Series hammer guns. They are all crap. HEAVY pull weight with a TON of CREEP! And, please dont get take up confused with creep! Yall have no idea how good Robert can make your "Legion" trigger... Not trying to bash anyone, it's just nonsense to say that the Legion trigger is perfect outt the box lol...
