Hey Lamont. I think for the first time ever, I tend to disagree with you a bit. Being a retired US NAVY submariner, I've been down deep. Many times. Peacetime test design depth on the boats I was on, was 1,300 feet. The pressure hull would moan, groan and pop. Due to being squeezed by the outside pressure. I don't think these guys saw some small leak. I think the pressure hull failed INSTANTLY. Faster than instantly. I read an article - twice - written by a neurosurgeon on what the guys onboard the Thresher and Scorpion would've experienced. I need to try to find that article again. It's all theory and speculation since no one has been through it and survived it to tell what it's like. This Doctor says that the implosion would've been SO fast, the human nervous system could never register it. I agree with that. Without trying to sound morbid or sickening, about the only analogy I can think of is a cockroach getting stomped on. Its there one second.....then not. Never knew what hit it. Maybe, these guys saw a leak? If so, at that depth, it wouldn't have been a small leak. The first boat I was on had a piping system fail in the compartment just forward of the engine room. AMR2. We initiated an emergency main ballast tank blow - EMBT - and climbed like a space shuttle. All the Damage Control manuals on the boats I was on, don't use the words implode or crush. I suppose they think those words sound too violent. They prefer the word "collapse". Even if these guys realized what was going on, when that pressure hull failed, I don't think they felt anything. It was over in micro or pico second fractions of an eye blink. Sorry to be so long winded. Longest posting I've ever done. All the best. Peace.🇺🇸
My heart goes out to the 18 year old that didn’t get to live his life because he didn’t want his stupid Daddy to go alone. Any Parent that loved their child would not have allowed them to go into a deathtrap.
I think the Dad was totally blindsided by the PR of Stockton Rush that the sub was really safe. Of course if he popped the hood on the reports and reviews in depth he could have found out the truth but I think he wanted to believe so bad because of his obsession that he put his trust in Stockton Rush because Rush was apparently quite the con man, quite the PR genius.
If the Dad had really thought they might die I don't believe he would have let his son go. He chose to believe the alternate reality Stockton Rush made much more attractive that the odds were against dying because the sub had already been down to the wreck a few times. In reality, the margin of failure was way too narrow, the odds were against them because the wear and tear on the sub after several trips actually made it that much more brittle, subject to failure.. We know that now. But the Dawood family didn't.
It sickened me when I heard how they died because I assumed they died from lack of oxygen and the cold. To hear they died before the brain could even feel pain, made me feel a tad better only because they wouldn't have had time to suffer. May God bless them. Good video Lamont.
I think the window in the Titan didn't actually change colors, but the water outside got black because of the depths. You nailed it when you said these uber-rich guys have run out of thrills, and they try to top their last escapade. They also do it simply because they can; because of their wealth. It's a shame they don't apportion some of that wealth to help somebody less fortunate, instead of chasing rainbows.
Nobody knows what these people did with their money,nor is it anybody’s business. Lots of wealthy people have made huge philanthropic contributions in their lives & these people could have done the same. We don’t know anything about their financial endeavours or what causes they may have helped in the past. So for people to say it’s shameful they didn’t help the less fortunate,just stop. There’s so many mean spirited people pushing their nasty beliefs forward just because these men happened to be rich. I am just so sick of it.
Lamont during a catastrophic implosion the compressed air heats up to the temperature of the surface of the sun and the bodies were basically turned to dust and all of it happens within a millisecond. They never knew what hit them. There are no remains either.
I have a teenage daughter. And as much as I love Titanic, I wouldn't take her or myself on a seriously flawed sub to see it. Leave it to the people who actually know what the hell they're doing. Rest in peace to the poor souls and my condolences to the families. No one deserves to die that way. Well spoken Lamont.
Exactly. We want our children to spread their wings and be self sufficient, not to be idiots. If my 23 year old said she was going to space or to the bottom of the ocean we would talk her out if it. She wouldn’t though. She went to HI for University graduation and swam a mile out to see the reefs. She turned back after having a quick look because she was not comfortable.
I would agree 100 💯 percent, I have a 19 yr old daughter myself and I would never allow her to get on that thing, it so super sad! That poor young man and thr families of everyone on board. So sad
They didn’t know it was flawed, except for Stockton. I find it hard to believe PH Nargeolet wouldn’t be suspicious since he’s such an experienced seaman.
@@cristinaj2223 If they had researched they would have known. He admitted to not following protocol. He fired a whistleblower. It’s all right there on Google. I bet there was some investment deal on the table as well. Nothing was really legal as it was a “trial”. He figured out loopholes and made them sign a pages long waiver which mentioned death 3 times alone on the first page and other possible health complications.
Rush didn’t want any experienced knowledgeable engineers due to the fact they would have most likely voiced their concerns and reported his hunk of junk. I agree he’s a dirt bag! It’s very sad that the others especially the boy. My heart breaks for his mother
Right! Most don't even get the reality of such experiences. Instead they will either become scorned, envious or jealous. Or they will become depressed being that they believe that they are missing out on something great and amazing! There are those that aim to purposely deprive others (and in this case) this man was made a mockery of for his age. This guy was on a role and his thinking and behavior should have been more than a red flag. As it was obvious that having tact was not his strong suit.
James Cameron said they probably heard it start to disintegrate before it actually imploded. They were trying to get to the surface when it imploded because they had dumped their weights.
Yep, oh they definitely knew something was seriously wrong, i bet 2 or 3 seconds of absolute terror then boom they're gone. The bolts had to be creaking, the sound was picked up by the navy
They wouldn’t have been aware it would have been alive one second and mince meat the next. Their consciousness of any problems would have disappeared before they knew what was happening. They were also diving on a banned area.
Another thing that Stockton Rush skimped on was the carbon fiber hull. He was told that it needed to be a MINIMUM of 7" thick and Stockton Rush ordered it to be only 5" thick. R.I.P. to the other 4 who were killed.
The 19 year old was actually the smart one. He didn't wanna go. He was terrified and thought it was unsafe, but Stockton talked his dad into going and convinced him it was safe, so the dad was going to go down regardless. So this made the 19 yr old end up going because he didn't want to let his dad go by himself, and it was fathers day too. But the19 yr old definitely didn't really want to go on there but did so only because his father was going
@@lotusblossom6814 The remains they found is most likely just trace DNA remains, some kind of smear if it actually was an implosion that killed them. An implosion happens at 1,500 miles per hour and the heat generated by the compressing of the air in the vessel, reaching sun surface temperatures, then the cooling of the freezing water would reduce their bodies to something more akin to toothpaste rather than what most people consider remains to be. It sounds horrible but they would not have known a thing or felt any pain. I am, however sure that they had to know something was seriously wrong right before the implosion happened because they dropped weights and tried to start ascending.
During this time I was scheduled for an MRI. I tried going through it and FAILED. I was so claustrophobic I literally thought I was going to die. I had a severe panic attack. Then the report of this story hit the news and I thought about these men inside the Ocean Gate’s Titan. How could they crawl into this submersible? Totally terrifying. For 5 days I experienced feelings of anxiety, I cried and was in continuous prayer. All I could think of was they were going to run out of air and die a horrible death knowing it was coming. Then it was over and all I could of think of was “thank you Jesus” they did not suffer. Then the question WHY? This was an excellent video. I’m with you. I felt so badly for the son.
A reporter who descended there via a Russian vessel in 2000 said he was terrified and would not have done it again. He said their vessel got hung-up in the ship's huge propeller and scared the hell out of them. Idk if there is a ROV that can recover them now. An oceanographer from UK said that high-pressure water at depth would rip your skin into pieces. Hope they didn't consciously experience that.
@@tonycheek1356 Not even, the shit hit the fan so fast that their nerves didn't even had the time to send a last impulse to their brain. In a fraction of a second, these people 1) turned to mush, 2) got roasted by the air inside their contraption. The pressure of the water compressed the air so much it reached the kind of heat you find in a petrol engine just after the plug lights up the mix in the motorhead, then 3) their pieces got spread out out of the crushed cabin at the same time as both ends of the cylinder. it didn't take much more than a thousand of a second for all of this to happen. it musn't be pretty inside the debris at the bottom of the sea if you ask me.
I feel the worst for the 19 year old who was only going to please his dad. I know how it feels to make decisions that you really don’t want to do just to make your parents happy. You’re right, h was the smartest person on board.
Thanks Lamont for telling it like it is. There should be more of that. Experience over “passion” any day. What’s makes it even more horrible is the young man who didn’t want to go. I feel so sad for him and the life he will never get to experience.
@mimig5357, absolutely! Sad to have more money than sense. It's the way of the world for many rich folk. They're so rich, they're bored. It's ok to live extravagant lives, folk don't use wisdom in doing so. For me it appears that the men wanted the fame of becoming super hero's, as they had nothing else to do in that moment. The young son of one of them, had ill feelings about going, he didn't feel the instrument was safe, though he decided to appease his father, and now they're all gone. It's foolishness for adults trying to play super heroes. It doesn't make sense to me at all. All for what? An adventure that was doomed before they made their minds up to board the dangerous water craft.
There are no remains to collect! They literally died at that snap of your fingers. I do believe they knew the sub was failing and were probably terrified. When it failed, there was no time for pain receptors, no time for fear. You just have to understand what happened.
The 19yr olds father should’ve considered his son’s feelings and loved him enough to say it’s okay you don’t have to go I love you I’m still proud of you even if you don’t want to go , instead the kids dad showed his son selfish love
EXACTLY!! Selfish love!!! No respect for his son’s fear . He could of waited for his dad on the ship. I don’t understand how a father could risk his son’s life knowing they were signing papers a waiver concerning possibility of death.
very generic comment, there millions just like your comment so your comment does nothing, don't be generic don't be just another one like the other billion, individuality is good, don't be a waste ,be you don't be just another 1 like them
Horribly? They really didn’t know it happened. It’s instantaneous death. There are no bodies to recover for a reason. Before their brains could register pain, they were already gone. It happens within a millisecond, and some believe a nanosecond. Before you can say “bang” they had already been gone.
The Titan did manage to capture some of the best Titantic footage to date on their previous dives. Just watch that footage and look how close they were to the wreckage. It’s amazing they did not get tangled up in the wreck with all of those exposed hoses and wires.
Rush was warned about his carelessness toward safety but, he rebuked it- Just a-shame that Rush with his Phil Donahue hair cut , killed others with him
That 19 year old’s death is especially heartbreaking because he did not want to go and was terrified. My little brother is his age. He was so young and had his life ahead of him. So sad. Rush is a POS and I wish he was alive to get the repercussions instead of this quick death.
He should have told his son not join if he was scared. Not sure if this was the case, but in some cultures, kids no matter the age, do not dare to disappoint their parents.
I hate the term "he had his whole life ahead of him" tomorrow isn't gaurenteed for any of us, and he did live his full life, it was just shorter than most.
When I was in HS I took Naval Junior ROTC. One of my instructors was a WWII submariner. He believed the deaths from hull failure was instantaneous. But what we do not know is what went one minutes before the implosion. So sad.
It's refreshing to hear someone speak bluntly about it. When It first started unfolding, everyone was saying the usual "my heart goes out, blah blah blah". I didn't call Stockton Rush a jerk or douchebag, but I knew he was at fault by using flimsy materials and literally scoffing at those who were telling him his vessel wasn't safe. He wanted to use diversity hiring, not using "50 year old white guys", one of which he was! I've enjoyed hearing James Cameron and others in the industry blatantly laying out the truth of things. Rush's cockiness has now cost him and 4 others their lives. He was as cocky as the men who floated the Titanic, saying even God couldn't sink it. All the men in the know are saying in 35 years of submersibles, nothing like this has ever happened, and this didn't have to happen.
Rush was not a professional....he wouldn't even be connected to a phone to the "mother ship". He said it was distracting. He was a foolish person but he died in the sub too so I hope explorers learn from all this. I feel sad most for the teenager.
I totally agree. When man gets cocky and thinks and say oh this thing will never sink nothing will go wrong and then nature takes over and shows everyone yeah I am victorious again, NEVER QUESTION THE POWER OF NATURE AT HER BEST. I watched the boats bringing up some of the wreckage and I found it interesting. Never heard though if they found any of the people on board. May they all rip. It was nice to see Canada and the USA departments working together to bring up the wreckage. I wouldn’t have gotten on the tincan myself but then I am a chicken. Not a great water lover myself and the ocean is to big of a body of water for my liking
@@sharonbrown6595 I too am terrified of big water. I try not to say 'never', but I'll say here I'll never go on a cruise. Rush definitely got too big for his britches. I heard a few weeks ago they had found some human remains, but wouldn't say what. It couldn't have been much, maybe teeth or something.
@@keepitsimple4629 ok. I was hoping they would find something. Esp of the son to give to his mom, Yes feet squarely on land is best for me. Water over my head is not a good thing.
A implosion at that depth is faster than you can blink with no understanding of what happened and so little remains that there is not any to really recover
Suleman’s mother, Christine, told in an interview that it was her that was meant to go, but she gave up her place to let Suleman go. She said he was very excited about going. But his aunt said he was terrified. So he probably was very excited and really wanted to go at the same time as he was very scared. What a horrible, horrible tragedy! 😭
yes, very much a thin paste, frankly. they may have had warning but the actual death took place so fast the pain likely didn't have time to register in their brains the physical sensations of being crushed then liquefied.
Stockton, was a pure narcissist. Yes I feel horrible for the passengers and families. Poor kid was so scared he never wanted to go but did it all for dad. This is a damn shame. Your right again LaMont. Death trap.
Vessel fatigue and the lack of backup safety measures, I believe is why it ultimately imploded. I also think it will be difficult to recover any remains due to salt water decomposition, marine life, and how their bodies basically disintegrated. Praying for their families.
Imploding means literally blowing up. Once the ocean pressure hit them if the sub hadn’t imploded they would’ve exploaded. There are no body parts to recover in spite of Lamont’s thoughts. And they would’ve never known they would implode. It’s that fast.
REMAINS? There are no remains bigger than a quarter. The body experiences pressure so intense, the oxygen boils, and the body explodes, along with the implosion. There are no remains. Why do you think no one is talking about retrieving bodies? Because they’re gone.
I am 100% in agreement with you Lamont. When I first heard of this lost submersible I assumed it was an unmanned vessel. Even when I heard that it was a pleasure cruise providing sight-seeing tours of the RMS Titanic wreck for rich-guys, I still didn’t want to make assumptions. It is only since watching a number of interviews with Stockton Rush that I began to realise why this vessel and it’s five occupants were lost. I am certainly no expert on submersibles or even surface going vessels, but I do know enough about life to understand that every human pursuit and adventure brings with it inherent risk. For example, people might say that you risk your life getting out of bed each morning. In fact, a person can be killed in their beds if we consider the San Francisco Earthquake of 1906. But we can all agree that the odds of such a thing happening are very remote and as a result of such catastrophes, we have learned to develop safety protocols which are designed to prevent catastrophic loss of life if adhered too. So yes, everything has its risks but now the risk has been minimalised. Climbing into a vessel that is planned to drop two-miles to the ocean floor has a different risk factor to laying in your bed. There are a hundred and one things that can go wrong, and if things go wrong, you ain’t going to be able to surface for perhaps several hours… and that is only if the integrity of the vessel remains intact. I have just been watching a video made in 2005 which featured James Cameron in what was his last dive to Titanic. He had been diving to the wreck for 10 years at that point. The care and dedication put into looking after the vessel, its occupants, and the ships crew that made such dives possible was exemplary and how things should be done. Link to James Cameron visit to Titanic: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FFjUxbT9nEQ.html I am an over 50 white-guy and even if I did have a million bucks I would have turned on my heels if ever Mr Rush had spent five minutes trying to convince me as to the worthiness of his tin-can. I don’t get any pleasure from the fact that five people died, but as for Mr Rush I am going to say that enough people told him so. Rant Over
Yep there are risks in many things, but if a person of note tells you that an earthquake is going to destroy your building, you would be pretty stupid to jump in bed!
What really made me freaked out is they locked them in with like 17 or 18 bolts on outside and no one inside can get out unless found and released. 😮 No way I'm going to let anyone lock me in anything not even a bathroom because of fire. Jay Bloom and his son are thankful now they turned down said they didn't like the odds of surviving .
Lamont, I couldn't agree with you more on having the 50 year old pilot. I remember seeing these two pilots getting ready to fly a plane I was on. They both were impeccably dressed with those black London Fog coats, 4 striped sleeves, and big captain hats; my flight was smoother than butter . 😊
Sad about the 19 year old man. Just starting life. My ex would pressure my kid, too, if he was scared. I told my son I don't care if your dad is a billionaire, millionaire I would break your leg the night before so u can't go frfr. my husband wants to go. I would try to talk him out of it, and if he still was going to go, but you ain't taking my son. Some dads act like friends instead of a parent. His dad should've thought hey the contract has death on it and experimental. Perhaps I shouldn't let my son go. It's just terrible.
Well said! You would think the mention of death in the contract would deter some people but this guy didn’t even think of his son. I know there are people who feel sorry for the dad but I am having a hard time.
@Meli-1992 I'm angry at the dad too. Hell be careless with your life. But your kid is still young. I bet the mom has regrets and taking it hard. And yes my son knows I am crazy and would make him sick or break something where he couldn't go lmao.
@@nizhonichica2005 I don’t blame you! I would do the same! This comes out of love as irrational as it may look to the outside. I would have been more forgiving towards the dad if he really didn’t know the potential of death because the contracts he signed did not say that but it has been confirmed from many sources that they all knew the potential dangers and still went anyways. I’m guessing they didn’t understand how reckless this POS rush was but still no excuse to take your kid with you. Rush was a truly POS. He really was not thinking at all. He did all of this for vanity.
@Malene1992 yup. The young man bothers me the most. Now I gotta go clean something lol. There's a RU-vid video that a guy posted a few days before this. He was going to see the titanic wreckage but due to bad weather it was canceled. Few days later this group went. He dodged a bullet. Shows the boat they got on to get there and the same submersible he was going to get on. And he got the French guys autograph that passed.
That would be awesome if they could find the cameras and get the video. When you are down that deep you will basically vaporize. They may have seen it coming for a few seconds but when it happened it was instantaneous. Apparently they had enough time to drop the ballast but it was too late by then.
Having a billion dollars doesn’t mean smart. He was literally born into two founding families of America. He had never been told no his whole life. That’s why he fired the people who told him how bad it was & ignored the emails of others saying not to use it
The choice to take a journey on this sub to see the Titanic was a yes by all of them. They all signed release forms also( which I guess is the norm on all submersibles that carry humans?) I do believe they passed so fast they had no idea what was happening. I also believe changes to the laws governing submersibles will be coming in to affect worldwide. May they all forever rest in peace, and once again my sincerest condolences go out to their family and friends.💔❤💔
Dude, you dont have time to see water coming into a vessel at those pressures. A snap of the fingers is much slower than the time it took for them to die; they could have died many times in the span of one finger snap.
This whole situation is just horrific. May God be with their families and friends. There’s no way I’d get in a metal can and go to the bottom of the ocean. Just no way I’d do it.
I saw a technical expert explain that there would not have been any leaking of water inside. Due to the pressure of the surroundings, any weakness in the craft would have resulted in immediate implosion. They also stated that they would be able to hear creaking, cracking prior to this as the integrity of the vessel weakened, even tough it would have been just seconds to minutes. While the navigator and his employee may have realized what it meant, there's a chance that the others may not have even realized what it meant.
They say that the force of the implosion also heats up like the heat of the surface of the sun, so they would be simultaneously crushed and cremated at the same time. They say that it happens so quickly that your nerves in your body carry signals too slowly to even comprehend the pain of it. Basically as instant of a death as you can get thankfully. But also the most gruesome
Anyone with good sense knows to never cut corners when it comes to safety. My dad used to work on a Naval sub. He wouldn't have dared to set foot on that thing and would have done everything in his power to stop others from getting inside.
Probably the closest a human being could ever get to knowing what it’s like to be swallowed by a black hole, I’m sure that 2 seconds was unimaginable 😢🙏🏼
One post reported 1500. 1/2 mile from destination. It was fast. Others ask if there would be a recovery of the remains? Navy said they were instantly liquidified. A train hitting you does the same thing, jello. Rest In Peace
I think they died instantly. There was no way they knew what was about to happen & no way they felt it. They imploded. It’s quite the opposite of exploding. Look into this more, Lamont.. xx
I remember reading about the oil rig pipeline disaster in the Norwegian North Sea in the 1980’s, 5 men died and in a peer review journal I read, it showed images of one man who died, they died in an implosion, and the man’s body was torn into dozens of pieces… this is why folks are saying their bodies won’t be recovered, the damage is too devastating and recovery far too dangerous
One Unscrupulous Man's GREED, and 3 Stupid Men with Nothing Better to Do with their Money, plus One poor 19 yr old who Didn't want to go. He's actually the One I feel the Most Sorry for, the others acted Stupidly, Regardless of the Qualifications they had.
The Navy heard, what they now believe was the implosion, on Sunday. I just find it interesting that they waited all that time to release that rather important piece of info. RIP gentlemen🙏
Yeah they sent sound recordings to be analyzed to figure out what noises were coming from where and why . Some reports say some of the sounds were their bodies clunking going all over the place in the submersible.
That bastard wanted comfort not safety I can only imagine how the mom feels that her son didn't want to go! That site is cursed it made me so sick such a expensive suicide 😔
Stockton Rush was an arrogant and delusional wanker about his submersible death trap. He paid the price for his stupidity and greed and sadly so did four others that trusted him. Heartfelt Deepest sympathies to the victims and families.
An implosion at those depths would take merely milliseconds. Hence, it was instantaneous and they wouldn't have known what hit them. Phones and recording devices could be recovered and data extracted. Stay tuned!
No, even their phones and recording devices could not and will not be recovered, in that nano seconds of implosion a boiling heat occurs….. 3 x the heat of the sun ☀️. Absolutely everything inside that sub was liquified
No they died instantly - milliseconds at most. 15psi to 5500psi in a millisecond is an enormous impulse force on the human body. They would be pulverized in an instant - red goo type scenario.
I can’t imagine having this much disposable income .. This is terrifying to me to get into a tiny device and go miles underwater.. And then you pay 250K only die..
I went down on a submarine years ago. Ut only went down about 90 feet. But deep enough so there was very minimal light. The fish we saw had no color until the captain turned on some lights to illuminate them and suddenly they were brilliant colors. It was awesome. They had a fish feeder so they could attract fish to come near the vessel. I really enjoyed that.
