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They Steal Children, Don't They? (1980)  

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Please Note: I will not be uploading any more documentaries from this series to avoid any future copyright issues as they sometimes are repeated on BBC4, Thank you.
Jeremy James (for Man Alive) investigates the lifestyles of some of Britain's gypsies and tries to find out why there is so much distrust of this minority group who say they only want to be left alone.
Originally broadcast on the 28th October, 1980.

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@stanleymilgram4788
@stanleymilgram4788 3 месяца назад
I grew up in a nice house that my father built with his own hand. I however ended up travelling, out of necessity, living in a car for two years then a camper and now finally a lovely wooden caravan ( built with my own hand). I never want to live in a house again. I have a bath outside with a fire underneath. I love it!
@natscat4752
@natscat4752 2 месяца назад
Sounds ace.
@francescanguyen6703
@francescanguyen6703 4 месяца назад
My God. The intro song reminds me of my youth. I used to watch the programmes but I can’t remember how old I was. I’m 59 this September ( where has the time gone?). Yes, this programme and intro song has got me all melancholy. Great documentaries and I am so glad I come across this video. Please upload more of this kind of thing. Thanks for uploading this.
@tridbant
@tridbant 4 месяца назад
In the early sixties as a child I lived half an hour from Peterborough. We had the gypsies come round at the potato picking time. You never really saw them much, sometimes a woman would come round selling clothes pegs. I remember a girl attended a few weeks in my primary school.. She brought in an oujia board and we sat around it with our hands on the glass. The bloody thing started moving and we all jumped up screaming and running away. Never saw that girl again.
@somethingbright4268
@somethingbright4268 4 месяца назад
This is very interesting! I've met both trouble causing and very peaceful gypsies. Each to their own and love to all.
@wonderrob3225
@wonderrob3225 3 месяца назад
when I was in France years ago. I used to run along the river in mornings and often stop to draw in my sketchbook. i met some people there who had many cars and caravans. We began to say "bonjour" on a regular basis. A young fellow Invited me into their camp to have a drink. They were really nice people. I gave them some drawings from my book and drew a sketch of a little girl which i gave to her father. The drink we had (a few of) was what we U.S.A people call "White lightning"
@munchkinheaven7877
@munchkinheaven7877 3 месяца назад
Me too. I met a man who broke his wife’s nose, arm and ribs in separate incidents, she fed a neighbours small dog as the neighbour didn’t look after it, her husband took the dog and she never saw it again. I encouraged her to leave him and get a divorce, she did, then got a council place and was much happier. The husband married a woman he had been “friendly” with, but he kept threatening to take their only child from my friend. He lived on a gypsy owned caravan park. She was one of the pretties girls I had ever seen, she could have been a catwalk model, but all she wanted was a home and family. My only beef with gypsies is the mess they leave when they move on and how they treat their animals especially dogs and chickens! These animals were often 49:46 given into young children’s care to teach them how to make money with breeding but of course children “play” with them and rough handle them and forget to feed them etc so they are in a sorry state much of the time!
@somethingbright4268
@somethingbright4268 3 месяца назад
@@munchkinheaven7877 I agree with all u said !
@somethingbright4268
@somethingbright4268 3 месяца назад
@@wonderrob3225 it depends on how they are brought up and if kind inside or not. Just like everyone on earth really. That's a lovely story!
@wonderrob3225
@wonderrob3225 3 месяца назад
@@somethingbright4268 Thats true there are good and bad people all over the world. I want to believe that most are good. though sometimes i get downhearted
@jeanettebrown456
@jeanettebrown456 3 месяца назад
The way Violet Smith presents herself and responds to the interviewer’s questions is truly inspirational. I admire her attitude so very much and aspire to be even a smidgen as grounded as she
@natscat4752
@natscat4752 2 месяца назад
She was fabulous wasn’t she. That smile too.
@LANCSKID
@LANCSKID Месяц назад
@@natscat4752yes … lovely teeth.
@IN_THIS_DAY_AND_AGE
@IN_THIS_DAY_AND_AGE 3 месяца назад
He says Paston Ridings site isn't fit to live on. Whose fault is that? They also turned Oxney Road into a hit hole.
@bethanhamer.8669
@bethanhamer.8669 4 месяца назад
Omg the theme tune just took me back to when I was a kid 😮.
@francescanguyen6703
@francescanguyen6703 4 месяца назад
I hear you. It reminds me of my youth too.
@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts
@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts 4 месяца назад
What a really lovely film! Refreshingly honest and unromantic, but clear and fair. Now everyone claims to be true blood Roma or there are also so many more Irish travellers. In Britain the arrival of what are now known as Roma is actually well documented, arriving in Tudor times and at first being warmly received in court as exotic entertainers. To which they played up, the name gypsy coming about because the English thought that dark, exotic people were Egyptian... corrupted into gypsy. Of course poor labourers were often itinerant, moving with the seasonal work and these too became known as gypsy. When the original foreign Roma fell out of favour in Tudor times, because it was felt that too many were now arriving,harsh laws were passed and fishermen found bringing them across the channel could have their boats destroyed. Nothing much changes. It was refreshing to hear the chap talking about the different groups, because now everyone is convinced that if they have a gypsy background that makes them Roma.
@majordolbyscat
@majordolbyscat 4 месяца назад
Fascinating, thank you for taking the time to comment
@coryparni3620
@coryparni3620 4 месяца назад
They were never roma . Only roms and romni.
@diabolicalartificer
@diabolicalartificer 3 месяца назад
I've read that too. Not all travelers are Romany. From the little I know the Romany language has it's roots in India & is classed as Indo-European, see - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_language .I read an account of Romany's in the army in WW2 stationed in India talking to Indian railway workers and being able to understand each other to a point. There is a lot of myth & false rumor around the name Gypsy: not all travelers are Romany. The chap at the beginning mentions a curse on Ally Pally by " Petulengro Lee", Petulengro was a name given to a Gypsy in George Borrow's book - Romany Rye. It's a made up name, a pseudonym. In the Romany language or lav, it means "blacksmith" , petul = horseshoe, engro = master of. If you see fortune tellers etc calling themselves petulengro it's more a stage name. Lee is an old traveling name though, it's entomology means meadow or forest clearing, bit like Smith, meaning one who mends. It's interested to see the family at the beginning of the film living in a "tent" or bender, so called because hazel, ash or willow poles are bent forming an igloo shaped frame, a canvas tilt on top. I've lived in several benders, it's a great way to live, but hard. Most traveling family's lived in benders, prior to the horse drawn wagon, bowtop or vardo, or they used both. After that the caravan or trailer pulled by lorry's replaced them in turn.. I've lived on the road, but am not a Romani. I've met good travelers and bad. This film is an excellent record of traveling folk, thanks for posting.
@nataliapanfichi9933
@nataliapanfichi9933 3 месяца назад
​​​@@majordolbyscatgypsy wedding ceremony tradition: in the book the hunchback of notre dame, (notre dame de paris) the white non gypsy (he is a blonde -blue eyed Christian frenchman) poet Pierre Gringoire marries the green eyed dark haired gypsy girl esmeralda (he loves her , but she only does it to save him from the gallows because he trespassed on the high out of the court of miracles) and to make the marriage official the couple has to both drink from a jug and then break it.
@wonderrob3225
@wonderrob3225 3 месяца назад
when I was in France years ago. I used to run along the river in mornings and often stop to draw in my sketchbook. i met some people there who had many cars and caravans. We began to say "bonjour" on a regular basis. A young fellow Invited me into their camp to have a drink. They were really nice people. I gave them some drawings from my book and drew a sketch of a little girl which i gave to her father. The drink we had (a few of) was what we U.S.A people call "White lightning"
@donnasmyth45
@donnasmyth45 4 месяца назад
I'm a retired psychiatric nurse. I came across a few travellers over the years. I found them very well mannered and i was particularly fond of one man (traveller) who was a patient of mine for many years. I was in a small shop (a chemist) a good few years ago. There was a young, traveller woman browsing the shop..one of the workers stuck to her like glue the whole time..the young woman didn't bat an eyelid.. it was painfully obvious she was used to being treated that way.
@wonderrob3225
@wonderrob3225 3 месяца назад
when I was in France years ago. I used to run along the river in mornings and often stop to draw in my sketchbook. i met some people there who had many cars and caravans. We began to say "bonjour" on a regular basis. A young fellow Invited me into their camp to have a drink. They were really nice people. I gave them some drawings from my book and drew a sketch of a little girl which i gave to her father. The drink we had (a few of) was what we U.S.A people call "White lightning" I am no one from nowhere and i am always so happy when people accept me
@donnasmyth45
@donnasmyth45 3 месяца назад
@@wonderrob3225 that's a really lovely comment.
@mycinnamongirl
@mycinnamongirl 26 дней назад
@HalideHelix Some do, some don't. No different than gorgers. Are you trying to say that non Gypsies never steal?
@johngibson3837
@johngibson3837 4 месяца назад
Major Dolby and the cat thanks once again, this was a beautiful documentary. I lived in a small village not far from Cambridge until moving away when 13 and remember gipsy's selling pegs, a man on a bike that sharpened knives, once there were two onion sellers also with bikes and would see occasionally proper caravan pull by horse
@donnyetta
@donnyetta 4 месяца назад
Carefree?Just wish they would clean up after themselves instead of leaving dirty nappies along my boundary on the day they leave. The cheek of it! - I kept giving them buckets of water every time they asked. Their thanks is dirty nappies 🤦🏻‍♀
@carlbickle9467
@carlbickle9467 4 месяца назад
Beautiful documentary,I am of Roma heritage,it's good to see a non hateful look at us...thankyou.
@philippamcqueen5430
@philippamcqueen5430 4 месяца назад
Even though the commentator said 'I wouldn't want them living by me ' 😅..he slipped up there!
@UP_YRS_NWO
@UP_YRS_NWO 4 месяца назад
I got burgled by some of your clan last year, we have also had to endure fly tipping, shooting animals, violence, and now personal abuse, all whilst they claim to be victims. I'm sick to death of it now
@meggymoo1010
@meggymoo1010 3 месяца назад
They treat their animals terribly cruel.
@mycinnamongirl
@mycinnamongirl 26 дней назад
Some do, some don't. No different than gorgers.
@natscat4752
@natscat4752 2 месяца назад
Thanks for this fabulous documentary ⭐️ 😊
@Misscilla
@Misscilla 3 месяца назад
The original freemen on the land 🍀❤️
@ginnied7346
@ginnied7346 3 месяца назад
I remember the rag and bone man coming to the village with his little cart shouting " Rag n bone " at top of his voice
@JasonVoorheesFriday13th
@JasonVoorheesFriday13th 3 месяца назад
My experiences with gypsies when I lived near one of their sites were: 1- When I walked in front of the entry way to their sites and would stop to let them go out they would often wave or nod out of appreciation 2- (Presumably youths) on the site throwing fireworks into the road 3- A guy pulling up in his van asking for directions and the back of his ear was missing (obviously from a previous fight) Those were my experiences.
@ModestPigeone
@ModestPigeone 9 дней назад
Which site do you live near, if you don’t mind me asking
@user-en4mz1gj1e
@user-en4mz1gj1e 4 месяца назад
i have a few gypsies friends , and they are old friends , but there is good and bad amongst all groups etc .
@meestermeesterhastings.3159
@meestermeesterhastings.3159 4 месяца назад
Roma were kicked out of India in the eleventh and twelfth centuries they are the dark skinned black hair as pointed out by the educated lad, any group that shun the "Normal" system will be a target, the first mistake we make is the birth certificate we become a commodity from the day our parents sign the form. In the eye of the system a van dweller is the same as a boat dweller you will be Taxed out of the boat and into a flat/house I had a Girl friend who wanted to live as off grid as possible and she ended up with nothing, when all the shops are empty and people go hungry the Gypsies with be eating from the land as they have always done...
@kazirahman-bw7cn
@kazirahman-bw7cn Месяц назад
roma being kicke dout of india is justa theory as not even roma people knew where they came from un til 1760 but in past people believed they was from eygpt .so them being kicked out of india is not fact as alot of indians left india over millenias to china ,south east asia , europe,middle east ,north africa ,east africa .
@kazirahman-bw7cn
@kazirahman-bw7cn Месяц назад
indian sub continet has the largest population in world ,now . but this is not new because of fertile lands from fresh water from melting himmilayan mountains ice that irrigate the farms and so more population
@kazirahman-bw7cn
@kazirahman-bw7cn Месяц назад
my people traded with the romans so we sailed from bengal to eygpt then to constinaple ,so this been going on for thousand sof years
@user-hp9xg2oe7l
@user-hp9xg2oe7l 4 месяца назад
Seems like a different time and it wasn't that long ago!! Its amazing how life seemed more down to earth!
@theefishlippedone
@theefishlippedone 4 месяца назад
The gypsy council man is very articulate about their history
@milligan8679
@milligan8679 4 месяца назад
Thanks for what you have given us👍
@Mindyobusiness999
@Mindyobusiness999 3 месяца назад
Lovely video. I love the gypsies, i resonate with them deeply. Lots and lots of love to all of them living free❤❤❤
@marymary5494
@marymary5494 7 дней назад
Fascinating.
@mycinnamongirl
@mycinnamongirl 26 дней назад
I can name many of the people in this video, because I am related to them!
@user-gf1xg5zd9l
@user-gf1xg5zd9l 2 месяца назад
The family living in the tent are amazing. Wonder how the daughter’s life turned out?
@alanhargreaves-thevoiceofr2361
@alanhargreaves-thevoiceofr2361 4 месяца назад
Great Docu ...thanks Major . . !!!
@crystalawen
@crystalawen 4 месяца назад
They ‘could’ always ‘buy’ their own land / instead of wanting free land ... why should they be given land ? when others have to pay.
@ModestPigeone
@ModestPigeone 4 месяца назад
Many of us do. But 1: land is expensive. 2: we still have the government breathing down our neck, so we aren’t much better off. 3: what if I buy land in Sheffield, and fancy having a shift down to London?
@crystalawen
@crystalawen 4 месяца назад
@@ModestPigeone I guess you do what building dwellers have to ; sell up and buy somewhere else...
@ModestPigeone
@ModestPigeone 4 месяца назад
@@crystalawen not really reasonable with our way of life is it mate?
@crystalawen
@crystalawen 4 месяца назад
@@ModestPigeone well, mate - I would Love the gov to give me land ; half an acre would do fine... but if they won’t give it to me or others why should they give it to you ?
@ModestPigeone
@ModestPigeone 4 месяца назад
@@crystalawen we aren’t asking them to give us land
@rayskitten78
@rayskitten78 3 месяца назад
I live down the road from ali pali there have been 2 fires not 1
@wonderrob3225
@wonderrob3225 3 месяца назад
when I was in France years ago. I used to run along the river in mornings and often stop to draw in my sketchbook. i met some people there who had many cars and caravans. We began to say "bonjour" on a regular basis. A young fellow Invited me into their camp to have a drink. They were really nice people. I gave them some drawings from my book and drew a sketch of a little girl which i gave to her father. The drink we had (a few of) was what we U.S.A people call "White lightning"
@munchkinheaven7877
@munchkinheaven7877 3 месяца назад
My mind is buzzing with questions such as, what happened to the daughter, did one of her siblings take her in? Did she get married, have children? What happened to the parents? They could not continue this life, did the state take them and place them somewhere? What happened when they died, did the state bury them? I have a dozen other questions, not regarding gypsies per se but this family!
@tinamartin8890
@tinamartin8890 4 месяца назад
Thankyou Major!!!
@beverlybradley5485
@beverlybradley5485 11 дней назад
I actually think it’s definitely due to different times, gypsies were more respectful and kept to themselves, but now the younger generation are more criminal minded than their older generation, obsessed with fighting and being flashy.
@vivienneandersson6019
@vivienneandersson6019 4 месяца назад
Thanks!
@user-en4mz1gj1e
@user-en4mz1gj1e 4 месяца назад
todays female travellers are very beautiful barbie-like , and they still do that grabbing a bride tradition at weddings , the only part of the community i dont like is the old fashioned abuse of horses , where horses get drowned , over worked , not all gypsies have the same old school beliefes , but going against any long tradition in ones community is going to get one singled out of the community , many young gypsies trying to escape the old school ways today find it hard , the younger generation what to move on but its so so hard for them ,
@philippamcqueen5430
@philippamcqueen5430 4 месяца назад
Also some of the young married gypsy girls put up with domestic abuse
@beverlybradley5485
@beverlybradley5485 11 дней назад
I bet the old couple who lived in the tent outside, would decline quickly when they live in a house, being outdoors for years has made them hardy and resilient, the interviewer asking their daughter what she did in the evenings seems surprised she was doing what most young people do, listening to records and watching television, but I do think the lack of education is a disservice to their children, it gives them more opportunities.
@keefsmiff
@keefsmiff 2 дня назад
She was 35 , he was 38
@seriousros7280
@seriousros7280 4 месяца назад
Thank You
@StaMel604
@StaMel604 3 месяца назад
Diddy coy. Haven’t heard that term for years.
@mycinnamongirl
@mycinnamongirl 26 дней назад
True, now we say posh ratt!
@beverlybradley5485
@beverlybradley5485 11 дней назад
Wasn’t there a kids program, in the 70’s about a gypsy girl, and they used to call her a Diddy coy, can’t remember what the name of it was.
@adrianh332
@adrianh332 3 дня назад
You need to differentiate between Genuine Romanys and Travelers its the latter group that causes problems. I used to work in a Surrey hospital and we had a mixture of genuine Romanys and Travelers, never had any bother with the Romanys but the Travelers were a different bunch and prone to sudden outbursts of extreme violence. I learned to walk on egg shells around the Travelers otherwise there was a real risk of getting punched by a gold sovereign ring encrusted fist that acted like a knuckle duster and could do some serious damage.
@user-hr1wq4gv6g
@user-hr1wq4gv6g 3 месяца назад
❤❤❤love them all
@christopherd.winnan8701
@christopherd.winnan8701 4 месяца назад
I am afraid that I am only here for the documentaries. Looks like i will have to go elsewhere//////
@majordolbyscat
@majordolbyscat 4 месяца назад
And your free to come and go at your hearts content, and I'm not going to stop you.
@christopherd.winnan8701
@christopherd.winnan8701 4 месяца назад
@@majordolbyscat - I know that but I was hoping that you might have some more interesting docus??
@pianobusker
@pianobusker 4 месяца назад
@@christopherd.winnan8701 its a documentary on the gypsies..if i'm not mistaken.Very interesting,I grew up playing football with them by the canal in Walsall,happy days
@natscat4752
@natscat4752 2 месяца назад
@@christopherd.winnan8701I found this very interesting.
@wils35
@wils35 3 месяца назад
1:10 is Amy Winehouse
@LawrenceBishton
@LawrenceBishton 16 дней назад
Free(G)land ?????
@LANCSKID
@LANCSKID Месяц назад
What … no Jan Francis? So disappointing … 🤵‍♂️👩🏻‍🦱
@user-es7fm1be3p
@user-es7fm1be3p 4 месяца назад
The jipo is the modern Jew
@mycinnamongirl
@mycinnamongirl 26 дней назад
And your kind's days are numbered.
@Dinadino994
@Dinadino994 4 месяца назад
As soon as I can afford it I’m buying an ancestry kit , I’ve no idea about our history beyond my grandparents & heard we had Roma but fair few other places . I know in my soul I’m a van dweller Tho :)
@majordolbyscat
@majordolbyscat 4 месяца назад
Expect Norwegian / Danish ancestry to prominently feature the further you go back 😉 Either way if I wasn’t ever so slightly concerned about what these companies do with my DNA I’d be more than interested in finding out myself. Go with your gut instinct, Best of luck on your quest
@Barbara-yl4sw
@Barbara-yl4sw 3 месяца назад
It has nothing to do with your soul and everything to do with your DNA!
@ModestPigeone
@ModestPigeone 9 дней назад
If you weren’t brought up by gypsy parents, you aren’t a gypsy. Nothing more we hate than people saying there a gypsy because they have 3.8% DNA of Romani
@Whatsnormal637
@Whatsnormal637 4 месяца назад
Survival 🤺💐
@buskingkarma2503
@buskingkarma2503 4 месяца назад
There really is good and bad in every one!,,but the majority of travellers these days do seem to live up to the bad stereotypes 👎unfortunately,,,but after years and years of being stereotyped like they have,,can you really blame them?
@James-ly3wf
@James-ly3wf 3 месяца назад
Like watching footage of the last American Indians being put on the reservation
@ModestPigeone
@ModestPigeone 9 дней назад
Literally. Most of us live on sites owned by the government nowadays, or our own land
@sunny9233
@sunny9233 4 месяца назад
❤❤❤
@paulacol2142
@paulacol2142 3 месяца назад
A beautiful gypsy wagon. In rolling hills sorounded by a pretty meadow,, sleeping beneath a blanket of stars ,and as free as the wind ❤️❤️❤️✨✨✨✨💯
@angelswithdirtyfaces1
@angelswithdirtyfaces1 4 месяца назад
Brilliant way of life ❤
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