Context is important, as lieutenant level shinigami are dodging light casually, byakuya is casually multiple times faster than any lieutenant, so even scaling a lieutenant as relativistic, both ichigo and byakuya are ftl in the first major arc of the story
You could also prove that Ichigo and Byakuya are casually ftl by using the negacion. The vice captains, who are proven WEAKER than the captains, are able to dodge the light speed negacion that Aizen and his comrades used to leave the Soul Society. Also, if you go even further back. You can say Ichigo was ftl before he even went to Soul Society to save Rukia. When he's fighting the menos grande back in Karakura Town, he reacts to and blocks the cero it fires. The cero is confirmed to be light in the data books, and then a massively more powerful Ichigo blitzes and one shots each of the vice captains on Soukyoku Hill who are all casually faster than light. Then he uses bankai on top of that, which is a multiplier of at least 5 times, since Ichigo hadn't mastered his bankai before fighting Byakuya, so he wouldn't be getting the 10 times boost in power and speed. So you can easily argue that Ichigo is at least between 1-5x ftl when he fights Byakuya, and even faster once White takes over, since he would get the 10x boost of the bankai. Bleach characters were casually light speed in the very first arc, and are exponentially faster by the end of the series
@@slipherthevic3910 exactly, gins true ability is his move he used on aizen. theres no such thing as a speed based zanpakto and as speed is tied to your Shunpo and HoHo prowess
I love how one of them ask what move is ichigo using in that final strike and ichigo never even use any other move than getsugatensho for the whole series. Also, byakuya said that shuhei hakutenkei is his strongest move but he never used it ever again
I'm just saying, by the end of the manga, Ichigo in Shikai > Yamamoto in Bankai (who could destroy all of soul society just by existing). Then Ichigo can stack his hollow powers (x10) and his Bankai (another x10). We never saw his Bankai ability but Yhwach was scared of it.
@@sinisterblack6954 true, I think I'm just saying that cos Yhwach said he had the power he had when he beat Aizen (when looking at Shikai Ichigo). Hollowfied shikai Ichigo is definitely tougher than Bankai Yamamoto though.
@@RiseStreamer it's not just debatable, we saw Yhwach could beat Ichibei (who is stronger than Yamamoto) and yet True Shikai Ichigo could take on Yhwach pretty well.
@@matthewjutzen424 is true shikai really that strong, I mean he launch a getsugajuujisho at one of the stenriters without her volstand and still alive and people say it is stronger than dangai. I would have expected dangai to one shot a stenriters without their volstand (he might need to use a getsugatensho though)
@@DIEFORME173 logia devil fruit eaters... even paramesia types like WB. Naruto main hacks are dimensional abilities and the ability to attack the soul directly. Sealing if you want to count that to but one piece also has haki, literal future sight, and beings that change their molecule structure so you can ONLY hit them when you have haki or something that negates the DF
@@izrael820 Then you have the most hax anime of all, Bleach which literally has people like aizen who can erase someone's existence with just his spiritual pressure and then people like ywach who can give people power and then once honed and built up he can take his power back. Or even The banned bankais like Shinji's. Bleach is getting quite rediculous if u ask me!
@@DIEFORME173 yea but DBZ is just brute strength. They would only have trouble against DF abilities that are logia. Croc is the only person I can think of that can beat anyone in DBZ that's from OP and naruto and its only because of his right handed ability. Every other logia or DF ability wont work on them since they blitz and can pretty much withstand any offense they throw at them. Certain characters in bleach are obviously DBZ level with their hax
The best display of power in Bleach anime is probaly in the Hell Verse Movie when Ichigo gets pissed of, transforms and send a blast trough all layers of Hell (is considered a multiverse)
@@skittles664 but displays the power well. Isn't that what this guy want? Kubo even went on to say the movie is what he thinks Vasto Lorde fight should have been like.
yea this is true if we go off of power scaling and overall power of their respective verse. But if we were to go off of the show being best to worst, then it would be: One Piece>>>Bleach>>>Naruto>>>Dragon ball. Not saying any of these shows are bad or anything but this is my personal opinion as well.
starting at 8:09 is when byakuya starts to get serious, the whole time he held back cause he didn't believe ichigo really had bankai but once he got stabbed he started to try that's why you see his spiritual pressure start to rise and hes able to keep up with ichigo right away, it's one of his weaknesses to his old personality, he gets cocky and doesn't really try 100% against his opponents, had he been serious when he was fighting renji the fight would of ended faster than renji could imagine
Y’all need to just get to bleach it’s a bigger topic than AoT anyway. Plus some of us could probably stop goin crazy once you finally learn something. I been subbed too long for u to still be wylin no cap
Bleach characters break through dimensions, Ichigo hollow form broke the chains of hell, Aizen walks pass people they ERASE! because his spiritual pressure is to much for weaker people, even if naruto and one piece powers worked on them it’s shown that if they’re stronger then the user they’re spiritual pressure negates their power example such as when the Captain ( idk her name) who stabs you twice in the same spot you die did it to Aizen it didn’t work because he was much stronger 😌
I started DYING when bro said “Where did he go x2?? I woulda fount eeem n’ Stabbed his bi**h a55 up” 😂😂😂😂 but also I don’t think the Homies understand that having a super High Attack Potency doesn’t always have to result in the needless destruction of the battlefield 😂😂 and yeah Byakuya wasn’t trying his Hardest because he cares about Rukya and he was also being hella cocky cause he thinks he’s like completely superior to ichigo just like almost everybody Byakuya Fights lmaoo SMH 🤦♂️
Yo Lelouch, if I know just about everything revolving around Bleach. I know most things about all the characters in the anime and manga. If you need clarification or need to answer any questions about Bleach, I got you.
You know what’s a crazy topic. Big 3 versus dragon ball verse. Like I’m not sure goku out of ultra instinct can handle something like ichigo and Trafalgar Law. Not to mention dimension traveling sasuke. It’s a long topic but a collab would be great for it.
🤔 Hmm one of the most powerful displays of power in the Bleach anime? I would have to say when Ichigo blew up hell and some of his power broke into the real world! That was from the movie Hell Verse, I already suggested that to you guys! You already seen Aizen and Hell Verse is after him.
Unfortunately the movie isn’t cannon though, none of them are, still has a ton of badass fights in it though. They have seen Vasto Ichigo against Ulquiorra already though.
@@lithiumwhiskey1891 Yeah it is! Kubo said it was! Did you see the Ullqiorra fight at the beginning of the movie? The movie took place sometime after that fight.
@@lordmalice8368 Kubo talks openly about the movie and how he doesn’t like it, he recently made it not cannon with the new arc of Bleach he is currently writing about Hell, the only praise he has given that movie is the opening scene where Ulquiorra and Ichigo fight and he’s said he wished he could get animation for fights like that in the main series. You can find everything I’m talking about in interviews with him about the movie and the Hell Verse movie not being cannon is a fairly new thing, however it was never 100% cannon just partial cannon, that’s why people don’t typically use the movies for powerscaling the series despite some of the feats in them because they aren’t cannon and aren’t written by Kubo.
The guy that wearing black cloth clearly underestimated Bleach characters. The reason those cliff is still intact is because they are focus their power to each other and sometime they fight on air
I feel like y’all don’t take actual hacks and abilities into account unless its one piece characters, for any other anime yall look at i feel like in your minds you’re like “ that explosion wasn’t big enough” Naruto is faster than light and literally has yin yang release (truth seeker orbs) that will DELETE you if you touch them. The leader of the thirteen court guard squads in bleach could destroy the entire soul society with his mere existence and his bankai had spiritual flames that will burn away your entire soul. Ichigo also literally destroys the gates of hell in a movie too.
This is the only channel that compares naruto to ichigo like he didn't even watch out bleach but say shit like naruto can solo bleach luffy can solo bleach bro don't even known how to power scale but he think can like watch out bleach and read manga
Aye if you need to know anything about bleach I got you my man. I literally just rewatched it so it’s still fresh in my mind and i read the manga. You got questions and I got answers. I also watch and read one piece as well if you want comparisons
like lelouch said spiritual pressure is like conquerors haki and it can make people that are to weak unable to fight back. also destroying the surroundings isnt a good sign of power considering thatd be power wasted around you and considering goku trains with whis and vegeta without destroying the planet theyre on puts a hole in the in any other verse theyd of destroyed this rock thing. id honestly suggest you guys watch the fight where krillin fights jackie chun in og dragonball where they show how stupid fast they are even that early on.
Them powering up in dbz would not have did all that lol, and how does that equate to power? That's like saying because my character doesn't have the abilities to power up that means I'm not that guy.. but I guess it all ways goes back mah explosion
Fr, like they levitate rubble, they aint bussin mountains down by yelling, plus it's not like they can't break it themselves...like why they gonna just destroy the platform they fighting on for no reason??? and aside from DB none of the others was easily bussin mountains near the beggining....in fact that don't even happen for DB until Z
@@AnubisVoid in DB they already showed moon level attacks and then didnt do it again until DBZ. Just the colateral of a fight isnt reliable when power scaling
Have them watch fusion Reborn Goku vs Janemba Lelouch or Piccolo vs 17. If we need Canon... show them Beerus vs super saiyan god Goku shake the universe HAHA!!!!
they say something at the start of video saying in a power fight its DBZ naruto one piece and then bleach like bro don't even known how half of bleach characters are in a power fight its will always be : DBZ BLEACH NARUTO ONE PIECE
One Piece is the weakest the characters aren't made to destroy cities and shit. Bleach characters can effect the world just by existing. One Piece is great but most characters couldn't destroy an island where Bleach and Naruto can
Again you can't compare DBZ characters to Bleach characters its completely different in terms of power scaling and what they can do. Bleach is such a different kind of fight and I love it
This is ichigo in his frist arc not many characters are this strong in there frist arc. like even goku in dragon ball could not even destroy a wall. In the frist arc when they were traped
@lelouch vibri you need to watch the main arcs of bleach, skip the filler just watch main arcs so you have context for analysis, of course if you only watched the soul society arc you're going to think it's the series at the bottom, but you've only seen a small fraction of the powers displayed at the end of the series, which you refuse to acknowledge because it has yet to be animated, but by the time you make it through the main arcs it should be, you're scaling bleach like someone who only watched the first part of naruto trying to scale naruto, which is pretty ridiculous watch soul society arc, arrancar arc, fullbringer arc, by then the war arc should be animated, and until you know what happens in the war arc you really shouldn't comment on bleach
Ok before u Argue WATCH THE VIDEO IF YOU WANT TO SEE HOW FAST GOKU IS ABD STRONG ITS BEEN PROVEN BY SETH PLEASE LELOUCH 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏@Lelouch show keem Jiren is soloing one piece in a peco second he is literally SEPTILLIONS of times faster than light and his fist HOLDS THE AP NOT DC of a attack that can destroy a universe meaning he hits as hard as something that will destroy the universe GOKU was literally doing it in a form that’s weak when he was 1000S OF TIMES WEAKER WITH AP AND DC(destructive capacity) goku’s fist clashing with equal force was going to destroy the universe AT THE START OF SUPER just so u know he has infact ABSORBED GOD INTO HIS BASE meaning he STARTS AT GOD LEVEL IN BASE then gets a 50x amp in only ssj 1 so he’s atleast 25x universal because beerus was also contributing equal force so 25x universal in SSJ 1 AT THE START OF SUPER then he can amp himself With A UNIVERSAL INCREASE WHICH IS SSJ GOD ON TOP OF HIS UNIVERSAL BASE FORM because he absorbed universal power into base AS IT IS STATED and the speed argument I’ll prove it just watch both videos so you are no longer uneducated it’s from seththeprogrammer on someone else’s channel ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BSarLM4FGOY.html (Multipliers of GOKU proving he is universal IN BASE ) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-akGE5XKThB4.html (SPEED of goku proven to be atleast BARE MINIMUM a billion times ftl )
If we talking fights ain no way one piece got better fights it’s definitely dbz, two is between bleach and naruto shippuden and one piece is always last in fights
bro what? I know this is a joke but still, weve seen planets get blown up with literally no difficulty for these people like freiza for example, blowing up planet Vageta
@@nixxlol4308 forget freeza, base vegeta before coming to earth in the sayan saga blew up a planet, heck even king vegeta could blow up planets, and this guy is talking about broly 🤣.
@@anuraagsinha1850 lol that's exactly what im saying. people like Piccolo were able to destroy the moon even with a power level of barely over 400. But then again the dude was obviously trolling tho lol
@@nixxlol4308 these people trippin ideky ppl still bring and have the nerve to bring up db when it comes to power scaling and the shows one piece naruto and bleach are being compared like give the trolling up it’s been how many years now?
Ok so it really goes DBS THEN DBZ and that’s really all that matter the rest are too fodder but if you want to get into that it’s easily naruto >>>>>>>>>>>bleach >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>one piece
@@ultraart9263 I’ve finished watching all of bleach and have seen enough from the manga… bleach fans underplay naruto n overhype everything in bleach 😂the soul society isn’t that big and people try to say destroying it is impressive
