things i hate in the vocaloid fandom 

Unpopular opinion: pirating discontinued vocaloids is okay. i’m sorry but we aren’t getting SeeU or Piko again so why not preserve them ?

If people wanna fight over ships maybe they should just become pirates

Kaito used to be a crackhead but now they make him so serious in head cannons-

when ppl say other newer vocaloid fans "arent real fans" because they cant list every single vocaloid and utau ever released

The main thing I dislike about the fandom is newer fans calling classic Vocaloid songs “PJSK” songs. Like you will NEVER catch me calling Worlds End Dancehall or Romeo and Cinderella a “PJSK” song On that topic, you will also NEVER catch me calling Miku and the others virtual singers

Vocaloid fans when you say “I like the twins and Teto” and not “I like the mirror images Kagamine Rin and Kagamine Len as well as the fan favorite utauloid Kasane Teto, which is a free alternative to Vocaloid software”

the death of mmd vids is actually kinda upsetting

Things I dislike in the vocaloid community : 1. People that spread misinformation, especially on tik tok with the new fans 2. "(Insert popular vocaloid) is so underrated!!!!" 3. People that force headcanon 4. "Song = ✨ lyrics = 💀" mf 5. People that make such a big deal out of the smallest thing 6. People that always complain about s3xual vocaloid songs but listen to WAP daily 7. People that think listening to Kikuo and MASA is "soooo quirky" for liking "dark" songs. Like ffs they're not the only ones that make dark songs, talk about other producers please These are just my opinion

I h8 it when Sega, Crypton, Internet Co., SynthV, my grandma, and basically EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER will say "nothing is really 100% canon about these characters, you're able to do whatever you want with them" and people will still be like "" errm you can't do that with that vocaloid because that's not canon☝🤓""

KAITO BEING 13?????? NO WAY 😭 UR KIDDING.....

I hate the fact that the current fandom simply only cares about the project sekai and doesn't give ANY visibility to Vocaloids other than Cryptonloids... "Oh, but, the pwoject sekwai saves the vocawoid fando-" NO! THEY DIDN'T!

“Rinku cannon 😊” ok, I have a cannon aiming for your house.

Omg I hate it when people hate on Miku just bc she’s the most popular vocaloid 😭 Like I get the other vocaloid deserve attention too, but that’s no reason to be shitting on Miku 💀

I also hate how newer fans are so shocked over taboo topics in Vocaloid songs. As long as the song isnt glorifying said topic, writing a song to express oneself is fine

It’s always the Rinku and Kameiko fans who force their own head canons on everyone

I hate it when ppl get mad over vocaloid songs having suggestive or inappropriate lyrics like dude isn't that what 80% of all music is about???? Edit: also as a pjsk fan I apologize for the pjsk side of the vocaloid fandom

The only think I hate about this fandom is yes the “canon” shet. Like I don’t care 😭

things i hate about the vocaloid fandom: 1. everything (/lh)

Something that really annoys me about the current vocaloid fandom is how much gatekeeping there is. The amount of people complaining about 'new vocaloid fans' is insane. Yeah some new fans are really annoying, but they're also just being introduced to vocaloid. Of course they'd get stuff wrong. Just correct them politely and move on

I hate when people make a big deal about the lyrics of a song. This is mainly from newer fans/fans who came from project sekai. They wouldn't last 10 seconds listening to Gigantic O.T.N.

VOCALOIDS ARE ANYTHING YOU WANT THEM TO BE AND PEOPLE NEED TO STOP RESTRICTING OTHERS FROM HAVING FUN 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

Guys Len can canonically ride a motorcycle because I saw this one video from like 3 years ago where he was saying the lines of Shadow the Hedgehog and Shadow the Hedgehog can ride a motorcycle.

things i hate about the vocaloid fandom -pjsk players that consider the games' characters as vocaloids

I find it so weird that preteens and teens are so anti-piracy *when it comes to big corpo things like softwares or movies*, but at the same time they just yoink any and every song, cover, fanart, etc. for their tiktok shorts, they repost animatics without credits, like, hellooooo, what you're doing is also piracy and it's even more scummy than what you stand against...

The stuff about “what’s canon” is so annoying. Most of these characters are designed to be blank slates to be used any way you want. Even things like characters’ official ages don’t necessarily need to be taken as canon, they are literally just voice synthesizers at the end of the day. I mean if you wanted you could headcanon Miku as a 40 year old man, these characters were made for you to depict them any way you want.

People who for some reason keep clinging to the idea of Vocaloid being "dead" They've been saying it since like what? 2016? and they STILL say it now. Vocaloid hasn't gone and won't go anywhere.

Teto is a chimera and for a chimera 30 is the equivalent of being 15 in human years

I don't like it when people say "Cryptonloids aren't Vocaloids anymore because they've been updated to Piapro." Their Vocaloid banks aren't discontinued and I could buy one officially if I wanted to, so they're both Vocaloids AND Piapro. It's almost like saying Yamine Renri isn't an UTAU anymore because she was updated to SynthV, and I'm not aware whether her UTAU has been updated recently but I'm certain it's still available for download as of June 2024

for me its basically the pjsk side. they harass you for liking a ship. or not liking a ship. PICK A SIDE i just wanted something that feels like project diva

100% my biggest pet peeve is age discourse. Any vocaloid can be any age, i really dont care unless the actual irl voice provider is a child.

3:59 ill never forget trying to download ficking AMONG US CREWMATE models and the creator put a whole riddle for the password which was : "The name of the song from Ariana Grande's 6th album, i.e. Positions, where Doja Cat is featured. (No capital letters or spaces. No numbers or decimals.)" LIKE ITS SO RIDICULOUS SORRY WHAT IS THAT

As a person who doesn't give a fuck about ships, I'm just watching all like : 🍿🍿🍿

2015 you looks so funny im SOBBING My personal annoyance is still when people credit the vocaloid instead of the producer 💔 it’s gotten better since it was in the 2010-2015 era but I think sekai kinda revamped it a little. It’s still not as bad as it used to be though thankfully

Totally see the fun haters everywhere. Especially with ships. For example, if you say you like mikuluka a wave of those just come and comment “nooooo miku and luka have canon age!7!&9&! You can’t s-ship them!” No they are instruments who are ment to be anything you want (and both have voice providers who are ADULT women. ) imagine how many songs wouldn’t exist if a lot of vocaloids had a canon age. And MikuLuka makes me happy and smile since I was 12.

something i hate about vocaloid fandom is actually not really the fandom its the fucking program like WHY VOCALOID 5 & 6 ARE SO TRASH 😭😭😭😭😭😭

People say that gakupo and gumi are siblings ???

I’m gonna list some things I hate too 1. Some pjsekai fans tend to spread a lot of misinformation and not even try to inform themselves, like claiming Miku is from the game and that songs like Remote control is from the game. 2. THE WHOLE RABBIT HOLE SITUATION. NEED I SAY MORE?? 3. Not 100% sure if this has happened but I’ve heard it mentioned, new fans sending death threats to creators for making dark songs. 4. How hateful the fandom has become, maybe I was just too young to notice before but I feel like ever since late 2020-now everyone has become so toxic. It’s like all the bad things we heard about for example the genshin and dmsp fandom is getting fkn bluetoothed over to us. 5. The ship culture, people will kill you for liking “the wrong one” and use the p*do card on anything related to Miku cause “she’s 16”. 6. The slow disappearance of the crazy Len stans, watching their madness was fkn hilarious. I mean it’s probably a good thing but people are getting serious now and I never see the absolute abominations people created before. 7. THE WAY PJSEKAI ABSOLUTELY BUTCHERED EVERY VOICEBANK IN THEIR COVERS I HATE IT SO MUCH I QUIT THE GAME. IT GIVES PEOPLE HORRIBLE IMPRESSIONS OF THEM. 8. The fkn elitism seen in pjsk with the people playing the Japanese version acting like they rule the world, being super rude and gatekeeping towards other players. 9. People going crazy about songs with sensitive topics like it doesn’t exist in every other genre and it’s not the creators responsibility to please you. Thanks for listening to my rant💀

The piracy one is so real. The site I used to pirate vocaloids got taken down 😔

The thing I hate about the fandom 1) Yes FUKASE'S ONE IS SO TRUE 2) "Oh my god is that Kagamine Len from Project Sekai?"

nothing saddens me more than the fact that funny MMD videos are dead ;-;

As a project sekai player (hell just look at my PFP), project sekai players annoy the hell out of me. Like please, not everything is problematic. RABBIT HOLE IS NOT A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY, it’s a bop.

there are alot of ppl in the vocaloid fandom ACTIVELY who are over 20!! hell, you'll find me in the nursing home vibing to my vocaloid playlist. i love the old classic songs just as much as the new ones I'm never getting out of this 'phase' HAH

Things i hate in the vocaloid fandom: tourists Headcanons: 👍👍 Fighting about which hc is more valid: 👎👎👎👎👎

*Things I hate in the Vocaloid fandom:* - The puritans who think Rabbit Hole is the worst thing that's ever existed. - The FNF fans, I just stay away from them. - People who force their headcanons onto others (especially gender and pronouns) - "Those" Project Sekai fans. - The new fans vs old fans war (let's all live in harmony, please). - People who take characters too seriously: I saw people sending means threats and accusing someone of p-dophilia just for simping over Ruko, a 6 foot tall character who wears a visible thong, has a gambling addiction and drinks coffee who happens to be "12 years old". The creator themself confirmed that the age is a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously, but those people's excuses? "I was tall as a 12 year old, plus there are 12 year olds who gamble and wear such clothes". Seriously, don't bring real life laws into stuff like these, you won't get arrested over it. Plus you're just making yourself appear delusional (unless the characters are voiced by children like Kaai Yuki, this may be reportable but still, it's better to block than harass otherwise you're just stooping to their level). - Ship wars and discourse. The Kagamine ship won't burn your house, and so does the Miku x Kaito ship so calm down and be civil to others. I myself feel uncomfortable around some content that I dislike, but what do I do? Scroll away, mute the ship name or block the account related to the content. Also harassment is a big no, you're just poisoning the fandom (and see the above). - People who always bring drama in the fandom. - Crappy MMD model rules (a Luka model had a rule that prohibits shipping her with men because she's only made for lesbian ships) - There's something that happened that annoyed me: so Masa works design has an old song that's lost media "Interface", when I found a video titled something like "Interface another footage found", I clicked on it, but it was some crappy meme, turns out it was only to clickbait the Masa fans because of the controversy surrounding Masa *(separate the creation from the creator or don't upload at all, jeez.)* Anyways, sorry if I sound too pessimistic. I just chill with the fandom and block toxic people. *A little advice:* if you want to engage safely with the fandom, avoid TikTok at all costs.

I hate the inforced headcanons its ridiculous like they are free use characters ON PURPOSE!

The KAITO being 13 headcannon is WILD lol i guess freedom for interpretation but jesus that man looks at least in his late 20s early 30s. Still love him to pieces

Why does everyone still fight about whether teto's utau or synthV is better? They were built to work together and sound phenomenal when hamonized correctly.

On the Fukase age headcanons thing I kind of get why people put him younger sometimes -- one thing to note is the ship Oliver × Fukase is VEEEERY popular so people like to put Fuka in Oliver's age range for ship reasons. It also doesn’t help that Fukase has _chronic babyface,_ of which has been intensifying as of late: for whatever reason, Mikuma//3kMA (Fuka's official illustrator) has been drawing him a bit younger looking in their more recent arts. I personally headcanon Fukase to be 17, but just god awful levels of short. He has never seen the top shelf in his entire life and that will likely never change.

Things I hate, you ask? How Mayu was going to get a scale figure but it was cancelled. I weep everyday thinking about how I will never have my perfect little bby girl sitting on my shelf watching me sleep. Mayu deserves better.

vocaloid has two sides the good and nice side and the questionable side

Hi. Japanese here. I apologize if the translator misreads my words. Is it just me who gets a bit annoyed when I see others say, "Oh, I made Miku sing this song with AI, that is basically what Vocaloid is." I think AI has ruined a lot of people's opinions on Vocaloid and UTAU and whatnot. Honestly, it is so hard to make a Vocaloid or UTAU song, so I just carefully explain to those people. I apologize for the intrusion. Great video!

Also the little note about how in the vocaloid fandom it seems ‘fun is slowly getting banned’ I feel like that’s recently been a problem for a lot of fandoms unfortunately. It’s been recently feeling like if you accidentally take the wrong step everybody is going to be at your throat in certain fandom spaces more than others, whether it’s because you shipped the wrong ship or you liked the wrong characters, etc. But maybe that’s just me lol

One thing about Vocaloid fandom I wish is more common is that fans give credit to the producers of music, not just the voices . The producer worked hard to create the song, do not just say it was made by Miku, someone created it !

Ran into someone a few days ago that didn't want people to ship Miku and Teto because Teto is 31. I explained the age joke to them but it was still funny seeing such a comment. Also the thing I hate the most is people not crediting producers but crediting the software or in pjs case, the in game band. Then they get mad when people ask them to credit producers.

1:12 fnf community calling miku and bf siblings moment 💀

What I hate: -When hardcore Miku X KAITO fans sent hate to MEIKO on any of her songs just because people started pairing MEIKO with KAITO. This was a long time ago but it still hurts. Also those stupid puzzles just to download a Model. MY HEAD

as a fellow old person I couldnt agree more

I'm an older Vocaloid fan who entered the fandom around 2009/2010, but I've started calling most characters "Voice Synths", "Virtual Idols" or "Virtual Singers". There's so many new synths these days, and many characters are switching programs, so I thought that would be easier. But when I called Miku a Virtual Singer an older fan started bashing me, saying I sounded like an "uneducated Sekai fan". If you wanna continue calling them Vocaloids that's fine, but why do people gotta be so triggered when you're just using another correct term? Even Crypton calls them Virtual Singers now.

ı HATE HATE H A T E ppl that force their headcanon of rin and len being twins down ur throat like its spesifically said that they are mirrored images of eachother if ppl wanna ship them its fine like u wont die i dont even ship them but my god we used to have freedom in this community

The "no old people" and "MMD passwords" parts are so true! Some things I hate about the current vocal synth fandom: 1. Elitism about AI. A lot of AI fans complain about standard fans being elitist over the old robot sound being better than the realistic sound of contemporary AI vocal synths, but I would argue that the AI fans who act elitist over the realistic sound being better than the robot sound are even worse. These people insist that basically every Vocaloid should have a SynthV version. 2. No respect to Utau voicebank devs. We put so much work into voicebanks and it all gets overlooked except by other Utau voicebank devs because it's just lowly Utau.

My favorite thing about Vocaloid is that they're a blank slate. I used to write fan fiction all the time when I was younger , and if I were to post now, people would be upset by the things I made Miku say. I also hate the Project Sekai and Vocaloid debates I see on Pinterest.

Most newer fans are from pjsk so i basically hate everything about the fandoms

more related to evillious but those ppl who say sati is gakupo and refuse to use his name and just call him gakupo (or riliane - rin, allen/alexiel - len, banica - meiko, gallerian - kaito, nemesis - gumi, kayo - luka, margarita - miku etc.). thats like if you said jason dean is christian slater. i mean you're right but it's a character being played by an actor.

THANK YOU! 90% of the people who act grossed out by Rin and Len being shipped already know and already know and have been told that they're not siblings a thousand times. We all know, you don't need to remind us. At this point you're the one who should realize that it still grosses us out due to how their designs look.

I feel like we also get a lot of people taking the "canon" too seriously too. Like ok Miku's mascot is 16. That doesn't mean she is 16 in every. single. song. These are voice banks so they're basically like barbies you can play with and make up stories with. Of course she won't be 16 in every song that uses her voicebank. There's also so many different kinds of Vocaloid fans and we need to stop pretending that you need to know EVERYTHING in order to be a "real fan". I personally couldn't give less of a shit about Utauloids but I've still been in this fandom space since 2012. Just because I don't know anything about Utau doesn't mean I'm a fake fan, it means I have preferences!

i dont ship any vocaloids because the only canon ship is kaito x me ❤ (so real)

These newer fans are really annoying when it comes to songs featuring adult conent, they're literally acting like it's the end of the world because a silly vocal synth is talking about how big their slong is Or they cry about 1 song and denounce it, then praise another song with the exact same meaning (Rabbit Hole and Vampire)

project sekai is both a blessing and a curse for the community. Blessing because it made Vocaloid more popular because it's easily accesible, but also a curse because a lot of minors are in the fandom now. most points mentioned in the video and in the comments are basically saying that the minors are the problem and the veterans correcting them starts to feel repetitive minors are incredibly sensitive and naive. They are the ones that are mad about songs like rabbit hole, force everyone their headcanons, and many of the ifuudoudou spammers are minors too. It makes sense why they are this way because they are minors. That's just how they are, but the problem is is that the community is not for minors, particulary under the age of 16, at all. There are way too many fucked up songs, mmds etc. in this community. The other community that I know where you can easily find wholesome and then some extreme fucked up shit within one click is 4chan, and you wouldn't want a kid to be on 4chan right? And censoring all of the Vocaloid songs isn't good because Vocaloid is an art form. this community is just not for kids. Absolutely not. And we can't do much about them and their parents don't give jackshit about their kids listening to songs sung by programs.

the thing i hate the most probably is fans who don't understand how little the 'canon information' matters. When people get upset over miku being shipped with luka or being sexualized in a song because 'she's sixteen!!' -no, she's not. she can be literally anything. hatsune miku is a voice with a face. she can be a child, she can be an adult, she can be elderly, she can be a woman, a man, non-gendered, she can be an animal, she can be the writer of harry potter if you want her to. people tend to not really realize that some people don't really care about the canon ages all that much. as long as you're not shipping kaai yuki with kiyoteru everything's fine by me.

the password things is the worst, like i know you want us to read your rules but noo like one time it was the year of birth of the charachter + the number of the video on nico + what is their favorite food + the name of their mother like huh?

This isn’t vocaloid specific since its a problem in every fandom thats even remotely anime adjacent, but I really hate how normalized lolicon and shotacon is. I see it in the Japanese and English fandoms alike. Mentioned it once on Twitter and multiple producers blocked me, I kid you not

I hate it when someone makes a headcanon that goes against fanon and people in the comments will say “that’s not true, actually…”

I remember when KaiMiku and Negitoro shippers used to fight with each other. Now you can't ship Miku with anyone other than Rin (or Len) because of the age differences (even though those same vocaloids have extremely sexual songs and their ages change depending on how you look at them). People these days wouldn't survive Spice or Plus Boy. Let people be happy, they're just voicebanks 😭

I am also a senior citizen in the Vocaloid community (22) and have been a huge fan for YEARS - the fun really has all died down sadly and its sad to see everything be called PJSK now

I've always liked len x miku len has just always been my favorite, but shit aint real . Just like the rest of these guys, you can make up pretty much whatever you want

3:55 I know that in some cases (usually nnd downloads) the riddles are kinda designed to keep non japanese-speakers from downloading since we have a reputation for breaking model/motion rules and not crediting properly

I'm a Vocaloid fan since 2007 to the point of having a small stand with Miku figures, ZhouSensor DIVA pro controller for Project DIVA, and a physical music collection. Never interacted with the fanbase. Never even heard about those shippings and relatives stuff before this video. Shout out to us gramps over 30 years old.

Just don't interact with the fandom and all the problems are solved.

I hate when people think that pjdv good and pjsk bad or pjsk good and pjdv bad, like COME ON!!! Project Sekai did NOT ruin Vocaloid. In fact, it is getting you into Vocaloid because the humans in the game are your biggest attractions, which made you discover the Cryptonloids (which are supposed to the the main attractions in the game), Gumi, Flower, etc. Project Diva is the same thing, but no humans and just the Cryptonloids, and it is an extra topping to your Vocaloid loving pie that you're baking.

Why does most people have to ship every vocaloid, I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone say “Miku is a strong independent woman and doesn’t need anyone” lol

Kaito being 13???? WTF 😭 this is a grown man 😭

was on the vocaloid fandom for almost a decade, but vocaloid is heavily outdated, synthV/cevio is eating them alive...

Everytime I see something toxic related to vocaloid ships its almost always rinku. I feel so bad for chill rinku shippers, these people make them look bad.

I don't get why people keep saying that their headcanon ships are canon. They don't yet realize that rin is canonically supposed to be with me

I miss the MMD era, that was a big part of how i know internet 😢

I personally hate it when people credit certain vocaloid songs to a person who made a popular cover of said song. Like an example would probably be like “Miss Wanna Die by Jubyphonic” or “My R by Rachie” or like “Therefore You and Me by Eve” when it comes to jp covers. Im not saying I blame specifically the cover artists for this and I do think some of the covers are genuine bops but like…come on guys this is just a slight variation of crediting the vocaloid instead of the producer for a song. Edit: I’m also not saying you shouldn’t credit the cover artists, Im just saying credit to the original producer along aside the cover artist.

for me it's the oversexualizaion of all characters, like, I'm not going to stop people from doing it because that's not my job but I wish platforms could give us better options to filter such content out, because I don't want to see RU-vid recommending me a p*rn song of Kaai yuki or any other Vocaloid (Its an unpopular opinion but I prefer my feed page to be friendly)

I just hate the people that fight about ships and most of all the Miku fans 😭 like when i mean by that is when they dont even know the others or they say eh the others suck either way or they say this is miku song but its actually Lukas or so

I kinda wished pjsk implemented the old fandom's vocaloid headcanon over the new pjsk ones. Like it doesn't even have to be kaito always being a crackhead or something. He can still be this prince charming while still being a crackhead. This goes with len and rin with their odd association with road rollers and much more. I can understand how some of them are way too inappropriate to be added though a small hint in the dialouge or easter egg would have been nice.

Watching ship wars from afar knowing I don't ship literally any characters 🧍🏻‍♀️

don`t kill me plz. Songs about how vocaloids love their master and how fans comment on songs with supportive, sad and so on lyrics "omg. I want to impregnant him"

I hate people forcing their PJSK or Vocaloid ships as well, it’s so annoying, I wanna ship what I wanna ship. (Yeah, I’m calling you out, RuiKasa and AkiToya shippers.)

I miss those MMD shitposts sooo much 😫 they were so funny but no one makes them anymore and that’s truly a tragedy

Lowkey the “no old people” fact and people forcing popular headcanons are why I’m too scared to post about my own vocaloid canon (that I’ve been developing and changing since I was like 14) because I think the moment people see I headcanon Miku, Rin and Len to be in their 20s and not have Kaito and Meiko dating etc it’s OVER for me 😭

Being an older Vocaloid fan as well (it hits harder in the idol community), I do agree that funny Vocaloid is dead and replaced with deranged and/or depressed Vocaloid. You like a song that’s super cute and wholesome? Not a lot of fans. A song that’s about death and partying? Already on the list to be put into ProSekai and used as a dance meme on Tiktok.

I don't know how much of a hot take this is, but I'm so tired of people who claim that project sekai "ruined vocaloid" and talk about it like it's the worst thing to ever exist and about how everyone who likes it is somehow a horrible person just because the person talking about how allegedly bad the project sekai fandom is hasn't left the house in months and spends every free moment on social media. Probably a little harsh there, but I've literally never seen any of the bs some of these people talk about in my entire time in the project sekai community. Although I do tend to stick to only this one discord that's mostly chill, as well as my irl friends who also play the game. So maybe my constant avoidance of Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok has resulted in me not running into this side of the community. But I've honestly seen more people complaining about how horrible the ENTIRE community is than I have seen the people they're complaining about

Honestly, the points given are so valid and why I only try to stick to vocaloids with smaller fandoms or at least arent that toxic or weird. I've been in the fandom on and off for almost 10 years and my thoughts have changed cause I grew up. IDC bout Sekai, play Mirai and the Diva games, and let me sit in my hole with Dex, Piko, VY2, and Yohioloid.

This video was so needed omg the voca community has been pissing me off TO NO END these past couple of years.

I’m gonna add in people calling Neru “the yellow one who isn’t in mesmerizer”

About the whole notion of the ‘fun’ era of the Vocaloid fandom ending… I think this is kind of in alignment of how the content of Vocaloid changed over time. Looking back at when Vocaloid began, there were songs that were written more as a story or as a funny gag, but nowadays you don’t see as much of them. Conversely, we got more emotional and relatable songs coming from producers, which paint the characters in a more serious than funny light. The chain effect is that because we as a fandom love those songs, it changes our perception of the characters, so seeing them as funny goofy characters doesn’t come naturally, especially for the newer fans. (Best case example is me; I came into the fandom in 2020 and never understood the comedic appeal of older MMD videos, which would make sense since I didn’t grow up with them)