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Things you don't say out loud in academia [9 open secrets] 

Andy Stapleton
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@OntologyofValue
@OntologyofValue Год назад
Great material, Andy! I would add to this list: 1. I hired you because you are docile and you will keep on writing papers using a method I developed 20 years ago, 2. You are a cheap labor who is only as valuable as his/her publication list, 3. The only purpose for us to go to a research conference is to dance, get drunk and forget about our jobs, 4. Our methodology has become obsolete but I only have five years left till retirement so let's keep on going.
@enginerdy
@enginerdy Год назад
Your conferences have dances???
@flibbertygibbette
@flibbertygibbette Год назад
@@enginerdy If you're invited to the right parties, all of them do.
@churrothiev8387
@churrothiev8387 Год назад
Omg yes.
@churrothiev8387
@churrothiev8387 Год назад
@@flibbertygibbette no. Not really. But I'll say many are just gossiping parties to me
@lucusekali5767
@lucusekali5767 Год назад
Lol
@logan7161
@logan7161 Год назад
My advisor let me in on the "can't fail students" aspect. He was flustered one day and I asked what was wrong. He said something along the lines of, "I have this student who just won't do their work, but I can't fail them because my boss has warned me that I fail too many students. I can't help it if the student literally will not submit work, yet it is somehow my fault.." I learned a valuable lesson that day. And yes, the student passed the class.
@pechaa
@pechaa Год назад
In my grad school, a “B-“ seemed to be the worst grade any professor ever doled out. I appreciated it, actually.
@pechaa
@pechaa Год назад
But I never heard of anyone who didn’t do the work.
@ChrisM541
@ChrisM541 Год назад
If the failure rate for any lecturer is low i.e. very few consistently fail from his/her class (in comparison to the average for that subject), then that lecturer should never be dismissed since there should(!!) be well-known systems already in place to protect against this. An unfair dismissal tribunal is an obvious option, though by then, that may be too late to reverse any dismissal - unless reinstatement is (justifiably) forced(!!). On the other hand, clearly, if a lecturer has a consistent higher-than-average rate of failures - for that subject - then the fault very probably lies with the lecturer's teaching method. 'Standard steps' would be expected to be followed before any action is taken. --> Seems basic common sense 101.
@smileyp4535
@smileyp4535 Год назад
@@ChrisM541 but if they don't fail people unless there's no way around it doesn't that mess up the average? Like if a prof actually started grading accurately then wouldn't that make them look bad? It really shows the whole problem with the comodification of education
@warbler1984
@warbler1984 Год назад
I was a biomed student in Ireland...they were not afraid to fail students or give them shit grades
@mike200017
@mike200017 Год назад
I would add to this list: 1) The literature review or prior work sections of papers are mostly about stroking the ego and boosting citation counts for the people who are likely to peer-review your paper. They are more likely to accept your paper if they see some of their own being cited and praised. And if you miss a reviewer's main papers, they will often give you, as part of their review feedback, a list of papers you need to cite if you want your paper accepted. 2) Minor conferences (with none or only partial peer-review) are just a way to get your institution to pay for a holiday. They mostly tend to be located in places like the Caribbeans or southern Europe. 3) Given that the objective is to publish as many papers as possible, every chunk of research work (whatever it might consist of in your field, like a new algorithm, a new math derivation, a big experiment that was conducted, etc.) will be divided up in as many pieces as possible to milk it for as many individual papers as possible instead of producing a single much more substantial paper. When doing a lit review, you will often have to cobble together several very repetitive papers from the same authors to get a complete picture of what they actually did. 4) Maybe not applicable to all fields, but I suspect it applies to most. Nobody understands statistics. There are dozens of statistical tests that can be used to tell if some results are significant (i.e., not due to random chance or some extraneous factors), and each of them are based on very specific assumptions that no one really pays attention to. Most people just try out a bunch of them, arbitrarily, until they get one that says that their results are significant.
@thomasraywood679
@thomasraywood679 Год назад
Wow.
@bunnerkins
@bunnerkins Год назад
LMAO you are so right about all this. I was introduced to point 3 when my PI was talking about submitting JUST the study methodology to a journal and that petty shit blew my mind.
@amberd0g6
@amberd0g6 Год назад
This guys sciences
@yomin2162
@yomin2162 Год назад
Argh I hate 1) so much. One, uh, anonymous reviewer asked me to cite one of their findings in our introduction section. Which is fine, except I've already cited their paper in our discussion section. Did they miss that in our reference, or are they asking us to mention the same results TWICE in both the introduction and discussion? If you love your paper that much, just get a full page ad for chrissake.
@AkosuaBiggles
@AkosuaBiggles Год назад
Number 1 is so true three different reviewers did that to me meanwhile some of the publications have no correlation with our peer-review article.
@thomasthornton2002
@thomasthornton2002 Год назад
Another one to add: ‘Our method is just a sham to guarantee the answer we wanted already’ I studied a humanities subject at undergrad and I was quickly shocked and demoralised by how all the ‘methods’ we were taught were just fancy ways of justifying whatever biases the academic had to begin with and reduced the world to the simplest answers without ever really gaining any insight
@jamesfrancese6091
@jamesfrancese6091 8 месяцев назад
I really doubt that all of the basic, time-tested foundational methods (which are generally what’s conveyed in the course of a bachelor’s degree) of an entire subject are just empty sophisms…usually that’s reserved for research-level study!
@TueSorensen
@TueSorensen 8 месяцев назад
That's because the humanities aren't hard sciences. You (or most people, anyway) can't really discover much of anything new in the humanities; you can just come up with a variant on some existing model or theory. And having a theory and then shaping the method to fit it is actually how theories work in the humanities. Because you can't test against nature; only against other theories. So you have to push a new theory of your own, and argue for it. Shaping your methodology accordingly is part of how you persuade the reader that your theory is good and probable.
@anhero2377
@anhero2377 8 месяцев назад
@@TueSorensen Yeah. Neuroscience and evolutionary psychology is literal hard science that touches on everything that "humanities" tries to study. Guess which sciences are shoved under the embarrassment rug?
@everettmcmunn
@everettmcmunn 8 месяцев назад
humanities are for people who want to take money, throw it in a garbage can and watch it burn, we have public libraries and the internet, get your humanities degrees' for free and for that matter, study as much hard sciences from the library and internet as you can and then go into the university and get credit for the knowledge you got on your own instead of paying 30k dollars-ish a year..."god damn bless america"--lieutenant Dan.
@jamesfrancese6091
@jamesfrancese6091 8 месяцев назад
@@everettmcmunn I think it’s more than unconvincing to hold “the humanities” responsible for, or regard as somehow implicated in, the exorbitant cost of higher education in the United States - but because there are other, more concrete, and indeed more subversive explanations of the highly lucrative and frivolous operation that most universities have become, it’s quite the convenient scapegoat isn’t it? No education is worth up to a fucking quarter-million dollars, and the sooner we stop talking out the sides of our mouths about it, the better.
@SkorjOlafsen
@SkorjOlafsen Год назад
My father and a group of his peers invented a professor to cite on their papers. They'd invent fictional references for the fictional prof, cite him as an extra citation on non-controversial items, and then track how these cites spread throughout papers in the field (communications). Turns out it's rather common to blindly copy the cites from another paper without even checking that they exist. Saves a lot of time, I guess.
@Drake5607
@Drake5607 Год назад
That was probably before the internet? I can't imagine putting a reference without checking it with Google Scholar first :| (even really really old ones)
@nickmurray9193
@nickmurray9193 Год назад
I recently came across a systematic review where the author of the paper mis-cited their own study, claiming it studied a particular research question with a particular methodology, etc. This author literally did no such investigation, cited their own paper several times for this fabricated study. This is a severe case, but I’m shocked how frequently I check citations and what the author claims is not even remotely close to what the paper they cited actually says. So your story doesn’t surprise me sadly.
@alihorda
@alihorda Год назад
This wouldn't work. Even at my bachelor diploma work they run my file through a program to check citations
@condensedman
@condensedman Год назад
Nefarious scheming 😈
@martindindos9009
@martindindos9009 Год назад
@@nickmurray9193 Referee(s) of the paper are supposed to check such things. If they don't they are not doing their job - this is then a fault of the journal. This is why we have reputable journals with good editors who pick referees carefully and not-so reputable journals that will publish anything as long as they get paid for it. In any field people know whether the journal is good or not and they judge people based on that.
@r3lativ
@r3lativ Год назад
10. You typically get a job in academia based on networks, rather than pure merit of your work. Having an advisor who gets invited to give lots of talks to various places increases your chances a lot.
@somebodyintheworld5036
@somebodyintheworld5036 Год назад
To be fair, thats the case for everything. People who make the hiring decisions are much more comfortable taking on someone if they have a reference from a party they know and trust. Merit is great, but merit on paper doesn't make them feel as comfortable when deciding who to hire. When you're compared to someone who may look worse on paper, but comes recommended as a holistic "person" and "good worker/person" from a trusted source, its a lot easier emotionally to go for the recommended option by a close friend/coworker you trust rather than the person who is better on paper.
@chriswright6245
@chriswright6245 Год назад
I bet that's why social sciences are such a bubble too. Have an unpopular view point or research something problematic and you're frozen out.
@supernerd1999
@supernerd1999 Год назад
I get this, I will not pretend that the only reason why I can do a MPhil right now is because my final year project supervisor recommended me to his collaborator on a collab project where his collaborator preferably want someone who already is familiar with my FYP supervisor. That being said, I’m still working extra hard because I want to do it
@dutchdykefinger
@dutchdykefinger Год назад
explains all the activists
@alexanderfretheim5720
@alexanderfretheim5720 Год назад
@@chriswright6245 Absolutely! Social sciences are so apt to controversy that there's literally a showtune in "West Side Story" making fun of Sociology. "Officer Krupke we're down on our knees/nobody likes someone with a social disease..."
@askittenlove13
@askittenlove13 Год назад
Arts and humanities here. Here’s another unspoken truth: you really only need one semi interesting idea that you can reframe, paraphrase, rework slightly for the rest of your academic career
@isasou1307
@isasou1307 3 месяца назад
THIS. I'm a masters student in sociology and our department has an extremely prestigious professor who is considered the authority in her field because she came up with a specific concept that she has used and reused in much of her work. She's absolutely odious with her students, to the points of driving a few of them to absolute meltdowns, but she's untouchable because of the amount of money and prestige she brings that she obtained for coming up with that one concept.
@adsffdaaf4170
@adsffdaaf4170 27 дней назад
​@@isasou1307lol
@clivemitchell3229
@clivemitchell3229 Год назад
I worked at a university in a non-academic role and was shocked to find that 40% of our medical research grants were skimmed by the university as "admin fees" because the university was primarily a profit-seeking business. I also came to the conclusion that papers were written primarily because papers had to be published (though occasionally a paper would turn up that was actually game-changing) and that journals accepted mediocre papers because they needed papers to publish.
@pendafen7405
@pendafen7405 Год назад
Terry Pratchett was truly prescient.
@paavobergmann4920
@paavobergmann4920 Год назад
Spot on with the publication economy. Publishers exploit authors for their products, and then milk the customers, and those are the same people, depending on access to literature and on getting stuff published. So Publishers essentially strangle academia and milk the tax office, while achieving around 130% return on investment, which is quite obscene for print media. Overhead fees, yes. True. But at least here, universities are public service, so it´s not because they are seeking profit. It´s because they are criminally underfunded compared to the political expectations placed on them. But instead of employing people and funding reliable structures for them to work and meet their goals, government is pushing universities towards third -party funding, to the point that now even basic functions only are possible through special funding. And that´s called "modern" and "efficient". And Universities, insanely, brag about their "high ratio of third party funding", as if it was a badge of honour instead of the mark of shame that it really is. Yes, Terry Pratchett got it right. If you want to know what academia really feels like, pay close attention to "Unseen University". It´s a lot closer to reality than most academics would like to admit.
@paavobergmann4920
@paavobergmann4920 Год назад
@@pendafen7405 It´s been like that for decades, if not centuries.
@AdrienLegendre
@AdrienLegendre 9 месяцев назад
This is called indirect cost and is part of all grants.
@bobbyfeet2240
@bobbyfeet2240 8 месяцев назад
@@AdrienLegendre theoretically, it's basically paying for space, utilities, administrative and legally services, etc. I'm practice, the grant overhead varies hugely from institution to institution and I doubt it's always actually all toward that in a break-even way, but it's also not wholly a scam.
@anarchoraven
@anarchoraven Год назад
Philosopher here, all of my papers are a 100% reproducible
@ACrownofFlowers
@ACrownofFlowers Год назад
😂
@luisapaza317
@luisapaza317 Год назад
😂😂😂
@mojoman2001
@mojoman2001 Год назад
Did you b.s. today?
@roberttalada5196
@roberttalada5196 Год назад
All of my papers are 100% post-consumer recycled paper.
@ACrownofFlowers
@ACrownofFlowers Год назад
@@roberttalada5196 very green.
@ericdodson2644
@ericdodson2644 Год назад
#10: Never admit that a fairly large proportion of star-academicians can't teach their way out of a paper bag.
@TesterAnimal1
@TesterAnimal1 Год назад
It’s unfair to tie the two together really. There’s no realistic expectation that a great researcher should be a great teacher. But it’s just expected. That’s bullshit. It’s a personality thing.
@rayr4320
@rayr4320 Год назад
You can get any boob off the street to teach. The same is not true for scientific investigation.
@ericdodson2644
@ericdodson2644 Год назад
@@rayr4320 ... Yeah, that statement *does* exemplify the typical academic mentality pretty well. Unfortunately, it's not even close to being true.
@luis.m.yrisson
@luis.m.yrisson Год назад
How could anyone teach their way out of a paper bg though?
@rayr4320
@rayr4320 Год назад
The issue is everyone wants a 6 figure salary, but universities will never direct that level of compensation toward instructors to exclusively teach undergraduates or med students. Not in this day and age and not when you can go on yoo toob and observe nurses and other fine individuals delivering cogent lectures on all levels of physiology chemistry and what not. Universities already have too much personnel overhead, salaries for chancellors, ombudsman's, community liaison's, administrative counselors, sorority affairs overwatch managers, on an on an on. They will always undercut salary to instructors. It's become kind of a quasi part time job. The pressure on faculty is to bring in big dollars-Lets say non hypothetically, a faculty member brings in in 12 million dollars over a three year period, the university takes 7.2 million of that in overhead cost. That faculty member is allowing the department to function and becomes its life line. It pays for the lights, the new equipment to teach the students and also foster collaboration with industrial clients. Teaching is but one facet of what a university provides to its students and the country. Look at china. They can teach fine over there. But they cant recreate the university think tank of the united states. Thats what they covet, but cant yet recreate..
@tenebrousjones4897
@tenebrousjones4897 9 месяцев назад
As a student, I found that the fastest way to get a prof to shut you down is to say "I disagree," and then provide reasoning.
@yanis80
@yanis80 3 месяца назад
Been there, done that! LOL. Some really appreciate it...I had both. One made me cry and made my life impossible, and the other took me as his last PhD student; even if he was not taking any more students due to retirement, he appreciated the banter!
@gustavopramos
@gustavopramos 2 месяца назад
@@yanis80 It is disheartening that disagreement is considered a banter. In an ideal world (of which I am allowed to dream about), it would be considered an intellectual disagreement: the person simply had a different point of view on the matter, which would hopefully shed more light onto the issue.
@mattgoodmangoodmanlawnmowi2454
@mattgoodmangoodmanlawnmowi2454 Месяц назад
Choose your professors, choose your battles, and don’t go for a coup de grace. Make it incidental to grasping the larger subject area. But out of a lot of professors I only felt confident enough of both my position & my relationship to the professor. Always easier if I had already been discussing fine points before trying anything that sounds like an outright rejection of the alternative. I got a decade jump on a key area of my chosen field from such an ioen ended exploration of a mathematical analysis of changing technology driven by mathematical reasons And I parlayed that knowledge into an early career win when I solved a large scale accounting issue for a global bank. What I did reduced daily processing from 15-30 hours to 4-6. Ten years later that technology dominated its broad area of high volume data and processing in the major commercial products. Too much challenging and too little, are sub optimal at best. I have worked for people. But if they are focused on corporate conformity and a dislike of ideas not invented here, I will leave at the end of my contract, and will find greener pastures. An abrupt project cancellation can be painful. But I have already found good work so I know it is just a matter of time. I usually do not have to deal with HR beyond justifying my ability to contribute at a level commensurate with my past rates. My professional reputation and feeling of self worth aren’t on the line because a project got terminated. It’s healthier for everyone that way.
@Kaha-ow1xt
@Kaha-ow1xt Год назад
A lot of these apply in not for profit jobs too. It's the clash of idealism with the reality of how people behave in competitive social structures. Thanks for saying the quiet parts out loud!
@McHobotheBobo
@McHobotheBobo Год назад
Not for profit on a profit based society, who's gonna be king of shit hill?
@paavobergmann4920
@paavobergmann4920 Год назад
Competition based on desperation rather than greed isn´t gonna be any nicer...
@warrenpuckett4203
@warrenpuckett4203 9 месяцев назад
Stealing sunshine?A few letters after or before name your give you a license to do that.
@vedant2791
@vedant2791 8 месяцев назад
Beautifully summarised the fundamental problem in academia today
@Pj21.
@Pj21. 7 месяцев назад
this is honestly the perfect way to put it. Recently a minister in my country said that scientists waste too much money and in 2015 our PM had said scientists should self-finance their projects. Add to that the stupid wistful yearning and praising of/for the old times here and the public funding shitshow you basically have a country of 1.4bn with millions upon millions of brilliant minds either wasting their potential or going to a foreign nation.
@samsonsoturian6013
@samsonsoturian6013 Год назад
When I started the PhD program the first thing I noticed was professors trying to sound smart TO ME. I started subbing a the local high school and I'm somehow this awesome high flying academic... And that's the day I realized no one in the world has any frickin clue what they're doing.
@diogoantunes5473
@diogoantunes5473 Год назад
Love the imposter syndrome this exudes.
@estefencosta1835
@estefencosta1835 Год назад
The day you realize almost everyone is just making it up as they go along in almost all walks of life is both liberating and terrifying.
@martingundelach4915
@martingundelach4915 Год назад
There's also the case in which you contribute to a work yet you don't get cited at all in the paper. It happened a couple of times with me as an undergrad. I didn't mind it that much, since I half expected to not be taken seriously as an undergrad. But it did make me lose faith in Academia, and I guess it's one of the reasons I didn't stay in it.
@ttt69420
@ttt69420 Год назад
You gotta get your nose brown. Then you'll get on them. Same as any other field unfortunately.
@brianc4013
@brianc4013 Год назад
I find thoughts on authorship vary wildly; especially between older researchers and younger researchers. I worked as a tech during my masters and one of the people I did work for didn't include me as an author despite me running experiments for him, and then doing the stats for those data. His viewpoint was that my work didn't constitute an intellectual contribution. On the flip side, someone else from his same graduate class basically included everyone standing in the room while he worked on his experiment as an author. There are lots of cultural impacts that can shape these differing views on authorship, but I've found younger researchers are much more liberal with authorship with how competitive everything is these days.
@cow_tools_
@cow_tools_ Год назад
They should've put your name in the acknowledgement paragraph at the bottom as a "thank you". Our group does that. It's something.
@Glornt
@Glornt Год назад
In grad school, I showed my advisor something I had come up with as an undergraduate, and he acted completely unimpressed, but about 6 months later it showed up in a paper of his -- not a word of acknowledgement, of course.
@Bigcubefan
@Bigcubefan Год назад
Same here bro, I found out just the other week that a paper containing the results of my bachelor's thesis has been published but I'm not on the paper.
@polemeros
@polemeros Год назад
I spent a long time in academia. I have 5 university degrees, a PhD included. To say that I am deeply unimpressed by both the institution and the personnel who inhabit it would be an understatement. I agree with WF Buckley's remark that he would rather be governed by the first 500 names in the Boston phone book than by the faculty of Harvard. Now more than ever.
@thomasraywood679
@thomasraywood679 Год назад
Thanks for sharing that remark.
@hecatrice2064
@hecatrice2064 Год назад
5 degress? Sounds like a lot of work holy
@cryora
@cryora Год назад
I have 4 associates, a bachelors, a masters, and working on a Ph.D. lol. There were a lot of course overlap in the 4 associates I got.
@mrgoober6320
@mrgoober6320 9 месяцев назад
I went into Classics because my parents had filled my head with old-fashioned ideas about what it meant to be erudite. About two years in, somebody (a graduate student instructor) finally told me that competition was very fierce for academic positions in the field. Their recommendation? Go into the legal profession. They use Latin words occasionally AND they actually make money.
@zwan1886
@zwan1886 8 месяцев назад
You needed someone to tell you that studying classics isn't a guaranteed path to success?
@mrgoober6320
@mrgoober6320 8 месяцев назад
@@zwan1886 As a child? Yes.
@ThanhTran-gb4pw
@ThanhTran-gb4pw 8 месяцев назад
That was a smart strategy of them to remove some future competition. You don't go into academia to make money. You do it to learn more about your favorite subject. Academia vs. Legal is apples to oranges, really. But if you need the money, and that's more important to you, that's very understandable.
@rainbowmonkMC
@rainbowmonkMC Год назад
number 2 is why i cant get a job in academia. crazy that the institute that teaches / encourages 'critical thinking' doesn't want that pushed back on itself.
@samsonsoturian6013
@samsonsoturian6013 Год назад
The people who won't take critism are always the idiots demanding you criticize others.
@inconnu4961
@inconnu4961 Год назад
@@samsonsoturian6013 essential truth here! LOL Aint it always the way!
@deficitstifflegzercherdead6221
@@samsonsoturian6013 nah, bureaucrats never want you to think critically because it doesn’t serve their ends.
@epicmarschmallow5049
@epicmarschmallow5049 Год назад
It's generally less that criticism against the institution isn't allowed (in fact in my experience, every academic I've ever spoken to is willing to smack talk their university at the drop of a hat), but that you don't publish said criticism in a public space. This is the same as basically every other work place and isn't unique to academia at all
@samsonsoturian6013
@samsonsoturian6013 Год назад
@@epicmarschmallow5049 There's exceptions to both assertions. In the factory jobs and retail I worked no one gave a rip if employees gave frank remarks to outsiders. Also, I'm a historian, and historians overwhelmingly don't give a rip about other historians. We wouldn't even know what the other guy is saying about the college.
@ashm4938
@ashm4938 Год назад
tbh on the advice about employability, our lecturer gave us this, but said realistically the likelihood of going into our desired field was low, so he encouraged everyone to have a one to one meeting with him before end of the first year to talk about electives and core modules that we would pick for year 2 and 3. He was open about this and gave solid advice on career progression, not just as a linear path but the side steps you can take, the professional qualifications 9and if any elective provided them at uni) etc
@b.6603
@b.6603 Год назад
This is awesome. Also, in many countries and areas, there can be a high volatility in jobs availability in 4 years. So a bad jobs market as a freshman may not be indicative of the situation at graduation
@user-jn4sw3iw4h
@user-jn4sw3iw4h Год назад
There is a difference in: - If you take this course you won't find a job (so I won't tell you, or I'll risk mine) - If you take *only* this course, you won't find a job (but I won't tell you, because I don't care about my students) - If you take *only* this course, you won't find a job (so I'll help my students with, how to handle the "only"-part of that issue, on top of the regular teaching) Happy to hear, you encountered someone who could have gone for #2, but chose #3 instead. That's a good one. Unfortunately #1 is still a situation that happens (and I think, was the one that point in the list was about)
@SkorjOlafsen
@SkorjOlafsen Год назад
I think this in generally known now. One of Brady Haran's channels did a video on this where several profs from U of Nottingham spoke openly about it, saying there are about 5% (IIRC) as many positions each year as there were qualified people graduating.
@Sinleqeunnini
@Sinleqeunnini Год назад
Some of this is because of our neoliberalized economy, where so much of the wealth is sitting in the capital holdings of the elites doing nothing, that we 'think' the number of jobs out there in many areas, including higher education, is naturally established by 'demand', but in fact this is far from the case. A proper redistribution of wealth and making higher education largely public (as it should always have been, as it is indeed the case in many other countries) would actually allow far more people to be professors in esoteric subjects, in addition to actually making employment far more about an externally, and often democratically, established benchmark rather than simply gunning to be the best person out of a million applicants who never bothered to ask themselves why there shouldn't be more jobs for everyone rather than trying to satisfy some boss' checklist.
@RemnantCult
@RemnantCult Год назад
Very smart. A lot of the faculty, especially in STEM, tend to tell you that you will have a job. They don't tell you that you still have to work on it some and understand that things are rarely as straight forward as they are in undergrad school.
@Lithilic
@Lithilic 10 месяцев назад
This is 100% spot on. One thing I would add is that these institutions are money making machines, but if you actually work there, they act like they are broke and there isn't any money to do anything.
@magetaaaaaa
@magetaaaaaa 3 месяца назад
Where does the money go then?
@Lithilic
@Lithilic 3 месяца назад
@@magetaaaaaa Pissed away on administrative bloat and unnecessary amenities.
@me_fault
@me_fault Месяц назад
real estate
@mikeymullins5305
@mikeymullins5305 9 дней назад
every single capitalist enterprise lol
@Lithilic
@Lithilic 9 дней назад
@@mikeymullins5305 Nah, I work in industry now. If you have a compelling reason for why something is going to help you get work done they'll find the money for it. If something in the building needs to get fixed, they'll get it fixed. Most things under 10k are not a big deal for department budgets to swing without much approval.
@steveunderwood3683
@steveunderwood3683 Год назад
When I was young people would leave academia and come to work with us in industry, saying academia was too political for them. Most of us found this odd, as doing well in industry can be very political too. However, as the years have gone by, looking at academia from the outside, I'm really seeing their point.
@filipniklas
@filipniklas Год назад
Great video! I'm reminded of this quote by Kissinger: “The reason that university politics is so vicious is because stakes are so small."
@richardcoughlin8931
@richardcoughlin8931 Год назад
Kissinger plagiarized this quote from S.I. Hayakawa who likely appropriated it from someone else etc. all the way back to some wag at the University of Bologna in the 12th century.
@filipniklas
@filipniklas Год назад
@@richardcoughlin8931 good to see tradition has a long and venerable counter-tradition
@universe1879
@universe1879 9 месяцев назад
@@richardcoughlin8931damn, right back at the (official) beginning of universities
@infectdiseaseepidemiology2599
@infectdiseaseepidemiology2599 8 месяцев назад
Galbraith said it as well. Many have said it
@nikey2110
@nikey2110 21 день назад
Really, quoting Kissinger?
@kebman
@kebman Год назад
I studied Film Science at a college in Norway, when the department head came in to brief us on career opportunities. We were of course all very excited. Then he said this: "You might be surprised, but you can actually get jobs with this education! Yes!" he exclaimed. "Like for instance a cinema director!" Everyone burst out laughing. There are less cinema director jobs in Norway than there were people in that lecture hall. It was a fun session. I think most people who study Film Science know what they're getting themselves into. Let's be real, it's pretty niche. On to other hand, I got a job based on that education really fast afterwards, believe it or not! :)
@Anonymous-qw
@Anonymous-qw Год назад
Never mind. At least unemployment benefit in Norway is more than what you get as a wage for doing an average income job in practically every other country.
@bobbobson6290
@bobbobson6290 Год назад
@@AliothAncalagon I also studied archeology but work as a programmer now 😅 It's so much easier to find a job and I don't even have a related degree.
@megaultradamn
@megaultradamn Год назад
Curious. What is film science? Are you studying the atomic components of film reels or something? Trying to piece together lost/damaged films?
@DrZaius3141
@DrZaius3141 Год назад
It's perfectly valid to study a subject you're interested in and not just something you get a job as. What's really moronic though is if you're interested in the study but not interested in the job that comes out of it. For example, my room mate (thankfully only for a year... he never showered) was doing Japanese studies because he was interested in the culture (infer from that what you want) and wanted to learn the language. However with a degree like that, you will most likely end up in business, dealing with foreign relations - which didn't interest him at all. So he traded 5 years of learning what he liked for 40 years of a miserable job. On the other side of things, a teaching degree has very little to do with teaching, but if you like teaching you can enjoy that for 40 years after forcing your way through 5 years of mostly theoretical study.
@richardhall5489
@richardhall5489 Год назад
My friend is an award winning film director. He left school at 16 with two O-levels.
@YiZenChu
@YiZenChu Год назад
I'm a tenured professor. The least I have done on a paper is to provide the main ideas and supervised it very closely. I do not intend to ever put my name on a paper where I've not done significant work. Unfortunately, you're right: even in theoretical physics, and even for "big names", professors do in fact appear on papers despite not contributing very much. Now, the question I often wonder about is: why do we senior academics then have the moral authority to ask students to turn in their own work?
@technokicksyourass
@technokicksyourass 9 месяцев назад
I think sometimes contributing your name is important. It's like a "seal of approval". If I'm looking a paper, and I see Max Tegmarks name on it... it's going to be worth reading. Why is that... well Max sets a really high bar. If Max's name was not on it... I would probably just go to the next one. Likewise.. if you put your name to a poor quality paper.. that reflects on you.
@YiZenChu
@YiZenChu 9 месяцев назад
​@@technokicksyourass If you contributed to a research paper, your name should appear on it; if not, your name should not appear on the paper. This is basic academic honesty. Moreover, the scientific ethos demands that we let independent and myriad minds judge for themselves whether a paper is of sound quality. "Seal of approval" is neither scientific nor does it uphold the highest standards of academic credit and integrity. We should look in the mirror--examine our own scientific compass--if that's how we judge whether a paper is worth examining.
@itsgonnabeanaurfromme
@itsgonnabeanaurfromme 9 месяцев назад
​@@YiZenChua senior professor or person who checked a paper deserves credit. Simple as that. I also use papers I write but assisted (and i use that term loosely as they tend to be less than competent) by a student to boost that student's reputation by giving them authorship. But if i also have a good medical case or series that I passed onto a younger student or doctor so they have something to write about, I expect to be given the courtesy of checking that paper and be named as a co-author. In medicine, we even give authorship to someone who just performed the histopathology reading of a case. Why is it such a big deal to so many people that they don't want to share credit?
@YiZenChu
@YiZenChu 9 месяцев назад
​@@itsgonnabeanaurfrommePrinciples and standards are important. Proofreading a page or two--or even the entire paper--is not the same as spending months analyzing, solving, checking, and re-checking. If we play fast and loose with standards and principles, we are punishing the careful / scrupulous / ethical and the hardworking.
@anhero2377
@anhero2377 8 месяцев назад
@@YiZenChu I got my undergrad in Physics and you are just like the professors I respect and that shaped me greatly . It should be about the principles and standards. If life has taught me anything, it's that those who disregard such notions as "outdated" are only fooling themselves and all who seek their guidance.
@korereviews8088
@korereviews8088 Год назад
The one thing that was absolutely verboten in academia when I was there was saying/talking about needing money - at least around profs or tenured faculty. No matter how desperately poor we grad students/recent PhDs were, as we toiled away at our multiple adjunct jobs, it was understood that we were all supposed to act like money wasn't an issue or a priority to us, because we were so passionate and dedicated to our research. Pointing out how poor you were was also considered "gauche" and rude because it made the long-time tenured faculty around us feel uncomfortable. God forbid!!! When I taught adjunct in the US, the tenured profs in my department lived in fancy houses in the most expensive parts of town, while I could barely afford rent on my ghetto studio apartment. I remember going to dinner parties at their homes, where they'd talk about the new sailboat they just bought or renting a house in Tuscany for a year with the family. They could shamelessly flaunt their affluence in front of us, while we were supposed to just smile and pretend we weren't in a completely different social class than them. Disgusting.
@johanneskreisler7647
@johanneskreisler7647 8 месяцев назад
This is so nonsense. The fraction is such high-paid professors is negligible.
@iyziejane
@iyziejane 3 месяца назад
The final act of selfishness from those boomer profs was to end academic freedom and actual science by mandating experimental injections to force everyone to virtue signal about pretending to protect their should-have-retired-decades-ago zombie shell bodies from the scary cold they heard about on TV.
@philippakerr5478
@philippakerr5478 Месяц назад
This! Same! One of my bosses/former supervisors built himself this mansion in a fancy area and was evidnetly earning tons and tons of money. But he scolded me for implying I was just doing my poorly paid contract job for the salary and not because I found it so meaningful and important. Later he said at one of his talks that academia was a "vocation" for him. Never seemed to understand that all academics were not operating from the same financial base, even though he knew exactly what we were earning. Vocation my arse
@widders1
@widders1 Год назад
I felt pretty abandonned and let down by my university. I quickly realised how much of just a money machine it was, and realistically worthless the degree actual is. This has not helped that feeling, but this is great content actually saying something about these things rather than just riding it out.
@shawnjavery
@shawnjavery Год назад
I swear to god, I graduated with a geology under graduate degree this last summer and it feels completely useless. Everyone is asking for experience, a degree is useless, and it feels like I can't get into any job prospects.
@widders1
@widders1 Год назад
@@shawnjavery after a decade of working i have used my engineering degree a total of 0 times. I would ignore a couple of years of experience on job adverts and just apply, the worse is they can say no and if you can get some even unpaid short term work in something even close to the right field that will probably speak more volumes than a degree would. You just need to identify the desired skills within the experience you have.
@McHobotheBobo
@McHobotheBobo Год назад
Capitalism is destroying us all
@worthlessprofessor6477
@worthlessprofessor6477 Год назад
On the "I wouldn't get my job if I applied for it today" front, when I was doing one of my campus visits for grad school, one of the professors said, "I wouldn't get into a program if I were applying for it today." He meant it as a compliment, but I know now I should have taken it as a warning. The elite overproduction is real. I'm glad there seems to be more information out there like this helping students go in with their eyes wide open. It's easy to tell yourself, "It's going to be different for me," but I know scholars ten times smarter and skilled than I am, and they're stuck in academic purgatory.
@alexanderlyon
@alexanderlyon Год назад
Here's another, "The only reason my research ideas became popular is that I refuse to work with graduate students unless they are enthusiastic about using and promoting my branded approach." It's not even a secret really. The research that becomes trendy has little to do with its quality, practical value, or genuine contribution to a field. The popularity of ideas is almost entirely due to the sheer number of graduate students a PhD advisor supervises over the course of a career. In contrast, a professor at a small college could publish stellar research for decades, but without PhD advisees to carry the torch, the research has very little chance of getting noticed or built upon. It's a very intellectually incestuous arena.
@rbaron7352
@rbaron7352 Год назад
College does a remarkably bad job of job training, my major was chemistry with a minor in computer science. What I got from college were a lists of topics: 1) those that I enjoy learning about 2) those that I didn't enjoy learning about 3) those that came easily 4) those that didn't come easily 5) ways that I can approach learning different topics if I needed to. Most importantly, I got methods to reason about data. What I learned from being employed is what people would actually pay me to do. No one would pay me to do anything dealing with chemistry or chemical instrumentation, despite having worked on programming for 2 different raman spectrometers. It turns out they would pay me to program GUIs and databases that generally supported business applications, financial transactions and reporting. As it happens, in doing my job I have to analyze and reason about data and often have to learn new topics. So I found my education to be very worthwhile, though just not directly applicable.
@ladianaify
@ladianaify Год назад
i have been literally openly saying all those things. i am overly honest. luckily, my supervisors tolerate it and try to boost my confidence and make me own up to my "success". i am lucky. others would eat me alive.
@siddheshkudale8600
@siddheshkudale8600 Год назад
I think I am partly in the same boat, however I got eaten alive, rather raw. Brutal.
@rychei5393
@rychei5393 Год назад
Yep, keep speaking up. You are not alone.
@trucid2
@trucid2 Год назад
Autism?
@LightningSpritesJetsWizard
@LightningSpritesJetsWizard Год назад
Same here. Stick to your integrity. Sadly this video only helps to further normalize the unfair culture in academics.
@Kwad_rat
@Kwad_rat Год назад
Ha. This reminds me of my adventures with art university: 1. Everybody hates everybody else. There were groups of professors and applicants, that hated other groups. But they all fought together when the institution was at risk. If you spoke ill about the way things were done, you were an outcast. 2. Nobody said what is really important in job as an artist. And I musi say it's not your skills. The most important thing is who you know. Most important skill is the ability to kiss any high position as you can met and keep in touch. 3. Almost any art competition is won by a small selected few who are professors favorites. 4. Ability to talk bullshit is more important than manual abilities.
@homefrontforge
@homefrontforge Год назад
A group full of fragile egos, defined by their pomposity.
@alexanderfretheim5720
@alexanderfretheim5720 Год назад
Ever since beauty became "subjective", art has become a secret language for the wealthy to exclude the uninitiated with. It's actually considered a GOOD thing now for your art to be hideous and awful, just so long as its in some complex and convoluted way that the right people can memorize and use to show off as a membership card to other right people.
@mark_fi
@mark_fi Год назад
So pretty much the same thing as in politics or most business fields.
@silentrob668
@silentrob668 Год назад
Doesn't matter with art , no one gets successful or even gets a decent job . The lecturers are dirty , tired and poor shuffling from drunken exhibition opening to the next. They can't teach because they don't know and do not want to be found out. After you pierce the veil of art sucess there isn't much there either. Unsold works, debt and zero return.
@dawnfire82
@dawnfire82 9 месяцев назад
​@@silentrob668 Maybe they should create things people like, beautiful things made with skill, elegance, and intelligence, instead of crapping their feelings into a medium like a diarrhetic angry toddler. I like art, but most modern (post-modern?) art is a pathetic joke. And BORING. 'Oh, look, another critique of capitalism. That was super cutting edge in *1955.*'
@M13C7
@M13C7 Год назад
Seriously though i do wish that the part with "job opportunities" would be openly talked about. I was the first one to get into academia from my family, and i had the assumption that there would be a lot of good opportunities. The first semester we were even told which variety of jobs you could theoretically perform with said degree. But by the time i got my bachelors and started to consider working instead of getting my masters i was completely shook by the lack of positions and even MORE shocked by the income you would get. I have worked many partime job as a student, and it was really difficult to do so - i had to work during the night and attend courses at day. And most of those parttime jobs paid me more than fulltime jobs in my field. SAD. I probably would have gotten my degree anyway because of my love for the subject. But holy shit, i would have prefered to know the realistic outcome later on. My family were extremely mad and disappointed because they expected me to graduate and be able to provide for them. Meanwhile, i could barely provide for myself with the first jobs i gotten.
@Whoopsie_woggzy
@Whoopsie_woggzy Год назад
hug
@briciolaa
@briciolaa Год назад
pls tell me it wasnt languages ;-; otherwise im gonna cry myself to sleep tonight
@felixpuscasu5625
@felixpuscasu5625 Год назад
Kinda shit family if they expected you to take care of them tbh
@putonghua73
@putonghua73 9 месяцев назад
Before anyone embarks on a degree they need to investigate the supply and demand aspect for the course. When I was studying Chinese, my teacher was very bitter that she was deceived into studying teaching Chinese as a foreign language. All the demand was in teaching English, and only when she was graduating did she realise that the supply and demand curve for teaching Chinese as a foreign language was completely skewed to the supply side
@Swaaaat1
@Swaaaat1 9 месяцев назад
Wow, your family eanted to parasite you.
@paavobergmann4920
@paavobergmann4920 Год назад
as someone who went all the way through university until I saw reason and applied for a position as technician, I wondered for years why ppl who mostly start out as decent, intelligent persons, would so fiercly defend an institution that is exploitative, breaking their back and soul, while being, well, as you told. My feeling: People sacrifice so much to get where they are, and when they are there, they have hardly any other reliable options left. So what develops is somewhere between sunken cost fallacy, Stockholm Syndrom and a religious cult. Their perception of self depends on the illusion staying intact.
@pysq8
@pysq8 8 месяцев назад
THIS! I wanted to drop out of grad school or change my major so badly "but you came this far" was all I heard... fast forward thirteen years & I was changing careers anyway. Student loans be damned.
@Militaizi
@Militaizi Год назад
Working in industry on AI. Most common work task is reimplementing research. The number one challenge in my early career was not knowing which organizations actually deliver real results with the papers. Now it has gotten fairly easier due to tracking sites like paperswithcode, but on new topics this is still an issue. I would say that around 80-95% of publications are junk, nothing authentically new or even improved, just boilerplate papers. Maybe around 50-75% on most respected journals is total garbage. And the real issue is that there are very limited amount of publications on actually challenging topics, because mainstream likes hyped research. Also maybe because of gambling, a chance to get within the (semi-)big names if you got luck on the paper and topic.
@enginerdy
@enginerdy Год назад
I was warned by a coworker with more academic experience in my field that the hit rate for the grand claims in papers in our field is similar. I personally have a really high bar for my work, and the lack of rigor in “serious science” is pretty disappointing.
@churrothiev8387
@churrothiev8387 Год назад
@@enginerdy same. I'm in academia and I can see that a lot of research is just solutions seeking for problems
@Immudzen
@Immudzen Год назад
What I find is that the smaller engineering journals often have very high quality papers that work even though they get few citations. If something is done in a very prestigious journal though it is most likely false and doesn't work.
@TarzanHedgepeth
@TarzanHedgepeth Год назад
These are facts, man.
@profdc9501
@profdc9501 Год назад
When I started in graduate school, I kept track of new publications. I long have stopped bothering with that. There is such a low signal-to-noise ratio in academic publishing that if you find something that works, it's pretty much by accident.
@zaraxis3519
@zaraxis3519 Год назад
You earned my subscription. When I was going through my academic career, I always wanted to be a college professor. I loved the idea of getting to teach that sort of complex, high end content. What I slowly began realize as time passed, is that Academia has just as many flaws as other places and organization. However, the only difference seems to be that Academia puts a lot of effort into ensuring that they can never be held accountable for any of their mistakes. I had a Microbiology professor, and one day when we were talking in private I told him I wanted to be a college professor. The look and response he gave me, one of just sheer apathy and a look of almost pain in the guys eyes. He essentially told me in the nicest way possible that being a professor had it's ups and downs, After this video I now realize what he really wanted to tell me all along. I am a lot happier having used my degree as the credential tool it truly was to just create my own business, much happier now.
@WhatWillYouFind
@WhatWillYouFind 9 месяцев назад
Dodged a bullet there 3/4 teachers will remain adjunct FOREVER. I moved abroad, so that even if I have to job hop . . . I get paid top rate. I have no regrets.
@Logqnty
@Logqnty 9 месяцев назад
thanks for sharing this, I was looking into a career as a professor, but now I'm starting to get cold feet.
@zaraxis3519
@zaraxis3519 9 месяцев назад
@@Logqnty now, you don't have to take my advice, but I will speak from my personal experience. Instead of being a professor, I went and started my own tutoring business. Now I can teach with the freely based around how parents want and I've found that teaching outside the control of the mainstream academic community has been liberating and enlightening.
@jace743
@jace743 Год назад
I got halfway through grad school before deciding that I would definitely be leaving it after I finished my doctoral degree. Every single thing you said in this video is true in my experience. So refreshing to see this level of honesty.
@halneufmille
@halneufmille Год назад
Once we invited a journal editor to a nice conference we organized, all expenses paid with good food and stuff. Then we submitted a paper to his journal. When the answer came back, he said 2 out of 3 reviews were negative, but he'd tossed the negative ones away and sent the paper again to 2 other reviewers. When we said we couldn't do what r2 was asking, the editor said to just ignore what we didn't like about his comments. Moral of the story: I scratch your back, you publish my paper.
@Nerd3927
@Nerd3927 Год назад
I am not in academics. I will read academic papers with much, much more scrutiny with this insight. Now I understand why my academic boss regards a peer reviewed paper just as reliable as some forum post at some random web site.
@engineeringvision9507
@engineeringvision9507 Год назад
The comments section is the strongest form of peer review!
@-haclong2366
@-haclong2366 Год назад
@@engineeringvision9507 My biggest issue with academic papers is that they don't have comment sections, even if it were limited to only other academics from the same field it would allow for direct visible scrutiny. If a video on RU-vid has issues or is applicable in another situation the uploader didn't think of then someone in the comment section will write about it, this isn't possible in a "no scrutiny please" system. The lack of comment sections is actually the opposite of what the spirit of science is about.
@engineeringvision9507
@engineeringvision9507 Год назад
@@-haclong2366 Papers to me have more in common with currency and politics than information and ideas.
@dmfaccount1272
@dmfaccount1272 Год назад
All you have to do is read them and you can decide if they are reliable or not. If you don't have any ability to discern reliability or validity based off reported statistics and information than you probably would find a forum post more reliable.
@Theviewerdude
@Theviewerdude Год назад
Pretty much!
@matthewdancz9152
@matthewdancz9152 Год назад
As an Aspie, I always felt weird about name dropping. Thanks for clearing up that this is actually normal dishonesty for name exchanging.
@elsagrace3893
@elsagrace3893 Год назад
You aren’t an Aspie. You have Alexithymia and never learned solid social skills.
@nonyobisniss7928
@nonyobisniss7928 Год назад
Don't understand what you mean at all. Can you clear it up? Why do you feel differently about it after watching the video? Because it's "actually normal"? What's that got to do with you being "Aspie"?
@frank_calvert
@frank_calvert Год назад
@@nonyobisniss7928 "aspie" is slang for a person with aspergers. and we are generally (or at least i know i am) excessively honest. so the first bit in this video about putting names that haven't really done anything feels very weird. personally i disagree with the commenter and still see it as pretty bad
@nonyobisniss7928
@nonyobisniss7928 Год назад
@@frank_calvert Thanks, that makes sense. I also feel it's still bad regardless of it being normal.
@sciencetube4574
@sciencetube4574 Год назад
It’s right that putting the wrong names on your author list feels wrong to you. Because it is wrong. It’s blatant scientific misconduct and degrades the integrity of your research. An author has to bear the consequences (both positive and potentially negative) of the publication. Someone who contributed nothing cannot do that and thus should never be put on the paper. By gaming the rewards system of academia, you are undermining the integrity of science and the public trust in the publication process. Of course, many people still do this. Of the potential forms of scientific misconduct, fudging the author list to honour someone higher up is relatively mild compared to things like p-hacking or outright fraud. Which also happen a lot. But that still doesn’t detract from the fact that it is serious misconduct and you should never do it. You don’t need famous people on your author list to publish a paper. Ideally, your university and your national community should have a code of conduct that you can refer to when someone pressures you to put their name on your work, and a disciplinary process to enforce it. The Netherlands, where I work, recently released an updated code of conduct and moved towards enforcing an open environment that discourages unethical behaviour. There may still be difficult corner cases. But generally, you should put the rightful authors and only the rightful authors on your paper.
@TheWaffleRadio
@TheWaffleRadio Год назад
I'm doing all the things the algorithm likes because I appreciate how you got straight into things.
@TheWaffleRadio
@TheWaffleRadio Год назад
Wow, such engagement. Very comment.
@katherinemcintosh7247
@katherinemcintosh7247 Год назад
My folks were both academics. Dad was a math. professor (period after math. because it is an abbreviation😂,) mom was a neuroscience researcher at a university med. school (PhD in pharmacology.) I watched your video to learn what you had to say…and, yes, I recognize everything you put forward here. Regarding “students as customers,” yes, indeed. I actually was aware of this (because of my parents) during my undergrad in the late ‘80’s/early ‘90’s. My second to last semester I did very little work, skipped class a lot. In the end, I had a solid D average. I received a letter from school telling me that I was kicked out for low grades. As it happened, I was getting ready to go on a semester abroad, which was an exchange program between my university and the college in Europe I was supposed to attend. Tuition, on my part, had already been paid. I also only needed 3 more credits to graduate, even with the poor showing that second to last semester, and had already been working in my field of study for 3 years, so I had loads of contacts and a line on an entry level professional position. I wrote a letter to the administration pointing out these things, that I had already paid for my last semester (which was 12 hours,) that I only needed 3 hours to graduate, and that I already had a job waiting for me which did not require a degree in anything to accept. I said that it would not benefit the university to kick me out, it would not hurt me at all, and even with my horrible showing the previous semester, I still would have an acceptable GPA to graduate. I left for my semester abroad as planned, without having heard from the administration. I told my friends who also went on the exchange about how,I had been “kicked out of school” for grades because I thought it was funny. They were all shocked and stressed about it. I explained to them that the university is a business and told them what I had written in my letter to the administration. They were astonished and dubious about whether they would decide in my favor because it did not follow the stated rules. I said I wasn’t worried. Those of us who were set to graduate together did so after completing our internships. I along with everyone else. We all laughed about it. They could not believe it worked out the way it did and asked me why I was so certain it would. I said, “both of my parents work in academia. That’s how I knew.”😂
@itsgonnabeanaurfromme
@itsgonnabeanaurfromme 9 месяцев назад
Good for you for being so privileged
@katherinemcintosh7247
@katherinemcintosh7247 9 месяцев назад
@@itsgonnabeanaurfromme you missed my point entirely. I do not deny that I was privileged in many ways. My folks were very smart and pillars of our community. They were also terrible parents.
@iandickson7699
@iandickson7699 Год назад
Even in the early 80's my course, which most thought was likely to lead to a job in the field, the actual numbers were about 30%. Most graduate jobs, are nothing to do with the degree. Later on a Uni suggested I write up my job (some very technical but industry changing maths) for a PhD. Great I thought. "So, who will be your supervisor?". Me, "what's a supervisor?". It became clear very quickly that not only did I think I was the only person doing what I was doing, it seemed I actually was. No one could supervise, so, no PhD. So, since then I've gone with "well, the only reason I don't have a PhD is that the Uni couldn't find anyone who knew more about it than me" :-)
@mark_fi
@mark_fi Год назад
Well, then that was probably a shitty university / department. There is nothing wrong of knowing about a particular topic more that the supervisor. In the end, the supervisor's rule is, well, to supervise, but the job has to be done by the PhD candidate who thereby demonstrates that he/she is able to perform research "independently".
@PhilLesh69
@PhilLesh69 Год назад
Never saying you couldn't be hired into your role today hit home for me as a web developer. I started web development in 1996. I had two years of college, a certificate in Novell Netware administration or something like that, and I was working with other people who had no related formal education. Because at the time there really wasn't any sort of thing at the time. At my last job as a web developer I was working alongside people with master's degrees and even a couple who had PhDs in some sort of computer science, data analysis or some other specific web technology or field. I was basically outclassed on paper by guys who constantly needed me to show them how to do some web publishing tasks like stripping variables or where to use and set constants or other things to avoid cross script injection or Dom manipulation things that pose security risks. Not to mention they needed me to show them command line, remote shell or scripted password hashing stuff all the time. My resume would be at the bottom of any pile if they went strictly on education certificates and credentials. But I can do just about any job involving web publishing or content management system dev or administration.
@tetrabromobisphenol
@tetrabromobisphenol Год назад
That's because you are effectively an IT administrator to help with custom web publishing, and they are clearly specialists in data science or machine learning. Their job description is not even remotely close to yours and vice versa.
@phobics9498
@phobics9498 Год назад
Well aside from just formal education you do have a ton of work experience if you have been working since 1996, I figure that would count for a lot wouldnt it?
@norwegianzound
@norwegianzound Год назад
I asked a new guy with an MSc in Computer Science to upgrade the RAM in a laptop and he looked at me like I had asked him to solve Fermat's Theorem.
@redfullmoon
@redfullmoon Год назад
@@tetrabromobisphenol academia is highly disconnected with what the professional world needs. Academia is too focused on theory than what businesses actually need you to do. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kJFSczoWfy0.html
@gasun1274
@gasun1274 Год назад
@@norwegianzound computer science isn't about building gaming rigs. any 12 year old can do that.
@andrewmiller407
@andrewmiller407 Год назад
I enrolled in graduate school after several years working as a chemistry technician, with the intent of pursuing a PhD. As soon as I saw the workings of academia from the inside, I switched to a MS and got out of there as quickly as possible.
@RiRi-ku6xz
@RiRi-ku6xz 20 дней назад
What do chemistry technicians do?
@atk05003
@atk05003 Год назад
Several of these points are why I'm glad I was able to get through my masters degree really quickly. I got my bachelors degree from a university that didn't do research. All they focused on was education. When I moved on to my masters degree I got more exposure to how research is done at universities. I loved most of the people I was working with, but I hated the research environment. "Publish or perish" is a blight that has caused me to read all research with skepticism.
@RatedX29
@RatedX29 Год назад
The physics uni profs at my uni had a workaround for the employment thing. They had a graph of every field they could get you in and how much they make. Then said you get that much because there are only 5 people employed there. In a room of like 1200 people, you can make your own estimates
@sciencetypeperson2401
@sciencetypeperson2401 Год назад
Indeed. I attended several career panels when I was in grad school and listened to many people talk about their "really interesting and rewarding" work only to admit at the end that there were only like 5-6 of those jobs in the whole country. How was that supposed to help me?
@nxxynx5039
@nxxynx5039 Год назад
@@sciencetypeperson2401 the constant lying of careers to trick the youth into paying Uni fees. There ain't jobs in desirable fields out of University for 95% of the students that put the work in. The qualification economy is completely fake, to the point jobs that don't need higher education and are better taught through apprenticeship and career experience now require asinine bits of paper that required none of the skills to acquire that the job needs.
@Andrew-rc3vh
@Andrew-rc3vh Год назад
What did he call that? Field theory?
@RatedX29
@RatedX29 Год назад
@@Andrew-rc3vh it was just part of the introduction in the first week.
@jimcat68
@jimcat68 Год назад
@@Andrew-rc3vh I see what you did there
@aaronbredon2948
@aaronbredon2948 Год назад
I can be pretty sure my late father (PhD in Mathematics) never had his name on a paper he didn't contribute to. I can be that sure because when I looked him up, he had only 1 paper with his name followed by 3 full books through a major college book publisher. He was actually in high demand and had a tenured position because his work was quite influential (his specialty was Sheaf Theory within Algebraic Topology, and his book was literally named "Sheaf Theory") I think he might have known John Nash of Game Theory fame because he worked in the same place, knew someone who directly knew Nash, and had a handmade copy of one of Nash's board games.
@RKTGX95
@RKTGX95 Год назад
Sometimes it seems to me that mathematicians are a different breed than anyone else in academia.
@lordspongebobofhousesquare1616
Is your father's name Glen Bredon?
@aaronbredon2948
@aaronbredon2948 Год назад
@@lordspongebobofhousesquare1616 Yes. Besides being a mathematician, he also was a Apple II programmer. When he died, he left his Apple II library (including the source code to the programs he wrote) to the Apple II community.
@reneschipperus6707
@reneschipperus6707 Год назад
Yes, I have read that book, it is one of the best. Mathematics is not as bad as other domains, there is little of the gratuitous authorship. The papers have proofs so reproducibility is not in question.
@KB-pd9yh
@KB-pd9yh Год назад
I recently (last month) finished a PhD in Algebraic Geometry, and I don't think I've got the technical chops for academia. Your dad sounds like an absolute legend.
@styloroc2000
@styloroc2000 Год назад
Tell me about it -- it's even worse if you're a student; I was a graduate student at university that rhymes with Hohns Jopkins and a semester into my graduate degree I realized I made a big mistake as I tabulated the loans I took out and measured them against what kind of value I was getting from the coursework (I felt I was rehashing everything I had learned in my undergraduate studies, not any more intrinsically and even less pragmatically). When I tried seeking more engagement and support and failed, I was vocal about it and it didn't win me any friends with the faculty. Over a decade later (and still paying those loans) I still feel validated; while professionally successful, I feel like I received more support through my military background than anything I gained from my graduate degree. YMMV, but in my experience, these top tier graduate schools put so much money into their reputation and not enough into providing the opportunities or experiences that would make their scholars successful -- they are only successful because they attract the best and brightest by this reputation, but substantively, they are lacking.
@dave4882
@dave4882 9 месяцев назад
I very much feel that there should be a class on picking a college and majors taught in either AP high school, or first semester of college. DEFINITELY should cover picking a career that will allow you to pay off your loans.
@dawnfire82
@dawnfire82 9 месяцев назад
That's basically the Ivy League. An aura of mystique surrounding a good, but not really excellent, education. Yale has been the #1 law school in America for decades. No grades, only a P/F system, and no one fails. Yale graduates are infamous for being, just, utterly ignorant about the practice of law. Often well-schooled in theories of jurisprudence and whatever the most recent 'social justice' garbage to fall out of the social sciences is, but totally unable to brief, argue, and win a case using actual law and governing precedent.
@itsgonnabeanaurfromme
@itsgonnabeanaurfromme 9 месяцев назад
You tabulated your loans vs the coursework during grad school? Shouldn't you have done that before entering? Those prestigious universities don't attract the best and brightest. They attract recognition hogs and stupid people who don't know any better.
@pi4t651
@pi4t651 8 месяцев назад
Interesting. In the UK, Oxford and Cambridge seem to deserve their reputation more, at least in my field (maths). I did my undergraduate in one of them, and then did my PhD in one of the strongest non-Oxbridge universities in the country. I discovered that the fourth year courses at my new university were pretty consistently covering the content I'd learned in my third year. I think the reason is because of the tutorial/supervision system, which means students get a lot more individual attention and mentoring than in other universities. Basically, in the first and second years, you can expect 3-4 sessions a week with academics from your college going through problem sheets, either on your own or in a really small group.
@galveston8929
@galveston8929 Год назад
Me too. The hardest part of my academic life was not just putting advisor's name next to mine on my papers but it was when I had to come up with ways to convince the advisor that the paper's original idea was actually coming from him (without him having done absolutely anything) so that he wouldn't gate the submission and/or my graduation. Sometimes I had to quietly undo his irrelevant edits to my papers in such a way that his ego is not hurt.
@zuiaidelang
@zuiaidelang Год назад
I wonder, is there any self-made scholar out there, who is so passionate about finding his answer, and does his research at home, without being attached to any university, and still be able to publish his paper in a recognised academic journal?
@simpletongeek
@simpletongeek Год назад
Never say never, but chances are only the most desperate academic journal will accept that, which can actually be harmful. Or you can do what Don Knuth did, and approach a commercial publisher and have them publish your (academic paper) commercial research for you.
@epicmarschmallow5049
@epicmarschmallow5049 Год назад
Most scholarship is grounded on cooperation, and most cooperation occurs in places with more specialists (aka universities). Doing research without being attached to a university is pretty pointless and counter-productive. If you were that passionate, you'd generally just bite the bullet and get on with it
@zuiaidelang
@zuiaidelang Год назад
@@epicmarschmallow5049 there a lot of subjects in this world are more to theory, which don't require much experiment and application but thought process, eg: physics, mathematics, economy. And there are a lot of people in this world are already financial free.
@macha3191
@macha3191 Год назад
This is kind of a cheating answer, but there are lots of retired academics doing this. Then, there are lots of folks working in the tech industry that publish in ML/AI, both on behalf of the company or doing fun projects with friends who most likely are attached to universities. Now someone who is entirely working alone without at least a history with the university is quite rare if for no other reason it's just really difficult to pick up and learn the topic deeply enough to do publishable work and learn the ins and outs of academic publishing. It's not entirely clear to me what that person's incentive would be to publish in an academic journal when they could put things on arxiv, or a blog for that matter so you could have a more robust discussion than you probably would with a peer reviewer.
@flownaway2856
@flownaway2856 Год назад
I grew up in a household with an academic parent (and went to innumerable department parties) so I have an inside scoop behind the curtain. One thing you can add to the list... professors can't dock a student's grade for poor writing or tell a student they write badly, no matter how atrocious their grammar and style are. When I was in high school, said parent was grading a stack of final papers and I grabbed a few that were already graded and started reading them. It was some of the worst writing I'd ever seen, and I wasn't even an adult yet. I turned to them and said "Your students can't write." and they replied, "I know."
@amyrobinson7567
@amyrobinson7567 Год назад
It's amazing, depending of the field, how many just assess content. I write my rubrics that explicitly assess grammar and punctuation to ensure students understand that, without it, their content won't make sense. Unfortunately, this is tied to the 'don't fail students' angle many universities push that another commenter mentioned earlier.
@zwan1886
@zwan1886 8 месяцев назад
This has everything to do with race. Ironic in a video like this, people still can't be honest with themselves.
@pysq8
@pysq8 8 месяцев назад
​@@zwan1886please elaborate
@zandaroos553
@zandaroos553 8 месяцев назад
@@zwan1886Found the EJMR user
@Icarus47249fd
@Icarus47249fd 7 месяцев назад
There seem to be declining standard in eduction. I recall going through the education system (still am), there seem to be to be a lack of purpose, such as "why am I learning this" and general lack of structure from the teachers. It's like playing a chess match, except this person could randomly change their rule to however they please, how is this right? Then, as we seen after the warring state period came to a conclusion, the system for exchange was all over the place; there need to be a standardize expectation. I'm not advocating for the same debacle we witness with the standardize test, but it's also to a degree necessary. It's frustrating because not every person is getting the same quality of education. Rather one agree or not, certain teachers and professors are simply a matter of fact better. It's in my frustration that it can feel like a roll of dice at times. How am I purpose to be purpose, to say I have an associate or bachelor when I feel the most undeserving of them all.
@athiefinthenight6894
@athiefinthenight6894 Год назад
this guy just dropping truth bombs.
@jamie-sims
@jamie-sims Год назад
Found this very interesting. I'm not an academic but when I was a student I had a lot of involvement in activism and working with more radical academics, the UCU (the main trade union for academics in the UK), and casualised hourly paid lecturers. A lot of these ring true in terms of the criticisms we had of academia, especially as it became increasingly marketised and as rankings based on publications led to the kind of status competition and gaming of the system you talk about. The 'don't criticise the university publicly' one really hits home and I think combines with the fact that academics tend to be on short term contracts and tenured positions are more competitive and less frequent. At my university short term contracts allowed a de facto purge of more politically active academics and union militants, especially in the English Literature department which used to be a hotbed of criticism of the marketisation of the university. One prominent tenured academic was suspended, for such transgressions as excessive sighing in meetings with management, but that led to a major backlash. After that they realised all they needed to do was clear out the more troublesome junior staff by quietly deciding not to renew their contracts. Also whenever we as students did activism which called into question the university's PR image of itself, you could tell it really upset them and often led to massive overreactions.
@itsgonnabeanaurfromme
@itsgonnabeanaurfromme 9 месяцев назад
​@karlwithak.If you're going to go all pseudo-intellectual like that, at least use the correct spelling of "their"
@rebeccaalvarado1838
@rebeccaalvarado1838 Год назад
These are actually so telling about the academic system
@samuelb.9515
@samuelb.9515 Год назад
Many sobering realizations--just one of many things I've gotten out of my Ph.D. But I don't regret it! Thanks for your super valuable content, Andy.
@OttomanSinbad
@OttomanSinbad Год назад
This is simply the most honest, most explosive presentation I have ever seen. It speaks out loud on (almost) every issue that has been screaming in my mind for decades, and which I have used many opportunities, including public fora to speak about. Fortunately, I work in a governmental university and it isn't too easy to throw me out for speaking my mind. However, I am not much liked, to put it mildly, and even my better disposed friends keep hoping that someday I will grow out of my ‘juvenile’ outspokenness. I consider that the intellectual vitality of a civilization is very critically dependent on its intellectual honesty, and essentially every one of the 9 points you discussed are instances where we compromise on this honesty either by actually lying or by remaining silent when we shouldn't be silent. As the subterfuge continues, the quality of our output - not necessarily accurately measured in any index such as the h-index - will degrade, is already degrading. It will happen all around, everyone will be complicit, and if ever there comes a time to blame the academic community for letting things slide to this, everyone will escape blame. At the same time, we would have become a less resilient, less flexible civilization. This is how nations and superpowers decline, this is how entire civilizations will decline if the intellectual vanguard, the academia, itself begins to falter, and does not even notice. A natural outcome of suppressing honest calling out. When I took this job, it was for the primary reason that an academic job is the only one where you get to keep your soul. It's no longer true now, though it's still perhaps better than the corporate world of today. Perhaps some of us who are able to see what is happening should join hands and shout louder about the dangers. This may lead to movement, even if the numbers are very small. I would be happy to join and contribute.
@Thrillkilled
@Thrillkilled 9 месяцев назад
holy shit, this comment makes me so sad. i was planning to pursue a career in academia for your exact reason, it feels like the only place where i get to keep my soul, especially compared to the corporate world. seeing this comment is making me really reconsider.
@pysq8
@pysq8 8 месяцев назад
... the not noticing is definitely the scariest part... You're the hero we teach children about: everyday people with integrity.
@studogable
@studogable Год назад
"Trendy applications" is an interesting term. I got a request from a journal once to reprint one of my conference proceedings papers - but they wanted the focus of their journal explicitly emphasized in my rewrite. This really did change the research just a bit - it was probably responsible for this becoming my most-cited paper to date.
@AlgorithmicEchoes
@AlgorithmicEchoes Год назад
Excellent work. 1 more thing I would like to add is the proliferation of shortcut papers like bibliometric reviews, meta-analysis and opinion papers (where 20 so authors put their pieces in a single article). I'm ashamed to say that many academics especially academics from South Asia who have reached editorial positions publish only this stuff and put names of less accomplished faculty for all types of favours. The travesty is that these 'academics' have 50k citations but no academic identity. While there are a lot of 'publications' coming out there's no real 'research.'
@andrearaimondi882
@andrearaimondi882 Год назад
Hold on, meta-analyses can be a real boon and extremely useful. Bibliometric reviews much less so but even then, quite useful.
@AlgorithmicEchoes
@AlgorithmicEchoes Год назад
@@andrearaimondi882 I agree. The problem is commoditization and indiscriminate usage and no check on that . There are finance faculty who are doing meta-analysis and publishing in Journals of Medicine. The spirit of research gets lost in the process.
@TKDB13
@TKDB13 Год назад
This sort of academic politics was a big factor in why I ended up leaving grad school for a change of career path. In a similar vein, I learned that you don't talk out loud about too many particulars of the project you're working on before publication. Especially not around people from other departments whose labs work on similar topics. Collaboration with others outside your own lab is essential to bring in the right set of skills and expertise, but that needs to be kept to a very tight circle of trusted colleagues, preferably colleagues who are relatively disinterested in your topic of research beyond the specific technical aspect they're helping you with. One might naively suppose that two labs working in similar areas of study could have a lot of insights and perspectives to share that would mutually advance their understanding of the matters they're studying if they were to compare notes. But in fact, those labs are competition, and tipping your hand might give them a chance to scoop you.
@LightningSpritesJetsWizard
@LightningSpritesJetsWizard Год назад
Some research groups like to host meetings associated with specific scientific data and their applications. Beware because it is mainly for harvesting everyone's ideas for their own Ph.D..'s publications and they will not collaborate! Also, you may be eager to collaborate by sharing some data gathered during your project. You forgot to check back on it or get no response and a year later that guy produced 4 papers with it, without offering co-authorship or project acknowledgment!
@alexanderfretheim5720
@alexanderfretheim5720 Год назад
I once had a part-time job tutoring a Biology grad student in the R programming language because he didn't want to work with a lab that had those skills.
@macha3191
@macha3191 Год назад
@@LightningSpritesJetsWizard Could be worse... I just wrote a collaborative grant proposal just to find the other person submitted it himself without me on it. They won the grant.
@raymondgao1172
@raymondgao1172 Месяц назад
thx so much for debunking those elephants in the room! telling the truths, not lies, definitely helps young academics and students to have a realistic understanding of what's happening out there in the real 'academic' world, rather than some 'fantasy' ivory towers which are hugely misleading and unhelpful. I've become more and more disenchanted with the academia, after realizing it's just a business specialized in producing papers, getting grants and money for producing more papers, and attracting students to charge their expensive tuitions. but too bad and so sad that I got to know this hard truth too late. and I'm too fucking old to make a switch in my career, what a sad story....
@DJTS1991
@DJTS1991 Год назад
A few years ago, I was temporarily expelled from my Masters in Education. Part of the requirements were attending four Practicums over 3 years. In the lead up to this, I had spent 10 years in the workforce, in a non-educational or academic work environment. My parents were successful entrepreneurs and employers who were VERY big on regular leadership coaching, communication and presentation skills, as well as inclusion and diversity training. I was also diagnosed at 8 years old with ASD and serious heart condition at birth, and had been through the ins and outs of the educational and disability system and their respective sectors. And while I knew going in I obviously didn't know everything (as nobody does), I was super keen to learn from industry experts and educators. They... HATED... me. And I mean... hated... to every extent that you can possibly imagine. I sat at the front of every class, wrote an insane amount of notes, and asked questions when things didn't make sense. I networked, did every assignment on time, and even had three jobs lined up before I graduated. I was essentially a model student. Then why was I expelled? A few reasons... 1) By asking innocent basic questions to better understand the material, a few faculty members thought I was questioning their knowledge. None of my cohort (or student union) thought this. 2) Several faculty members verbally bashed their workplace during classes. Concerned, I reported it, and was reprimanded for "disrupting the culture of the university". 3) I asked my Practicum Mentor for a single day to attend a small job interview (you know, to earn money to eat, pay rent and stay alive), was approved, and then reprimanded by the Practicum Co-Ordinator for not making my classes a priority. 4) On one occasion during peak COVID season, I told the faculty members I felt uncomfortable forcing elementary school students to share food during recess. I was told I was being difficult and argumentative. 5) I received contradictory feedback from two professors in the same day - one thought I was the best teacher they'd seen all year, and the other thought I was the worst teacher they'd seen all year. My teaching was viewed by both teachers at the same time. It ultimately comes down to perspective really, and philosophy. The university sided with the negative professor. 6) Lastly, and most importantly, the Co-Ordinator of the Master's Degree said verbally, and I quote... "From my experience, people with disabilities shouldn't become educators. They slow everybody else down." This woman had a Ph.D. It was weird because this quote didn't mesh well with her thesis on inclusion and diversity in children's books. Despite there being zero human characters, the Very Hungry Caterpillar is 'apparently' a racist book. She also had a son on the Spectrum. We sued the university, provided evidence, there was an investigation, and it was an easy win. I was allowed back within the university to continue. But by then, I was so disillusioned with academia, I quit completely. I wasn't 20 when I went through this. I was 29.
@RobinTheBot
@RobinTheBot Год назад
All sounds very normal.
@elowin1691
@elowin1691 Год назад
@Karl with a K Sorry, just because academia is pretty fucking shit doesn't mean business gets to be the honorable hero now. Both are bad for different (and frankly many of the same) reasons. It also doesn't mean that not listening to actual experts within academia makes you a very smart boy, either.
@incognitotorpedo42
@incognitotorpedo42 Год назад
@@karlwithak1835 It is simply untrue that "no business recognizes the work of academics as worth looking at". In the pharmaceutical industry we interact with academics on a regular basis.
@ffwast
@ffwast Год назад
There's nothing most teachers hate more than having to teach instead of just being a malignant narcissist.
@bonelessbooks9263
@bonelessbooks9263 Год назад
Bro paging the ADA rn
@TLTeo
@TLTeo Год назад
Regarding reproducibility in my field (astrophysics) - it depends. Experimental results are generally fairly reproducible because most data becomes publicly available relatively quickly (if not instantly as it's taken), and the data analysis tools for a given observatory are public from the get go. Where reproducibility stops being considered is in more modelling/theoretical results. In this case the codes used are almost always private and unique to each group, so you will have people saying "we fit the data and infer X" and nobody can check whether that is because of some coding issue/choice for instance, or because that is actually what the data is telling you. Another thing I would mention is that grant proposals are frankly a giant con. We always have to promise some giant breakthrough and then some. If you don't, someone comes along saying "in 3 years I will detect life on exoplanets" or something, and whatever bit of incremental work pales in comparison to that, so your application is immediately rejected.
@TarzanHedgepeth
@TarzanHedgepeth Год назад
Exactly
@mynamehere69
@mynamehere69 Год назад
what tips do you recommend for those new into the field of astrophysics? I got my bachelors in astronomy and astrophysics, and have no idea what to do
@bornatona3954
@bornatona3954 Год назад
Astrophysics is a crap ...
@TarzanHedgepeth
@TarzanHedgepeth Год назад
@@bornatona3954 Astrophysics is dadgum awesome. Just don’t get into it Willy-nilly. Be a creative and a risk-taker to be in that field… don’t aim for being a cog. You’ll sacrifice some dignities in the short-term; but, if you have a passion for finding an answer to a specific question or questions, you can take quite the journey to get there. It would be nice to see someone take Jason Lisle’s anisotropic synchrony convention to other directions and apply that to the physics of black holes and the study of time… If you’ve got the math skills, that’s a fun idea. At any rate… this world doesn’t get it. It’s awesome to be able to search out that stuff. It is awesome to seek the rewards for that stuff. That’s being an artist and a pioneer and an investigator all at once. It is cool stuff.
@lukeduffy3374
@lukeduffy3374 Год назад
Astrophysics is super interesting - Any idea what's in store for us Virgos for the rest of January?
@walterwittich5293
@walterwittich5293 Год назад
The first time I followed my integrity to demonstrate that a student had plagiarized, I was overwhelmed with how much work this created for me administratively to prove this plagiarism. Even though the follow-up was not done by me, the burden of proof was tremendous on me. It turned out that I was the third professor to go through this process with that same student, which resulted in the student's expulsion - but I knew none of that when I made my own case, given that the record was confidential. Sadly, I now think twice before I choose to accuse a student of plagiarism, knowing how much time this process eats up; but I still need to do this when I am faced with plagiarism, because otherwise such students may eventually become my colleagues...
@daithi1966
@daithi1966 Год назад
It should require some work on your part if you accuse a student of plagiarism. That is a serious accusation. Likewise, this is something you should make the effort to address. It is a serious breach of ethics. Lastly, your school handled it correctly by expelling the student for multiple offenses. I'm really not sure why your whining about having to do your job, or why people have been up voting your comment.
@enginerdy
@enginerdy Год назад
@@daithi1966presumably a person is already 100% utilized doing their job, and “doing the right thing” should not cause you to have a significant amount of overtime. There should be serious burdens of proof, but burdens of paperwork isn’t really the same thing
@McSymbyos
@McSymbyos Год назад
@@daithi1966 The guy obviously did something not much people do because it is very strenuous. If the process was simpler or if people had more time to give to such matters, more people would do it. Telling somebody they are whining when they did the right thing will not improve a disfunctional situation.
@Whoopsie_woggzy
@Whoopsie_woggzy Год назад
terrifying
@fjodorstjulkins5179
@fjodorstjulkins5179 Год назад
I once said in a LinkedIn comment that the institution I worked on has awful IT infrastructure and writing code is a headache unless you just use your own hardware. Got an email from the dean and a visit from our marketing department (that Institute has one). I left 2 years later, the IT situation was completely unchanged with the one exception of finally upping our mailboxes to 10gb from 2.
@13086
@13086 8 месяцев назад
The accuracy of some of your confessions is just eerie. Every applicant even for an assistant position is publications-wise just way better than me and I feel terribly guilty about it. A former student of mine hopped from position to another your years though he knows how to publish much good work on fancy topics, all of which I don't. Man, I was so relieved when he finally got tenured, I was close to handing him my chair and everything...
@blakejames9952
@blakejames9952 Год назад
I could write a paper on this video. The amount of truth being spewed is wonderful.!!
@anirbanbaral8712
@anirbanbaral8712 Год назад
My former boss gave authorship to people simply so that they won't be peer reviewers. Rather they be in the tent than piss on it from outside.
@lebaronmarcus
@lebaronmarcus 5 дней назад
It's so true. In my field (Engineering) this silence is enforced with "professionalism". Calling attention to these problems is "unprofessional behaviour" and having that reputation can end someone's career
@RasTona_
@RasTona_ 8 месяцев назад
Thanks. I recently walked away from “Cal State” University. I did everything u pointed out not to do. I was transitioning from a Military career to academia. Biggest culture shock of my life. Lesson learned.
@Sapwolf
@Sapwolf 8 месяцев назад
It's funny because when I read your comment and got to 'Military career to academia', I instinctually cringed.
@RasTona_
@RasTona_ 7 месяцев назад
@@Sapwolf 🤭 i hve gotten those reactions irl frm other ppl.
@lecoutcritique8854
@lecoutcritique8854 Год назад
80% true in France too : Universities are state subsidized so we have leniency to fail a bit more, but not as much as would be required (like 3 year students are almost ignorant of their field), and the job market is more advertised than what you describe (to the point we had an entire module on job prospect during the very first semester of university). The rest is pin point accurate.
@YassoKuhl
@YassoKuhl Год назад
"I did do nothing for the paper" I'm just writing one with a PhD buddy of mine and we'd actually be grateful if one of our supervisors would be on the paper for less scrutiny in the peer review process. But they don't want to be on since they only provided supervision. Fun reverse problem!
@c.andrew3944
@c.andrew3944 Год назад
Its a catch, because everything you described involves being critical of both the ethics and environment of academia. If we want to improve the process, it takes honesty, ethics, and a critical look. Alas, no in charge actually wants to change anything because that's their gravy train. However, if we do want to improve academia, then it takes saying these quite parts out loud. However however, doing that will remove you from academia and the superstructure reinforces itself. Meaning in order to change or make academia more ethical, improve its work-life balance, or hold unethical people to account you must be a heterodox, which will get you sidelined and ignored. The structure reinforces itself, and anyone with a spine willing to be ethical, bite the hand that feeds, and improve the process will be rejected by the system.
@sumbuddy4088
@sumbuddy4088 Год назад
This video is confirming a lot of rather alarming suspicions I have had as a student.
@cicciobaciccio2177
@cicciobaciccio2177 Год назад
Double blind peer review: Authors: "As we previously shown [3]..."
@JonathanMerten-wt1kd
@JonathanMerten-wt1kd Год назад
Unfortunately, double blind also doesn't work if the field is small. I can identify the research group based on the experimental section of their paper
@CZpersi
@CZpersi Год назад
Self-citations should be temporarily anonymized for peer-review. The same for grant information etc. But in some fields, this does not help either, because the community is so small that people know each others’ research anyway.
@Drjtherrien
@Drjtherrien Год назад
For that last one, at least in the US that "trendy application" is part of the Broader Impact section required in NSF proposals. BTW, I had a chemist fried tell me that it's standard practice to report the best yield out of multiple trials, even if it's way off the average value.
@DaLiJeIOvoImeZauzeto
@DaLiJeIOvoImeZauzeto 10 месяцев назад
As a soon to be PhD from an EU university, I agree with and have seen all of these. I have to add, though, that in my home country, where I graduated in Biochemistry, you better believe students were failing exams if they put in insuficient work.
@barongerhardt
@barongerhardt Год назад
While at a university as a researcher fellow, we had a subject matter working group. The understanding was definitely around getting all our names on all the papers and referencing each others works as much as possible.
@mogosdebesh7956
@mogosdebesh7956 Год назад
Thanks Andy, your contribution was awesome and it helps people like me who are at the very first program of the PhD.
@janetkizer5956
@janetkizer5956 Год назад
That point about not failing students who don't do the work at all is upsetting. I got a B.A. back in the 1970s. After I retired in 2015 I wnt back to school to work on a second degree. Studying is important to me. I always do the readings. I take part in all discussions no matter how tired I am. I always study hard for, and pass, the quizzes and exams, and work hard on my essays and other assignments. So, the lowest mark I ever get is a B. I figure I deserve that B, based upon my work. The thought that someone might sleep through lectures and scrabble an essay together at the last minute and barely pass the quizzes and get a B is infuriating to me. Education, for me, is about learning. Who is learning in such a situation? In my opinion you learn by doing the work, not by just living through the course.
@TotalRookie_LV
@TotalRookie_LV Год назад
"..if I applied today" is true everywhere, not just academia, I pretty often think of it myself, and I got nothing to do with research or higher education.
@frankjennings4489
@frankjennings4489 Год назад
On point #2, talking bad about your organization is a no-go pretty much wherever you are, even in the private sector.
@anlumo1
@anlumo1 Год назад
In my field in Computer Science, papers often leave out edge cases, because they want to sell their own implementation commercially that contains fixes for them. You can't simply implement what they described in the paper and then use it in a product, it'll break.
@byronwilliams7977
@byronwilliams7977 Год назад
Thank you for this video. Having been steeped in Academia for the vast majority of my adult life, I 100% agree with most of what you've said. It really does feel like the University system has somehow become duplicitous.
@Sonsequence
@Sonsequence Год назад
You know what I really appreciated in this video? The very British sash window there. I'm here living in Germany with my efficient, draft proof windows feeling so homesick.
@karsaanita
@karsaanita Год назад
4:38 absolutely true in cutting edge medical imaging research! There is so much emphasis on novelty and potential impact instead of developing something that actually works robustly across a large population. One of the main reasons I left. Some of my other reasons are also listed in this video.
@DinoDiniProductions
@DinoDiniProductions Год назад
I contributed to one paper on layered goal orientated action planning. My contribution was fleshing out the core concept and proof reading. The dean attempted to strike me from the paper, himself being listed as an author, although he did nothing on the paper at all. I fixed it, but after that had zero interest in further research, given that publications were not only not required, but treated as irrelevant when it came to performance evaluations. It's a shame because I could have generated a huge amount of research output if I had been given some support. We can guess why I was not given any...
@kongspeaks4778
@kongspeaks4778 Год назад
I was quite open about my disillusionment with my linguistics masters course, and boy was my department cold to me throughout!!
@elezraita
@elezraita Год назад
I got screwed out of my Ph.D in P-Chem because I couldn’t reproduce the results the previous guy used to finish his dissertation. If fact, once I got over my bias that he had to be right, it was fairly straightforward to disprove his results. My lab space was then given to another group soon after as my advisor retired to go work full time at the NSF. Honestly, I should have just skipped grad school and learned to code. What a waste of time.
@MarioLanzas.
@MarioLanzas. 8 месяцев назад
in my freshman year in Fine Arts, they did tell us that statistically only two of our promotion would eventually work in the field. I felt weirdly relieved by that honesty
@A3racada3ra
@A3racada3ra Год назад
I think you need to toughen up in order to make it in academia. It's also not too helpful if you are just too nice of a person, because others will smell this from far far away and take advantage of that. For example in one case two PhD students were writing up a paper with one of them doing way more of the workload. They ended up sharing the first authorship (which was alright) but on top of that the other person (who did less work) asked to be listed as the first person (being supported by his PI), because he would like to stay in academia. They then promised the other PhD that there will be a follow up story of equal impact on which she could be listed first then. Well, this second paper has not been published ... This is quite a common scenario. Don't be fooled by those people who say "I plan to stay in academia, I need this more than you". Yes, it might be true that you don't want to stay in academia and you don't need as much output to "just" get your degree. However, you never know if you might change your mind in the upcoming years. I always tell this to my junior colleagues who are in a similar situation. This also explains why so many succesful scientists are actually assholes or at least not the kind of human being you like to spent much time with.
@enginerdy
@enginerdy Год назад
Academia has serious problems with lock-in within small power structures, which enables people with severe personality disorders to maintain power over a rotating group of naive and usually much younger people. You can’t hardly talk to someone with a PhD that didn’t have a close encounter with someone behaving absolutely horribly. That is a trait of a dysfunctional and toxic system and culture, not an indication that every grad student…ever… is too ..soft??
@A3racada3ra
@A3racada3ra Год назад
@Supercollider First of all, I never stated that I am a supporter of the way academia works right now. Maybe you should read more carefully. Second, I just refer to the harsh reality we live in today. You can be idealistic and try to do it your way, but you will have a hard time because the structures are like they are. That's why I meant you need to toughen up to make it because you will go through lots of resistance, people trying to abuse you and so on. That doesn't mean you should become an asshole yourself, though. What would be your way of dealing with these structures as someone on the lower end of the food chain?
@A3racada3ra
@A3racada3ra Год назад
@Supercollider Well, then there is a misunderstanding of what I meant with toughening up. By no means I meant that you should just accept the abuse and go on with it. On the contrary, I mean that you should hold your ground without becoming one of the very same people. However, since these structures are rigid and people inside the system are unlikely to change, you have to be prepared and deal with all those obstacles. Here you just need to be tough, otherwise you won't make it. Even though I'd like to be more of an idealist, I think those structures take much longer to break. Unfortunetely, for those young scientists who want to have a career in academia, they have to think twice if they want be that one person who is seen as the "troublemaker" and take the risk of never making it.
@zephsmith3499
@zephsmith3499 Год назад
@@supercollider3126 Any hints on the huge changes you believe are on the horizon? Defunding universities? Or what?
@zephsmith3499
@zephsmith3499 Год назад
@@supercollider3126 Thanks for that overview. You make some excellent points. The big new wild card in your list is AI, it's pretty difficult to guess what that will go. I am very much still absorbing the implications of ChatGPT. I had not yet considered the effect on universities. This does not seem to be a good time in history for them to accumulate a reputation as progressive indoctrination centers within a substantial portion of the population. It sounds like they may need massive support from government to continue, and they need broader political support to get that. I hope the next regime is better. Not holding my breath tho.
@paulforbes1217
@paulforbes1217 Год назад
After my over 30 yrs in higher ed administration, you’ve spoken truth to power. The heard instinct among academics is pitiful to witness. The Academy is in deep trouble and there are far too few real scholars capable of saving it.
@paulbradford6475
@paulbradford6475 Год назад
I believe that's "herd" instinct.
@alexanderfretheim5720
@alexanderfretheim5720 Год назад
@@paulbradford6475 Well to be fair, he is an administrator, not a professor.
@jogennotsuki
@jogennotsuki Год назад
@@alexanderfretheim5720 It doesn't take a professor to spell "herd" correctly.
@Theviewerdude
@Theviewerdude Год назад
I say let it die and something else will take its place. Too far gone to save
@BigA1
@BigA1 Год назад
You're truthful comments certainly brought a smile to my face.
@nararabbit1
@nararabbit1 Год назад
as far as your point about not being able to fail students, I think that depends on your university. I haven’t had any pushback when students have failed. I’m extremely thankful we can maintain some rigor in our program.
@MadocComadrin
@MadocComadrin 9 месяцев назад
Same here. One of the things that makes it easier to fail a student (at least on the graduate level) is that people who fail generally fail spectacularly (failure to complete work, cheating, etc), so it's pretty easy to justify failing them.
@mzk1489
@mzk1489 Год назад
Remember, many scientists are in industry, not academia. Along those lines, my favorite computer professors were those who worked in industry and were teaching on the side.
@FoodFanBoy7845
@FoodFanBoy7845 Год назад
Yep, I always liked those guys. They did the job, and knew what was important.
@HellRaiZOR13
@HellRaiZOR13 Год назад
you should make a video on the biggest strike in the University of California system by their graduates, post docs, and research assistants etc for their low pay.
@meierlinksd4996
@meierlinksd4996 Год назад
Yes, that actually is a good one. Since academics seem to be so "hush hush" about various things, I wonder what Dr. Stapleton and others might really think about the staff and adjunct strike. Positive? Negative? Indifferent, since academia does not change too much over the decades?
@HellRaiZOR13
@HellRaiZOR13 Год назад
@@intercomposed1308 True
@kevyelyod1211
@kevyelyod1211 Год назад
They are striking in Ireland too, well at least there is a court case or legal appeal to hear the case of academics or postdocs getting crappy contracts from their universities.
@HellRaiZOR13
@HellRaiZOR13 Год назад
@@kevyelyod1211 woow thats great. This is why PhD studies are mostly preferred in European Countries by many people because of the robust rules, regulations and rights to the academics there.
@joggerino3284
@joggerino3284 Год назад
I always thought science is being done for the sake of science and not for payment😂. We love science. Trust the science🤥
@scicritic
@scicritic Год назад
listened only the first three, and oh my science, a'm so grateful for u saying this out loud. thank you. and respect. and i'll go watch the rest.
@Pickle-Rika
@Pickle-Rika 9 месяцев назад
Was the use of the phrase "oh my science" ironic here?
@mumblesbadly7708
@mumblesbadly7708 Год назад
That happened with one of my papers. A name of a senior member of the school I was on tenure track at as an assistant prof was added to a paper my colleage and I did all of the work on so that she could get a “publication” credit for that year.
@janesslinger2814
@janesslinger2814 Год назад
The 'can't fail students' does not apply to my homecountry Germany. It varies between states, but mostly, if you fail an exam twice, you gotta go through an oral examination where you can only pass or fail (so, you get awarded the lowest passing grade if you succeed) - if you fail that, you are out. Done with studying that program, even if you only needed that last grade to graduate. What's more, you cannot study the same program at any other public German university again.
@Afterword.
@Afterword. Год назад
Feels like the opposite extreme. Especially that last part. No opportunity to pay to have another go at the class? Ever?
@svavarkjarrval8757
@svavarkjarrval8757 Год назад
In my MA study, failing twice in a course only excluded the student from that course. In the BA study, four failures would reset all grades and the student could apply to try again with a special permission... IIRC
@janesslinger2814
@janesslinger2814 Год назад
@@Afterword. Yes, you can pay - you can start again at a private university. The scenario I mentioned is public only :)
@Paldasan
@Paldasan Год назад
Open Secret: There is a departmental hierarchy. Some is dependent on the University perhaps a department is well respected or known, other rankings seem to be more universal and these departments will always have a lot of power. If you aren't in one of those departments, your department will not cross them and your head may even be very obsequious to anyone in those departments.
@elumiomerk4013
@elumiomerk4013 Год назад
interesting, I bet geology isn't very high on that hierarchy.
@rileymcphee9429
@rileymcphee9429 9 месяцев назад
For my Political Science dissertation, my professor (the head of the department) just told jokes and screwed around all term. It was the last thing you did before you graduated and the whole class was one paper you did independently, so I didn't think anything of it. Half way through the term, he started joking about how the school only kept the major available because they were mandated to. I asked why we don't have classes on some of the programs for campaigning like we'll need to know for that work and he answered "who's gonna pay for that? 🤣🤣". It then sunk in how useless the degree was I had pursued and I realized his layed-back attitude was because he didn't have to pretend to care with us like he did for his other classes. I got a field director job after college and asked how much my degree factored into my hire and my campaign manager answered "zero". College was a total scam and complete waste of my time. I 100% regret it.
@keithboyd3579
@keithboyd3579 Год назад
Finally the truth! Thank you for your courage, keep your head on a swivel!
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