i bought my t460p that was stupid expensive, but seeing how it never had any glitch in 6 years, I’m going to buy this P1 and hope it last that long as well.
Im coming from an x1 extreme gen 2 going to a legion 7i instead, the price for the 4080 and the wattage reductions doesnt make sense to pay the premium for something slightly thinner
Legion 7i Pro RTX 4080 and X1 Extreme gen2 owner here. Definitely go with Legion if you can stomach some additional weight and thickness, the vapour chamber cooling subsystem is superb: you can set it to quiet mode and still run everything at 60 FPS+. The slimmer chassis of P1/X1 leads to either throttling or excessive fan noise.
Wow this is the laptop I'm looking for someone to review. And I'm not too surprised you made it because you have reviewed so much quality high-end laptops. This channel deserves more subscribers!
What a great all-around package for a workstation machine. That screen quality in particular I would love to see from more manufacturers like Dellienware.
I recently picked up a second-hand ThinkPad z13 (the all AMD Ryzen 7 with the 680M GPU) and for grins and giggles installed Bazzite (think SteamOS-like, but tweaked). I have been pleasantly surprised by things like VRR on the built-in display and pretty decent gaming performance for what I paid-$550. While Bazzite isn’t without its issues, the machine is pretty great for both a quick game session (basically a Steam Deck with a larger screen) and productivity in the Fedora GNOME desktop. The machine is giving me a whole new respect for the already legendary ThinkPad line!
I tested the z13 with 680m on release and I was really impressed with it! These Ryzen chips are incredible and a great price to performance ratio that we have been sorely lacking from intel for years!
Thank you mate. You are right, the pricing is crazy but as always with Lenovo you can guarantee they will do a big sale or coupon soon to bring it to a reasonable price
@@MashITTech A week after release it was priced about the same as the x1 extreme gen 5. I actually had an x1 extreme gen 5 on order at the time, I called them up, asked them to swap it for the P6 and not only did I get the P6 instead, but I got 10,000 baht off (220 Pounds, 280 USD).
Thanks - I have a previous gen X1 Extreme and wonderful tho it is, it does overheat. RTX3080 which I only got because the bundle Lenovo was offering was (relatively!) very cheap. Anyway, biggest benefit ofd this vid was showing the back removal which I had never tried, and is very easy. So, done that, dusted the interior. Here's hoping that improves the heat issue.
@@TheRockeyAllenin this case that really depends what you're doing with it. It has 90 Wh battery in it and I've been watching the power draw and it fluctuates from 7 W (cpu) with the screen awake and idle to well over 100 watts while doing intensive work. If you on low power mode and browsing typing I recon you could get 5-6 on hours out of it. With more powerful work 2 hours perhaps. I'd have to check because I usually keep it plugged in at my desks and only charge it to 80% to keep the battery helpful. I'll get back to you and do a battery test today for ya.
A few days if I've just been using it to project to a screen I'll get a full days life out of it on battery but battery life isn't a strong point of this device. It's a powerful device and drinks power when you let it.
Which software do you use to show the wattage of CPU and GPU? I'd like to find out how drastic the difference between the power profiles is on my X1 Extreme Gen 2
Thanks for the heads up on cooling vs. 2nd SSD. Did not realize the RTX 4060 substitutes vapor chamber cooling for a 2nd SSD slot. BUT I just returned an XPS 15 9530 because the keyboard gets too hot. I was tempted by the RTX 2000 with a 2nd SSD slot but no vapor chamber cooling and a warm keyboard is a deal killer for me. BTW, Lenovo gave me $500 off (on top of the Black Friday coupon) after I chatted with a rep. Sweet!
I have the P1 Gen 4 - similar issues with the quality of the keyboard and touchpad. The fingerprint issue is quite annoying, especially if you’re someone else who likes a clean unit. For the price, this is an issue that should not exist. The fan does kick in rather loud sometimes, so I got a laptop cooler to help the situation. The performance is exceptional. Graphics are fluid, sound is wonderful, speed is blazing fast. Overall, it’s a good unit. No plans to switch brands for a long time to come.
Hi! Love the review. I’ve always been a fan of Thinkpad Workstation. I’m looking to buy between the P1 Gen6 and the P16v, not sure which one to get. Also I’m in engineering what GPU should I go with RTX 4080/70/60 or an ADA 2000m? Would appreciate recommendations.
Since filming this video I have found out the ADA2000 is also using a standard heatsink like the ADA1000, this gives you an extra m.2 SSD but much worse thermals. I would recommend getting at least the 4060
Just bought a gen6 ThinkPad P1 with the RTX 2000 Ada Generation GPU, it's on sale for £1900 at Lenovo's UK web store, which is a great price. Came with the 13700H, 32 GB DDR5 RAM and 1 TB SSD, plus it has room to add a second SSD. Really pleased with it. This is not a gaming GPU, but it can run all my games at 60+ FPS on my native 2560x1600 IPS screen using high/ultra settings, with no problem. I've tried Diablo 4, Marvel's Spider-Man, Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart, Horizon Zero Dawn, Forza Horizon 5 and God of War. The Ada GPU does still support DLSS 3.0 and frame generation, as well as ray-tracing. Best of all, it's a low TDP GPU, so it helps with heat, fan noise and battery life. It's thin and light, and I can even game with it on my lap using battery power without hearing fan noise, still at 60+ FPS. I love this machine.
I saw that offer after I got the 4060 model. I personally would have chosen that too for the second SSD and it comes with the WAN card which for me is so handy :( I hate sharing my phone 4g! I was so tempted to return and reorder! BTW, could you possibly run a time spy in performance mode for me please??
@@MashITTech RU-vid won’t let me link my result URLs, but I have got a score of 8649 in TimeSpy and 17674 in FireStrike using “best performance” mode in power settings. The GPU is so new that 3DMark lists it as “Generic VGA” in their web site’s results pages, although the correct name is shown in the app’s results. Considering this is only a 65 W TDP GPU, I think those results are excellent. It’s around half the performance of my RTX 4080 mobile GPU in my Lenovo Legion 7i Pro, which is a thicker and heavier laptop, with a beefier vapour chamber. I have tried a bunch of my games and benchmarks such as Diablo 4, Spider-Man, Horizon Zero Dawn, Ratchet & Clank and Heaven 4.0 and it’s able to sustain 60 FPS, even when running on battery power, without generating loud fan noise. That’s exactly what I was hoping for. The RTX 2000 Ada does let me enable DLSS and frame generation and even ray-tracing (I use OptiX in Blender), so I’m happy with it.
That sounds amazing! oh man, I am so tempted to pick one up 🤣 I just ordered a new legion slim 7 too which could make a good productivity machine but I have a massive soft spot for thinkpads. Thanks for running the tests 👍
How are the thermal, fan noise and battery life with the RTX2000 ? Thinking of configuring with i7-13800H, 2500*1600 500 nits 165Hz, two 2TB SSD, 64 or 96GB RAM, 4G LTE wwan. Also, is the glass trackpad as good as the X1 carbon glass trackpads? It seems that mylar glass-like trackpads are not as good as the real thing.
@@wingman22 the glass trackpad on the P1 is as good as the X1 Carbon (I have a gen 10 X1C with OLED screen as well, so I was able to compare first-hand). To be honest, I have a 2023 model Legion 7i Pro as well with the Mylar trackpad, and it’s not so bad, it’s perfectly usable, although I use an external mouse most of the time since that Legion is my gaming laptop. Thermals are good on the RTX 2000 GPU, however the CPU can hit 100C and throttle under synthetic benchmarks such as Cinebench. It works okay under normal usage, though. Bear in mind I had the 13700H, I would imagine the 13800H would generate even more heat. Also keep in mind the RTX 1000 and 2000 models for P1 don’t have the beefier vapour chamber cooler with Liquid Metal TIM, whereas the models with other GPU models do, but then they lack the WWAN adapter and second M.2 slot options. That’s a trade off between better cooling and more expansion/connectivity. I’m going to send my P1 back and order another one with a vapour chamber cooler because I prefer having a stronger cooler than having WWAN or two NVMe SSDs, but this is a personal preference, it doesn’t mean the RTX 2000 model is bad. It’s certainly the best value of the current 2023 P1 line with its £1900 online sale price right now. Fan noise is inaudible in best efficiency mode, with still good performance. You will hear the fans moving air at balanced or best performance mode, but it’s not a whining fan sound, more like a pleasant whoosh of air white noise type sound.
Great first look, thank you. I'm torn between this laptop and the Razer Blade 14 still with the 4060. Since you have both, which one would you recommend?
That's really tough, I love them both. The blade 14 is more portable and better for gaming but I would say the P1 is the better all rounder if plan on working and gaming on it. I also have the non vapour chamber P1 (13700 & RTX 2000 ADA)on order as I wanted to test both vapour chamber and standard heatsink version before releasing the full review so there will be more P1 content soon
it only turned up yesterday! took ages to arrive :( started benchmarking today and it got 8300 GPU score in time spy on performance mode (card seems to be limited to 65w) I would say its about 20-25% worse than the 4060 but you get the 2 m.2 slots and a WAN card (which I actually wanted)
Hello, Excellent opinion. Can you please share the battery life performance with medium load. How many hour it could run on medium load such as web browsing. and video playing parallel.?
Wow that's incredible, I wasn't quite getting that with the 4060 version! I have the base A2000 model arriving in the next couple of days, looking forward to testing it :)
Hi, looks to be loads of differences. I actually have the gen 7 on order so if you can wait a week or so I should be able to give you the full low down. mine came with a single ram stick which limited performance, with the 2 sticks in I noticed snappier performance.
It would be really great if we could see what your review list will be(maybe as a slide at the end of the video). Your reviews are very refreshing.@@MashITTech
Does this replace the discontinued X1 Extreme? The port selections are exactly the same. If it can run MS Flight Sim in ultra settings 50+ fps then I'm happy.
yes, x1 extreme and the P1 always ran side by side but the x1 had geforce cards and the p1 had workstation cards. Now they only see the P1 but it offers both card ranges
I just ordered mine with a 13800H and a rtx 4080! I am super excited to see how the vapor chamber and liquid metal handle the thermals. I will be pleased if temps can stay below 65*C.
Can you tell us if you’re seeing thermal throttling with that cooling solution under max CPU load? I have the standard RTX Ada 2000 model which was on sale at a keen price, but mine hits 100C during synthetic CPU benchmarks like Cinebench and throttles, in performance or balanced modes. It’s fine under everyday use or in efficiency mode (which limits CPU clock turbo boost, thus reducing heat generation)
@@TheRockeyAllen battery life isn’t great, but it never is with this model. About 2-4 hours of normal use, watching movies and web surfing. I sent mine back and got the 4090 OLED model, so it eats through battery extra fast.
If you put image quality above all else yes. It will give you worse battery life and it’s only 60hz so I am happy to settle for the 1600p high refresh screen as I prefer high refresh over image quality
I haven't had a chance to catalogue them yet, but off the top of my head I have: Legion 7 2021, X17 r2, Legion pro 5i 2023, MacBook Pro 14 m1 pro, Razer Blade 17 2022, Razer Blade 15 2021 and possibly a blade 14 2021
@@MashITTech Okay, could you please tell me when you have all the detailed list so I can have a look at all of them. I am interrested in razer blade potentially and thinkpads
P1 is more premium, thinner and has better build quality, screen option, graphics options and vapour chamber. The P16v is much thicker and has fan vents at the back, it also has a keyboard with numpad
have you ever used high refresh rate screens on a computer? if you haven't and only plan to work then a 60hz is fine but I would recommend the 4k version, the stock 1200p is a little dim. If you have used high refresh screens and love the smooth feeling its hard to go back to 60hz
On the gen 5 model, RTX 2000 and below only had a heat sink (showing on there tech specs on their website). I am not seeing anywhere showing that the new gen 6 has the vapor chamber on RTX 1000 and above.
The ADA 1000 uses the heat sink and twin fan and gives access to WAN card and second SSD slot. Everything above that gets the vapour chamber. A good way to test is get the config you want and try and add a second SSD, if it doesn't let you it has the vapour chamber :)
Yes it comes with the carbon fibre which is much nicer (I had that in my x1 extreme G4 or 3) I didn't get the OLED as OLED flickering gives me terrible migraines
What are common non-gaming use cases for discrete graphics in the corporate/Enterprise world. For the most part they are the ones willing to pay for Thinkpads.
I would say the most common would be cad or 3D modelling and possibly video nle for media creation firms. Also games designers would want them for game design. Most corporates would prefer the Ada 1000/2000/4000 range though than the rtx 4000 range
Update on vapor chamber cooling. Not impressed and seriously question whether it's worth sacrificing the 2nd ssd slot, as it doesn't prevent heating up under load. After testing and returning a Dell XPS 15 9530 (sans vapor chamber) for the same reason, and extensive Googling on other 2023 laptops, I am convinced the contemporary sleek & slim laptop design is a massive failure when it comes to heat, the #1 cause of premature laptop death. Sacrifing longevity to looks is a cynical marketing ploy designed to make obsolescence and replacement the new norm.
In your experience, is there any difference from using a laptop docking station with ethernet port versus an onboard port? I understand portability differences, but I'm mainly interested in speed and stability issues between the two options
@@AshevilleVideography theoretically no. If you get cheap dongles you might get reliability issues but theoretically speaking a Gigabit internal NIC should have the same performance as a USB-C one of the same rating. The problem is with usability. I have a home lab and I do plug my laptop directly into networking equipment a lot. Needing to bring a dongle around is a pain. I can see the sacrifice being worthwhile on a consumer grade line, but IMO portability is not as important on workstation grade laptops so I'd rather trade some portability with more ports, more user replaceable parts and better thermals any day of the week.
I would be really interested in you testing to max out the RAM with 2x 48GB DDR5 5600MHZ dimms, like in the configurator. I have the new Legion 7i Slim Gen 8 with I7-13700H and RTX 4060 and would be interested in also testing the one free dimm slot with the 48GB module, that would bring me to the full 64GB DDR5 RAM with the 16GB soldered to the mainboard. But still, great review. If I would have not bought the Slim 7i for 3D rendering and graphics design, I would love to use this ThinkPad for that!
@@TheDataArchitect legion are great! heavier and bulkier than the P1 but have amazing performance and same 2560x1600 500nit 165hz screen. The keyboard is not quite as good and it has has a huge PSU's but these are really minor.
Out of context but i just bought a alienware m17 r5 rtx 3070 ti 6900hx fhd 480hz for 1200 usd,also i found a legion slim 7i with 13900h,qhd 240hz hdr 400 with rtx 4070 for 1350 usd.Should i return my alienware??
@@MashITTech the thing is,I don't know if it's worth the whole process of returning and just buying legion straight up again and wait for a month to get it delivered.The 13900h eats up a lot of battery too,not that I would be off the charger for a long time but it is still a huge plus,I don't know if the 4070 is worth it tbh considering its a 120tgp 4070 which should be equal aside the fg support.I don't do much productive work,so I don't think I would notice much difference in the CPUs.The display is def much better with the HDR support,but I'm used to fhd 27 inch monitors so,would it actually be worth all the trouble?
ngl this is a great laptop, specs and all, but i just can't see it more than anything other than a "work" laptop just because i've only ever used it as one lol
Hi can you by chance tell me what the temps are at idle? My work software uses practically no resources, like less that 1% cpu and less than 30mb of ram, but I need to have this laptop cool and silent to be used on my lap most of the day or within a few feet of me all day. Thanks
Thank you that would be amazing!! I cancelled an order a few days ago and went for an i7-1355U T14s instead because I was worried about temps on the P1 as I need this in my hands most of every day, but they emailed me this morning saying it was delayed. I would be looking to order the i7-13700H p1 with the A1000 gfx which I assumed would be even cooler than the one youre testing @@MashITTech
actually unfortunately it may not be. I am not sure if you noticed my internals section. The 4060 and above cards gives you the vapour chamber which allows much better cooling and performance of both the CPU and GPU. The a1000 version gets the old style heatsink which runs much hotter with less performance but does allow a second m.2 slot and WAN slot, sorry to be the bearer of bad news
yeah, with Optimus enabled and the power settings set to best efficiency I am pretty sure the base will remain cool. I am just heading to the office now so will check mine asap
I bought the wapor chamber model, which requires you to sacrifice the 2nd ssd slot. Wish I hadn't because the laptop still heats up under (video editing) load@MashITTech
I have an old Thinkpad T530 with an i7-3820QM and Nvidia NVS 5400M and 16GB DDR3-1600. it's still a fun and functional machine, can even play old games on it like Diablo2. pretty much all one needs for work you can do with it, unless you're a 3d-designer or need an RTX for Ai work. I prefer my Lenovo Legion though, it's got funny RGB keyboard and looks more flashy, but old stuff has its charm too. What's even the point of Thinkpads? I doubt they can take much more punishment than a Legion laptop, or does this "military grade" rating really mean something?
in all honesty, the legions even perform better due to larger more rugged thermal designs. The Thinkpad has a better keyboard and is allegedly spill proof and mil spec rated but who knows if that makes it more durable than a legion! I wish I could afford to trash them both to see which holds up better 🤣
@@stevenswall the old Thinkpad has a fingerprint reader but i dont even use it,i prefer password login. i love that Legion has most ports on backside because of less cable clutter. USB is still on either side for easy plugin of stuff quickly anyway. I like both models but I prefer Legion for sure. Thinkpad is still cool, but very expensive for less performance really.
@@p4radigm989 Cables and dongles and flash drives on the back are a damage risk when you lift the laptop. If it's primarily sitting on a desk I can see why you would want all these cables going off the back like a desktop. The preference for multiple actions and movements to put in a password vs one movement and one action is inefficient so I don't understand that preference.
@@stevenswall bro, my Legion has a USB-c and headphone/mic jack on the left, and a usb-3 port and card reader on the right. the rest is on the back, and I love it this way. if you don't like it, don't buy a Legion, but I think they're the best Laptops. Thinkpads are cool too anyway, just expensive and less for flashy.
Nice machine, quite pricey though. I have the P1 gen 4, and to be honest, am not impressed with it (because it can't screen record smoothly at 60FPS in Linux or Windows). I'll probably just go for a last gen gaming laptop this time around.
I had the X1 G4 and also wasn't impressed except for the keyboard! I found it couldn't cope with solid load and would spike temps and frequencies all over the place. I am not sure if it is because this gen 6 uses a more power efficient 4000 series card but my results have been solid with this one
ThinkPad P1 Gen 6 Intel (16″) Mobile Workstation,Intel® Core™ i9, 96 GB RAM - Black Weave - SUCK. Died down after a week. Reboots/restart, but black dark screen.
in all honesty, if you are looking for a gaming machine then you would be silly to, the G18 would be a much more capable machine. But if you are buying primarily for work then you get a much much lighter slimmer design with good ports and keyboard, WWAN support on ADA models and workstation cards which you cannot get on gaming models.
Hi I just watched your razor blade 15 video and you said there are better options for the price if your just looking for gaming. Are you able to share those options please Thank you in advanced
I love razer blades and they make great but expensive sleek laptops. But yes as I mentioned you can get better gaming performing laptops for less. The best case would be a legion 5 pro for example, you can get this years model with a 4070 and 13700hx for around 1.5k, not only does this perform better than the blade 16 whilst been over 1k cheaper it also has a great 500nit 240hz screen and better temps!
