This 30-Year-Old Terminator VFX BLEW OUR MINDS! 

Ok but when are we going to see a video of your tiktok going viral haha!!

amen

Facts

Both projects look like the person was on a conveyer belt and no up-and-down motion in Robert Patrick's step as he walked and while it's subtle, it's there.

Mhm

He trained to fire weapons without flinching or closing his eyes. Truly terrifying.

@@gjhoward Heck he caught John Conner during a shooting of the motorcycle chase scene. Where he was on foot running. He chased down a motorcycle. Plus the stare. THE STARE!!

@@Qardo I've read that! He trained to run as fast as possible and they had to shoot twice, one with his full power so it to look believable and scary and one with him running slower so he could be behind the motorcycle. This is ridiculously impressive.

The most dead fish ice stare in all movie history. Like literally watching a robot.

He really had that quiet menace look down.

Effects like that were science fiction (no pun intended) at the time.

Wish I could experience that 😂

Was it actually like people all over the country talking about it? Heck wish i would've been there lol

@@nasifshadmanchowdhury5023 people all over the world talked about it.

​@@gaboaaa23Or maybe just on Earth.

Yeah, it feels way more like these two are made of jelly rather than liquid metal.

This

I tried to understand what was the problem and figured out in exactly those words except i compared their effect to rubber, not gelatin, which is more accurate.

Yeah, to my mind the T1000 (or the metal of his body) is actively going around the bars, rather than him pushing through the bars. In the same way he makes blades and wedges out of his arms, he's just creating a moving cavity the shape of the bars as he passes through. Very cool and impressive video regardless. To be fair, it is an odd material that we don't have any intuition for. Not too many liquid metal robots out there.

Right. The T1000 doesn't go through the bars. He goes around the bars. It's a subtle distinction but the guys put a lot of effort into NOT doing it right, I think. That is, they distorted the head way more than they needed to. If they passed him through the bars with NO distortion, it would have come out better, I think.

Greetings Doc

fancy seeing you here, Simon.

Here, here! Hear here!

Yes they should

I completely agree this was awesome!

I was there, this is a true claim.

@@theobserver200 +1

Its true i was the gun

fun fact, I've seen this comment on other videos by different accounts

It’s true I was the bars

Agreed. The new shot looks too fluid and bouncy.

JP 1 too, both are extraordinary.

I remember it well, indeed unbelievably amazing. Yet I do have to add .. Didn't Cameron 'use' The Abyss for the preliminary work and for fine tuning the technique... So allowing him to proceed with T-2 which probably already was on his mind

That’s kinda how technology works, there’s a need to do something or do something easier so a technological workaround Is created

@@ppvk2610 yeah I’ve heard Mr Cameron works on multiple films at once too

That and my other obscure favorite, "Young Sherlock Holmes". The effects team said, "Dang! You know what we really need here? We need something which can take a *photo* and select and manipulate everything about it, to sort of.., you know, digitally work *shop* it. We should invent that. Can we do that?" Today, pieces of that original base code now make up an essential part of every graphic designer, digital artist and photographer's desktop the world over. (Plus it was a damn fine movie with just the sweetest love interest. ILM was legendary.)

@@interlace84 That's a cool idea, but even if somehow I could get the data off the floppy (unlikely), I suspect the data is technically owned by either Paramount Pictures or whoever inherited Cyberware's intellectual property. So it's probably not legal to share it.

That's a story that should be its own novel - one that I'd happily read and share with friends.

What a story! And I'm sure you had a hell of a life!

Awesome!

Cool. Btw, question , I'm curious (and I think many others too); The reason your husband is embarrassed is because the model is of the middle part of his body?🙃

Exactly!

I thought they were going to do it!!!! They never do!?? This is a bad video and bad channel!!!

@@thischannelisdeleted LOL, not really

Practical effects often times look better than CGI effects.

@@niles6159 You do know the original shot was cgi

@@niles6159 Bro...the original shot was CGI

That's James Cameron for you...he doesn't accept anything less than perfection... can't wait to see how he pushes the boundaries with the Avatar sequels.

@@GSP-76 can't wait to see how he pushes the boundaries with the Alita battleangel sequels.

As a Spanish person I can tell you that I will try a little bit harder. I will think of all the people around me cheering me on. While there remains one person harvesting clams at -10degrees with water up to their knees, there will be hope. And we will NEVER GIVE UP :-P

As a hungarian person, I want to thank and appreciate the whole nation of Japan for the man that is Shuzo Matsuoka.

As an American person I'm sorry

Hi (Sorry for my bad english.)

As a human person I'm proud

not like baffles TBF they did in a day, mb few, original took months

Star Wars is pretty good at that. The Mandalorian made me think a 3D character was a puppet, for example

Definitely, it would be good to hear from them. If they had what the Crew have now, they can do everything at a fraction of the time and budget... hahaha...

I think they would have done worse had they been using modern equipment! It's the limitations that allowed artists of 90s to find innovative solutions to create some out-of-this-world effects. Look at Jurassic Park 1. Newer JP movies should be ashamed!

@@brianng8350 Muren's last film as a supervisor was Super 8. He does plenty of interviews etc. I mean he started his career on the original Star Wars. Guy has seen it all. Oh and bonus: He did Ghostbusters 2, which the crew just covered in their latest video.

Its because unlike todays lazy film makers they didn't use CG for everything James Cameron and ILM only used it where they absolutely had to, in conjuction with practical effects

@@malcolmsmith333 true, but not all films are like that, most like the MCU, Transformers, Pirates of The Caribbean, Jurassic Park/World, Planet of The Apes trilogy, have some incredible CGI and those are all computer generated with little practical effects used, unless they are required like with Iron Man, etc.

All James Cameron films stood the test of time. Titanic's vfx is still amazing. Avatar's VFX is stunning. I think even in 2050s, Avatar's vfx will still be awesome. Considering that it was made in 2009. It's amazing how Cameron always push for something new to his films. No wonder why he release movies only per decade but it's always revolutionary and phenomenal

@@malcolmsmith333 yeah today's "lazy" filmmakers should go back to using black and white cameras where you roll the film by hand. That's true commitment to the art form.

It's honestly terribly sad that 30 year old cgi was far more realistic when most of what they were doing back then with cgi was all new groundbreaking stuff and they were just making educated guesses, well educated yes but still guesses and they made things so much more real

An all time favorite of mine for one reason: Guns ‘N Roses

Eh. The CGI looks very old. It’s outstanding for its time, but it doesn’t stand up to modern FX

Davy Jones from Pirates of The Caribbean is also one example of CGI that still stands in time. Such amazing examples of art

I would love to see how old vfx artists approach new technology

@@SnailHatan Well, compared to some recent movies. The movie does better CGI than them. Plus the plot is a TAD bit better....okay a whole lot better. Far better than the shit that followed. Sucks that the Terminator franchise is suck shit. So bad. They declared TWO awful movies as being "Noncanon". Even though they were supposed to be. Yet they did so poorly. Best to write them off as...uh..terrible timelines.

Yeah the straight line motion is really what bothers me in these shots

@@newgreen956 I think it happens in the original but it is cut earlier. It would be easy to fix. Just jog it down slightly.

You can see a subtle shoulder shift in the T-1000 from the og terminator shot. I mean it's a valid critique but I get that they were focusing more on the effects rather than the scene itself, if that makes sense.

this was my main criticism i think. the effects themselves were not bad but the very stiff floating movement lost it for me. obviously they did this on what i assume is a relatively short schedule, but little details like that would sell these that much more

Yeah, I didn't notice it as bad in peter's shot, but in Wren's that head definitely has a weird floaty quality to it.

Yeah the bounce back made it less good than it could've been.

@@seveneyes77 less good?... mmmkay

Could very well be a byproduct of having far more sophisticated software abd hardware tbh

@@HellfireHellesto Nah it's definitely an artist specific thing when doing the animation.

@@HellfireHellesto Nah, he specifically said in the video that he manually keyframed it all. So these guys are right. This is not a technology thing, it's an artistic "poetry" thing. He made a different artistic choice than the original did - to add "bounce" - and, well, the bounce makes it seem elasticated, rather than liquid. Perhaps, in hindsight, he could have added ripples, as that's a more "liquid" thing (indeed, on a certain level, both an elasticated "bounce" and a liquid "ripple" are fundamentally the same thing, physics-wise, but just happening at a different level of detail. Waves are bounces. But they're fine-detail high frequency bounces. Like, an instant snap-back at the molecule level, not the overall geometry level). It's not "doing it wrong", but it's about the artistic thing you want to convey. The elasticated bounce is macro-level, so it's implying - by its movement - that the material is more jello / silicone. Whereas, ripples - which, as I say, are essentially the same thing but much more "high frequency" / "fine detail", the "micro" to the elasticated bounce's "macro" - is telling the viewer that the material is more liquid / fluid. Like, in an animation, where a material is distorting and reacting to its environment, you've got to think of its viscosity, its elasticity and so forth. A "material" is more than just a texture on a mesh, when it's being animated. Like, if in the T2 lore, the T-1000 was supposed to be made of some kind of more elasticated "playdough" nano-material, rather than the stated "liquid metal", then this would actually be the more appropriate treatment. So, not "doing it wrong", per se, but selecting the wrong "poetry" for what the narrative needs. p.s. I'm re-watching it as a I comment here and, really, if he'd toned it down a bit - more subtle - and made it higher frequency, I reckon that would have made it so much better. And, in fairness, if he were working on the original T2, the director would have said "can you redo it like that?" and he would have, and that's what we would have seen. Like, this is the "first draft" version. If these guys redid it, then they'd combine their techniques and do it much better, from what they learnt experimenting here.

I wish I got to this comemment earlier.

That should not be a difficult addition though. Basically some added up and down movement.

@randomguy8196 yah but for something like these pros are given like a week to do this, these guys cannot as they have to churn out multiple videos on yt as well as their premium shows on their website. IMHO chi artists are just bound cause of time.

@randomguy8196 Still need that slight swaying motion to sell it better

​@randomguy8196 - what if you divided the model into lateral slices, each with their own lattice box, and deformed each of them in sequence? (I'm not very experienced with 3D, so I could be talking hogwash, but just a thought.)

I just wish the subsequent movies held up. they never did.

@@AC3handle in my opinion t3 was great and it marked the end of the good terminator movies

@@Luka2000_ T3 was kind of an odd mess. It worked, but...not terribly well. Still, it tried to maintain continuity, which was good. the Sarah Conner tv series was fantastic, and to this day I'm pissed was never fully finished. I blame Fox execs for that. Mind you, it was also a major victim of the Writer's strike.

true!

@@AC3handle The Sarah Conner chronicles was the true sequel to t2, T3 was a mediocre mess with awful casting.

Lol

And also peter uses Blender

I read this right when it happened

No shit

Wow that's almost exactly what they said in the video lol

Of course, if you really think about it, the T-1000 would certainly have naturally positioned the gun as he was going through the bars so that it wouldn't get caught up. It wouldn't have taken him by surprise. But the VFX guys knew it was an important little detail for the sake of verisimilitude, and the fact that I never thought that far into it until just now attests to its genius.

Because it had a good storyline and showed how even a machine can be turned to good if tried

I'm not even a Blender person but that made sense to me. Sounds very much like Zbrush speak, "import mesh, Zremesher, cleanup, retopo, then use Decimation Master."

Wow, thanks! I was thinking about doing the new sketchfab scanning challenge for practice, but high poly count meshes are just a nightmare to work with. I'll give this a go 👍

@nancekievill- Looks like you have to do a tutorial! 😉😃

@Ba Doai nah

no, they just sucks xdd

@@tr3buh they did it in one day.

@@LineOfThy ok so they doesn't care about quality

He looks extra douche because he does it two times thinking it's funny.

Comedian

I just remember him because his younger brother is the lead singer of Filter

@@Kanovskiy hey funny guy

@@Giyga fkin' kids I swear...wtf is filter? nvm I don't really care.

To be fair they only spent a couple days on it and the original team spent months, but the original will always be a masterpiece.

@@cenciende9401 they also made a software from scratch just for that shot

@@cenciende9401 Its also 30 years later. It shouldve took corridor about 1 second to finish the shot, but it didnt.

​@@jonnyj. huh?? that's not how it works lmao like, "it took 150 years to build St. Peter's basilica, so people nowadays should be building houses in 15 hours"

a legendary comment indeed

leokim you are interested in the same music and editing as me and i watched you when i was a kid??

Its always nice you see you pop up in comment sections

When the CG artists had balls.

John Knoll. He photoshopped the ball in later, during post. :D /s he and his brother WROTE photoshop in 1987. :D

lmao

a letter to my grandchildren: actually, we don't have this technology yet. The letter above was a joke. Humans cannot melt through bars.

This is the latest troll ever

I melted when I red this

So true

it looks terrible tbh but i get it. they did this for a youtube video so they didnt want to waste too much time

Just wasted our time instead 🙄

@@ericorenato88 Yes but it just shows you that despite the 30 years of technical progress you still can't make that amazing shot in a reasonable amount of time. It's actually lightyears away from the original. Even though the original movie FX had obvious things missing it still looks better than some of the more recent CGI. It's something about the way it blends with the whole scene.

@@lucasoheyze4597 cry me a river

@@AfroNinja720 I would, if I was upset. But I'm not.

Don't worry, we managed.

Back then, we wrote software to solve a problem. Now, we try and hack off-the-shelf-solutions to solve the problem. There's a lot to be said for low(er)-tech solutions.

I mean my laptop is about as powerful as one of their computers

@@lollingrock Yep. That's why we used to care about code quality and efficiency. And your laptop is several orders of magnitude more powerful than anything available 30 years ago. So is your phone.

Making music on a late 90s Roland Groovebox was such a downer compared with tech now.

yess, even the Star Trek things

@@nicerdycer7872 How to make anything feel real if scripts are done in a day or by a board of social climbers.

Even the Terminator Genysis version of it looks... wrong to me. This old as hell effect still holds up beyond 2020-level liquid-metal effects imo.

You mean Patrick Stewart 😂

Thought his opening acting job was pretty true to Patrick’s performance

That's because he looks 19 😆

True, he's too wholesome

@@nikhilgovula2646 thats SIR Patrick Stewart for you!

I have to say it bummed me out when they pointed out how long T2 has been around. I remember being fifteen and seeing it on opening day. I did show it to my son who is 11 and he was as blown away by it as I was. Though I think it was the story and characters that got him because the VFX are comparatively tame compared to what we have today.

Well, as a 00s kid I’m happy I got another reminder to watch it from this channel, which I’ll definitely be doing! That and a bunch of 80s movies I’ve missed out on. I think the gap is partly because a lot of these films had particularly scary or gory scenes and by the time I got to the age where I could see them, it might be assumed that I’d have found them on my own, like you said - impossible to miss. But somehow, I missed it, even with gen x parents who are huge sci-fi fans. I still need to watch Alien, Terminator, all the classics. Any other recs would be appreciated :)

@@harrisondorn7091 It's one of my all time favorites. One of the best action sci-fi films out there. I'm always curious through, how much there just nostalgia and how it really objectively (if theres such a thing for movies) stands the test of time. If youre looking for good old scifi, then Aliens is also a must see. Made in 86' but honestly looks like something from the mid 90's and totally hold up today. Alien (the first one) is kinda dated imo but not bad for something from the 70's

what if he doesn't want to pay respects?

Haha!! Good point! I didn’t think of that. That would indeed fix a problem I had off camera. The exact problem you mention.

@@SirWrender wait how are you not verified yet

Ha +1 recognised the draw was spot on.

My guy 😂

Some say the director still has nightmares from witnessing it first hand.

Wait, so he improvised by liquifiying himself on the spot? How did this improvising go down exactly?

@@Cassius-it7wf r/whoosh

@@Cassius-it7wf Bruh. 😂 Woosh 😂 He is making a joke 😅

We're fucked.

@@the1observer Amen lol

@xno fox True! Must be frustrating for Skynet to fight a mass produced human being :D

But WHICH Peter?

At the rate of his VFX improving so rapidly I would believe this.

um no , again t2 came out in 1991. 3dmax was made in 88 or 89. this whole video seems nothing but a propaganda piece to discredit 3dsmax. truth of the matter 3ds max went on to power both industries while what ever software they worked with in this movie went into obscurity after this movie was made. many of the techs they are claiming these fx artist from this movie invented is just false , 3ds max did uv maps back in 89 a good two years before this film.

@@DenverStarkey Close, but not quite. 3ds Max ver 1.0 was released in 1996. The earlier MS-DOS versions, called 3dStudio were started in 1990. Those early versions, while impressive, did not contain many of the advancements that these filmmakers pioneered. Not saying the software wasn't amazing--(I actually used a copy of ver 2 back then that was on 8 floppy disks!). Not sure how you see this video as a propaganda piece against a particular piece of software.

@@jco7551 yes ok sure , but 3dstudio (what became 3ds max) still had UV mapping. saying that these guys on T2 invented UV-mapping is just patently false. i was talking about UV mapping specifically not all the other special effects.

@@DenverStarkey I understand what you're saying. Ed Catmull invented texture mapping in 1974. Considering he became the VP of Industrial Light & Magic in 1979, it's not exactly a stretch. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Catmull

September 3 1991

Mixed emotions

I know exactly what you mean I also thought there was missing some up and down movement from him walking

I don't think it's negative, its the first thing I noticed and if looking to improve its something they could consider.

When he says "I'm not as pretty as Sir Patrick Stewart" while they display Robert Patrick, you take two shots in a rapid succession.

Honestly, I do this too all the time, call Robert Patrick Patrick Stewart. I do catch myself doing it and fix it right afterwards but it is still annoying.

I was so afraid I wasn't the only one who caught this🤣

@@MaaZeus That's a little weird that you talk about Patrick Stewart and Robert Patrick all the time :)

Drink a shot for every time Wren says "literally". Now that's a drinking game! Edit: 13:25

@Russell White I mean, not everyone gets around to it. I saw it for the first time only a year ago or so.

I bet that heathen has never seen Big Trouble In Little China, Robocop, or Demolition Man either.

First movie for me to watch twice in the original cinema release.

@@syweb2 i only saw it after i finished Terminator 3 lol

The T1000 doesn't really need to walk. When it's shaped like a human, walking or running are the fastest way to move. In this shot, it's just oozing through the bars, and the human geometry doesn't matter.

Yeah, I think they must have resigned themselves to that at the start.

Yup

It's just like sliding throught the gate like slime

I totally agree! The very stable motion is uncanny. However, I did track it exactly to my real walk. You can see the glide too in Peter’s shot is more flat after the model is fully through the bars and gliding away. In hindsight I really wish I could’ve done a V2 of this shot since I learned so much doing it the first time. A simple start-over from scratch using what I learned to inform how to do it again but better

yup... definitely

I mean it's just a youtube video They just need more time etc... They could get closer and make evrn better than what they currently did

Definitely!!! Considering how barebones the T2 vfx were, they still hold up REALLY well today!! It was very fun to investigate them.

@@lag00n54 This is exactly what I was thinking. With a bigger time budget I'm sure the guys could knock out a scene that would probably be significantly better than the original, despite the original having its rightfully deserved legendary status

@@nuru666 The point being the original should deserve so much more credit. They had to BUILD the software they used, no one would even think about doing that these days.

Bullet time itself was not the big thing, it's use with the 3D backgrounds and interpolation was. However T2 and Jurassic Park are always considered as pioneers in CGI. Matrix is not in the same league although that effect was copied for a good decade after that

totally agree

Why can't they both be lauded as bigger achievements?

My two favourite films

The effects in T2 hold up really well, even today.

In their defense, they did address that towards the end when Peter admits he has no clue how they accomplished that aspect of the shot and Wren hypothesizes that the software ILM used was made specifically for that shot while the software Corridor used to recreate it are more "general purpose" tools that don't have that particular effect built in. Or in other words, Corridor were using a Phillips screwdriver to tighten a screw that needed a custom built hex wrench.

@@Dargonhuman and they've done this in one day. Pretty impressive if you ask me.

@@Dargonhuman Yea the reforming bit is difficult.. You're not deforming the mesh at that point.. you're fundamentally changing it.. Like with zbrushs dynamesh except it needs to have a consistent texture.. Pretty crazy.

I think that's actually an stylistic decision by them, since they were going for that jelly feel, as you can see when they guy praises the other guy (don't know their names, sorry) for adding ripples to the animation

Hmm

yeah, hahaha. Noticed that as well. No one can be as nor more handsome than Sir P. S.

Nor Robert Patrick either.

@@GeryonM lol

Debatable

Say "Hi" to Dennis: I worship him !

Wholesome comment I love to see on RU-vid.

I just commented it would be cool for the original "grandfathers" to react to this work.

i smell cap

Wow, Dennis is one of my heroes. Cheers to your extended family!

different shots, they didn't walk so that's part of the issue

They also did a lot of wrapping a microphone in a condom and dipping that in a tub of yoghurt, for all the ''liquidy'' stuff.

whoaaaaaa really???? If that's true that's a REALLY cool fun fact!

That's fuckin cool! I remember seeing this at the movies when I was only 9 lol my best friends mom took us, knowing full well exactly what type of movie she was bringing us to and she was fine with it. Linda, I know you're still out there, you were the coolest of the cool moms.

Sound guys have a lot of fun. Some old audio design classmates of mine bought a bunch of vegetables, filled a whole chicken with walnuts, and recorded all sorts of weird stuff to save to their library.

@@TLGProduktions A chicken... full of walnuts? I'm going to need a few minutes to stop laughing at that mental audio you just provided. Thanks for the ab workout XD

I was about to write this same comment haha.

I don't think anyone wondered why. Ever.

@@randomuser942464 I suppose you have a way to prove that eh?

I mean, has James Cameron ever made a movie without an astronomical budget and some kind of groundbreaking CGI for the time? It's sort of a pattern with him, anyway. Then he makes the box office his bitch once again and literally goes off to explore the bottom of the ocean. O_O

@@0v_x0 The first Terminator was relatively low-budget and sparingly using CGI, and it still rocked. James Cameron is versatile it seems.

@@jakubrejak1114 If you think T1 holds a candle to T2 (in terms of vfx) then I don't know what is wrong with your eyes... And if you thought that creating some of the first CG characters was cheap then your brain done broke also.