This and That: 2023 World Championships Ice Dance Recap w/ Renee Roca (Chock and Bates) 

Yes! Really enjoyed her!!!❤

Same! I would love to see Renee return!!!

Our pleasure!

1000% agree.

You are so welcome!

I haven't slept much these past few days trying to watch everything

FB/S don't have great skating skills at all, just like the Brits and Gilles Porier.. Honestly they should be a full point behind Guignard/Fabbri, or Chock Bates, and also the Czechs If G/F score 9,5 in skating skills, the Brits and the Canadians shouldn't get more than an 8,5 with fair judging

@Марина Россия3 if you think the Canadians have better skating skills than the Italian and Chock Bates, you simply have no idea what skating skills are loll The Canadians and the Brits have the worst skating skills of the top 6 by far

Hate is a very strong word…

Even if you lowered PCS by .5 across the board for Chock and Bates, they still won by several points…because the fall wasn’t on an element! Why don’t people get this?

@@maryschreck2557 I hear you but C and B should NOT have had these ridiculous score fall or no fall. They are not PC. They are not DW They are not VM. They are not even Navka / Kostamarov. This is like, excuse the expression a few of the Italian teams who have won world titles (irony for our second place team) or D/S from france - good teams but not great. Honestly Hubbell and Donahoe were better than C and B but they just gave up/retired sooner. Yes, the scores were inflated especially for CB but i feel for the real programs of coincidentally the two Canadian teams and the Finnis teams. F/G from Brit and C B and the italians were overscored. Fear and Gibson should in now way been ahead of the Danadians.

Overall, the top level teams were over-scored. I do not have a problem with C/B winning but there is no way the scores should have been World Records, especially with a fall. Their skills are not P/C level. I agree that the Canadanes should have scored higher than the British and I enjoy both teams equally.

@@skaterboy-cz9wj But the other skaters are not P and C, etc., either.

@@skaterboy-cz9wj Agree totally.

I guess it is just me but I think the Italians don't have great posture. Maybe because she is slightly taller it seems like she does not stand up so straight

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Except we have been 2 separate countries for 3 decades lol

I agree. I'm disappointed that there's this much under the table stuff going on with IAM. I love their Lovers From Outerspace skate, but the Fire and Air free dance was still great. The music killed it for me. Lots of inflated scores. I agree with Renee that it was absurd that so many had a season's best or personal best or like Chock and Bates getting a World Record. They've worked so hard, especially this season, and I feel like they deserved the wins at 4CCs, Worlds, and WTTFigure. I thought the RD score was a bit too much, but I enjoyed their RD more this year than last season's RD.

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It was a CRIME that Dupayage and Nabais didn't get through to the Free Skate. They were so much better than at least 3 of the teams placed above them. Another very strange thing about the scoring in this competition.

as much as I like Lilah and Lewis, they always looks a little less refined and even a little bit sloppy

@@kelly9876 Yes, agree. I like them but they seem so obviously overscored that it makes it hard for me to support them sometimes.

They recently split (rather badly) so would be interesting to know if there are any other senior russian pairs to keep an eye on.

Prince’s music was extremely famous and is remembered more widely than David Bowie. He was a bigger artist.

Is this based on some kind of scientific study, or an opinion you pulled out of your ass? David Bowie was and is iconic, I’m not sure where you got the idea he’s not widely recognizable. However, I’m not sure that’s his most iconic song, at least not to younger generations. It also depends on where you come from, ask a Brit who’s more iconic, Bowie or Prince. Let’s Dance was everywhere in the 80s, but it may not be as memorable as the Prince tracks Virtue/Moir used for their RD if you’re not GenX. But if you’re talking cultural impact, Bowie was huge, sorry. I’m not the biggest fan of Let’s Dance, and I was unsure about it early in the season. However, they really improved that dance and their performance of it. I’m not the biggest fan of the Latin theme because you see the same songs repeated a lot, and after like twenty Latin RDs that were often pretty generic my eyes were glazing over I ended up enjoying C/B a lot more than I expected. At least it was different.

​@@TheSkatingLesson I think it's rather subjective as they were both prominent artists in their respective genres. Depends on a kind of music you listen to who is greater 🤷🏼‍♀️ I enjoyed the video by the way ☺️

@@TheSkatingLesson it also prob depends on what country you are from, bowie is more legendary in western Europe and prob has more notoriety etc familiarity here than in USA ?😊

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I thought that was great!

They do a different type of FD every season. They are a very versatile team.

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You may not agree with her, but "this guest" is a 3 time US dance champion. Put some respect on her name!

What are the reasons?

​@@etherealtb6021 She's fire and he's wind. As the music builds, the air helps fuel the fire. Then when they really pick up, his wind is too much and eventually extinguishes her.

💯- it was like a gorgeous film noir on ice.

I loved that, too, all season one of my favorites.

It’s my absolute favourite fd this season! I was transcendent by their performance at worlds, the dance holds and foxtrot were like little diamonds for me

Yeah, their lift at the beginning with the toe points to the music and then the slow descent was just *chef's kiss*, probably my favorite lift of the season.

Paid the price?!? They were at least 3 placements to high...

Paid a price? How??

I unfortunately don't think they're versatile enough to do anything different. The line (hers) is just not there.

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@@TheSkatingLesson Been asking myself all season: is Tanith or Charlie calling the shots over Greg with the teams? I feel like it’s Charlie bc Tanith has correct commentary verbiage and Charlie gives me a high-brow-of-Evan-Bates-kinda-vibe and is ignorant to artistic program choices. I could be wrong.

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Absolutely agree. Italians should have been 4th or 5th.

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They should have been fourth - not fifth behind British who were very overscored. But FB\S were not going to make podium ahead of G/P.

Completely agree. Music/costumes/choreography also matter and the gold/bronze medalists were far from the mark. Just weren’t connecting at all… both felt very forced and staged.

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I’m sending you good karma

Piper and Paul lift at the climax of Evita was so small.

Paul Porier has no facial expression. It’s so dull.

Six judges and a comptroller for one team probably deserves a time stamp 🥴

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Totally agree!

The teams are junior worlds are more evenly matched/stronger.

Just because you don’t understand the scoring system doesn’t mean they didn’t win legitimately. Even if the judges had lowered PCS across the board, they still won. Because the fall wasn’t on an element. It’s not about your feelings. It’s about the numbers.

@@maryschreck2557 exactly. Do you know how many single skaters and pair teams have fallen and still won world titles? And those were on elements!

I agree. I loved the pattern too because I loved seeing who could actually make it look like an asset to the program (I'm looking at you Papadakis and Cizeron) rather than just a requirement.

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other unconventional 80s music choices: Sonic Youth, the musical Chess, the theme song from the Golden Girls, Joan Rivers' comedy album

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@@kemmes7997 😂😂😂❤❤❤ such variety too!

Touché.

Canada was dumped. HOw could they get bronze with Psquared were disrespected and treated unfairl. Chock and Bates started shakey in the RD and still got amazing scores. Fall in FD give them PC/VM scores. They Chock and Bates did the best with what they had but they literaly tried to write a story after the program had been built Trying to make it relevant. Trying to make it an art when it really was trying to sell a program that was not really art.

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Seriously. She could do ice dance commentary on a national network. She has all the knowledge and she’s a natural.

Very interesting!

Valeriy is man, Vasilisa is woman 😁

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Canadanes were my favorites, such an elegant program all around and always interesting

I agree this year but nothing to do with their nationality - just how they skated this year. I would say give Italians top tech but about 6th or 7th for pcs choreo. I guess you can give them 3rd or 4th for skating skills. But the Danadians and P squared really skated cleanly and great programs - choreo/performance.

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It wasn’t disruptive enough for them to lose, though. It didn’t happen on an element. No TES lost.

I thought G/F RD was the best they had done this season. She was giving us the sexy and he was giving us the macho. I also appreciate their trying something different than usual in the FD.

@@maryschreck2557 I think that's the point. You can give the proper scoring per the rules and not "cheat" to have your fav win.

@Марина Россия3 😂Russians leaders like Khudaiberdieva and Bazin

@@kamunurkamunur3468 no, la nueva generación...

Please explain how you would have “penalized at a higher amount.” With numbers. Because guess what, even if you had lowered their PCS across the board, they still won. It’s not about your feelings, it’s about the math.

She is a purist.

​@@TheSkatingLesson many thanks for uploading this video so quickly

I agree with her assessment that they seem slow when compared to the couples ahead of them. I wondered what she thought of their Evita FD.

Agreewith the fact the Renee is a true purist however she was ready to pick apart Piper and Paul. The did use the the entire rink and their program was the winning the grand prix. I have watched Renee Roca and she was a great skater. However I thought she really favored chock and Bates.if they recieved atruer rythym dance score as I felt their Free and rythym dance should not have been soo many points over everyone else. Both programs were so abstract and to me both had no real storyline. Sorry again, but I feel that having no canadian or American judges were on the panel. Scott and Tessa won 2 Olympic gold medals with both programs. The judges did not like the Carmen program therefore they really disliked the Carmen program throughout the season was seen as too dark and too gory at the end. But they came back and won the following year at the Olympics with Moulin Rouge.but piperand Paul have been overlooked when Scott and Tessa were skating even before that. I loved their last 2 years of skating with bronze medals won instead of a higher level. I truly believe ice dance has been too political for the past 10 years in my opinion. That's what least watching this total event caused so many people to agree that no Canadian or American judges on the panel. Truly upset about this!!!!!😢😢😢😢😢😮😮😮😮😮😮

Piper and Paul should have won.

Ha oh please god no

@@My-hat Yeah maybe I shouldn't have put that one out into the universe lol

@@BethH992 🤣. Or a cats medley !

Oh hells no.

I feel they deserve to have been discussed more positively. I loved both their programmes - great lifts and choreo work in the Faithless programme - totally captured the 90s clubbing feel.

I’m with you; they came alive for me this year and I loved the program and their commitment to it. Maybe because I was once a club kid 😂.

@@jonathanokeefe9783 Agree. I love their vibe and I don't get the negativity. I guess it's just different musical taste?

@@Rachel-rs7jn What was jarring to me was that the criticism of Green & Parsons was that they went from doing an individual, progressive programme the year before to a 'traditional' programme this year. In the next breath, the Lithuanians are criticised precisely for daring to do an individual programme. I think that the massively positive crowd reaction to their programme at all the events I saw them perform the "Insomnia' Free dance is evidence that most people 'got' what they were doing and liked it.

@@jonathanokeefe9783 Thank you, that's an excellent point!

I'm so relieved that Canada will get 3 teams next year and LaLa will be back!

No way would Fournier/Sorensen win the whole thing. Robbed of a gold medal is a joke!!!!

Sometimes Canadians are indistinguishable from russians. They also believe that when they are not the first, they are judged badly and the results are dishonest. It's funny how the Canadians forgot how their champions were put in first place despite the fall of a partner on a double twizzle in the final of the CiSt.