This changes EVERYTHING... I am *NOT* kidding! 

Pretty soon the FAA is going to try to regulate Flight Simulator 2020. 😂

I've been flying model airplanes for 40 years. I'll start installing RID in my models about 20 minutes after the heat death of the universe occurs.

As usual, the real criminal element won't be bothered at all about this. It will just burden normal, responsible hobbyists.

Easy solution is for every hobby shop to put a big sticker on every retail box which states "for display purposes only, Not to be used for rc flight". Now we will be buying display models and what we do with the model after we take it from the hobby shop is our business.

My response to over-regulatory nonsense is “F*** em!” I’ll continue to do what I’ve been responsibly doing for the last forty years. There are some people who WILL be discouraged by this nonsense and that’s a shame. There are some laws that are so idiotic that we have a DUTY to ignore/refuse to comply with etc. THE GOVERNING BODIES WORK FOR US (the people) 😎

What we are going to do? Fly on and ignore stupid rules of course!

Regarding the BNF/PNP allowances in Remote ID, see page 43 of the Remote ID Final Ruling "This rule removes the major portion requirement; the definition now includes any unmanned aircraft that an individual built solely for education or recreation. This definition would include any level of assembly of the unmanned aircraft so long as that assembly was done solely for education or recreation of the individual building the UAS." As it goes on to explain the built in requirement now only applies to a 'complete kit' which is explained on page 228 "Unmanned aircraft kits that are produced without key components of the unmanned aircraft, such as the engine or electric motor, flight control servos, or RF receiver, are not considered complete kits and the producers of these partial kits are not subject to the production requirements in subpart F."

Even after Amazon and Google found out that the Airspace they bullied the hobbyists out of, was no use to them, this is still going ahead..............

So you need to register if your drone weighs 250g or more, but not if you created a swarm of drones that weighs less than 250g each... Yup, makes perfect sense.

good thing the RC hobby is becoming increasingly dominated by DIY 3D printed, DIY foamies, and many are rediscovering balsa models. And you can make receivers from Arduinos. Just make your own and skip the gov regs.

The AMA repositioned themselves as a commercial drone insurance provider

"No one can build and ship the remote id in 6 weeks" The cynic in me thinks there is already a company driving this policy ready to sell their proprietary system.

I work at a hobby shop, Horizon Hobby isnt doing anything for this, as far as we have seen. The reason nobody is concerned is because it is completely unenforceable, any local FAA guys don't care, they have bigger fish to fry. We also know some ATC guys, they have told us that they are worried about overloading of their systems.

Thank You for posting another video. It has been a while, and I look forward to watching this a bit later... _John_

This is breaking my heart , why , why can’t we just be happy for once …😭

I have been a stoner 53 years. Not a rule follower, but sensibly responsible

Everything is either being banned or regulated out of existence this is just the start and will lead to a completely dystopian world and in my view it’s well on its way.

the home built regs for drones are under title 14 part 89.1 ... although it still says "built solely for education or recreation." And as far as sub 250 you still have to have RID on it for 107 ops.

Here’s the simple truth as I see it. Model aircraft, especially those used to bring one enjoyment and camaraderie through participation in the hobby, are our inalienable right to operate without draconian restriction under the “pursuit of happiness” clause from the Declaration of Independence. Not to put too fine a point on it but if our government is large enough to involve itself to this degree in the People’s personal and private lives, that government needs put in its place. I, for one, shall not comply.

Pretty interesting my friend. Knew nothing about this. I really wonder how this will work. Thanks for posting this video and big salute from Slovenia, Pilot Robert

According to US regulators, recreational drones are more of a threat, than assault rifles.

I’ll keep right on flying. I could care less about these ridiculous laws.

It's nice to revisit the sites that said "there isn't even specifications out so how can the manufacturers make Remote ID even possible in 6 weeks." And there were a lot of them. I said that multi-million dollar companies KNOW what the specs are, even if not published. Low and behold, on September 16, 2022, DJI published their drones that were now Remote ID capable. Wow, how did they design, manufacture, test and produce in just 6 weeks with no FAA specs? Must have been a miracle from the drone gods.

I heard the Ardupilot devs talking about this in one of their conference presentations. Apparently the FAA went against all sensible advise they were receiving from industry experts and simply dug their heels in. My feeling is GA is seriously threatened by the extraordinary developments in aerial robotics particularly the massive Open Source community. Big aviation companies can’t compete with a global, free work force. So the FAA will just regulate us out of existence to protect their own. Also I believe we are heading for global conflict…

Drone technology in civilian hands, scares the crap out of them. The surveillance state does not want people to have the ability to surveil them

The rule for flying with remote ID goes into effect September 2023. The rule for manufacturing with remote id included goes into effect September 2022, but models made prior to 9/22 can still be shipped and sold. If thousands of units have been made before 9/22, thousands can still be sold in the weeks or months to come. The shelves won't be empty just yet.

What are the penalties for non-compliance? What would be the consequences if everybody ignored the remote id?

In Canada to keep your pilot certificate over two years you have to complete knowledge maintenance activities that TC never provided.

You have to remember, the AMA is just a group of the Good Ole Boyz and has been since the Dave Brown days. It hasn't really done a thing to promote the hobby in years as we only have Muncie as the site for the AMA Nationals. Before Dave Brown and clowns it was rotated around the country. I believe this is the biggest cause of our dwindling hobby. So much for my soap opera. Have a great day.

Let's build balsa airplanes from kits like we used to do.

I'm sure the FAA's ultimate goal is to drive the hobby out of existence. It's a nuisance they'd like to see go away. I started losing interest in RC flying when the government got involved requiring licenses and such. Been out of the hobby for several years now but I still have an occasional interest in what's going on.

Bruce, note the magic number used to 254. In grams it applied to unmanned flying (now 250) and in lbs it applies to EAA part 103 aircraft which must be manned. There is a lot in common with part 103 rules (aircraft under 254lbs) and the rules for more than 250 grams as stated by you but the difference is that the 254lbs plus weight of pilot does not even need a radio or transponder. Like the bankers suggesting we are all issued with carbon footprint credits that the poor can sell to the rich the question is WHY? Because it would give bankers business of course.

So, we go back to the way we did it in the old days. Scratch build them. That way we put what we want on them. I never thought I would see my beloved Hobby forced to be used as a tool of rebellion. Life does play some strange tricks. Our rulers are letting their fear of the people show.

Remote ID on guns! Let's see how fast a certain group of people will go bonkers within 0.2 seconds!

This is a big reason why I didn't renew my AMA membership this year...they didn't fight hard enough for us hobbyists. Fortunately all my new planes are going to be 3d printed by myself so I don't have to worry about this.

A thought: most RC aircraft components can also be used for RC cars or other applications outside FAA regulation. Even inertial navigation modules I've spotted in the form of microcontroller modules. Parts will be available for the DIY builder. But this will greatly damage the prebuilt and "law" respecting portion of the hobby.

Interesting and timely post, as I have recently been wondering what is going on with RID. The 9/22 date is upon us and I've seen virtually no products on the market that will meet the RID requirements as I understand them (at least for fixed wing). The 9/23 date is barely a year away and I've seen nothing available (in the form of an RID module) that will meet those requirements either. I'll contrast this to what went on in the USA in the mid/late 1980s when most of the RC channels were being re-assigned and narrow banded. Products were out years ahead of when the changes were going to take affect in 1991. I distinctly remember buying a radio in 1988 that met the 1991 frequency requirements (yes I'm old, but still use that TX to this day). Unfortunately, I see this as a hobby killer for the buy and fly crowd... either fixed wing or quad. For kit and scratch builders things will be somewhat better given that segment's DIY nature... but for how long. In the USA the response to all this from the AMA has been pathetic. I used to be a member for years and years... however, I currently am not, as I no longer see the point. ...and does anyone understand what the official definition of a FRIA is (FAA-Recognized Identification Area). I've looked for an official description, but have found none. I see a train wreck coming.

On Horizons page under FAA new rules that was published in 2021, they say they are engineering a simple and cost effective way to add RID to their planes so hopefully they will continue to sell them and add remote ID rather than discontinuing.

Thank you for pointing this out!

This reminds me, I need to put a more powerful VTX in my quad and make sure it’s larger and heavier.

My stomach just did a flip when you said "just 6 weeks from now". 😭 I dug around as deep as possible to see if we could do something in ExpressLRS, but I found exactly what you've said in the literally 2 documents the FAA has available so far. The UAV will transmit these specific things... somehow... to something...

There is one big loophole.... If someone, wearing a tea towel, wants to carry a bomb and drop it somewhere sensitive...no rules are going to stop it.

Read more about the Remote ID requirements here: www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/remote_id/drone_pilots. Also the Standard Specification for Remote ID and Tracking is here www.astm.org/f3411-22.html

You're right. This is a cluster f*ck! For now, I fly a 520g F11 drone from Ruko. I have a little more than a year to keep flying it, without any problems. I will check Amazon to see if they are telling buyers anything about the upcoming rules.

I can see sub 250 eventually getting hit as well, bad news Bruce 😬🤔

My question is, how can they enforce a law that is impossible to comply with? At this point it's akin to passing a law that requires morticians to revive the dead to get their permission to prepare them for their funeral.....

FWIW - weight constraint (

I'm a bit confused: how can DJI say they're all good (because they can implement it in software) while the RFC / format of remote ID is not even available yet?? (I don't know anything about RC so excuse me for any mistakes above)

So we lost some how tracking a 10 year old on private property is now constitutional USA. I wont be using these on my private land. IF the FAA wants to fight sure come at me bro! 😂 I totally respect this tech use in a commercial setting but forcing children on private property to broadcast their location is my issue and clearly unconstitutional.

eh.. drones have plateaued anyway so I'll just keep the ones I have left and change out the HD system if a better one comes about.

Man, talk about "Big Bother watching all of us, 24/7!"

My question is how are they going to enforce it or prove you have it

I’ll be okay as I’m old and Adams foam board is easy to get, I just hate it for the future.

cheers Bruce 👍

So will we be able to buy parts and build them. then register for remote id if i was to fly a drone over 250 grams.

Keep up the good work Bruce ! Love your channel! Hopefully some how common sense from the regulators will prevail and save this hobby??!

How about the extra weight it adds to the model as well as the extra draw on the battery?

thank you for this info friend

Unfortunately you're 100% correct, Bruce. 😕 Let's see what happens... Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

The founding fathers unfortunately didn't know about RC planes, otherwise they would've protected that freedom too from government overreach.

Shall not comply.

Was just on the faa website and it's literally headspinning. They claim there's an exemption for "recreational flying" BUT, if you read the statutes, it still requires registration, which in the end, still requires remote id. Even better, their own (FAA) website, has a convenient "link" to the exact specs of remote ID, which of course is conveniently BROKEN. All I can read is the part that explicitly states that you are exempt for recreational flying. Period, end of story. Stop reading or you're in trouble 😂. Posted Monday, July tenth, 2023.

Thanks Bruce for this update. I didn't know this was coming so soon, and I am a AMA club president. This is all crazy. I guess I will have to become an outlaw.

I don't think anybody is gonna care about remote id. Maybe in city limits. I think it's something else they won't have the manpower to enforce. I'm still waiting on the knock at the door for not having a ham license.

I'm just going to ignore this TBH. I think manufacturers will too. The question is will this actually be enforced? Perhaps this is bad news for companies like Horizon Hobby, they might get a letter, but I'm not sure the smaller shops will. I definitely don't forsee a time when local law enforcement will notice you aren't compliant with remote ID and issue you a ticket. But if compliance is absolutely necessary I think that you will be able to install a phone app for groundstation compliance and expressLRS seems to be working on natively supporting the aircraft compliance, which would be able to transmit aircraft position from the plane and also from the groundstation. All without added weight or expense. Except for a 10 dollar 5 gram GPS module I suppose. Anyways, I'm not too doom and gloom about all this.

hi I was involved into a drone defence system. I then flew a Ranger 2000 with Dragon Link. To my surprise my Futaba TX who was transmitting on 2.4G got caught by the defence system and we could see the typ of RC I used (Futaba). We also saw position of the Pilot too without transmitting GPS data.

Never been so happy to realize that all my RC collection is 20 years old. Not a single fracking zero or one out of the whole bunch. 😁

Yeah, it’s bad. The thing with the AMA is that the FAA has yet to recognize them as CBO’s, or anybody else as such. That means that the FAA only has to treat them as a single citizen. Now, tell me that’s not deliberate. The thing with remote id and new model purchases is that the FAA requires a serial number be assigned. That mean manufacturers have to keep detailed records, like forever. So, your remote id is only good for that aircraft, or drone if you like. The FAA’s promise is that once they recognize CBO’s, that is a safe zone, so to speak, from id. However, as somebody who has had to deal with the FAA I’ll predict this; That the FAA will bury the hobby in FAR’s until it’s dead. My plan, wait until somebody at the club wrecks, salvage his id unit, tape it into a frisbee and fly it in the park right next to the FAA office!

Give it 12 months and I'm sure we will see it implemented in Australia as well.

Believe me I've been sharing your vids and preaching for years. I have been fighting and will not be complying

Fun police are at it again. Putting a stop to anything that brings a smile to peoples faces

Insane what's going on these days 😔 And even when the manufacturers are making stuff sub 250, there will be regulations for that, too.

Thanks for the information and keeping us up to date. Seems the hobby is dead. As I suspect other countries will follow same path.

My non-compliant fleet, backed up by a good supply of spare parts, will be flying rogue for many years after September 16th. The FAA can go pound sand.

@ 8:08 - this would need to be tested in court still.

As I understand it even sub 250g drones require Remote ID if they are used under the context of a Part 107. So I have no idea how all of the US based FPV RU-vidrs are going to survive unless they just continue to do review and technical type videos without showing any actual flying footage.

"Rules are meant to be broken"

The loop hole for manufacturers to not have to put standard remote ID in is to simply sell ARF (Almost Ready-to-Fly) models, planes, drones, FPVs. But fully ready to go RC planes and drones will have to have standard ID built in or they are not allowed to be sold. Home made planes and drones and ones you built while they are not required to come with standard built in remote ID will require a remote ID broadcast module instead which you can buy and install. However the kicker is you can't move and share the same module across all your drones and RC planes. You would need a remote ID broadcast module for every drone and RC plane you have. No one knows the cost but I don't think they will be cheap. The only option if you fly recreational is to use drones under 250 grams as they don't have to have remote ID and are exempt from all these rules.

No one is going to comply with rules that can't be enforced. The rule of law is if a rule cannot be enforced, it is null and void.

You missed one important thing about American politics…for a rule to go into effect it needs to be enforceable, and then the courts need to agree with how you enforce it. The FAA will be choosing their battles carefully with this one.

You might want to look into how recreational vs commercial is handled in the U.S., Bruce. As I understand it from the 1st Amendment auditing community the whole process of filming (i.e. in this case building) can be recreational even if you intend to put it on RU-vid because that in itself is recreational. If RU-vid then afterwards monetizes the video only then will it become commercial, disconnected from the act itself.

Bruce rules. See you tomorrow night on TNL!

They will do like they have in the UK, where the initial registration is literally just a pilot ID sticker on the aircraft, and 'legacy' aircraft will be good for another few years yet while they get all the broadcasting ID systems in place. That way, if an RC model comes down in a place it shouldnt be, the pilot can be traced through the ID

The sad thing is now that RDQ has failed the world will follow.......... Country after country. And then how long until sub 250 is included

I'm betting that DJI lobbied for this and already has it ready. It would give them a huge advantage and they know it will crush the competition.

Thanks Bruce!

I had to build every kit I bought back in the day and still prefer to build

"Comply with our rules". "OK, so what are these rules?". "Erm........... Shut up, and comply with our rules !". All sounds a bit "RU-vidish" to me. :D To me this new RID law feels like it's all part of a plan. It will bankrupt a lot of the low volume model retailers or manufacturers who have big money tied up in soon to be unsellable inventory, and this will help clear the field for bigger "Government friendly" manufacturers. My guess is that somewhere down the line the government will start insisting some other piece of technology will need to be implemented, but this time the tech will have to be licenced. Big companies will be able to spread the cost of this licence over the tens of thousands of units they sell, but the remaining small companies will be faced with either drastically increasing the price of the few thousand units they sell a year, or closing down production entirely.

I have decided to ignore this nonsense

Are we allowed to say we told you so? Talk to you more about it tonight ar 21:00 GMT on our hangout Bruce.

Look on the bright side, there’ll be a lot of bind and fly bargins coming soon lol

The rule only applies to unmanned aircraft manufactured after September 16 2022, so I don't think they'll be disappearing from shelves for a good while. After all most of the aircraft produced in China take the slow boat to the US. The rules are also written around the manufacturers and operators. It's not clear to me how the regulations are enforceable for the retailer.

Will this apply to my Mini DJI? This is insane.

If the craft is fitted with a FC and GPS using Inav will that work.

In the early years of motorcycles we birthed the outlaw biker... Now I'm also an outlaw flyer ;)

Over regulated it is - what a shame!

This is being brought in so DJI will own the market, this would require multiple companies to collaborate on protocols etc which will never happen

No land of Free, feel like I am in East Berlin again

Head of the FAA is Steve Dickson. Gettem 🤣

AMA, IMO, HAS GONE WOKE.