Scientists in Sweden are pushing for increased restrictions to slow the coronavirus spread as restaurants, bars and public spaces largely remain open. #CNN #News
It really is, hopefully, this saves billions from the horrors, and deaths, caused by this weird social isolation experiment. We have had lots of viruses, but never lockdowns like these.
As a swede, I have to say. this is so lazy journalism. first of all: to compare most of the countries mentioned and Sweden. first of all, Swedes have 10 million citizens on TWICE the landmass of Brittain. Denmark - 5 million people (half of Sweden) on 10 times smaller landmass. Social distancing IS the way here. It just not crowded. at all. Secondly - the footage they are showing in this is 2-3 weeks old. I live in Stockholm and I've seen the EXACT same footage in like 3 different segments from BBC, ITV, and CNN but weeks ago. they cant send out a photographer so they use the same footage?! But believe me... The streets ARE empty. People ARE working from home if they can. We are just not forcing everything to close and stop. You can't just drop down in central Stockholm at lunchtime and say: "look stuff is open and people are on the streets" and think that's all to it. Most things in the country are shut down and people are self-quarantining. This old socialistic country trusts the government and follows recommendations. We don't HAVE to put down restrictions because people are overachievers in the following recommendations. Third: People are extremely informed. This is isnt: "we don't care". This is: "let's try this first. Every country is unique. Let's look at our parameters and see what WE should and could do while saving jobs without putting people at risk. If we see the trend going the other way lets make sure we are ready for that too." Remember: This is isnt a big European hotspot like Italy, Spain, Germany or Great Britain. This is a large landmass, at the most northern spot in Europe with almost no people in it. Don't worry - we'll be fine. Edit: Have gotten some triggerd comments so let me clarify my point. Right now there is a lot of numbers comparing infected and death tolls from around the world in the comments. I get it but these comments miss my point witch is this: Different countries report coronavirus cases and deaths in different ways, which can easily lead to confusion and makes comparing the situation complicated. It's really hard to compare countries when it comes to numbers and how different governments around the world handle this crisis. Just think about it...: When did the virus really hit your country? January? February? Mars? Where on the curve are you? There was a time when Italy had more deaths than America. Swedens curve is past the peak and slowly turning back down. how many have you tested? Germany and South Korea have higher numbers than smaller countries but they have been really god at testing a lot of people. Where in your society did the virus hit the hardest? Unfortunatly the virus ht hard and early among our homes for the elderly. Yes - We have had high death tolls because of it but its been fairly isolated to Stockholm and these homes. In some countries its hit simultaneously on many fronts. Estland have a whole island infected. What's the nature of your healthcare system. It's free in Sweden. How is it the U.S? Your counries crisis preparedness? How many sickbeds do you have? How Whats the makeup of your welfare system. Is it generous? Is it effective? Is it based on apps and technology or do you have to walk down and stand in a line to get help? Workforce makeup? Whats the medum age of you population? Again - Density of population. Turism? Are you France or Finland? I get it ..it's low hanging fruit for journalist looking for a fresh corona angle to compare countries. It's easy for us at home.. scared and bored to track this desease around the world. We want answers to what works. But man is it hard to compare countries when it comes to stuff like this. Anf foolish to critizise with any kid of "i know whats best" attitude. In some ways, only you as a citizen can get a sence of how your government is handling the situation. I have no idea if what we are doing is gonna work. I just know there is a lot more to it than presented here and that not a lot of people here are complaining about the tactics of our government. Stay positive. Satay safe. /S
Thank you for telling me, it isn't the swede that are cray cray, but the journalists. Obviously, a sparse country needs less forced social distancing as they are already somewhat distanced.
Read a similar comment from a Swede last week. Lazy journalism indeed. Disappointed these NEWS outlets used to be revered. Now u can't even rely on them for simple non political news.
As a Swede in Sweden right now I couldn’t agree more. Is it perfect? No. But what people are also neglecting are all the other numbers that rises due to a total lockdown. Domestic abuse has skyrocketed, suicides are on the rise, gambling and alcohol abuse is growing. I mean there are layers to it all isn’t there?
yes, huge factor....and not having medical doctors initially telling the public that masks will make no difference. Those doctors who said that on record, should have their licenses revoked. They literally killed people with recommendation.
Population density might matter but then we have to talk about population density in a certain local region where there is an epidemic. I mean, for example, there is not much sense talking about the average population density of Russia if, say, 80% of the population live in big cities in the western region of the country.
The only reason I'm obsessed with these idiot doctors is that, in South Korea and Taiwan, from early on, masks were available in abundance to everyone. It was one the most integral parts of their success in controlling the spread. Still, in Canada it's very difficult to acquire them. What a total joke this country is. AND we are allowing passengers in Toronto fly in from China still without screening them. WTF !!!!
@@toddlavigne6441 I understand your point but also under what happens in the rest of the countries. 1. The production of these masks are small (relatively to the actual worldwide demand) and not in every countries. 2. those countries, Korea, Taiwan, as being in strong relationships are used to similar outbreaks, they experience the sars1, then mers, and suffered a lot at the time, thus they were more reactive than 'western countries, which did not experience the same burden at the time. 3. Being the first to react, mask purchasing was easy and they managed to secure reasonable amount for their population. 4. Then the rest of the world got affected, and the need for masks worldwide rapidly surpassed the world production capacity. 5. In order to secure the minimum for our med staff, worldwide, even not reached in some countries, governments had to put some priorities. Sure, it would have been better to say the truth and say they could barely secure the equipment for the medical staff and therefore common population would have to wait. They lied and knew about it. Not good from gov, but I understand their position. 6. Human are difficult to govern and are NOT reacting very well, sure they would have been more hoarding and riots if they would have said the truth to the population. 7. Even now, worldwide production does not widstand the world demand of protecting equipment, masks for the medical staff that needs to fight this battle in every country so we have to all understand this situation and try to see what we can do to help at our level instead of complaining and waiting that people solve the issue for us. We are all in the same problem and have to all do something at our level.
As of yesterday, Sweden has 919 deaths. Denmark 285, Finland 59, Norway 134. So Sweden has more than double the number of deaths of Norway, Finland and Denmark combined. I think the difference will become even bigger as time goes on.
@Chait Singh Or they may not - it's an experiment and in the words of Bomber Harris 'we shall see'. Anyway, it's not only (or especially?) deaths - those that get the 'stronger' version of the disease and survive may have long-term injuries to lungs, heart, liver - that in itself will cost a lot of money over the coming years.
Chris Gosselin You’re insane Keyboard warrior. Life is all you have! Without it nothing else exist ( literally) for the person without LIFE Freedom without life is called DEATH Dumb fuck. So please go ahead and wish the gift of abundant freedom with no LIFE to your grandparents and parents let them enjoy that gift.
g w As of today, the amount of cases per 1 million for Sweden is 1,133, for Norway is 1,233 and for Denmark is 1,153. Norway and Denmark have quarantined, Sweden didn't. Sweden has less cases per million, that is less cases than either Norway or Denmark. At best you can say the cases are about equal. Only one didn't quarantine. The number of deaths have nothing to do with the number of cases, obviously. Maybe Sweden's health care isn't as good as Norway's or Denmark's? But so far the experiment continues and I am very curious how it plays out. It feels great, yet a bit worrisome to be out and about. Should we be quarantined? IThe thought is always there. I am deathly afraid to take a bus or use the subway in case someone coughs on me. I hope I don't get it. Life goes on though, and like I said, the more time that passes, the more interesting this experiment gets.
This story is getting way overblown. Sweden isn’t going for “herd immunity,” they’ve shut down schools and universities and limited crowds to fewer than 50 people. The problem is that their weaker response has allowed for a greater number of infections and deaths. Fortunately for them they have one of the best healthcare systems in the world and everybody in the country has immediate access to top quality care so they can handle it for now.
They have quanative, not qualitative healthcare. They're healthcare is monopolized by the goverment, and funded by tax dollar's. Just like most countries, around the world. Go break a time sensitive bone over there, and see how long it takes for you to get the proper surgery. See if they don't cut corners, and give you the minimal care, while your at it. I bet you will! In the U.S, it's expensive due to all the market regulations. But if you can afford it, you'll get the best care, the world has to offer. And it'll be done, within a timely manner. The same is the base, with Canada. Medicare for all, is not as great as it's cracked up to be. Trust me, when I tell you.
Darrell Valentine the cost in the USA is largely because of our payer system of insurance companies. This alone adds more to the cost then any other factor. Then you add in the need to make up for uninsured or people who can’t/won’t pay medical bills. Then you add in that the insurance companies have more to say about your treatment than your doc, and you have what we have, a garbage system that on the outside seems great while in reality destroys lives while saving them. And truth be told about taxes, you and I likely pay our fair share. The wealthy and the corporate folks don’t. But that’s another topic.
@@darrellvalentine7316 Sweden does have issues with wait times but people who need a Covid test have been able to get one. Compare that to the United States where professional basketball players got tested while frontline medical workers were turned away. Now millions of people are gonna be losing their coverage along with their jobs. Our system is going to have to make big changes and it’s just a shame that so many people have had to lose so much along the way.
Like Anders Tegnell says, it is sustainable for a longer time. Countries with harsh lockdowns, like Spain, Italy, Austria, Denmark, are already planning on lessening their restrictions to get some balance with the supply of resources that society needs. In Sweden, a LOT of the responsibility is put on citizens to behave appropriately and use their own judgement, we'll see how that works out.
While it's not locked down, a huge chunk of the population are staying at home or restricting their activities. Stores and malls seem empty compared to normal. Many Grocery stores and other essential stores have placed marks on the floor throughout the store to give indications for recommended distancing from others. Restaurants and fast food places have closed off tables to keep those who do eat there separated. it's not "business as usual" as this report would claim. -Someone actually living in Gothenburg, Sweden
This narrative of Sweden almost doing nothing is totally false. Shopping streets are not busy at all, a lot of people are working from home and seldom leave their houses/apartments. Restaurants are certainly not bustling, many are almost empty or closed. Elderly and others in risk groups are under virtual lockdown. Additionally, Sweden has one of lowest population densities in Europe and the highest percentage of single person households (more than half). Intergenerational living is very rare (aside from families with children obviously). Social distancing has been a national sport for decades. Swedes have a deep-set belief that you keep to yourself and do not bother others unless absolutely necessary. There is also a high level of trust in the government. The message from the PM (Work from home, avoid large gatherings, protect the risk groups.) is adhered to. The public health agency runs simulations constantly based on the latest data and are adjusting preventive measures on a daily basis. Our curves do not look bad presently, the number of deaths and people requiring intensive care is keeping quite steady. We should certainly do more testing though, and we failed in the early protection of risk groups.
This is true, school and university are closed and shiffed to online learning system (except daycare and kindergarten). Also, we have well-established online supermarket, my family has not been to any supermaktets since the outbreak started, we only get home delivery (of everything). Also, people in my circle, even they are now-essential workers but in the risk groups, they are allowed to work from home. Most of people are very careful here in Sweden. However, the goverment is still very disappointed as they don’t have the clear strategy unlike others Nordic countries like Danmark, Norway and Finland. If Sweden can make it this time, it is not because of its goverment but its people. We shall see!
@@mikes5637 They are having 80% more deaths, compared to neighboring Denmark. And Denmark is also not completely closed down, the difference mainly being that we closed schools, cafés, and other close contact places like hairdressers etc.
akyhne Denmark is locked down very stictly. The numbers of cases and death toll in Sweden are more complicated because the toll is very high in the epicenter like Stockholm and it is particulary high among certain immigrant community (besides the elderly homes) So at this point, they still can’t figure out the certain risk factors of this group.
You think America is so different? Most Americans are either under insured or have no insurance. At least Sweden offers their citizens health care which is more than the US does.
That's not it all. You can care for the elderly without locking down the world. Using full blown PPE would reduce the chances of them getting infected greatly. Most were exposed before staffers were wearing any PPE. And people are to risk their lives in factories producing everything required to care for elderly people, and the rest of us sitting at home. There is something seriously wrong with this outlook. The hypocrisy is insane. The world has to stop to save the weak but we expect all essential workers to risk their own lives. We're going to be forced in a matter of weeks to make some hard decisions. I'm 56 and I would not expect the economy to shut down in order to save my live. Makes no sense would be very selfish. We all gotta go sometime.
@@TheGoofy1932 Having insurance isn't much good if you're old or sick as you have a high chance of dying if infected, regardless of the treatment available. Controlling the spread so the vulnerable aren't exposed is the most important way of keeping them alive.
@@deaddoll1361 Sorry to be the first to tell you, but old and sick people die more easily than others. The same is true of the regular old flu. Every year between 22,000-75,000 die in the US alone from it. So every flu season should we just shut the country down to save them? People die-sad but true. No reason to destroy our economy over a virus. And talk to me after you get your first 250,000 hospital bill after a week's stay there if you don't have insurance. What we need is Testing and PPE and a Federal Government who works with the states not against them. Instead we have a mean girl running things who wants more likes and credit for not actually doing anything. If action had been taken in January as it should have been we wouldn't have to shut down the country.
“Half of those killed lived in homes for the elderly.” Those are people husbands & wives, moms & dads & grandparents & siblings. I’m so sick of people who act like, “Eh, well, it’s just the elderly.” Or people who act like (or flat out say) the elderly should “sacrifice” themselves. That’s sick. Someone loves that person they so easily dismiss. The elderly are not disposable. They’re human beings & we will all be them one day. That kind of callousness is astonishing.
Will have a different attitude if they get treated like they treat the elderly when they're old, it'll be "OMG the younger generation today have no respect for the elderly." So easy to judge and mistreat people you know nothing about but when people get treated the same as they treat others then it's suddenly not right or mean. We don't need a virus, we need a meteor or something to reset the earth. To many people that just don't care nowadays.
Sorry buy a lot of those ELDERLY peplpe were probably going to die soon , maybe this month or later down the year. Thousands of people die each day in the US, now they want to act like coronavirus is the only reason there dying, there deaths are not enough to uproot everybody's life and ruin others
@@jennifercummins9462 yeah really anyone who gets really sick is probably going to die. Should just have a place to chuck them all when it happens. When they hit retirement age it would be cheaper just to kill them all then too. One bullet is cheaper than a bottle of high blood pressure meds. Obvious sarcasm should be obvious.
I guess "the herd" is better than him saying "the herd imoo- imoity- imoonoititities.". I bet Miller threw Him a cookie after that, "who's a good president, your a good president, "
Andrew Cheatle I live in Sweden, and the video doesnt do justice to what is actually going on. I have been working from home for over a month. People are voluntarily practicing social distancing, as in not seeing people in risk groups, keeping an actual distance from each other and so on. The recommandations being set by the government are being followed by all. They have also made it easier to stay home if you are sick in any way by giving everyone sick pay for 2 weeks without a doctors note, and more if needed after recommendations from a doctor. But closing down society completely at this point is not sustainable. People will at some point break it, you only really get one shot at it. So, every day an evaluation is being made to see if the spread has come to a point where the hospitals cant cope anymore, That is the point where we shut down. This is a strategy where we all expect the restrictions to tighten at some point, that has always been clear.
dark m he only lived cause he’s the fucking prime minister. Most people will not get that level of care... ie... 30 percent chance you die. That percentage is almost exactly like playing Russian roulette.
Mitch Karlo 100000 Chinese residents return from Wuhan to Italy before the lockdowns and America probably 5 x the amount. Dual citizenship can have its advantages but obviously not on this case. Comparing the countries health care systems is not worth arguing because Sweden would have to prove its system could cope with the number recorded in the other country’s.
Every experiment needs a control group. As we undergo a massive experiment to elongate the spread, Sweden stands as the control group that will ultimately provide a basis for comparison.
@@bigblocklawyer Yup. They said 2 million and its 20 thousand. Either Trump was highly effective, or the experts didn't know shit. Either way, we are ruining the economy and working class jobs unnecessarily.
Stewart - I agree - the only issue that we may encounter is any potential skewing of numbers. This approach isn't politically beneficial and there's always the possibility that they (or any nation) will skew the numbers. While we're attributing any death that tested positive for Covid 19 as a Covid 19 death, regardless of what the actual cause is (given that in theory at least it could be due to a complication of other co-morbidities that was triggered by Covid 19), other countries may simply list a heart attack as a heart attack, regardless of Covid status. Will have to see how it all plays out.
I live in Stockholm, the company I work for has been having us work from home for over a month now, I go out once every few days only to buy essential supplies. Frankly I am thankful that there is no panic and no atmosphere of fear. BUT I do disagree with the fact that there aren't any restrictions. I'm not Swedish myself, but I've been living here for almost a year - the Swedes are nice people and they generally trust their government's recommendations, which right now - is just that - a recommendation. But no matter what the news is saying - all anyone needs to do is look at the daily numbers: March 6 - 137 cases March 16 - 1,121 cases --- (after 10 days: + 1,000ish cases) March 27 - 3,069 cases -- (after 11 days: + 2,000ish cases) April 7 - 7,693 cases -- (after 10 days: + 4,700ish cases) April 12 - 10,948 cases -- (after 6 days: + 3,300ish cases) I think people want to point to Sweden as a proving point for the lifting of restrictions, and so that people can resume the comfort of 'normal life'. But there's no magic, no secret here - cases (and deaths) are rising just like everywhere else. It's not rocket science.
This is a strawman. No one is arguing that avoiding lockdowns will somehow lessen infections/deaths (???) in the short-term. No shit if you lock people up infection rates will lower - temporarily. The question is what the plan is for the long-term, because this virus isn't going anywhere. And lots of people die due to being locked down over long periods of time too (increased suicides, domestic killings, poverty-related deaths, etc). NO ONE KNOWS which method will kill less people in the long-term, and that's something that we'll only be able to properly study years from now. So it's impossible to look at any kind of numbers NOW to determine the success or failure of Sweden's strategy. As long as Sweden doesn't overload their healthcare system (which would lead to more deaths than normal), then there's no reason for them to not continue on without a strict lockdown.
@@mieroth You dont need to shout (if that's what the all caps are implying) And you do have a point about the long term. I lost an uncle to this virus. 2 of my cousins, and 1 aunt are nurses working with Covid patients directly, in 3 different countries. You're proving my point by the way - how easily people get offended when they feel certain liberties are being stepped on - such as the ability to go anywhere and do whatever, whenever. Say what you want about methods too - (oh would you look at that: +407 cases and +117 deaths in Sweden since my last post), it's not rocket science just look at the numbers. But like I said in my post - Swedes are generally nice people, so being 'asked' or 'suggested' to do distancing, or stay at home isn't much of a problem (if you consider the consistent case number increase, not a problem) - but think about other countries where people - wont or cant isolate / distance themselves - it wont stop the spread in those situations. My own family is affected, my brother's business is going down the toilet, my parents who work as University teachers don't have work because of the situation - and I'm the only one who is lucky enough to be able to work from home, so im shouldering their burdens in any way I can. So while you guys are angry over liberties, I need to keep myself safe for the sake of my own family - because if anything happens to me, we'll be in deeper trouble than we already are. Must be so nice to worry about whether or not you go out tomorrow and enjoy the day.
@@ninabaebae6334 What's with everyone and typing in all caps? im looking at www.worldometers.info/coronavirus (it's the top search result when you search in global conona count) And I crosscheck this info with thelocal.se (engilsh newsite for where I am specifically) but because I have family in different countries, I also crosscheck the numbers this site is giving in reference to what different location specific news sites are giving. I'm 40 years old. I have a wife and 2 kids, the last thing I want is to be misled. . So unless multiple global sources are coordinating to bamboozle an audience, I have some level of trust on the different news outlets I am looking at, but even then I always question their validity. Do you have any one reputable data gathering source you would like to recommend? If you know where we can get factual data - I'm all ears, and you don't need to yell either.
@Gary Nelson This is not natural selection, this is the result of a government (CCP) that cares nothing about the deaths it causes only it's economic and political agenda.The CCP virus isn't just killing the old and infirm, it is literally killing families , fathers, sons, daughters and mothers to be. Zoo animals are even getting it.If it was Saddam Hussein that was to blame for it Nukes would have already been deployed.
Less than 1000 deaths they are doing something right in Sweden then. Compare U.S. stats. It’s a sad fact of life that millions of people die every year. Over 50 million on average! Most from causes other than this. Over half of these deaths are in age 70 and older. Disproportionately older adults because that’s how aging works. Disproportionately people of lower SES because unfortunately that’s how our messed up economy works, promoting a a disparity in heath and healthcare quality. And regular flu deaths in US this 2019-2020 flu season has been 43,000 average estimate (this despite mass flu shots?). This is approximately twice the reported covid 19 related deaths yet no one is freaking out about that? Finally, according to world meters website, of all active cases of current coronavirus 96% are classed as mild, and has been at this level for weeks. Before you react look the numbers up for yourself.
What you say is common sense but the mischief makers are loose and spreading disinformation about what is nothing more than a cold virus which has been researched for years without a vaccine being discovered.
To compare these small European countries with small population with USA is so foolish, I don't think giving examples or even following their strategy is doing any good
The problem in comparisons isn't that they can't be useful, but that the US is primarily informing the population, and doing comparisons, on a national and federal level. Which makes no sense, especially now that there's no real federal management, control, planning or coordination. The US isn't one uniform mass. It's a mid-sized subcontinent of 50 different, diverse and separately managing (in this mess) states. If you want to make reasonable comparison, comparing the US to the western bloc of Europe as a whole (in terms of region and mass), as separate nation states, with each their state and local govts, a not-really-helping-much in this situation Union (although the EU is not a govt with legal powers over any of it's members - it's more of a trade, travel and commerce union, not a federation), and with massive cross-border inter-nation-state commerce, travel, work etc. And to be very clear - we really don't need anything near a like-for-like or carbon copy of our own situations and context, to derive information that can very useful to us. We just need to account for and understand the differences, how they manifest and what role they play.
@blueflame Sweden's government is still in somewhat of the kind of stalemate the US has been, and the UK was, with the government refusing to accept that they've messed up, and they're refusing to implement hard measures because that would signal that they did indeed underestimate this. Only, in Sweden there are no big powerful and resource-strong state goverments underneath, to really grab the reins, like many of the US states. About a week ago soon, that reporting showed outbreaks on just about every care facility in the entire nation (Sweden) - and still they refuse to acknowledge that their mitigation effort has failed horribly. And as long as they don't do any hard measures, there's not gonna be any hard turns on the curve either. Thing is - while they play on this herd immunity theory and are willing to sacrifice so many thousand of lives without giving those people a say in it - they're being pretty ignorant to the reality that _we don't even know for sure that people actually get a proper functional immunity after recovery._ They're betting the farm without a family vote, and no one even knows the odds of the bet yet.
@blueflame Testing, efficient contact tracing and time. Both time as in where they were (and are) in both their national, and the overall regional/global progression of spread, when they really started implementing measures - and time as in how vastly more rapid SK have responded and acted, on new information and new/changing developments. SK is also a research botbed, were one of the first areas outside China to have spread, so they're in some ways a good bit ahead of many others on learning about how this thing works. SK is generally pretty good on sharing research and data, but they're gonna be ahead on some studies and trials, where preliminary data can be really useful internally and domestically, but not yet vetted, verified or understood well enough, for sharing their results with the international medical community. They're also very different social cultures. South Koreans on average think more in the lines of common good and commynity, as a baseline. Wearing a mask during flu season, if you have a sniffle etc - primarily for the intent of protecting _others,_ was already a very common thing in SK long before this happened. Those things most definitely have helped modulate spread ealy on.
And Nyland/Uusimaa isolation will not be prolonged, I'm worried as I see far too many people gathering not practicing social distancing or not staying home
Fanta Sip Finnish wants to social distance themselves to their summer cottages 🙄 So they will take down the lockdown for the Nyland/Uusimaa. They will stay in their summer cottages at end of the summer so it’s ok 👌 🤓
Fanta Sip I know lots of people who went from Spain to Finland and they directly social distanced themselves to their summer cottages and they have attention to stay there until the summer is over. They have everything there what they need. My mother for example is perfectly happy to stay there. You have your garden, lake and sauna (beer and bbq). What else do you need 🙄
@@verttikoo2052 sounds like heaven on earth staying in the huts🤗...also sounds great the returning Finns social distance and self-quarantined immediately. I cancelled a trip to Sweden 12th February, cancelled events etc, last time i visited Helsinki was 21th February, cancelled my commitments there, wearing mask since then, self-quarantine, social distance, sanitizing, disinfection, deep cleansing, boosting my immune system, you name it (commitments moved to zoom, phone, etc)...
but however the people are doing exactly the opposite of what the government wants. In american, where there is lockdown but people are no social distancing. in Sweden there is no lockdown but people are staying indoor. (the video clip was from 3 weeks ago. nowhere in sweden is this crowded today.)
Just to compare: Sweden with no lockdown measures: 11,445 confirmed cases, 1,033 deaths Finland (Sweden's neighbor in case you are unaware) with early and very broad lockdown measures: 3,237 cases, 64 deaths So ye Sweden chose economy over the lives of hundreds, potentially many thousands of people. We Finns might take bigger economical hit, but we chose to protect lives of our citizens.
@Juxhin Meminaj Nope it wont likely disappear before we get vaccine....but the whole POINT is to try to limit the infections and deaths that it causes.And it really comes down to the question which you value more....economy or human life?
Balnazzardi You are a total idiot. ”Money over lives” so what about the people who will end up on the street because of no income because of the lockdown? More people will die from a lockdown than the virus. Good luck with all the homeless people in the US for the next years, idiots.
Sweden also has twice the population. Not to mention we count statistics for each death no matter where they died, compared to most countries that only count fatalities in hospitals. People see a number and think all numbers are comparable. They're not. It just shows how misinformed you are.
@@Mortac And I think it shows how fucking delusional you are if you think that your strategy is better and not costing any more lives than they are here in Finland with VERY tightt lockdown measures. By all means think whatever you want that we would have as high death rate here as you have there, but the matter of fact is that here in Finland our healthcare system is at least as on good level as yours are and the reports are quite clear....you are losing more ppl people to this virus per DAY as we have had total amount of deaths yet...But keep on believing to your own delusions about this matter...the matter of fact that your idiotic nation chose not to take any measures against this is gonna end up making your death toll MUCH higher than what it will be here in Finland. In past 24 hours you have lost another 130 people to this pandemic, while here in Finland only 75 ppl have died in TOTAL, 3 of them in past 24 hours.....we took heavy lockdown measures early on (closed schools, restaurants etc) and many companies have had their employyes work from home. We even isolated the main capital area for over 2 weeks from the rest of the country because most cases were located here. But keep on believing that these things dont matter and your approach is right and that lockdown measures make no difference....once those death numbers keep climbing up in Sweden, while here in FInland they stay low, perhaps then you finally change your mind.
i know one person who died. it became very real for us last wednesday, i lost track of time for a few days until i decided to allow myself to grieve, his health deteriorate within 6 days. You guys this is very real. I don't want to you be too anxious but really and truly don't be reckless. Take this seriously. Please do .
It is 25m people not 25,000,000m that's like 25 Quadrillion people, more than world population by a lot. But I get what you mean. Also Sweden death 919, Australian death 61
Most of the Swedes On here seem to be in denial. As if this is an "Us versus them" question tripping over themselves to stand up for the stance their nation is taking. And ignoring the overwhelming stance taken by most scientists in Sweden who are very worried.
omg this is some of the most false reporting i have seen, so wrong in many ways.. Most people are following the advice of the expert and are working from home, social distancing, all people in risk groups are staying home( im in the risk group and been working from home for a month now) like most countries. Yes sthlm has most problem, they have 50% of the reported cases and death the rest of the country are doing fine. Also they are talking about death per 100 000, if you look at Switzerland they have more death and cases then Sweden and have a lower pop, so you cant just look at the death/cases..
Yup, reports like these have an agenda. They could compare the numbers in Sweden to those in Switzerland and Holland for instance. But do they? Nope. Still, I'm not entirely comfortable with the road less travelled by taken by the authorities here.
I wish I lived in Sweden now instead of the USA........America is a country full of scared spineless lemmings willing to live under house arrest like cowards.
@@reelreeler8778 So doing the right thing for your fellow countrymen is cowardly now? What you need is more guns! Shoot those cowards in their homes and save America. Don't let this lockdown curtailed the national sport of mass shootings.
@@reelreeler8778 then , go out what are you waiting for?!!! Go post vídeos in RU-vid and show you're not a coward of any sort , do it, all the people reading ur post will subscribe and check your videos tomorrow to see your lack of cowardness ,.... No?/. No that brave are ye? 😄😄😄😁🤣😂🤣😂
So far Finland has had 82 deaths Denmark has had 336 deaths Norway has had 161 deaths and Sweden has had 1,400 deaths. Is Sweden really taking the right approach?
It's not bizarre. You can't stop the virus, only slow it down. They are really only killing more, if their health care system breaks down. It hasn't so far.
@@akyhne It is bizarre, because those most at risk may not survive even with the best health care. Germany has that and people still die. Their best defense is not to be exposed which requires avoidance.
Singapore is getting hit by the second wave migrant workers. The trajectory is similar to the first one by harder. As long as their medical system not being overwhelmed. they shall be Ok. And looking at the number in tropical country and southern hemisphere. It seems like hot weather does help a bit. The propagate of the disease is less aggressive is Australia and New Zealand. But the South American countries though...
@@TrackerRoo which in practice means exactly what Alejandro said: feck it, let the elder die. Because that's exactly what it is happening in Sweden: the elderly are dying. Heck, they have 4 times the number of deaths per 100k citizens compared with Finland, and twice as many as Norway or Denmark or even my own country, Portugal... Sweden now tallies more than double the deaths of its neighbours (Finland, Denmark and Norway) combined. And it is just getting worse with each passing day... at the time of this piece they were at 8.83 per 100k citizens, they are now at 13.2 per 100k citizens). Sorry, if you call that being "adult", you're forgetting the adjective "irresponsible" prefixed to it.
Hugo Vaz They are adults, if they want to wear masks, they can. Why destroy an entire economy when adults, who are capable, can see to themselves? Just seems stupid and here we are in the US. So many unemployment claims not everyone has been able to get their benefits. Farmers are dumping produce. Small business owners are facing the posibility of having to close for good. People are at risk of losing their homes and here you are clapping and saying job well done. How is that a job well done? When a family is homelss because of this. When kids go hungry because of this, how in the hell can you say we are doing good?
Current findings seems to show that theres 3 strains of Covid19. However i have not came across anything yet about a person thats already immune to strainA also get immunity from other 2 strains
@@nizam_mr Not immunity but the antibodies recognize related viruses and you get less severe of illness. This is what they say about people who are consistent with getting the flu shot every year: they found that if you kept up with shots for three years in a row you benefit from less severe illness.
@@nizam_mr South Korea reported yesterday that they have seen about 100 hundred people who previously tested positive for the virus come down with symptoms again
@@tee8839 This is why these things come across as nothings. Yes, the limit enforced by law is 50, but it's much more subtle. The government has also issued _why_ they do this. I have had canceled gatherings of 5 people due to the guidelines given. I also work from home as a result. Don't take the numbers as fact. They have been very clear as to why the restrictions are there and why you should care. Some will be retarded and do it anyway (I know one, sadly). A vast majority listens to the thought process behind it and act accordingly. We are banking on this reducing the transmission rate enough to flatten the curve.
Death counts in Sweden also appear higher because we have complete knowledge of each citizen and their cause of death. For example, Italy counts ONLY deaths of Covid-19 if they died in a hospital. Any deaths outside of the hospital aren't counted. Countries such as Russia and several others have a LOT of unknown cases and they aren't very good at keeping statistical data. Finally, some countries simply count their statistics differently, meaning yet again that the numbers in Sweden seem inflated. Unfortunately, people just see a number without having any idea of the circumstances.
Hate to be a person over 60 in Sweden who paid their taxes for years and retired only to be told by your Gov.. “this virus kills the elderly, stay over there and die with it... oldtimer”. Way to say “thank you” for years of service to country. Smmfh
i’m sure the number is way higher than what the sweden government says, they will only test the people who almost died, my teacher has been sick for four weeks already, but she can’t do the test because she can still work and breathe......
SomeOnesSon - We need to hear your voice. Many Aussies back home want to open the country up in a Sweden style experiment at the risk of killing many people over 55.
I'm sorry you are not at home! Keep taking sensible precautions like staying in your house, practicing social distancing, and washing your hands. I know you are most likely doing that already but it sounds like Sweden needs lots of people to lead by example with such an idiot government.
Sweden just doesn't care who they kill. Nursing home patients are acceptable collateral damage. Rolling the dice works fine....... right up to the moment that it doesn't.
Beth Evans be mindful that no one actually knows if we build immunity to this or that it doesn’t lay dormant and kills you later like aids. It’s best to let it be figured out first.
I read an article about a Dr working in the French hospitals ...they are all socked the hospitals are empty and people who really needs help are hold home until they get really bad ....then they are accepting them in the hospital ( and all have the Virus) what's not true ...the patients are classified in 2 with a chance or not ... Families can't go there so they have to do what they are told ... A few minutes after I wanted to share the article it is removed .CRIMINALS . They are all guilty Governments , Who ,the Elite . But unfortunately the Almighty God will come against them . I salute Sweden ...and I'm curious to see what's gonna be .
They aren't even reporting all numbers during easter cause it's a holiday. The had 100 people dying each day 3 days in a row before easter(the highest numbers yet), then on the easter days just 10-20 each day which are not the real numbers. So we will have to see this week the numbers to see really where they are headed.
Yes, the FHM in Sweden has confirmed that there will be a surge (most likely tomorrow, wednesday) of the cases from the Easter weekend. We're still at about 100 deaths per day, so seemingly we will have about 400-500 new deaths tomorrow, and then back to "normal" levels again.
Sweden can keep this going forever. The counties who has a lockdown will have to open someday. The failure we have is that the virus has spread into elderly homes. The elderly is meeting a huge number of different staff and also many have free help in their homes several time a day buy different people that were not trained for this virus. We also had a very unlucky start with schools off and lots of families skiing in the Italien Alps just when the outbreak took off. We therefore had a huge number of people carrying the virus very early. This together has driven the number of death up, since so many old has got the virus. The spread in the rest of society seems to be quite low. I'm living in the second hardest hit region and I so far have not heard of anyone who got it. Then again, testing is not done, so who knows. Since the virus is spread, everyone has to act as they have it. The strategy is to not focus on only the Covid-19 deaths, but on all death. People still do die of other courses and saving one to sacrifice another is not a good idea. Hopefully we are better suited when the second wave hits.
If its only 3 months I'm with ya. But listen to what the moron leaders are saying. Talking 16 to 18 months for a vaccine. That would change the whole planet
@@GS-kj6ur Are you to naive and ignorant to realize, that with meat facilities shutting down, farmers being forced to destroy vegetation, india and china rice production being abandoned, that this GLOBAL shutdown, is setting us up for a food shortage next year. On top of that, they are really asking us to stay inside until NEXT year when the vaccine certifications are available. Your money won't buy food, if the food is unavailable. To stay on House arrest for a year is Ludicrous!
I think it’s more sinister that what is being let on to here. The elderly cost Sweden an enormous amount of money, due to their socialist system. They would not be the first socialist government is history to favor the depopulation for their elderly.
Remember that Sweden has one of the most accurate reporting of death figures in the world, and that the test methods is different so that number of actual cases cannot be compared with other countries. Also we will never know whether the strategy worked until about a year from now when hopefully a vaccine is in place. Until then we will have to maintain a sustainable strategy that gives hospitals the best possible chance to save lives. The momentary number this early means little. Wait until every country on lockdown needs to open up and adopt similar measures as in Sweden for a short while before they possibly close down again after a second surge.
@@deaddoll1361 Note that I deliberately empasized _death_ figures. Sweden's stragtegy on general testing isn't very aggressive compared to other countries, so comparing deaths is be more useful in the case of Sweden. Norway and Germany are likely also among the most accurate countries in death figures, but I think they also performed more tests in general than Sweden did so they are definately more accurate on the number of infections than Sweden is.
What! How do you know that Sweden death toll reporting is the most accurate in the world when even health officials here admitted its not?! And that there’s a lot of ”eftersläpning”. The difference here is that no one asks if these numbers include community deaths or not. But there was this one report a week ago that revealed that the official numbers are lower than the actual numbers but we don’t know by how much or how they counted them.
@@try2justbe I never claimed Sweden has the most accurate reporting in the world, nor did I say it was perfect. Lag in the reporting has nothing to do with the accuracy, it's just a timing aspect.
Fact from the international numbers. Currently Sweden has 10657 cases. (April 17) Only 1888 cases have had a conclusion. 550 have recovered, 1333 have died. This will get very ugly if they have it wrong.
It has been established that the virus did it’s big mutation when it jumped to humans, and other mutations have showed that it would survive in a human cell. For the virus to guarantee to live it need to just multiplying as it is.
The numbers don’t lie. Compared to my country who have locked down, we have very few deaths and recovery is almost 50% Sweden has lost hundreds knowing it will kill off a population it doesn’t want to pay for anymore, and that is their old.
I live in Sweden and it seems like most people follow the recommendations very well. Of course there are always ignorant people so our behavior could improve. I'm conflicted on the current situation, but as our government says a part of me believes that this isn't something you can get rid of with a few weeks of lockdown. You have to play the long game. Then again another part of me questions it. Can we get rid of it by a lockdown, or will it come back? If it comes back, perhaps we are more ready then. Also it's almost impossible to guess the effects of a prolonged lockdown. Unemployment, businesses going under, domestic abuse, increase of alcohol consumption, psychic illness, etc. In the end all I can do is follow my governments recommendations and perhaps do more if I can.
@Patrick Bullard thanks, good luck to you too. Me and my family, relatives, friends, colleauges, the company I work for, etc. do take this seriously and take all the precautions we can.
@@commandersune5432 I think the biggest problem with the Swedish approach is that it leads to more deaths among high risk groups for whom it's very difficult to protect themselves. Old people who need care have no way of effectively isolating themselves if their carers go home every evening.
@@erics2305 that's indeed true. Seeing that most deaths are in nursing homes and it's most likely the people working there that has brought the virus to the elderly. Would a early lockdown had helped, yes likely. Would a lockdown made a difference in the long run when society opens up again? That would depend on what kind of testing is implemented and how much. Most countries will still have to be somewhat restrictive (like in Sweden right now) for a long time until either herd immunity is acheived or a vaccine is available. Looking at these figures a year from now will probably paint a completely different picture.
The choice is pay now or pay later. WHEN this virus hits for a second or third wave the countries with the least exposure will suffer more. As long as their health care system is not being overwhelmed then I believe they will be in a much better position for the future. If we totally isolate ourselves we may be able to avoid exposure in the short term ( and this may be very necessary in some areas to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed) but can we sustain total isolation? At what point will people loose their ability to pay rent or even feed themselves? What will be the cost, in lives, for artificially creating poverty. NY has not overwhelmed the hospitals and experts estimate that up to 35% of the population has been infected
You're right, but the cost to "pay later" may be substantially lower, if there are things like vaccines or even just more effective treatment methods. Avoid exposure when we're ill prepared, live to fight another day when we're better prepared. Unfortunately, I'm not confident that with our current leadership, we will be better prepared for the eventual and unavoidable future waves.
Paul You are correct on your first part. Every country has the sovereignty to make those decisions for themselves and only time will tell who is correct and the “correct thing may not be the same thing for each country. As to the second part, your concerns are understandable if you are relying on CNN to provide news. It’s important to understand that CNN has no intention to “educate “ you on the facts, they instead have waged war against Trump and will do everything they can to panic you and convince you that the federal response has been a failure which is NOT consistent with what we actually hear from our State Governors. Let me ask you this, if our homeless population goes up by a couple of hundred thousand, will that help or hurt us in the next wave? Trump is criticized for looking forward when it would be irresponsible not to.
Katy they are. Glad you got your wish. Now check with your politicians to make sure you are allowed to touch your keyboard. Because politicians are always on your side with no other concerns but your “safety and protection”. I mean if you know absolutely nothing about history and reality that is. Which you obviously don’t.
