This Crash is Why the Military Now Does Drug Testing

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On May 26, 1981 a Marine Corps EA-6B Prowler from VMAQ-2 "Playboys" landed right of the centerline aboard USS Nimitz (CVN 68) and hit nine other airplanes parked on the flight deck. The subsequent mishap investigation revealed that the deceased pilot had fought a head cold by "self medicating" and six of the 11 sailors killed in the fire on the flight deck had traces of marijuana in their blood. Among the actions taken following the investigation was that President Reagan ordered the U.S. military to institute a drug testing program across all branches of the service. That program is still in place today.
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@WardCarroll 4 месяца назад

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@rp1645 4 месяца назад

Thank you so much ( SIR) for addressing this very dangerous and very Deadly misshap. My gosh ( WARD "SIR" ) are EGOs really this high. This is where a fighter jet pilot MUST set aside EGO, writing things your body can't cash 😊 When I think of the aftermath deaths and Damage to TAX payers money 💰 and just taking the carrier out of Ready service. Man "O" man these pilots must take the beating from fellow pilots, but do the wave off, go to shore no matter if you don't know the airstrips. I do think that the medical doctor on board must go to the air BOSS and "SAY" I gave this Pilot this meds, that he might up the dose. This can't be done to pilots, they MUST be grounded. Me sitting here looking at your U-Tube video as I have another SHOT of Cutty sark 😊 that I know This is BAD. My mind is buzzed. I thank you ( SIR) as one of my favorite U-Tube all Navy information channels, you hit it home on DRUG testing at work places. I remember when I worked, we had a random Drug test and all we had were CDLs. I was a Government Road Farmer ( dump truck ) Operator plus heavy equipment. I am baffled at the amount of Destruction done to Carries air wing and lives lost, all because the Pilot must get in that seat. You ( SIR) bring attention to this most dangerous situation, and Thank you Thank you Thank you

@evv4164 4 месяца назад

The sponsorship caught me by surprise, in a good way.

@_c_y_p_3 4 месяца назад

The war on drugs had a disastrous effect on the entire planet.

@johndoe-el5ic 4 месяца назад

cool video bro... BARRY SEAL has left the chat.....

@paulgithens635 4 месяца назад

@@_c_y_p_3 The scourge of prohibition is chaos, crime and corruption.

@brentatbluenovaproductions2136 4 месяца назад

This was my dad's first cruise as a naval aviator. He once got drunk enough to tell me about running to the deck and trying to rescue a burned sailor and his hands went straight though his chest and that he didn't sleep for 3 days after. That day haunted him for over 30 years.

@ChronicAndIronic Месяц назад

holy shit dude that’s actually insane

@bobchronister3429 4 месяца назад

I was onboard that night. I was an AW with HS-9. I will never forget that night. We had to open the doors to the ready room because they set circle William and there was no ventilation. The main casualty route ran right in front of our ready room. I will never forget the sights or smells from that night of those carried down that passageway. I remember walking around on the flight deck the next morning and seeing the carnage. After we airlifted the severely injured to Jax, the sip hauled a$$ back to Norfolk. The fire in the crotch was so hot it burned a hole through the flight deck. Master at arms were confiscating people’s cameras who ignored the order to NOT take any pictures on deck. When we got back to Norfolk, the phones at the end of the pier were hammered for hours and hours. The reporters were hounding anyone from the Nimitz for a story. There was a press conference in Hangar bay 2 I believe where Captain Batzler answered questions. As a young AW2 in my first squadron, it really shaped how I operated the rest of my 20 year career as an Aircrewman.

@Noone-jn3jp 4 месяца назад

Sir, I love machinery and am completely amazed by the scope of ships. I served my machinist apprenticeship under a sailor from the Vietnam era. Being from Iowa, the thought of getting on a vessel that goes to sea is terrifying. I say all that to say this: The sailors on that fire suppression team are the Hero’s of the Hero’s. The one thing that would draw me to take my skills to sea is the fact that everyone is responsible for everyone. I have spent my life as a Civilian supporting the military in anyway I can. Care packages, Helping PCS, Ret. Vet support, 10 years Army GS and now a contractor. America is the greatest country on earth and your service ensured that my generation has something to protect. We won’t let you down.

@glennsoucy9767 4 месяца назад

The NFP came up the port ladder at frame 29. We came face to face with a Phoenix lying on the deck. It was the first time that a foam inline eductor had been used in an actual casualty. Many of us are still friends to this day

@Halozocker104 4 месяца назад

@@Noone-jn3jpreally well said, thank you and all service members for what you guys are doing.

@KJ6EAD 4 месяца назад

Thanks for the insider perspective. What I like most about online communities is the opportunity to get high quality information directly from those who lived through events.

@AdamosDad 4 месяца назад

Thank you for your service bother.

@bobmarlowe3390 4 месяца назад

I was working in AIMD at NAS Cecil Field when it happened. I remember going through a meeting where they told up about the drug testing. During the meeting, they told us the only drug that couldn't be detected by a urinalysis was LSD. Quite a few sailors I knew quit smoking pot and started doing LSD. It made me happy my sea time was done.

@LRRPFco52 4 месяца назад

When I got to the 82nd, our Parachute Riggers had just pissed hot for LSD. If you're still tripping and it's in your bloodstream, you will piss hot within 24hrs of use, but not after that.

@mmarsh1972 4 месяца назад

And the sad part is, this was called caused by a LEGAL Drug not an illegal one. Although 11 times the proscribed dosage he should not ahve been flying especially with 2 others on board.

@pazsion 4 месяца назад

why did he feel a need to fly took presidencd over his safety and that of others as well?

@garyevans3051 3 месяца назад

With higher physical exertion it can go as low as day 14

@NY-Vice Месяц назад

@@pazsion That was the culture of the men at that time, as Ward said in this very video. After this incident they made an active effort to tell pilots if they did not feel well to not fly. I would recommend watching this video you commented on 😅

@speedy423 4 месяца назад

I was on-board the Nimitz that night and remember vividly to this day.

@gtaxmods 4 месяца назад

Did you know anyone involved in the incident?

@speedy423 4 месяца назад

@@gtaxmods thankfully no but it had a tremendous impact on the entire crew.

@michaelbrett8852 4 месяца назад

Same here.

@flparkermdpc 4 месяца назад

No surprise. So blessed to be untouched.

@Skank_and_Gutterboy 4 месяца назад

I joined in '88 and didn't get to a ship until '90 because nuke school takes 2 years. The older guys talked about smoking pot down in the shaft alleys with the chiefs all the time in the early 80s. By the time I got there, things were totally different and we got piss-tested all the time.

@victorm56 4 месяца назад

I was there, attached to repair 5 main locker at the time. When all AFFF station were activated by flight deck personnel instead of 1 or 2, the overpressure blew the header apart in the aft galley and flooded it with foam. This space had to be evacuated during a casuality on the flight deck.. This also meant no AFFF reached the flight deck from the installed systems. It brought us down to 5 gallon buckets and portable foam applicators (Not going to use the common name). When that ran out, we were down to salt water fire hose mains. Terrible night.

@victorm56 4 месяца назад

One small correction the Crash actually occured on 5/25/1981 at 23:57, The first 1MC call was "Crash on deck", 2nd call was "Fire!, Fire! Fire on the flight deck". The Third call came at 00:01 5/26/1981 "Genreal Quareters, General Quarters! This NOT a drill! All personnel report to you Battle Stations. Up and forwrad on the Starboard side, Down and after on the Port side. General Qarters".

@IMDunn-oy9cd 4 месяца назад

Former urinalysis coordinator here - from a command of over 1K personnel, the only drugs we ever detected were prescribed drugs from medical/dental.

@randykelso4079 4 месяца назад

Which branch and what time period?

@IMDunn-oy9cd 4 месяца назад

@@randykelso4079 USN 1993

@randykelso4079 4 месяца назад

@@IMDunn-oy9cd Thank you.

@MichaelSimmons10Jul1969 4 месяца назад

My father was with VF-41 during this time, we where holding our breaths until he came home.

@jackshittle 4 месяца назад

An aircrewman in my squadron apparently smoked weed every day for 5 years. After he reenlisted in his 6th year he finally popped positive. He claimed that he knew that even when they randomly selected him and the other sailors that out of all the samples, that they only picked a few of them to actually be tested. That's how he skated through 5 yrs without getting caught, this was between 1990-1996.

@wfs000 4 месяца назад

I think similar tactic in early 1970s in Air Force that urine testing was not truly random. Across military services after Vietnam drug use took off and soft drugs became more common and easily obtained. Alcohol use to me was also abused (always). Just a part of the culture.

@Jeff-sp7bg 4 месяца назад

I know a Captain that sold coke on base. His flight nickname was "Snow" early 2000s

@jackshittle 4 месяца назад

@@Jeff-sp7bg Wow, was he an NFO? What type aircraft?

@DrDeuteron 4 месяца назад

no one inhaled in the 90s, remember?

@SuperSreggin 4 месяца назад

If you told this to the US military, they would tell you that's impossible. Weed makes you a delusional murdering, uncoordinated physcopath, according to them.

@Emanemoston 4 месяца назад

I have to say, the number three is a very un-random random number. I filled so many of those little cups. Thank you for the video sir. I enjoy them all.

@ssmt2 4 месяца назад

I thought the same thing about the number 4. I pissed in more cups than I care to remember.

@johnstreet7656 4 месяца назад

LOL. "7" is NOT my lucky number.

@jim-f4n 3 месяца назад

One night in 1983. I was the alert tractor driver posted at the crotch aboard the Ranger. Tomcat on approach was drifting to my left. Within 2 maybe 3 seconds he was heading at the hood of my tractor! ..I took off! Ran like hell to the starboard side and didn’t stop till I was at the edge of #1 Elevator. He caught the 4 wire. His starboard wing went through 3 nose cones of the intruders on the line. My assistant Flightdeck officer gave me praise for being alert and running. They asked me to fill out an observation statement. If he didn’t catch that 4 wire we would have had a rolling ball of fire all the way up the line of A7s on cat 2 of the bow. Go ABs ! Keep your head clear and on a swivel.

@WestPhillyNative215 4 месяца назад

@bobchronister I was on board Nimitz as well. I was in the Deck Department preparing for the mid-watch when the BMOW sounded GQ! That was one dreadful event I will never forget in my Navy career. The other would be the Beirut, Lebanon Marine barracks bombing on October 23,1983 while serving on board USS El Paso (LKA-117).

@donaldtireman 4 месяца назад

WestPhilly. I was aboard the Eisenhower at that time in '83, racing back to Beirut at flank speed. Oh, how we wanted some serious payback...a few years ago, I met one of the survivors at a nearby rifle range that he ran. He talked a little, nothing graphic, after I offered condolences. I just bit my tongue and listened.

@Gauge1LiveSteam 4 месяца назад

I was in 3rd Infantry Division in Germany when those drug tests started. Lots of troops got discharged. Some of the armor companies lost half their troops. Drugs was a really big problem. Took a long time to get over it.

@KevElder 4 месяца назад

Mooch - I knew we had crossed paths, but it wasn’t until now that I figured it out. I was the XO with VMFA-251 during the USS America / CAG-1 cruise in 95-96. Boink

@eastcoastwatch672 4 месяца назад

While serving in 1971 with VA176 onboard the USS Roosevelt I was a Petty Officer temporarily assigned to the ships MAA and I couldn’t believe the amount of drug use by the crew that we tried to curtail without much success as the evidence was always pitched overboard before can get close enough to take action. The sponson decks were popular at night.

@MrDlt123 4 месяца назад

This type of thing has been going on in the military for as long as I can remember. For example, they tell you that there's no affect on your flight status or clearance if you seek counseling - something that I always repeated to my people. But when I sought counseling after my wife's slow death from cancer, I was removed from flight status/duty, and my next clearance update was an inquisition with Torquemada. Again, this was me volunteering to seek help when I recognized I was in a bad place. There was no long term detrimental career effects, but by the time I returned to duty, everyone in my squadron was aware of my status. Nothing will cheer you up quicker after the death of a spouse than having your laundry aired in public. This was in the late 1990s, so I can only hope things have gotten better. Until they genuinely mean what they say, and people can see that, there is always the potential for things like this to happen. But dont get me wrong; the pilot in the story bears alot of responsibility too. I just mean that there's much that can be remedied through CRM and operational changes. Sorry for the long rant.

@KCLIBURN-mj9qx 3 месяца назад

Thanks for baring your soul and some hard to swallow experiences, guy. May your wife rest in peace and may your life follow the high road. Godspeed

@AllenChandler-jx2uf 4 месяца назад

I was working in CATCC, when this happened. We used up almost all of our AFFF. We went into port for less than 48hrs before we went back out.

@fastsheep3964 4 месяца назад

Thank you Warda. It's very sad for those people who died and for theur families

@anabasis3144 4 месяца назад

BT1 instructor at Orlando RTC in 1990 told my class that he and many others would openly smoke hashish on deck of the USS Forrestal in the 1970s. The Navy knew plenty of its personnel were not drug free.

@KLFaber 4 месяца назад

I was in college in the Fall of '80 when I met a G.I. Bill student who had served aboard the Nimitz. I asked him if there were any drug proplems on the ship. He said: The only problem relating to drug - was when the sailors couln't get them. Dang.

@brikilian7834 4 месяца назад

Brompheniramine is one of those medications that we're finally learning affects people differently. For some, a low dose will plant them on their rear; others won't notice any effects after taking a double or triple dose.

@foodank_atr817 4 месяца назад

An important part of being at the top of any craft or skill, is recognizing and acknowledging when you're not up to the task at the moment.

@t.c.2776 4 месяца назад

In 1971 the Military offered a Drug Amnesty program... If you turned yourself in and confessed you had a drug problem, before you were caught, you would be sent to a Drug Rehab... upon satisfactory "completion" of the program you could request to remain in the service and be transferred to a new duty station or take an Honorable Under Medical Discharge... I was on a ship with 150 crew and I personally knew at least half the crew, including Officers, were using drugs or alcohol, or both... and that was on an ammunitions ship... and yes, I was one of the first 300 who entered the Rehab at Miramar NAS, San Diego... and there were more drugs in the rehab than were on the ship... interestingly there were no drug tests and you were allowed to go to the enlisted club 7 nights a week as there was no curfew... getting drunk was not restricted, so I quit drugs by turning into an alcoholic... LOL... so the focus on the Nimitz was drugs... how many were tested for alcohol? it was also well known that carrier deck crews were usually pumped up on amphetamines to keep them alert during dangerous operations...

@kevinjohnson-lf3kj 3 месяца назад

Before this incident...I served aboard USS Halsey CG23 West Pac 76-77 ..79-80...About 50% of crew..includingmyself smoked weed or took amphetamine as often as we could..We were young n partied hard on Liberty..Tuff Lesson in life..66 Now ...Cant believe I'm still alive.

@rElliot09 4 месяца назад

Landing at night on the boat, was tough as shit when completely free of any and all meds, drugs. I could not imagine being under the influence of anything. A fellow Naval aviator I knew, during my career, popped positive for cocaine. Needless to say, his flying career ended.

@benjaminperez7328 4 месяца назад

LT Richard “Superfreak” James?

@surlyogre1476 4 месяца назад

Point-of-clarification: In the US Army and USAF "Captain's Mast" is known as _Article 15 - non-judicial punishment_ . Military members and veterans will know this, but not every viewer does.

@johnstreet7656 4 месяца назад

NJP or "Office Hours" in the Corps.

@surlyogre1476 4 месяца назад

@@johnstreet7656 thank you for clarifying. I, naively thought USN, USMC and USCG used the same terminology. Pardon my ignorance.

@johnstreet7656 4 месяца назад

@@surlyogre1476 All the same a the end of the day.

@arkwill14 4 месяца назад

Ah, so THIS was the reason I had the pleasure of a waking up to somebody beating on the doors in the barracks, yelling "Get up! Piss test!" at 5 AM on random days back in the 90's.

@usaturnuranus 4 месяца назад

Interesting to see the progression of military drug testing after my time. I was active 4 years, 75 - 79, and although there was some very limited screening back then, neither myself nor any of my fellow enlisted buddies ever got tested. The story going around back then was that the military was starving for FNGs following VN, draftees were ETSing in droves, and they would rather have dealt with a "little" pot smoking than scare off the rest of the potential volunteers. Besides, they were already experts at dealing with the alcoholics who pretty much comprised the bulk of the senior enlisted ranks since...like, forever.

@ianoconnor1515 4 месяца назад

As an Australian I have heard story’s of Australian pilots refusing to take speed, and the us airforce refusing to let them fly.

@ron.7105 4 месяца назад

I remember this! Jan 1975, I was in boot camp in San Diego, guys more senior to us who already graduated, walked back from liberty staggering by our barracks patio outside, obviously high. Going to school in Memphis, checking into the barracks, the windows were fully opened, and a large navy fan was blowing the air out the window to get rid of thick clouds of weed. I had to assume this was normal and I didn't even bother to say anything even in squadron later. Yes it was a big problem and felt pretty good with the random sampling except for the time I used the restroom before quarters, had my number called and couldn't go for another couple hours. Some poor guy had to shadow me! 😅

@charlesmoore1762 4 месяца назад

That's funny!

@pallidustigris Месяц назад

When drug testing has to take the place of professional integrity, then the problem is far greater than the drug use itself.

@fabirkemarian6370 Месяц назад

💯🎯👍

@Subgunman 4 месяца назад

Had a friend who did a stint aboard the Kennedy in his time in the Navy towards the end of the 70’s and he had told me that some pilots would snort Coke at the moment of a cat launch. They were quoted as saying it was the best way to get it "slammed into their head" on launch. He did mention that pot use on board the ship was quite common. He also mentioned about some accidents that were covered up due to drug use as well.

@KCLIBURN-mj9qx 3 месяца назад

I seriously doubt that. No naval aviator that I'd even heard of would be caught DEAD doing that if they still wanted to get some joystick time. Any NFO I knew considered professionalism and competency to be THE thing. Don't even think about it.

@AZREDFERN 4 месяца назад

The 80's really was a wild era.

@JonathanReed1970 4 месяца назад

Retired AD Air Force and one thing I learned...well two things...1. It isnt random (I have a hard time believing it) and 2. If you can piss with an "inspector" staring at your "wee wee", you can piss anywhere and more importantly, any time. Hey, at least I gave the inspector the honor of holding it since he was so fascinated with it. RIP to the sailors and their families. As I joke about my past experience, random drug testing was a necessary tool to keep and ensure everyone mission ready.

@charlesmoore1762 4 месяца назад

LOL -- As a boy back in the '50s, I visited my doctor one day and he handed me a cup and told me to pee in it. I told him I didn't have to go. He replied (and I'll never forget his words), "A man or a dog ... always got one squirt left." It wasn't much more than a squirt, but I did pee. (This was not about drugs (1953).) I can hear him now -- man or dog. 🙂

@MysticalDragon73 4 месяца назад

I didnt know you were in the gw. I was onboard her during her maiden cruise in 94 into 95. I Caught a cod out to her when operating in the box off bosnia.2 days after i got onboard we had the fuel sponson fire that nearly ended our cruise it was scary as i was fresh out of bootcamp and had seen the forrest fire and oriskany fire vids. I was g3 bomb assembly so was relatively safe but it was still stressful. When i moved into aircraft structures i got to attend aircraft welding school because our welder popped for pot and was discharged because of it. Wonderful video as always.

@txoilfield 4 месяца назад

One of my best friends (RIP BRAD) was stationed onboard the CV-64 in the 1980-1984 time period. He told me that drug usage was rampant and widespread on board the Constellation at that time period. I had no reason to doubt him.

@hilaigofast1053 4 месяца назад

So many stories about Navy drug testing. Had a chief pop positive 4 times. He beat it every time. Around the same time I was temdu at Sub Squadron 16 for about 6 months. Every month the Squadron would have to text x number of people. The temdu guys always got it. So much for randomness. And finally, Van Halen was coming to town in '86 so I arranged an unofficial trip to the concert. Twenty-six of my fellow sailors went to the show that night. Of the 26, I was the only one not smoking weed. So much for the program being effective.

@KCLIBURN-mj9qx 3 месяца назад

Yeah, it's not random as they state. I once knew an E6 popped on a urinalysis but guess what? No NJP or court martial, just a record entry. Furthermore this first class electronics tech worked in the crypto lab onboard CV66. You know, can you say 'crytptotechnical communications? I also knew an E5 at a certain NAS whose method of not getting caught on piss tests was to drink a lot of water. HHmmmm, isn't that funny. It sure is a way of targeting people who piss them off. They have their ways and means in the U S Military. They use it for whatever they want.

@thelarry6864 4 месяца назад

In "81" I was on the Connie. Remember this shit show very well. And along come the random Whizz Quiz's by lottery as you stated, last digit in your SSN. We booted a lot of Squids who popped dirty once the "3 Strikes" you're out program was halted. When "Zero" tolerance (not Officer hater kinda Zero tolerance), was put in place the Fleet took a pretty good hit. But it never stopped. Everybody from Seaman Recruit Baffarada, to Senior Chief Pulver, up to a few 03's I knew all brought dope and booze aboard. Fact. It never stopped during my tour 80-90.

@Joe_VanCleave 4 месяца назад

My brother was a VF41 plane captain on the Franklin Roosevelt when, after his aircraft landed, the pilot said “Van, there’s a roach under the seat, get it before the green shirts find it.” My brother replied “But sir, I know the boat is full of roaches, up the plane too?” To which the pilot, flipping up his aviator glasses, looked him in the eyes and said “Van, there’s a roach under the seat!”

@Paladin1873 4 месяца назад

The Air Force was still conducting Operation Golden Flow when I was assigned to the Pentagon in the early to mid 2000s. As an example of how seriously senior leadership took the issue, a coworker of mine was called while attending an offsite meeting and told to report to the clinic to give a urine sample. He finished the meeting and went directly to the clinic, but upon arrival was informed he had failed to show up within the allotted time limit and he was now subject to legal action. In the end he received a counseling letter that did not enter his permanent record.

@M1A1cavalryman 4 месяца назад

In Speed and Angels, when Slick is doing her first night CQ in the Tomcat, from just before the ball call until they touchdown, Squeaky is in the back saying, "600, 700, 600, 600, 600, 700..." What is she telling Slick, please?

@Medevicerep 4 месяца назад

I was stationed in Okinawa at the time of this mishap and the resulting “zero tolerance “ order from the SECNAV. This was the first use of the phrase now commonly used for a variety of situations. I had the dubious honor of being the “battalion piss officer” on several occasions. Not a pleasant task.

@randykelso4079 4 месяца назад

...the things we did for the cause of freedom.

@ssmt2 4 месяца назад

I remember when this happened. I was Missile Technician in the Navy from 1979 until 1986. Drug use was rampant throughout the Navy when I first enlisted. By the tail end of 1980 I had finished up with my “A” and “C” schools and had reported to a submarine. I knew quite a few of my shipmates were getting high on a regular basis, both in port and underway. The first drug test that was done after the accident involved everyone on the boat. We all pissed in a bottle but there was no identifying information on the sample bottle. We were told that the Navy wanted to get a baseline number just to get an idea of how many people were using drugs. We were also told that the next test was going to have our social security number on the bottle and that anyone that came back positive would be sent to Captain’s Mast. I know that a lot of people quit using right then and there but a few people still got busted. Reduction in rank, loss of pay, and restricted duty plus being booted out of the submarine service and sent to the surface fleet, which resulted in the loss of submarine pay. It amazed me that people risked losing all of that just to get high. The worst one that I ever witnessed was a First Class Missile Tech with 12 years in that was up for Chief. He came back positive and was busted down to Second Class. He tested positive again and was busted down to Third Class Petty Officer. He tested positive AGAIN and was busted down to Seaman and was booted out of the Navy. 12 years down the drain just because he wanted to smoke weed. I still shake my head at that one.

@AA-xo9uw 4 месяца назад

"Marine Corps helicopters" Navy RH-53Ds. The Marines were ordered to leave the CH-53Ds they had spent months training with and fine tuning in the States. Just another variable in the Charlie Foxtrot plan developed for Operation Eagle Claw.

@adamkillpack7513 4 месяца назад

The first time i saw my father cry, he got the call his best friend from childhood had died while landing on the Nimitz. Larry Cragun

@regiefarr3033 Месяц назад

Cragun

@adamkillpack7513 Месяц назад

@@regiefarr3033 Thank you. geez, i lived next door to his parents for years.

@johnpeschke7723 3 месяца назад

As usual Ward, a beautifully written narrative. Thanks.

@TonyMichaels166 4 месяца назад

Nearly two thirds of pilots used amphetamines during Desert Shield. More than half would do so during Desert Storm. Benzodiazepines were used to help pilots “come down” after combat and night flights.

@buckfutter99 4 месяца назад

Ah yes, the same military that will put you in jail for a month then kick you out but will also prescribe you Ativan, ambien, and seroquel at the same time.

@Dadzilla2 4 месяца назад

Holy cow, time in service for me was 79 - 83, spent 80 to 83 on America. Loved that ship. I remember the drug testing very well. But the weird thing for me was that the last digit of my social (4) was never called while on board. Every time we left a ports a call they would do the drug testing, but never once was I asked to head down to the master of arms for testing. I never did or do drugs to this day. I always had guys wanting me to try helping them to pass their drug testing if called. I refused and besided I don't think they would of been able to pull it off. I'm sure if they did get caught I would some how get mixed up in them getting busted. It was their problem not mine. Spent my time parking planes of the flight deck in V1 mostly in fly 3. Loved what I did, and of course would do it all over again. Thank you for sharing these videos, I've shared them with my shipmates they find them just as fun to watch.

@Westwoodshadowgaming 3 месяца назад

brompheniramine causes delirium. I'm amazed he was even able to fly at all. he was basically benadryl tripping while flying. You shouldn't even try to operate a bike, or your own legs, while on high doses of deliriants. Absolutely insane.

@justinegorski2703 4 месяца назад

My ex husband reported onboard Nimitz May of 82 and used to talk about how there was always hashish to be found when in Naples Italy on liberty. Noone would bring it back onboard but many would smoke on liberty.

@justinegorski2703 4 месяца назад

He said while deployed he didn't smoke but during drydock in Newport News he did along with plenty of others to get through the daily routine of painting and the other mundane jobs they had to do.

@TomFarrell-p9z 4 месяца назад

I was in college on an AF ROTC scholarship. You bet I stay'd away from marijuana! Last thing I wanted was to lose that scholarship! Didn't own a car and alcohol was fine in those days.

@LordHolley 4 месяца назад

I'm just amazed that people would even entertain getting "elevated" while handling such equipment. I mean, do what you want on your personnel time when you're not risking others' lives!

@glenwoodriverresidentsgrou136 4 месяца назад

Wow. My takeaway is that one hit by an enemy round could have devastating effects on carrier operational capability.

@roderickcampbell2105 4 месяца назад

Some of these stories hurt, Ward. But they are always welcome.

@garymackey850 4 месяца назад

Drug use was so pervasive then....I was on a ship that went thru shock trails in 1978 (Key West). Ship did ok during the first 3 but on the fourth one, one of the things that happened was the overhead tiles on the mess deck fell. I guess that was the area of storage for everyone's dope....it was ridiculous how much dope was recovered amongst the debris. Never had a problem with any procedures implemented after that to rid my Navy of drugs....//

@bricaaron3978 4 месяца назад

*"...and convinced that drug use was rampant throughout the military, and regardless of what his Navy secretary was telling him about whether or not it contributed..."* The fact that six of fourteen crewmen tested positive for weed in an effectively random test makes the assumption --- or at least fear --- that recreational drug use was rampant throughout the military 100% legitimate. *"...he was concerned that marijuana use by [servicemen] was a threat to national security and readiness."* As one who used to smoke marijuana recreationally, I believe that anyone who disagrees with the preceding statement is either ignorant or a fool.

@wfjhDUI 4 месяца назад

Admittedly, it surprises me too that as many as six out of fourteen tested positive for marijuana, especially considering they knew they were liable to be drug tested. That said, it's still ridiculous to make a big deal out of it. A lot of young men smoke weed on the weekends. It's common and it has been for a very long time.

@bricaaron3978 4 месяца назад

@@wfjhDUI *"...especially considering they knew they were liable to be drug tested."* They _weren't_ drug screened before that incident, though. Am I mistaken?

@Emophiliac2 4 месяца назад

While working as a civilian programmer at Lemoore, I got to write a program to select who was to be drug tested. My first test pulled up an admiral (not sure if that was COMLATWINGPAC - hey, I was a civilian!). I decided to keep testing. (I couldn't begrudge him much since I got to do some extra A7 simulator landings when he showed up to watch) Good ol' VFA-125.

@inspector4133 4 месяца назад

Great video. Factual, informative and eminently watchable. Thanks very much. Sad memories of this incident.

@Deltawhiskeymike 4 месяца назад

You know how when you go bowling, the machine secludes the standing pins, and then wipes the lane of the fallen pins, and subsequently lowers the good pins back to the lane....(aircraft carriers need to have a feature like that)

@randykelso4079 4 месяца назад

Nah, it would be too tough to roll a strike in heavy sea states. 😂

@oceanmariner 4 месяца назад

I served during and in Vietnam. Drug use was rampant. There was no testing. I had the misfortune to be transferred to a DLG, later called a CG. It was difficult to find someone below chief that wasn't smoking something. It was pointless to report or write up any drug user. The captain was more worried about how it would look on his record than controlling at sea drug use. The reporter often had a worse time than the drug offender. I couldn't wait to get off that ship and out of the navy.

@randykelso4079 4 месяца назад

Thank you for that testimony, Chief. I served as an airedale on a carrier on Yankee Station in '65; never knew of any drug use aboard or ashore. Made E- 5 but declined to ship over when my release from active duty time rolled around. Years later I was glad I had not reenlisted after hearing about the proliferation of drugs in the Navy. But thank you for serving our country under challenging conditions.

@gregsutton2400 2 месяца назад

You are a gem sir.

@markgayle8667 4 месяца назад

Thanks for this. Highly interesting.

@davidconley6267 4 месяца назад

Never knew that. I was in VF-211 from 80-86. 3 Westpacs, and hash, weed and raisin jack was easily accessible at sea. I never even wondered why I had about 30 piss tests in my 6 years. The worst was rolling the dice coming back aboard from liberty to see if you got strip searched. Luckily only once for me. Good analogy of a question I never thought to ask. Thanks for your service.

@gaoxiaen1 4 месяца назад

Raisin jack= headache in a cup.

@Budabaii 3 месяца назад

Dude was robotripping while trying to land on a ship at night. Christ.

@7thsealord888 4 месяца назад

Interesting stuff. I recall there being news reports around that time, regarding drug use on the USS Nimitz, but had no idea of the tragic full story.

@marcmeinzer8859 4 месяца назад

Wide scale drug testing in the navy predated this accident. The main change to the program subsequently was the inclusion of marijuana in the urinalysis screening. There had already been tests other than urine testing which could detect marijuana but such tests were prohibitively expensive for mass testing especially in an era when the majority of enlisted sailors were known to be routine smokers of either marijuana or hashish. But clamping down on marijuana when it was the victims of the crash and not the perpetrators who had smoked cannabis is kind of ridiculous. But then I’ve been on submarines where stoners were in some cases extremely annoying to fellow shipmates and to such a degree that it was not unheard of for stoners to go rat out other stoners just to get rid of them as obviously, not all stoners were getting high on duty or approved of same.

@KRK5133 4 месяца назад

On Nimitz from 75-77. We occasionally would have drug dogs do a search while stateside.....they never failed to find something.

@Jan-hx9rw 4 месяца назад

We had drug screening in the Army from at least the summer of 72 through 79 that I'm personally aware of. Every day, they pulled a number from 00 through 99, and if your SSAN ended in those two digits, you had to be tested within 24 hours. The random selection ended when you turned 26, but if a unit was directed for a mass urinalysis, everyone, regardless of age or rank, was tested.

@pi.actual 4 месяца назад

I was Navy enlisted from '72 to '76 so no drug testing but it wasn't as if they were lax about it, it was still illegal. The random testing frenzy under Reagan however spread to the civilian sector, first the DOD then the DOT and grew to be a giant industry unto itself that still exists today. IMO people just ended up drinking more.

@craigstarling4704 4 месяца назад

Weed does NOT impair you like Alcohol does. The weed back in those days was at most 3 to 5 % THC, Not 30 or 40 % and way beyond like it is now. I think the Pilot who was not ready for what he was doing, Crashed and the Navy found a way to "Scapegoat" in a pilot who was not ready yet.

@ictpilot 4 месяца назад

I was active duty 79-83 and they were doing drug testing before this.

@dennisclapp7527 4 месяца назад

Thanks Ward.

@vernonnorfleet2292 4 месяца назад

My Squadron was random Drug testing in 1980. I remember my first random test the year was 1981. I reported to the Base Hospital and provided a sample. I remember my words to the tech. " this drug testing thing is going to spread to the civilian population." His response was that there was no way civilians would be random drug tested because it violated unreasonable search and seizure and it was unconstitutional." We see how that played out. I was honorably discharged in 1983 and for sure I was random tested 2-3 times until my separation from the USAF.

@talon2pro 4 месяца назад

Sir, that was an impressive explanation of the drug screen program. I also believed that it significantly lowered the amount of recreational drug use in the service. The insensitive-munitions information was a great idea for mitigating the causal effects of the live munitions "cooking off" during the mishap series.

@twva126 4 месяца назад

11 times the recommended dose “May have” contributed? Thats like saying fentanyl “may be” bad for you if not taken as direct 😂😂

@fabirkemarian6370 Месяц назад

Or lead bullets may cause toxicity and possible fatality 😅👍

@stephenludlum9746 2 месяца назад

Unfortunately, it didn't stop all drug use. I was stationed on a Navel Airbase in the early 80s in the Naval Security Force, and we had a few pilots get popped for drugs or flying intoxicated from alcohol. Then on base, I was at found the drug testing officer was switching piss tests for his friends so they weren't get caught.

@chashint1 4 месяца назад

I was an E5 in the Navy '77-'83. Smoking marijuana was prevalent to the point that it was easier to count the people that did not do it than those that did. There was some cocaine use too and 'crystal' was beginning to show up. There was plenty of advance warning in regard to the upcoming drug testing program and most stopped getting high. On the USS Oldendorf there was nothing random about the first test, 100% of the crew and officers was tested. Up until the time testing started, I never thought of marijuana being 'addictive' but as the date approached several of my guys had not stopped and I tried to talk to them about it, for the most part they were good professionally competent sailors, but they couldn't stop using pot even after multiple NJP's. After my enlistment was up I worked at a defense contractor and drug use there was probably worse than the Navy, because of the higher income cocaine was widely used on top of marijuana. Shortly after going to work there drug testing was implemented in a very similar fashion to the Navy's testing program. Some people resigned as the first round of testing was immanent and I knew some that were 'busted' and fired. At the company I worked for the testing eliminated use of marijuana.

@randykelso4079 4 месяца назад

Similar experience. Worked for a defense contractor after serving in the Navy. "Random" drug testing was done there with the test subjects being supposedly randomly selected "by a computer". During a period of time when I was suffering with severe sinus allergy problems but not wanting to take even over-the-counter drugs, I went to work with a red face and bloodshot eyes for months. And I was "randomly" selected to pee in the cup nearly every month! No, I never told anybody about my sinus problems because they never asked. I have never used any drugs other than those prescribed by a doctor, and I don't like to use even those. I always, without fail, passed the company drug tests. I guess some of the leadership had trouble understanding why. Retired there after three decades.

@matthewsecord7641 Месяц назад

Stopping at 7:18. Joseph Aaddabbo Sr. Did he ever serve?

@sarnieken 4 месяца назад

Another quality video. Keep it up.

@handy335 4 месяца назад

An excellent and informative video. Thank you, sir.

@warpdriveby 4 месяца назад

I'm a neuroscientist and used to work in drug and alcohol dependence treatment, I have a pretty permissive position on most forms of chemical recreation by responsible adults, but I have to agree with the idea that active duty service members should be limited to short acting and/or low perpetual alteration options. I'd rule out marijuana too on board ships or during any training or deployment. That said it shouldn't be any issue if done on leave, before joining, or on any extended furlough type of situation, it's overall the most innocuous of the "drugs" we are concerned with, alcohol is far far worse and creates much more profound problems, but only when out of control. Supersonic fighters, 5" guns or 20mm cannon, tomahawks, and Jdams need to be operated by sober individuals, but our troops deserve to safely blow off steam too.

@chadmensa 4 месяца назад

As a former enlisted sailor I can tell you with a fair amount of certainty that you did not eradicate drug use in the squadron. However, those programs definitely do help. They catch the stupid people who do drugs at the wrong times(such as anytime but off duty), and are likely to cause accidents.

@L8nitedave 4 месяца назад

My uncle was THE marine who held Liberty bridge to Hill 55 the night before tet while severely wounded and lieing on top of another wounded marine. He was up for the MOH. He did not get that. The reason is he was AWOL. His tour had ended hours before. From the tarmac on Hill 55 the afternoon before , instead of getting on the transport home he decided to run out to the bridge to celebrate going home with his buddies with some tystick. (tystick is a very potent strain of marijuana that gained prominence in the early days of Vietnam) He was honorably discharged, very highly decorated and retained any benefits he had coming but his body and mind were mangled, only lived a tortured and pain soaked few years after that.

@gaoxiaen1 4 месяца назад

*Thai stick

@davidlewin2744 4 месяца назад

Excellent presentation

@AlanToon-fy4hg 4 месяца назад

Wasn't an inhaler found in a pocket of his flight jacket as well?

@bryonslatten3147 4 месяца назад

9:45 Had several marijuana busts aboard the USS Truxtun from '90-'94 but, as I recall, only about half were administratively separated under General Conditions (no OTH discharges) which converted to Honorable Discharge after about 4 years, similar to a mental health discharge. A couple of my shipmates showed me their separation paperwork. All those I knew who were separated were kicked out because they had security clearance jobs. Boatswains Mates, Mess Specialists, and other non-security rates were normally given a warning along with their reduction in rank, loss of pay, and restriction (30/30) but were allowed to stay in after the first bust. The Navy liked to talk tough about its zero-tolerance policy but the reality of Americans and marijuana make that policy unsustainable from a personnel replacement standpoint, unless you don't want to tie the boat to the pier, have lookouts, or make food.

@d.m.3645 4 месяца назад

It always amazes me how the military is death on some drugs but turns a blind eye to alcohol use. If they did random breathalyzer tests on people they would catch a lot more dangerous individuals who are impaired.

@AlanToon-fy4hg 4 месяца назад

At the time I retired from the Guard both the unit commander and 1SG had drinking problems. In the old Army many bad habits were rewarded...

@JamesPruden-g7f 2 месяца назад

Every time the USS Constellation CV64 left liberty port there was at least a 36 hour safety standown to let everyone sober up. Being young bored and only let off the boat once in a while leads to excessive consumption. This was 80-82, don't doubt it is still policy.

@scallopohare9431 2 месяца назад

Ya gotta have something to get a, mmm, different perspective. I say this having almost lost an eye to a barracks brawl. The SSgt was known to be a mean drunk, and did not even live in our barracks. So, I would say the real problem was negligence in squadron command. (Not even sure he got counseling after the incident.)

@bradmaas6875 4 месяца назад

That impressed the boss. When did they stop random drug tests?

@wxmanthunder 4 месяца назад

And thus began my many years of occasionally being called upon to be urinalysis NCO or "cock watch" as it became euphemistically termed. How many times I had to repeat, "I don't care how "bladder shy" you are, I have to see the stream as it enters the cup. Keep trying." 😂

@CBell-dh2qf 4 месяца назад

This is also why all federal employees and contractors must be a drug-free workplace since 1987.

@dblgonzo 4 месяца назад

I was in Vf143 when they rolled this policy out. There were some people sweating it. From what I understand at first, they picked two numbers and then everyone matched the last number of SSN. Took the wiz quiz. Then at the lab they would pull out a random number of bottles and destroy the rest. So it was truly a random test. When we left on deployment 0 and 1 were called then 2 &3 then 4&5 and so on until everyone on board was tested. They tested 100% of those samples. I am not sure when the punishment was changed. At first, if you have a good record and were not deployment you would get slap on the hand for your first one and then NJP 45&45 with a reduction in rank and 1/2 month pay for two months. On your 3rd you were kicked out. At sea, it was one and done. Not long after this is was a ZERO tolerance and you were gone no matter your record unless you had a rock-solid scientific reason you tested positive. When I had to escort sailors to captain's mast I actually heard a female sailor tell her CO that she tested positive because her boyfriend smokes (non-Military) and she gave him head and swallows. I could see the CMC shake like Jello trying not to laugh. Nothing like admitting to a UCMJ violation trying to get out of another UCMJ violation.

@richardharris4162 4 месяца назад

When I joined the Navy in 1974 drugs were popular and seen everywhere, even using weed out in the open, in view of all. Drugs sold on the street outside the Naval Bases, Florida. In 1974 I saw enlisted sailors smoking dope on the deck of the Lexington in port Pensacola, FL. It took a few yrs to clean it up and get rid of the doppers and reestablish discipline. Raised recruiting the standards and things got better. We left Vietnam in 1975 and started programs cleaning up the military.

@kennykash6089 4 месяца назад

I got hit with every battalion piss test. Every one. Now, I know why we had so many. Good job navy.

@spoonikle 4 месяца назад

As a weed lover - Nobody on a Carrier should be smoking.

@kb9bny 4 месяца назад

Thanks Ward

@ericjane747 4 месяца назад

I went through EA6B training in the same graduating class with Steve. Marine pilots did not have to Carrier Qualify in the Prowler before graduation which was a HUGE mistake on leadership's part.I do not remember if they even did any FCLP. Going to the boat in the Prowler is critically important because you have to deal with an extreme roll angle of the lens to compensate for the very high Hook to Eye distance and the Rooster Tail among all the other factors you do not experience in FCLP. I remember saying farewell to him and asked him how he felt about not going to CQ when he was leaving Whidbey and I was going to the boat the next week. He was respectful of knowing what we would have to do to graduate. So IMHO, the mishap was due to 5 main factors. #1 Prowler Roll angle makes glideslope information useless unless you are on centerline which forces the pilot's scan to get fixated. #2 If I recall there was no centerline lighting as there is on runways, so he mistook the right threshold as centerline after fixating on trying to discern glideslope from LSO novercompensating the right for line up do to the angled deck. #3 NO CQ at Whidbey. #4 Command pressure to be a Hacker. #5 the excessive med dose which is tied to #4. RIP all that lost their lives that evening. I was on cruise on another ship at that time. Steve was a good and likeable person and a dedicated respectable Marine. Please remember him as trying to do his best for his country.

@steveturner3999 4 месяца назад

Thanks for your perspective.

@Riverplacedad1 4 месяца назад

Very interesting…didn’t have to go to the ship in order to graduate. Who would have thought. But I could see back then the standards seemed different. While I was going thru night equals in the A7 on the Connie, I had the opportunity to watch some Marine F4s get some traps. It was colorful

@NiSiochainGanSaoirse 4 месяца назад

This is without a shadow of a doubt the most measured, pragmatic, and honest testament I think I've ever heard. God bless you for sticking up for Steve. He was serving his country. That's what matters.

@lisanadinebaker5179 4 месяца назад

Semper Fi. My condolences for the loss of your classmate and friend. And to all of us for the deaths of good Marines and Sailors. As long as we speak their names, they are not truly lost to us.

@ericjane747 4 месяца назад

@@michaelmappin4425 Now it does because of this accident if I recall correctly the conversations in the ready room of what was going to change.

@chrismaverick9828 4 месяца назад

The moral of the story goes beyond just the military: If peoples' lives depend on your mental state, don't be high, drunk, impaired, etc. This includes driving to the grocery store as much as tanking or landing an aircraft. A lapse of concentration, a few feet of drift to the left to cross the center-line, and you're driver to driver with a semi or van full of children.

@MavHunter20XX 4 месяца назад

like that concrete truck that hit the school bus, he was high on cocaine

@cruisinguy6024 4 месяца назад

THC can show on a urine test many days after any neurological effects have stopped. Just because someone tests positive does not mean they are in any way cognitively altered. If a sailor happened to be standing near a missile that cooked off as he was fighting a fire it’s asinine to insinuate his death was drug related. Unfortunately because there is so much fear mongering around drugs, specifically marijuana (for this the Reagans deserve MUCH blame), it’s hard to have an honest discussion as a society. If someone is impaired, be it illegal drugs, alcohol, prescription drugs, or even over the counter drugs then they’re impaired. The problem is all too many people focus on the mere presence of illegal drugs in one’s system and totally ignore all the people driving around impaired by prescription drugs, sleep deprivation, and other causes. Anyway, in this case the issue was *over* medication that caused all those deaths and it’s hardly the first time a doctor prescribed non narcotic lead to a disaster. Unfortunately Nancy started foaming at the mouth as soon as she heard THC so a sensible solution could not be found. Ps, the drug he was taking is more commonly known as Dimetapp, an antihistamine. Like many antihistamines a low dose is completely safe but there is a sedative or cognitive effect which increases significantly as the dose is increased. A Pilot impaired by an over the counter medic that’s been around for decades, with no THC in his system, took out many sailors (with a positive THC result) strictly because of their dumb luck to happen to be on the flight deck.

@mattwilliams3456 4 месяца назад

⁠@@cruisinguy6024onboard the sailors needed to be ready to perform in an emergency 24/7 so them being high at any point was a risk. Without being there we can’t say that crew performing damage control and the cleanup following the first fire weren’t at their peak because of smoking earlier and might have missed the opportunity to prevent or mitigate the loss from the munitions cook off. It’s ok to admit pot use can be dangerous.

@brianhaygood183 4 месяца назад

@@mattwilliams3456The rampant denial of its effects both short and long term (psychoses, primarily) is absurd. People really just think it is OK to be incapacitated whenever or wherever. We have a terribly irresponsible society.

@pctshooter 4 месяца назад

And, they have made Mary Jane legal in so many states and people drive with it.😡😡😡😡

@CosmasNDamian 4 месяца назад

As a flight surgeon myself, I would wonder if the mishap investigation found fault with the wing F/S who prescribed the brompheniramine to a DIACA officer without simultaneously issuing a grounding chit.

@flparkermdpc 4 месяца назад

I think the CNS Effects of antihistamines is greatly underestimated by the public, and it's non narcotic status is a bad joke and misleads the user into thinking he/she is mentally sound. I've had doses of narcotics intravenously in recovery rooms after surgery after which I was far more competent than after a single 25 MG benadryl capsule. The so-called war on drugs is also full of nonsense, bureaucratic bloat, and hypocrisy. How is it that bureaucratic "wars" are never victorious in a " problem solved" solution.

@Skank_and_Gutterboy 4 месяца назад

Yeah, I was kinda wondering about that. The video did mention that the days of pilots being very self-policing and medical letting them self-prescribe came to a quick end. I would say this pilot fell into that trap, he was pounding the cough-medicine like he was instructed to "take this until you feel better".

@larrymcgill5508 4 месяца назад

This was back in a time of “there are no old, bold pilots, only wise old pilots”. After this event, any illness with any medication is now requiring immediate grounding and only a FS up chit can get you back in the air, and whoa behold to they who transgress. That said, there are those who still bring their own cold and flu stash on board.

@mmeeozzzaaa3421 4 месяца назад

@@Skank_and_Gutterboy wow that's the polar opposite of my policy. I'm currently under treatment for two different types of cancers, so I've been given Dilaudid, as well as Oxycodone, and 600 mg Acetaminophen which needs to taken with food, and I've always had medicine left over.

@tequilastraightup595 4 месяца назад

I thought that too. I was a Parachute Rigger, and we had a direct line to the FS, we reported a few aircrew to the FS, he pulled them off the schedule real quick.

@C.Y.123 4 месяца назад

Thank God that there's not a long-term test for alcohol. We wouldn't have a military

@jackwalker9492 3 месяца назад

Its not like it used to be. I enlisted in 82 (Infantry) and we were hard drinking when not in the field. I retired in 2008 and that lifestyle had really diminished. DUIs were zero big deal if you were a good soldier back in the early days. Career ending stuff now.