This Discovery Almost Killed Goldeneye Speedrunning! 

It's not even really an exploit. He wasn't gaming the system by taking advantage of a beneficial bug or glitch. He was simply playing the game in an way that is not intuitive. Most of the people that got so upset about this were already using methods that were in fact exploits. The only difference was that the actual exploits they were all using still allowed them to play in what they could rationalize to themselves as a "normal" way. Speedrunning communities are an odd lot. They devote huge amounts of time searching for any and every exploit they can possibly find to shave milliseconds off of times. But they also tend to frown upon any method that makes it patently obvious that "tricks" are being used. It seems like they're at least equally as intent on concealing the fact that they're using exploits to the untrained eye as they are at actually getting fast times.

@@Rowgue51 I think it's more the fact that it's not as much fun to use, as well as the fact that they'd have to replay every level to get a new time with it. They effectively had to redo every performance they'd ever done, but while looking down, and they just really didn't want to. The whole "not okay" tricks are usually ones that are unfun and boring to use, though.

@@Iainofthemeteor Nothing about speed running is about having fun.

OK Boomer. _Blows up the neighborhood._

Hell yeah

Sipping on his zero sugar monster energy and knocking out a world record after mowing the lawn

fuck zoomers tbh

30+ year old boomer here sipping my zero sugar monster energy and mowing my lawn every saturday and then taking my vintage american muscle car for a spin while blasting AC/DC - I can confirm that zoomers will never understand

@@lexacutable booming is a choice now

@@chartreux1532 If you are just 30+ you are not a boomer LOL

that scene in my head was almost hollywood-comedy level, like throwing your contact info in someones face and walking away without saying anything else.

Lmao

ABSOLUTE CHAD

The best part is he wasn't even intentionally flexing or trying to make a "come at me bro statement" he just misunderstood the question.

Nigerian Princes:

"it makes it so we can't enjoy the beauty of the game" like a majority of speedruns don't try to skip and bypass as much of the game as possible

29 minutes ago

yes like aalmost butt naked link flying across Hyrule on a fucking pebble just to get some sweet Zelda booty within an in-game-day after a century-long sleep doesnt look stupid at all. like people got butthurt a fucktone here and sorry, but it's called speed running for a reason, that extra milisecond means alot. think MKWii times and the such, that millisecond could mean dropping into the next second, from maybe a time of 1 minute 58 to one minute 57

He could have conveyed it better, but I think the point he was actually trying to make was that staring at the ground is visually uninteresting. When you clip through the floor and the screen wraps or something like that, it's visually interesting and somewhat fun to watch. The whole point of staring at the ground the whole time in order to go faster is that you are seeing less, and thus rendering less. It's an entire strategy based around essentially making the game as boring as possible.

For real, people will glitch through the ground and through walls...they'll use movement and pause menu bugs and do things that cut out massive portions of content from the game...but god forbid you look down.

Imagine getting dabbed on by a boomer that can use technoledgy albeit weirdly but efficiently

Tadashi Yoshida - 作家 , then pounds a case of naddy lights

Hahahah.omfg.

I think this is the first time I've seen the term boomer used correctly on the internet. This guy was actually a boomer as he was born between 1946 and 1964. Amazing.

@@syretia551 you wont see this ever again. keep the moment precious.

lol the whole time I thought "What a bunch of crybabies"

Terkzorr definitely

@@Terkzorr same

@@Terkzorr Part of me is like "games get optimized all the time. Destiny raids are still getting optimized and, yeah, they haven't been out as long, but faster strats are always available." Another part of me is like "They have a point. They've poured most of their life into going through GE as fast as possible and some old geezer shows up with bad grammar and a dumb pun which turns out to just happen to be a revolutionary trick to getting a faster time on damn near every level in the game by at least a second? That's gotta sting."

what the fuck are you talking about no one hates him

i mean, this same exact thing happens any time new strategies are found, always some butthurt feelings

Also speedrunners: So the objective of my category is to make link, a child, look like he's smoking a whopper of a blunt!

Also Speedrunners: "I took 6 months to datamine the code to save 1 frame rule, then took 2 years grinding to actually save that 1 frame rule...30 months or 912 days or 21,888 hours to save .016 seconds...speedrunning ain't so fast after all"

The difference is, transcending the bounds of space and time is fun.

@@NoriMori1992 In your opinion. I don't even play Goldeneye but I'd 100% rather play a look down run than glitch through the floor to skip an entire level.

@@NoriMori1992 bro how tf is wasting your life looking for a glitch somehow better than having the skill to do all the shit without even looking? sorry if you were one of those assmad babies who couldn't do it lol

Wait, how'd he die?

Santino Lautaro Delgado Barrios probably from causes associated with old age

y he ded? :(

@@diothemaid Thanks.

Did he die? I know he’d be like 73 if he was alive today but that’s still below the normal life expectancy. EDIT: Just found a reddit comment linking to his obituary, he died at the age of 65. RIP, what a legend.

Even in death, he's looking down... please John, just quit it :)

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Speedrunning heaven

audible groan

O my gosh sigh lol

*Shifts Glasses* Uhm Akchually, At that time, there were no zoomers, just millenials possibly and Gen X people.

@@espicfh there were zoomers, they were all just under 2 years old.

@@espicfh Let's not let facts get in the way of a good joke 😅

Loser ☝️☝️

@@espicfh gen z begins in '97 so technically there were, but they were all like 7 years old lmao

Twigspeaker ba-dum-tissss

I'm dying inside at a even faster rate because of this, thanks alot

Nice...

Ha!

@@rinsatsuki3374 Hm, that was a week ago. Any updates on that? Are things looking up yet?

Down here, salt is a way of life

I'm glad I saw your comment, I tried to say almost the exact same thing, just much less eloquently. I deleted mine and upvoted yours.

ayayay!

I think they could make a nice profit by making their own saltblocks lol

I do agree though, it's a pain to run and it's not fun to watch this. You can't see anything

And it's pretty hilarious that he gave them his name, date of birth, and address in like his 3rd ever internet post.

you won

Well played sir

@Boba Fett Proper emulation would recreate the slow-down the console experiences. emulators that don't do this would not be viable for speedrunning.

wheedler another way to speed run a game is using emulators I’m included mini consoles because it’s technically a emulator. So u have to buy the original consoles and play it normally and speed runners hate it.

So, the looking down speed trick existed long before Fallout 76 was released.

I'd say Okay to that as well, does it really need a lengthier response?

Rents a U-haul lookin for booty all the while looking down

It's not that he doesn't get slang because he's old, it's that he wasn't an English speaker. He may have died in Chicago, but he probably wasn't born in the US. If you look at his posts, it's pretty clear that English isn't his native language. Young people today may be illiterate, but older people were educated, and if he'd been raised in the US, he'd have had better spelling and grammar.

- he actually stated he was from Burbank, Illinois in his post with his age and height. You can also tell he’s American by the SI system; 6’0 = 6ft 0in. Anyone across the pond would use the metric system for height. ijs…

@@MDSF9090 Yep saw that too

😂😂

i mean to be fair, the average non speedrunner would probably get mad at a lot of speedrunners methods, because of how complicated or "cheat like" they are. speedrunners are the opposite. they pride themselves in the complicated methods they find to save time, outside of just input accuracy in general. lookdown made the game the exact same, but just walks slightly faster. its like speedrunning minecraft with a bug that just... gives you a permanent potion effect for literally free. it would suck. while normal people dont like the super out of bounds heavy games like portal 1, or geared runs of borderlands 2, because they feel cheaty, to speedrunners, they just seem like important steps in speedrunning. abusing a camera-to-hitbox descrepency sounds awesome, and removing a lot of RNG from borderlands 2, and allowing for optimized movement with rocket jumping, just seems like a step in the right direction, forcing the games to be more input dependent and skill based, rather than just... a permanent speed boost.

Nice

"just look down 4head" "yeah okay grandpa whatever"

No, he mentioned it once and no one noticed, as it was in the middle of a bunch of other stuff, and then he mentioned it again and they tried it and found it worked.

@@turkeypedal no shit he was just summarizing it

@@turkeypedal Sometimes I wonder why people ignore certain parts of the sentences. There's NO WAY people didn't notice that he used these words.

Thanks I needed that laugh

This was the highlight of the video, what an absolute quote!

I am interested to know about that

I miss the early 2000s internet sometimes.

to be fair, speedrunners don't read the text. they do look at the game though

A lot of the time, those people are bending the rules and have to get it reviewed, too, even if it's ultimately accepted by the community. In any case, it doesn't ruin enjoyment of the game, it just makes it easier to play overall.

At least for a while I think, doom eternal runs had players use the console to bind jump to scroll wheel, which they had to do through console because the devs intentionally prevented you from doing it normally like in Doom 2016 because they knew it broke everything. I like a lot of speedruns, and think a majority of the community is great, but sometimes I do not get the way some of them think

its just boring to watch a run like that theres other examples in other games

But u could do diff catigores

@Koholos true. There are a lot of speedruns and speedrun categories which will look boring to people. I´ll give you one extra example for an extremely boring speedrun ... The Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess Low% Speedrun consists of quite a lot of hours of Link just staring at an item to glitch through a gate... the speedrun is about 24-25 hours long. with 75% of the speedrun taking place in that pop up message.

Not possible! You shouldve only been able to knock around 12.7 seconds off your best time! Im quitting!

I quit.

Markky no you only get 1 second per minute

Thank you! Im glad someone else said it.. I find it very odd it took a senior citizen to come along and tell pro speed runners about this lol I’m not no expert in how games work but I feel like I knew this as a kid

​@@mcjack7038 you guys had online pc games back in the 90's?

@@mrsmith1938 yes. even in the 1980's. its not that crazy how videogames and the internet existed in the 90's, who wouldve thought to put them together? heres a pat on the back for solving that case mrsmith.

@@mcjack7038 While people knew rendering more things on the screen causes lag, they did not know it also affects the in-game timer. Since GE speedrunners used in-game timer to compete, it was illogical to think that reducing the lag will get them faster runs. They would have found this method out much faster if they were using real time timer instead of in-game, because Bonds actually 'literally' moves slower when it's more laggy.

Do I get an award for the 69th like?

@@thesalad943 *N O*

@@thesalad943 69 isn’t fucking funny and you don’t deserve an award for something so idiotic

@@polipix_ ok boomer

john is truly a chad among boomers

1337n00binc what lol

A bunch of salty forum children mad that they didn't do it first.

Back then it wasn't nearly as common to see games broken as much as has been discovered today. Go look at 2002~ mario 64 runs and it is insane how much it has evolved. Use to be a mentality leaning towards a mostly glitchless playstyle, where as today people like that are laughed out of the community.

@@ExValeFor dude... do you know nothing about speedrunning? twingalaxies? shit like glitches were taboo for a LONG time (70s-2000s). Most people back then wanted every "legitimate" advantage they could get but wouldn't "cheat". however they defined those terms were both seemingly random and heavily influenced by Twin Galaxies official rule set. Took a long time for the communities to come around to the idea of using glitches.

Speedrunners must get high off all the drama and bickering that surely happens.

I'm very happy that he included the memorial/tribute line at the end.

LiloVLOG é um speedrunner/fã de speedruns??? Que boa surpresa hahaha

„My name is John Kaleta, a human being, definitely not Skynet messing with y‘alls truly“.

O Lilo curte um speedrun de goldeneye kkkkkkkk énois

That was my thought. I'm not a speedrunner, but I found it very cool that he shared his strategy with everyone else. He had to know that they could beat his times if they learned and utilized his strategy. He told them anyways.

Seriously.

In all fairness a lot of glitchless speedruns keep the integrity of the game. Even then theyre talking about the enjoyment of both the viewer and players.

@ierdnA adrecaL Understandable, don't have a great day

Here's the thing. When half the community would rather quit than be stuck with the new technique (as it's boring or frustrating) then you've got a major problem on your hands. When the alternative is letting the entire community die, banning or splitting it off into a new category bares consideration. The problem with this technique is that it's basically impossible to do either as it's impossible to qualify how much is deliberate and how much is just playstyle. There is no "line" to be drawn, and it's an entirely a matter of opinion what qualifies as doing it deliberately or even if someone is doing it accidently just as a matter of how they play.

Speedrun community makes no sense.

@@SvendleBerries HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ZOMG UR SO FUNY XDXDXDDDDDXDXDDDDD

@@SvendleBerries finally someone who isn't homophobic

Darkulla It's not homophobia it's just severe social deficit.

Sounds like they are whiny bitches to me.

@@DarkBykeTwitch Well I mean, not into speedrunning myself personally, since I prefer to play games at my own pace; but I can imagine the situation. Someone spends months, even years; perfecting a Level; learning the Ins and Outs, AI quirks; and everything and everything needed in order to get the best time. Run after run; thousands of attempts in order to break that record; so much to the point that they mastered the level and knew entirely how to do everything needed. This took time, effort, and tons of fails in order to get it right. They earn their world records through hard work, research, practice; and lots and lots of failure; in order to feel accomplished when they finally get it right. Then one guy discovers that by looking at the floor; you reduce lag and go faster; and now by complete accident; everyone can tie what previously took years of practice; just by looking at the ground and memorizing in their head when they need to turn or look up. This not only completely devalues previous runs; but makes all that effort in vein; just because a new trick; which isn't even that complicated was discovered; and now everyone is doing it because why the hell wouldn't you? Suddenly, it becomes less a speed run, and more a memory match game; and the fact that records getting broken aren't an amazing achievement; and more just a "Oh look, someone broke another record using Look down." With that said, I can understand why people didn't like this.

@@8Kazuja8 Yeah, it's clear many of the people in this videos comment section failed to realize this was back in 2002...

"The idea of optimizing lag by minimizing what actually shows up on the screen probably wasn't very well-understood back then" lol, pretty sure most PC players knew that, since computers developed so fast, they became outdated almost immediately compared to now (you can play a 2017 game on 2007 PC, but a 1997 PC couldn't run anything from 2000). So you were bound to play a game that makes your PC stutter. And literally first thing people do is move the mouse! xD What makes game lag was obvious. I just looked up and 2002 saw releases of TES3: Morrowind, Medal of Honor AA, Soldier of Fortune 2, Jedi Outcast, NOLF 2 and Battlefield 1942, all of those games had issues at most PCs of the day, and we tweaked the settings, lowered graphics and did other stuff to make framerate more bearable. Now then, PC games aren't tied to frames in speed, so the 0.1% console speedrunner crowd had very little overlap with 90% of kids that were trying to make Morrowind feel less like a slideshow, or hiding behind walls from the heavy lags during explosions in Medal of Honor.

@@KasumiRINA The whole point behind console speed running is to remove hardware as a factor (as much as you can anyway, see above video) and create a universal benchmark that anyone in the world can use and compete fairly with. It really wasn't till the rom scene and tool-assist started to pick up did people really start getting real deep into the nuts and bolts and noticing oddities. Most people also consider roms cheating because it does mess with that level playing field and some instabilities in the rom process can make glitches that just can't be used in a fair reliable way. There's a ton of respect and community that goes into these things and I don't think the scene would of made it pass a week if it just became super computer fps rom glitch-core fuck you WR seeking TL;DR: Sportsmanship

@@KasumiRINA I came to say the same thing. I myself discovered the advantage of looking down around the time GE look-down was reported, not in a speed running context, but in getting through areas of Everquest that had hundreds of players in them on an shitty old PC. I think it's a lot more common than people who only play on consoles realize, this is just the rare case where it actually had a noticeable, important effect. That said I can definitely see why it would hamper the feeling of the level playing field as RheubenRheuben mentions.

@@stevepittman3770 That's still quite a bit different though. If you can increase your framerate by 50% or more it's obvious and immediatlyy noticable. If you can increase your framerate by 1 or 2 frames it's barely noticable, especially when looking at the ground. And even of you noticed: since the community uses in game timing it's not even clear that increasing FPS will in any way influence the result. That relies on the specific time keeping method used in the particular game.

When a gramp can speedrun, he aint a noob ya know, but its sad that he died.

@@thechuckennoris5751 you can be a total speedrun expert and still misunderstand a colloquial term in a foreign / 2nd language.

@@Pengochan But he was born in Burbank, Illinois. He was American. Meaning that English was probably his first language. He probably mistook it the first time, or is a very literal person. Lots of reasons as to why he thought "nose to grindstone" meant look down.

Did he really misinterpret the idiom or did he think up a silly, albeit self-deprecating, backstory to his discovery? I don't know his history, but it's at least possible that he had a grasp of image rendering affecting processing speeds.

@Pengochan Part of being a good player is you grew up with every console prior to the N64 and thus instinctively knew its weaknesses. Even PC games suffer from huge lag spikes when you have too many complicated graphics calculations being performed all at once. For instance, Starcraft 1 would handle graphics way more efficiently than Starcraft 2, even though the technology was supposedly better. The software is just burdening the hardware with more work in an effort to make a more convincing visual experience, meanwhile being just as laggy and obnoxious to play as ever. As far as the story of putting your nose to the grindstone and what not.. he probably just assumed that everyone was instinctively on the same page about what was innately obvious to his sense of efficiency. Perhaps in some deeper philosophical sense there's a lecture about the relationship between wastelessness and quantity and liberty, but it's not his responsibility to have to verbalize everything that goes through his head in some flawless essay for others to play devil's advocate with as they peer-review his entire mind as if they're not jealous. He was older and wiser. It's just that simple. Everyone knew it at some subconscious level but let their biases distract themselves. He just proved everyone wrong is all. Just admit it.

Usually email baffles them... 😅

This. this is the comment I was waiting for

Heroes never die

Mhm, these are the people who make me want to stay the hell away from that community, despite there being a buncha nice people in there

so anything goes but looking down is banned? sorry but you guys acted like asses... just because someone else beat you to it...

@Puppet no, the connotation that they acted like kids because someone outside their circle found that technic before them

@Puppet they didnt like that some 55 yrd old granpa raped their record using a simple trick

coward

Nah, you could just potentially end up speedrunning through life.

I wonder if it works with COD games.

@80's Nostalgia Guy, maybe in old games. Modern systems have sufficient processing power to handle image rendering, especially when they're offline. Just think of everything they have to do to play online multiplayer, processing the actions of various other players and rendering them as NPCs, while at the same time processing and transmitting the actions of the controllers player(s). And there's generally more limitation from the router, cable modem, and internet network than from the consoles. Take it all offline and ignore other players and the console can easily handle the workload.

jj you made me laugh so hard I almost choked. 11/10

Good analogy.

They hated him because he told the truth

That's exactly what it is. Think about how common exploiting bugs or glitches is in speed running, and it's perfectly acceptable. I guarantee you had he not broke the record but still made this discovery known.. one of the record holders would use it to bring their time down.. and not a word would of been said. That's the reality, they are pissed off they lost their records, and they know they can't retake it so instead they try to find any excuse they can to invalidate the run. You know why they got so upset? Because a large majority of these record holders, those records are the only real accomplishments many of them have the feel they should be proud of. Something as hollow and meaningless as a record time in a videogame, is an accomplishment to be proud of. So many other better things one could accomplish in their live to be proud of... yet because they devote so much of their lives to speed running, those meaningless records are the only they really have. So when most of your existence is devoted to something that is meaningless, those hollow meaningless records suddenly mean everything

Warning: you will feel meaningless reading this comment

Nah, they could have just adapted and use the same strat as well but it really is no fun to play any game without seeing anything but the floor. I can understand that people weren't willing to spend their time, and I mean hundreds of hours, looking at a floor in a videogame. That's really the most boring thing I can imagine next to watching paint dry and watching grass grow. The runner community is usually quite thankful for any new strat and any new glitches. But that one just killed all the fun in the game.

@@Anonym-mh7sz they're still seeing parts of the game I don't see how it's much different when you're playing "8000 hours" of the same game anyway, at that point it may as well be a black screen cause it's the same shit every time.

@@Anonym-mh7sz That makes no sense. A speed runner should love this strat. You have to be good enough to do the maps partially blind. How is it not fun to take your knowledge learned from speed running and apply it to a strat that requires more skill?

@Destro you friggin millenials with your backward hats and rap music too loud

​@Destrosorry for making you feel pain. Yours hurt too.

pretty sure that was still generation X that were teenagers in 90s, lol

@@KasumiRINA Yes, it checks out. These days we have that online battle multiplayer game... ugh.

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The greatest achievements these people had is completing video game levels the fastest. 10,000 hours is enough to master any skill. These people chose to repeatedly play Goldeneye. You could MAKE Goldeneye nowadays with 10k hours of free time.

It was 2002, the concept of 'speedrunner' hardly existed

People in general are childish, if there was a similar change to a sport like football every 50 year old man across the nation would fill their adult diapers.

This but louder

@Marisa Nya This happened in swimming about 10 years ago. New suits were given to certain athletes, and suddenly world records were being destroyed by several seconds - even at very short distances. The suits were banned, the records were stripped from the athletes, and it hasn't been spoken about ever since.

and that is a fair argument. if it's not fun, there is 0 point in speedrunning. still, keleta needs to be in a hall of fame somewhere, not just for finding this out, but how he found it out.

@@theghostofthomasjenkins9643 He needs to be in a hall of fame for absolutely assblasting a whole community of old guard speedrunners

Yeah and so many people still rushed to the comments with bullshit like “haha silly golden eye players, wait til they learn that fallout players glitch warp” or something dumb like that. Completely missed the point.

@@GG-kn2se because people completely misunderstood why the technique was divisive

@dezessete Plus the whole point of speedrunning was having fun while doing it back then. You were not grinding while have a live chat to interact with. You were sitting in your room alone and spamming 1 minute run to only look at the ground must’ve been a pain.

as someone who has a nintendo 64 and goldeneye, i can confirm that it is indeed difficult

The funniest part is the "old guard" where kids and teens, while this "new guard" could have been their grandfather. Some of their posts were pure hilarity, like they disregarded the point of what they were doing, and tried to come up with the saltiest logic possible. This is why I have always preferred challenge runs.

“It’s makes you look silly” they cried as if most speedrunning techniques don’t look somewhat silly.

Speedrunning is technique based, not skill based. A speedrunner can be great at getting through fast yet bad at the game itself. If you don't learn these tricks through natural aptitude at what you're playing, it can be hard to find them since experimenting is discouraged in order to get the fastest time possible. Not to say any of these guys are inherently good or bad, they're experts at playing one way, which is why outliers tend to make the big moves. Even if an outlier means a world record holder with a lot of time on his hands.

I knew about it as a kid too Very strange it took a senior citizen to come and tell speed runners about it

My thoughts exactly while watching this. We discovered the look down method during multi-player in order to prevent screen peeking!!

It was because he was old and an outsider. They were mad about some boomer who had never posted online beating them _by accident_ at the shit they were squandering their entire youths on.

That's not what happened. You can find similar reactions to similar discoveries even when it's a known member of the community who discovers it. None of those runners were wrong to quit. Read Karl's post. Even if his opinion has changed, he still made a lot of sense then. For a lot of people, running the game while looking down sounds like it kills all the fun of it. And nobody is going to be excited when a new WR is posted because someone saved half a second by looking down--because you know that they didn't do anything better than the previous record holder. Top runners who have already grinded the game for thousands of hours to get their best times were not inspired to replay every level looking down to save a tiny bit of time. They're basically playing the same way but hoping to get a better frame rate. It's pointless. In Mario Kart 64 they automatically calculate what your time would be if you played on a cartridge with a different frame rate to save everybody the frustration. Look-down is the type of thing that should have been made into a new category, they just couldn't because it was too hard to regulate. The fact is, people had to quit for several years because that era of Goldeneye was not fun for them. It's not about the *idea* of the strategy or *who* discovered it.

i think they rage quit because looking down isn't exactly fun.

They had the right to quit, but that doesn't mean their reactions weren't childish. They wanted to compete to see what was fastest, using every exploit and trick possible, and when someone shows up with one they don't like, they rage quit. Childish.

Speedrunners are screeching little kids

I'm more interested in what drove him to find the speedrunning community in the first place. So, he was old at the time of his record-breaking runs. I'm assuming, probably late 90's here? maybe early 2000's, still, early days for computers, especially in the homes of older people, some of whom still refuse to adopt the greatest invention for disseminating ideas known to mankind. So this guy buys an N64, goldeneye, and a magazine talking about the game, reads it cover to cover, word for word, and sets off on a new adventure. Finishes the game and says to himself "y'know what, I bet I could do that faster" still likely without internet, given that he still has never even posted anything online. ever. After some time he decides he's gonna go buy himself an internet box to see if maybe other people can do the thing faster than he can, or if other people even do the thing fast. Stumbled upon a speedrunning community about goldeneye, presumably reads the speedrunning rules, finds that his records don't break any of said rules, makes an account, and is, in the span of a few months, turned into a massive celebrity in the GE speedrunning community, for better or worse. Some hate him, most hate him, some love him, but he's suddenly the fastest person in the world ever documented when it comes to completing goldeneye on the N64. What magical things had to happen to get him to this point? Did he already have an internet box before buying goldeneye? Why didn't he ever post anything? When did he stumble upon speedrunning? Was he just surfing around one day and found it, then tried to set the records? Or was he searching for it to find out if he had already beaten the records? So many questions.

@@andrewb378 I'd wager he probably got introduced to the concept of speedrunning through Quake demos or at least some other FPS with demo support, so that's likely how he sought out a speedrunning community. I suspect he didn't post for so long despite looking at speedrunning info over a period of time because he was probably "lurking" which was kind of just the expectation for the early internet. As for why Goldeneye, if I'm on the right track, anybody's guess is as good as mine. Definitely was a popular game, if nothing else.

@@andrewb378 Those are very good questions indeed... God now I'm wondering.

@@UnknownMaster21 did not see this comment

Maybe he beat the shit out of his kids and they showed him the speedrun Community?

I definitely knew about it and I find it very strange it took a senior citizen to tell speedrunners about it

It's not running through the game anymore. It's messing with the game code. This is closer to partly removing the cartridge. If you allow that just go into the chip and alter it to play all games at 3x the frame rate speed and claim a speed run. That is retarded.

@@kethmarhkfy7luf.263 Lol, messing with game code my ass. You sound like you don't know how software works.

honestly that footage was fun to watch cause it's impressive seeing them know where to go when they can't see, almost kind of like the punchout blindfold run

Honestly, I think its more about whats fun for the speedrunners themselves. Why go for the fastest time possible, when the strategies you have to do are boring? But I'm not saying the strategy of 'look down' is toxic or shouldn't have been discovered, its just unfortunate it wasn't a fun strategy for most speedrunner. Also, I really hope John Kaleta wasn't harrased for his discovery, for at the time, the strategy would have seem innocent, and I doubt many people would've seen the negative impact it would cause if they discovered it.

kethmar> It's not running through the game anymore. It's messing with the game code. You've obviously never seen a glitch run. "Welcome back, Sethbling here. Today I'm going to use a bug in SMW to warp straight to the credits screen and skip the whole game. Nice and boring."

Back in the day of bhop, we went to legendary lengths to design code for the best bhop. I hacked the DLL of games to get "haslanded" and also "currentspeed". There was a game I did this for, which was TFC, and the game had a hard coded cap on bhop speed which was 170%, so I would delay the jump until those two things were met. It was great, because you'd be flying through the air off a conc, and your air speed would be massively over the limit, and when you hit the ground, if you jumped instantly, you would be massively slowed down well below the cap. So, the slight delay in jumping from the ground, it meant since you were strathing through the air, you would jump at a different angle due to the slight delay. It would give you a bounce in a different direction. The next thing I discovered was the chop hop. Spamming crouch, would cause the player to never reach the "haslanded" flag, so the player would continue along the ground at full air speed from the concussion grenade. This was fine, they banned the pratice of chop hop. But, I discovered chop lip. Which was that if you did a slight chop hitting an angled block, you would go flying at a weird angle from it. This worked even on downhill steps.

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@@berenscott8999 dude that's awesome. You should make a video about the process of discovering these things. I have decent programming knowledge but I've never dug into the code of my games.

You have to remember, these people have devoted such a huge amount of time to one game, trying to get everything optimal to have the best possible run. And they have fun doing it. Then someone comes along with a new method that totally changes the way you play the game. And that new method isn't fun to them. That method involves staring at the floor and not experiencing the majority of the game. I'd be annoyed if that happened to me. If I had devoted so much of my life to such a specific thing, and that entire thing irreversibley changes into something very different, I'd definitely have a strong emotional reaction to it. There are definitely more tactful ways to handle the situation, and I'm sure some were childish in their reactions, but I think people had a valid reason for quitting the Goldeneye speedrunning community if they no longer enjoyed doing it.

The nature of the game being a 3d game means you can't really separate categories. Like if you're looking down while walking down some stairs and don't look back up after x seconds it's disqualified? What's x? If you accidentally look down at a 10 degree angle while shooting some guy is that disqualified? It'd be ridiculous and painstaking and lead to ridiculous sets of rules individualized to every level. Then you'd have to look through every video to determine if they marginally looked down, or looked down "too much," as some looking down is necessary to the game. The community basically immediately knew it can't be separated or policed, so it's legal. That being said, it wasn't so much people were salty about losing records. Anyone in the community is 100% used to losing records constantly. They just left the community because they didn't want to relearn every last turn in the game while looking at the ground. It's like 60 separate levels that you felt you near mastered after spending 100s of hours each on, all needing to be relearned from the ground up. The game is 5 years old. If you're going to have to relearn a game, might as well pick a newer one.

@@DrFrasierCrane THANK YOU! I am SO FRUSTRATED after looking at all these comments who apparently don't know that DIFFERENT PEOPLE have fun doing DIFFERENT THINGS.

so making weird contraptions to alter the games RAM is valid but looking down isn´t? good one guys...

Well...to be fair, glitchless run is a category and the "lookdown" strat can be categorized as glitchless, since you didn't need to clip through walls and such

One of them can be shown on video, the other will ruin your video. What's dumb about it?

What's dumb is that entertainment is not the main purpose of speedrunning. the only reason you'd record a speedrun is for evidence that you did it.

it was a bad excuse for ppl to quit because they got bested by a 55 year old, "non-tech native", despite them having played 8k+ hours of the same game. he mobed the floor with them and they couldnt stand it.

@samzuek the game looks like shit anyway and after 8k h theres no fun at sll left except for the time/ego

@@marioisawesome8218 entertainment is absolutely the purpose. did you think that people doing speedrunning were doing it just to get one over on people or something? they do it because it's fun, and when something comes along that sucks all of the fun out of doing it, well, in the immortal words of our lord and saviour reggie; 'if it's not fun, why bother?'

Of course you can. Someone found a new strategy that makes the game a pain in the ass to play, so instead of forcing themselves to play the game for hundreds of hours in a way that just isn't fun they just... gave up. What's wrong with that? If you care so much about time over fun go speedrun the game using lookdown yourself.

@@orions2908 I didn't say they can't give up, I said they can't complain about someone else's strategy.

@@getsinged7631 Why not? Discussing wheter or not lookdown should be a separate category was a disscution that was necessary. That doesn't go just for GE either. Everytime a new strategy is found that fundamentaly changes the game, no matter what game, a new category is always on the table.

@@orions2908 I also didn't say they can't discuss whether it should be a separate category, I said they can't complain about someone else's strategy.

@@getsinged7631 Why not?

lookdown looks down on players who looked down on lookdown

@@chickentendies5215 I looked down at lookdown and now lookdown is not down upon looking as down and out with this technique

In Soviet Russia.

forgive me if im wrong but isnt GE multiplayer run on one 64? meaning any speed increases from frame rate would apply to all players?

I was actually using this technique back in 97-98. The closest that I ever came to attempting a speed run, though, was unlocking the cheats. I specifically remember using this technique to help run a little faster while unlocking the invisibility cheat at the "Archives". I was surprised to learn that other people didn't know about it until 2002, and that they made a big deal out of it.

but is running a virtual marathon with your keyboard truly better than running a real one with with your legs? Just because its faster? Another idiot who didn't watch the video.

@@Luxalpa What can i saaaayyy exceeeept GROW THE FUCK UP AND STOP THINKING URE BETTER THAN PEOPLE

I imagine the person who started making lightbulbs had candlemakers rioting on their doorsteps.

Matches, people were using matchsticks, lol. Candle factories basically survived on churches after some guys in Poland invented Kerosene lamps. Then again, Middle East had wick-based lamps a few centuries earlier, Aladdin did predat Thomas Edison.

@@Luxalpa Imagine defending the pants-shitting of those GE runners. You're a fuckin baby.

Not all games does that though. "That" meaning you move FASTER if you have more FPS. In some other games, the time and your move speed is tied, meaning no matter what your FPS is, the time will be the same.

@@estoylaroca Only in new games really though, almost every single game made in the 90's and before did not tie FPS to the game loop, meaning more FPS = faster game.

That’s why in modern Unity Tutorial, movement needs to time Time.deltatime to make it consistent regardless of FPS.

Yeah, I thought these would be obvious strat, we all know what happens to games when the graphics are set too high.

@@estoylaroca a lot of old games have speed reflected on FPS, e.g. grim fandango has a few bugs were you can't do certain things because your computer is too fast for the game, and the only way round this is to install a program that slows down your CPU, in essence your reverse clocking your CPU so the game can keep up with it. There are a few console to PC games ported where quick time events are impossible because the computer to quick.

You noticed the game running smoother probably. Everyone kinda did but back then they didn’t know that actual speed was tied to frame rate and impacted the end time and not just the fps ya know. 2 different things.

They aren't even purists... If they were purists they would use that new trick and break new records with it. But instead they got all salty and bitchy and quit the game. weak ass pussies is what they are because their ego got hurt by some old dude using the oldest trick in the book to get more frame rates lmao... Even if this was 2002, its still retarded of them to be that fucking salty.

@@patstaysuckafreeboss8006 Speedrunners don't have to speedrun. They are doing it for fun, solely for fun. If a game is boring to speedrun, are you gonna force them to keep on going, or what are you trying to say?

@@evil001987 No, nobody's gonna force them to keep on going, if they don't wanna play, fair enough, but imo they do not have a right to complain about a strategy that saves time in a community where you beat a game or a level in the FASTEST time possible.

That's actually not a crazy idea!

We need a date! So we can drink one for this beautiful bastard

I'm sure we can extrapolate it to Jesus's teachings. "Golden Eye can be beaten much faster than you guys did" "Shut up" -They rejected Kaleeta's message because it was true.

That was back in 2002 when the game was still relatively young and most likely so were the people in it. I'd have to imagine things have calmed down a lot since then.

Community surrounding nintendo in general is super toxic. Nintendo age is notorious for it.

It's the Internet, they probably faced trolls on a semi-regular basis alleging to have beaten some record. There were also no formal standards of proof at the time. In any competitive field in general, and in speedrunning today, you roll up and say you have a record, and all you have to prove it is something you jotted down on a piece of paper, what do you think the result would be? Best case, people stay polite and completely ignore you. You have a tape, or a VOD on a streaming service, and it's a different matter entirely.

There is a bit of context to people being super defensive though to be fair. It was in a time where not every record was backed up by video proof and many people were just taken at their word based on reputation. When someone comes into the community from nowhere saying they tied the current world record, it isn't really unreasonable to expect some proof of it.

Michael Miller I dislike your lumping of these two disparate things together

haha yeah just look at portal where you barely see anything except portal mush

@@temok3643 Just like the runs where the objective is to never let a cube hit the ground.

@Michael Mathers Also "there would not *HAVE been"

You really need a job guy you got way too much time in these comment sections

​@@ChefBlend ikr how dare someone comment in the comment section

Same, I remember using this all the time on Dam, trying to get a good time.

Try playing a game while looking down the whole time and see if you still think it doesn't make the game less fun. You probably don't understand this because you are a little bit "socially behind" but speedrunners still play games for fun.

@@aureliabackup7313 the issue isn't whether look down is fun or not. No one's forcing these guys to use look down, you can still speedrun the way you want. The fact that so many of them were salty and throwing shade to the peeps who broke their WR cuz they were using look down in their runs just goes to show how petty the previous WR holders were. They're trying to justify that their WR means something while disregarding the hard work new speedrunners put in just cuz they used a strat that is objectively better than what was previously done. Now tell me, if those speedrunners quit the ge speedrunning scene entirely cuz the new strats weren't fun anymore, why did they feel the need to look down on the new record holders? You can leave the scene just fine, but trashing on the peeps who beat you is just fuckin pathetic. See what I did there? o.O

None of the crap about being salty and looking down on people for using a new strategy is true.

@@Junya01 While it's true that it's pathetic to be a douche to somebody who figured out a new strat I can relate to people who quit the game. If your only possibility to get faster is to play in a way that is so monotonous and boring that watching paint dry is more fun then yes, that's something I would be upset about as well. Speedrunners run their games for 1000+ hours, imagine you had to play 1000+ hours looking at a floor just to get 0,5 seconds off of a world record. That's extremely discouraging. It's not a wall glitch that's actually fun and enjoyable to watch. And it's not only playing. A lot of speedrunners make a living(or at least a good secondary income) by streaming nowadays. Who in their right mind would watch a stream of somebody looking at a floor for hours and hours? That's just BS. Koletos record was broken shortly after he posted it useing the same strat and even the people who broke the record quit shortly after because it's just not worth it.

@@Anonym-mh7sz You're overlooking the skill required to play the game while looking down. It's almost like watching someone speedrun a game blindfolded. All of the skill and strategy that went into the game before lookdown is now made _even more_ difficult. Speedruns are about watching a player master something. If you want to see the game for what it is, you should be watching a Let's Play or a Longplay.

Wall running in doom still lets you see and view the game, you go grind a game where the only way to get decent times is by literally not look at anything in the game.

So basically any speedrun with glitches involved?

@@jabbajane1124 keep playing smart-ass idiots

@@arkan5000 Hey, no need to be aggressive, we're only pointing out the irony of using a simple trick that is looking down is unacceptable for GE speedrunning community, yet glitches that allows people to skip everything is perfectly fine. Think about it in this way, you're in a race, where some other people can use vehicle to go way faster on the same track while you have to run on the track, you can accept that vehicle races are just another way to complete the track yet not another guy who could go faster than you just by running slightly differently? It's not the problem of being able to see your environment in the speedrun or whatsoever, you're in a speedrun, as if you got any time to admire sceneries, so why did people get so frustrated over a simple trick? Which I should remind you, shouldn't have any major impacts as the speed runners themselves would. Here's your answer: It was pride. Pride in what they accomplished with so much effort, and it was all brought down with something so stupid and silly as looking downwards. Pride in the fact that they are at the top of the world, that no one is better than them at this, yet they were surpassed by a couple no names just because they used a new trick. It's not hard to comprehensive how much frustration they felt at the time, it's just that they made such a huge fuss about it that it made them look like childs throwing a fit. And Tsar, one more thing, do refrain from calling someone 'a smart-ass idiot', it is these small actions that improves the society, hope you have a nice day.

@@jabbajane1124 my point exactly. Who cares about something like looking down when your busting the game anyway. Ill guarantee that a bunch of runners couldn't re map for the strategy and btfo'd it