I tried to cover a bunch of viewer comments from my last video within the first 5 minutes of this one. If you have other questions, leave them and I will try to include them in the final review. (Sorry for the Vita emulation creepypasta)
I'm wondering why the Xbox 360 emulation is still struggling is it because the win 4 can't handle it or is it more because the emulator isn't quite there yet?
20/30 years from now, when the todays kids grow up to be adults they'll consider PS5 games to be retro and SNES/GENESIS/PS1 and so on to be ancient consoles.
Yeah this has to be the last Gen of console exclusives not on PC. People finally figured out that consoles are just custom PCs. It’s all gonna be about who can package it nicely with features, convenient software/operating systems, and integrations. Games should be cross platform and built for one architecture. Of course Nintendo will never let go of their IPs until the generation of Nintendo nostalgia boomers dies off.
Yeah it looks a great console a massive improvement over the win 3 imo I have an aya Neo 2021 which I absolutely love it can ply psp really well currently have: outrun 2006 coast2coast, the Simpson’s game, Daxter, silent hill shattered memories plus pc games from steam and any site I want also ps2, Dreamcast, gba, snes, ds, GameCube/wii, n64 emulators installed!
@@sinangokceoglu9093 It may not seem necessary, but it's a huge benefit for closing crashed applications and for typing something in without losing 50% of your screen real estate and praying to the chaos gods that each touch of the screen actually picks up your fingers this time. It also helps the device to cover more bases if you need to run terminal commands or update config files quickly. One of my favorite devices of all time was my old Nokia N900 - it had a full, pop-out QWERTY keyboard with a nice, tactile feel, and I've never managed to quite replace that feeling with any other phone.
@@sinangokceoglu9093 not true. I've had issues with the Steam Deck where the on screen keyboard does not respond and i have to default to a USB Keyboard. Along with dealing with crashes and other issues mentioned above.
@@robras2850 which is still amazing. Yes the steam deck is cheaper but remember, valve can subsidise it. This is quite a good machine and yes expensive, with what it can do, some may choose it, especially with decks taking a while to get your hands on
I really like hearing the audio come from the source rather than the onboard speakers and recorded off that, really makes it more entertaining to watch the demos
Crazy how far we've come with these handhelds. The only elephant in the room is the much lower price of the steam deck, but I'm still happy about the progress that's happening with those 6800u devices.
Funnily enough, i thought the same thing - but comparing it to the 512gb Steam Deck, the price difference between that one and the cheapest Win 4 is only like 100€ if i remember correctly. If the Win 4 is indeed stronger in performance as well, it's quite reasonable.
I wish it was true in Australia as well... here, the cheapest Steam Deck is around $100 USD cheaper than the cheapest Win 4 (including shipping), and the 512GB model is around $100 USD MORE than the 32GB/2TB Win 4. We are getting seriously scalped on the Valve products... so GPD is just a far better value for us. The good thing is that GPD is going to have a custom SteamOS image for the Win 4, so at least I can pretend I just have a Deck with better specs...
Personally I am a huge fan of your content . One more thing I would like to request please try the PC games in 1080 p medium / high preset or a mix of high mid or low without fsr . I think 35 -45 fps is a pretty good range . If it's completely unplayable in 1080 p then only switch to 720p . Please it's a humble request . I really like the quality content that you deliver .
Thought it'd be worth mentioning, you can set a hard fps limit for all of your games within RTSS, by doing it within there you can eliminate all frame stutter by having a consistent frame time. You can set a global limit or exclude certain things, like emulators and it won't affect the refresh rate of the native windows experience
Yes, this is why I don't use capped display refresh rates since it is so easy to do that with RTSS. The refresh rate thing has more value in Linux/Steam OS.
I was on the fence whether to wait for this or to get a Steam Deck. I got a Steam Deck eventually, and fortunately it's too good to have buyer's remorse, but I'm glad the GDP Win 4 turned out great too.
The Steam Deck will certainly have a bigger community and for longer (welcome to monopolies), but the earlier versions seem to be outstripped by the performance of the Win Max 2 - and the Win 4 has the same specs but on a slightly less demanding display. But the longer the Steam Deck gets support from Valve, the longer the GPD devices will live as well, because having a hardware advantage over such a massive device as the Deck means that we will all benefit from Steam tweaks and Proton (if, like me, you use Linux on your GPD device). Even better for GPD is the fact that Valve makes money if people buy GPD devices - because they will be using Steam (and sometimes even SteamOS) for a more handheld-friendly experience. It's nice to see a symbiotic ecosystem for once - I'm so sick of exclusive this and lawsuit that... the gamers are never put first in those conversations, and usually end up being hurt the most in the long run. Fingers crossed it stays this way. Probably the biggest detriment to the GPD devices is that they ship with (and are generally tweaked for) Windows instead of a Linux distribution - unless you are super technical and know how to alter and disable things manually, Windows background processes are much heavier than even the heaviest (mainstream) Linux distribution, which means you have less resources free for gaming/etc. Luckily, it's not a nightmare trying to get Linux working on GPD devices - I've had my fair share of trouble with big-brand laptops that only cater for Microsoft. The curious thing will be learning whether Valve sticks with a generic console release schedule for the Deck (i.e. nothing new for the next six or seven years) or starts dropping newer models. Valve is huge... their decision in this will probably shape the approach to development that a lot of game studios take.
@@lumeronswift Linux vs Windows was another reason I pulled the trigger on the Steam Deck. I've been using Linux on my desktop for a few years and had no desire to go back to Windows-eventually those GPD devices would be supported, of course, but I figured never as well as a handheld where it's the vendor-supported default OS.
By the time an in-depth comparison is made between them, I imagine a new gaming handheld system being released. Crazy times we are living in, with all the abundance of choices... to be honest, if I could get hold of any of them, is pretty incredible. There is always room for complaining and improvement. I think subjectivity plays a role at these price points. You can go crazy if you get lost in the details. It's so mad, I remember when it was just either game boy or game gear, and anything else wasn't super relevant (thought any game console was relevant for sure). So mental!
@@paperoverflow my biggest complaint is the price. But for the price honestly I would just get one play all the back catalog I've missed out on and by the time I got my full and worthy use of it a new system like you mentioned will be out and then a whole new catalog of gaming opens up.
I could easily settle with just a 6800u handheld, considering it does most emulators very well. But I do hope they can get the prices down somehow. I can't imagine myself having enough disposable income to drop a thousand and some change on a Chinese handheld that could easily break and leave me with no possible warranty options. So I'll have to settle with the Steam Deck for now, and possibly the Steam Deck 2 in the near future.
@@umamifan my problem with steam deck is availability, the reason i bought the oxp mini pro because the local resellers shop are selling steam deck for about the same price of the oxp mini pro
Thank you for the emu demos and for showing the ideal settings. Please do size comparisons with the psp/vita/switch/ayaneo air/etc. How's the screen quality compared to the steam deck/switch oled/ayaneo air/etc? Please do more emu demos with it like MGS4, God of War 3, Gears of war. Thanks,
Thanks for the double exp, that's exactly what I needed before X-mas. I'd +1 that overlay guide! Thanks for the vid Taki! Edit: So crazy, I played Crimson Sea on Xbox OG way back when and google'd it no less than a week ago. I really loved that game at the time.
I've watched enough 6800u performance videos to know that, barring some horrendously bad thermal design or other hardware flaw, they'll perform very well. The hardware performance is no longer a question. I hope reviewers start talking about other things, such as software experience, ease of use in day-to-day, suspend-resume, battery life + ease of optimizing it, eGPU support, any noticeable software bugs/issues, per-game performance profiles, etc.
@@TakiUdon thank you. I think QOL features like stable suspend-resume aren't talked about enough in most reviews. Yet, in my opinion, it'd be a deal breaker if some of these QOL issues don't work, so it'd be highly appreciated if you can mention them in the final review 👍
Since getting the steam deck, I don't think I can go back to windows on a device like this. I really love the look of the win 4, but until I know steamos will run well, I'm not sure it's for me.
You're right, but I think out of everyone who's trying to use windows on these devices, GPD does the best at trying to integrate the device with it (having a keyboard, hardware mouse control, ect). But SteamOS is better for a portable handheld, even with all the trade-offs you have to take.
@@charlyy1337 As someone who has been using windows handhelds since the original GPD win, and has owned every GPD and Aya device, I can say that the steam deck has completely ruined those devices for me. Everything from getting into the device, to launching games, to docking and undocking, to changing settings, is easier in steamos. Sleep/resume, steam cloud etc that works more consistently on deck. Windows devices, almost every day, run into some small annoying issue that is harder to solve because the OS isn't designed for a gamepad. With my deck, everything just works. Yes you sacrifice some compatibility, but I have other devices if I really need them. For my handheld, ease of use is by far the most important factor.
Thank you, I was waiting for a full emulation showcase on the AYANEO 2 and this is just as good. I specifically plan on replaying Twilight Princess HD and im praying it's a flawless experience on these devices!
Hey Taki My software power control panel allows you to change refresh rate really easily, just as an FYI. I have an update coming that’s going to change a lot of stuff and make it really awesome to use
The physical keyboard would be awesome for DOS and Home Computer emulation. Especially games that need more than just a few buttons. I wonder how well the mouse input "pads" will work, as I wouldn't want to miss the Steam Deck trackpads anymore. The CPU and GPU temps are quite impressive. How fast and loud is the fan?
How funny was it in Uncharted that the character asked if they were in hell. I was scared out of my mind seeing those things on screen. Looked like a living version of Mr Fantastic but this time he wasn't being killed by Scarlet Witch.
This looks awesome. I miss this form factor in my smartphone so much!! I'm not out for $1000 handhelds atm, but maybe they'll exist for a lot less in a few years!
@@Dee-Mellow you are missing the whole point of the small form factor completely, st am deck is definitely not a one size fits all, yes the price is great, but it is crazy bulky. Best takeaway from the steam deck is that every other handheld maker was taking notes and in the next couple years we will see some awesome shit
This thing is everything I want in regards to form factor and power but I just can't see myself spending more than $300 on a handheld. I guess I'll have to wait for the retroid pocket six that comes out next week lol.
Could you do some ray tracing tests with the Radeon 680m? I'm super curious to see how it performs in games since it does have RT cores thanks to it being RDNA 2 based. Not expecting good performance but I'd still love to see it.
Appreciate the videos! Just something I've noticed over the years. The mic eq in the videos is a bit bass heavy which gets a bit hard to listen too after a while on my desktop monitor speakers.
Thanks for the emulation video, was looking forward to this. I'm wondering which 6800u device is the best atm. I know some are still on the way but there have been several handhelds with this chipset and was wondering which one you like the most. Maybe a comparison video?
Is the optical mouse easy to use? I play a lot of point and click adveture games, and an optical mouse sounds amazing, but I'm not sure if it's only just good enough to get by, or if it's amazing enough to fully use, like an actual track pad on a laptop.
Since this and the GPD Win Max 2 have the same hardware, it’s nice to follow videos on this device and the former because they will be identical in performance. Since this is the new toy on the block, I’m looking forward to the newer games being tested.
What settings do you have to run Ratchet and Clank at 12:38? I’ve tried messing with tdp and renderer settings but I’m seeing significant slow down even at 720p.
Hi, thanks for the video, i've backed the max unit. Just a quick question, Why you don't use Vulkan everywhere, i've seen sometimes D3D11 or OpenGL. I was believed Vulkan was the best, am i wrong ?
Ordered a month ago, hoping this will be like an overcharged PS vita and the Onexplayer 2 with be like an overpowered Switch! Fun times ahead 😊 but penniless for 6 months lol, handheld gaming is becoming fantastic, only problem is Batteries, I always attach a 20,000 - 30,000Mah battery to devices to make up the shortfall. Only thing is waiting until March 2023, other devices will be announced before then.
Hi, for the users who are very very very new to the whole TDP conversation, what is it exactly and how do we control it? Why does it matter? I tried doing a Google search to understand the function of controlling TDP but it wasn't explained the friendliest way to someone who has never heard of it before. In the video, you mentioned that games ran at different TDPs- why does it matter, how do we increase/decrease TDP, and does it impact performance/increase or decrease FPS, do graphic settings matter? Thanks all.
do you think you can scan it for viruses for a few days? ive seen threads on reddit about how GPD devices have worms or malware detected when scanning the device after a day or two
My only concern is the small face buttons and D pad. Its same size as Vita i think, but I wish they were full size buttons as well as the analogue sticks, Then it would be perfect.
I'm kinda curious on whether you prefer this over the steam deck. Steam Deck is a lot bulkier but if you have the money for it. This looks like the better option
If you have the money for it? The steam deck is much cheaper. Like half the price. But these 6800U devices are way more powerful. So it’s more if you have the money for the 6800Us, get that, else get a steam deck.
@@Otacon1105 my problem with these devices is support. Valve want to build the deck into a brand and are supporting it like crazy with updates and tweaks, I feel like these companies just shit these devices out and quickly move onto making something bigger and better.
@@Hayzink I agree 100%, main reason I’m anxious dropping that kind of money on one. I had a deck and didn’t like it personally (too big), so I personally will probably get a small android one or cheaper windows based one like the Loki whenever that comes out.
Yeah GPD Win 4 is the perfect choice for me due to it's performance and form factor, Steam Deck is just too big for my preference and not a fan of it's UI.
i want to ask you which handheld does better gaming on 15W~30W TDP, i feel like your going to say Steam Deck and i want to hear from you if there are other option, YOUR AWESOME TAKI!!!!
Out of curiosity, is it possible/hard to install Windows 10 on this machine or does trying to cause any hardware-compatibility issues? (As in the controls, keyboard or optical mouse not working) I'm not all that fond of Win11 so I wanted to know if it was possible to change it after getting mine.
I'd be interested to see how stuff like any of the SOCOM games, God of War, Resident Evil GC, Battlefield 2 Modern Combat, etc. Ran on it. And also how it compares to using the Steamdeck for it instead.
Only thing stopping me from getting this or a steam deck is the amount of knowledge you need to have on PC, like knowing what settings to use for each game. I would hate having to tweak setting for each game this why I love console or just PSP. I wish they made it more like a console where all games just work instead of having me do it cause I know nothing about this type of stuff although I love playing games I don't know what settings I need to make each game run good 😫
Say taki when I use the gpd win max I use 15 watts. But the total draw is 28 watts. That gives me less then 3 hours of what they advertised. Is it a system problem that it’s drawing this much or did I do something? I do nothing but game and do schoolwork so I am confused sense I really want the 3 hours with a less total watt usage.
I wish I could afford this. I'd get the 2tb one and then an extra 1tb sd and then put all my cartoons and movies on it. Never have to use any other device ever again.
Love the video. I would really like for you to make a guide on how the make the same overlay your using in this video so I could use it with my Ayaneo 2 I'm going to receive in a few days.
I've had reasonable success (needed one kernel config adjustment) with games and general use in POP!_OS so far on my Win Max 2, and the Win 4 is super similar apart from its form factor - have you tried any distros before saying you should stick with Windows? I'd be curious to know if there is any actual detriment, since (apart from perhaps Xbox 360) most ported/supported titles (so not talking Proton) can squeeze a little bit more performance out of Linux. I did see you use HoloISO, but I'm not quite sure if the generic image for that is relevant - GPD mentioned that Valve is providing a custom image for the Win 4 (fingers crossed that wasn't just me misinterpreting something).
Hey this video was really great. Now I've just some question/insecuruties, because I saw also your videos about the steam deck. Altough this device seems to run much better the emulators of the bigger gaming consoles like PS3, XBOX 360, WiiU etc. would you still reccommend to buy a steam deck or to directly buy this device? I'm really unsure what I should buy, because on one hand I really like the steam deck because of its ergonomic and cool design, it gives you the possibilities to run steam and emulation games from arcade to nintendo switch very well, but on the other hand I'm also thinking that maybe since the emulator softwares are doing a lot of progress continuisly that one day it would be cool also to emulate PS3 Games for example, and like you described in your past videos, the steam deck isn't as good as the GPD Win 4. So maybe what would your reccomendations be for me?
How is the weight distribution compare to steam deck. Dose the 6 inch look very small comparing to 7inch. The best thing to me is steam deck when I turn on either windows or steam os while take short time. Can you tell me is it fast when turn on or take more then steam deck for turning on.
Hello Taki, thanks for doing these test video, very helpful, I just have 1 question. Which Citra emulator did you use in your test? The Citra MMJ from Github?
Battlefront? Red Dead? It’s lovely to see some more Western titles get tested. As a shooter/horror fan who doesn’t typically play JRPGs/platformers, I’m usually left a bit uncertain of what I’ll be getting into with these showcases.
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