This can’t be a PC… - GPD Win 4 

And his voice goes up 2 octave's

he wouldn't put it down lol. ill have to wait till it goes on sale or buy it second hand these things usually go for 1k plus usd.

id buy these sort of handheld PCs if they had a glasses free 3d display, love to emulate gamecube and wii games in 3d

@@girlsdrinkfeck can I ask what that looks like? I'm just confused because o thought only the 3ds had 3d

@@Mythicalgoon There are laptops coming out or out already (one was shown at CES I think) that have it

I was thinking the same thing!

What's the point? If it used its own Linux version, I'd get it, but this runs Windows, are there Steam games that are SteamOS only?

@@didikohen455 using steam os you might be able to get more frames out of it by not having windows background tasks running

@@didikohen455 it's free, Linux can be less resource heavy and some people just prefer it over Windows

@@didikohen455 It is also specifically created for handheld controls

Exactly why I bought it, can’t wait for it to come in

IM BOUTA NUT

@@alexanderbaker4900 that’s a good idea actually, might do that now

​@@alexanderbaker4900where do you get that from?

Ik u ain get no hoes in school

facts i want it but its 1600 & i just got the legion go 😤

I know that the next Switch iteration won't be at this level of tech specs (how could it when it will be ~$700 cheaper than this), but I'm really excited to see what Nintendo does do with it given all the innovations we've seen in the market.

@@cthomas025 also doesn't matter as much since the Switch is a closed system

I don’t think the next switch is going to come out as long as switch sales remain constant

I don't think this has anything to do with the Switch. Nintendo has proven they can sell consoles with their games alone - this is just a further step on the spread of mobile pc gaming.

The New Switch Pro XL better be a Portable PC or it will flop. No way anyone (who already has a Switch, specially if it's the OLED) is gonna buy another Switch that's just slightly less inferior than it's previous version.

fledged*

@@codey1391 ty

It's a T-Mobile Sidekick. That's the design they're aping. My wife had one. I loved it. I had the G1, and later the G2. I will forever mourn the loss of fold-out keyboards in smartphones.

@@GSBarlev I have had this discussion with tons of people. Nobody ever agrees with me. Nice to se somebody else say it unprompted in the wild. I could type like the wind on those slide out keyboards. Now I fumble to type on any touchscreen no matter the size.

For android phone was an LG ally, then a Droid 4. Then another Droid 4 when that one died cause there were no good alternatives. Then the Moto Z Force in the hopes a keyboard module would be made. Almost made it there in a kickstarter but it died cause Motorola screwed over the teams. Then an F(x)tec Pro1 rose from those ashes, but it just wasn't for me and kinda buggy. Waited so long for Project ARA only for Google to kill it. Kept up on a few other modular-type phones in the hopes of one making it and enough people wanting keebs. But finally gave up after my Z Force died and the Pro1 just wasn't working out, now I'm on a Note 20 Ultra. During the 5ish years I had the Z Force I got used to using Swype, so that helped me transition to using screen typing only hut ugh, still miss the physical hardware keyboards though. Maybe one day they'll come back!

Same. Would be awesome to see them release another mini laptop with this kind of performance and specs.

Yeah I really enjoyed my GPD Win, but sadly since the Win 2, they've targeted a much higher price point. I picked up the Win for only like $300, but now all their products are $600+.

@@dudelydudeington9789 Look into GPD Win Max 2.

I have my GPD XD for about 4 years now. Still like new!

Does it beat the steam deck?

I used GPD Win 2 as the main personal computer, plugged to USB-C and connected to external display. It works quite well. I'd expect the same from GPD Win 4, and I'd say it will be likely on par with Steam Deck. Main complaint regarding the GPD Win 2 (docked) was the heat and the loud fan. And the battery life (as in how long until the battery starts to bulge and needs to be replaced).

I bought a gaming PC about 2 years ago. Not a huge thing but it's been able to play everything I have thrown at it. The processor in the GPD 4 may be a touch stronger than what I have in my huge PC. It's crazy. When I get my GPD4 I think I may actually consider getting an Egpu and take the 2070 Super in my PC and just dock my GPD4 to it and use it as my main computer all the time.

@@DenilsonSa The GPD4 apparently is a beast when it comes to cooling. Surprisingly quiet fan and I saw videos comparing games on both the Deck and GPD and the temperature were a steady 70c for the Deck while the GPD4 was around 50c.

@@DenilsonSa If you want your GPD devices to last longer. Make sure to use something like the Power Control Panel app. These devices if left to their own free will will ramp up wattage usage for something as simple as a background update. My GPD Win Max 2021 probably lost a lot of its life simply because of that. Now I have it throttled to 8W and for everyday usage its plenty of power. Just need to switch profile when I want to game. Anyway, enjoy your Win Maxs!

Yeah I like the size too. Smaller things that pack more of a punch is something that always intrigued me in the handheld device market. From little handheld tvs to Gameboy micros etc. I cant get enough.

Same for me

Same here too I want that!!! Take my money!

I did the same thing when I saw it a few months ago. Placed my preorder right then and there and I didn't even do that for the steam deck. This thing is exactly what I want in a handheld.

Yes I LOVE that technology has come to the point to where we can have a full desktop gaiming experience in a handheld form factor with arguably very little compromise. Now we just need pricing in the competition to stabilize more. The pricing of the deck is a good step in that direction too. Before the deck something like the GPD Win 4 would have easily been 1200+ even while on indigogo

it even has a freaking trackpoint !

I just got mine and it is incredible. Build, heat, battery, performance. It's just hands down the best.

@@Sereous313 Where did u get urs?

@@Sereous313 I’d like to know where you got it as well, is what you used to get it reliable?

I've refunded the second I've heard about the win mini 😅 I got the original win max and I would love the idea of a more powerful mini version of it ❣️🙏

@@burgulize i decided to opt out of the mini 2024 purchase after finding out it does not include a occulink port. ADT-link has Oculink encolusres and boards now

Its too small me. The deck is a good middle zone.

Oh look it's Pants!

@@BradPixelManH since I walk everywhere the smaller & lighter the better

@@BradPixelManH middle zone? Which portable is the large zone then ?

@@Xfade81 onexplayer

I'm sorry to be that guy, but snotches is my new favorite word. Also, the backpacks sound cool

hehe. snotches

Ill wait for the oled version

Thirdly, keyboard, regardless of how shitty it may be, it will still be infinitely better than a touch screen keyboard.

Not worth it. Piece of junk. 2 hour battery life out of box means it will drop to like 1.5 hours of battery life after some basic usage. Battery technology is not up to par to run a device like this. What is the point of a "hand held" computer that has to be plugged in to change every 70 minutes?

@@chinbosschinboss2484 1.5 hours is long enough for me. Usually there is an outlet or Ill have my large portable battery with me.

@@chinbosschinboss2484 I found a steam deck fan

As a kid I used to dream of having a Sony Vaio UX, OQO or some other UMPC. Even now I can still only dream of having a handheld PC because of how expensive they are, though I do have a HP Stream 7 which I bought back in 2015

@@Pasi123 I loved my Stream 7! To this day the smallest Windows tablet I’ve ever seen. Ran great on Windows 8, but was barely usable on Windows 10…

@@JoeyPerleoni I still have Win8.1 on mine but sadly the support ended just recently. I'd say the most annoying things about the Stream 7 are: only one microUSB port and no separate charging port, only 1GB RAM and 32GB eMMC, and no other input methods than the touchscreen. I love the fact that the Steam 7 can be charged from a normal cheap power back or even from a PC USB port but a dedicated charging port would have been a nice addition so that it would be possible to use a USB hub while charging the tablet. The tablet also needs a working battery to even boot so if/when the battery dies the tablet won't boot even when connected to a charger. I'm not sure if a separate charging port would have made it possible to use it even without a battery like how it's on most laptops. Some other cheap Windows tablets also had a microHDMI port which would have been nice to have too. 1GB RAM was already really low when the tablet was new so an Atom Z3735F with 2GB RAM would have been nice. 32GB storage is also low for desktop Windows but tbh most more expensive Android tablets still had 16GB storage, heck even the iPad Pro 2015 had 32GB on the base model and unlike the Steam 7 it didn't have a memory card slot. And for the input methods I think a small trackpad and mouse buttons next to the display would have been nice (like on a HTC Shift) but those are more of UMPC features. Something similar to the Surface Pen would have been nice but that obviously would have been too expensive. Some small (official) qwerty keyboard case would have been nice too. To this day the Steam 7 is still the smallest PC that I have and the only one that can be charged with any USB charger or power bank. It can even run BioShock (2007) although at quite low frame rate Edit: I completely forgot the 32bit EFI which makes it impossible to run 64bit Windows on it. But that's the same on every Bay-Trail tablet. Linux 64bit works though because it doesn't require a 64bit EFI.

As a kid this is what I wanted instead of modern smartphones. Not only the hardware but also full fledged PC OS support. You could use some UI mode and use it as a phone.

This thing is better than the Asus Rog Ally.

Lmao the steam deck is better as it has more buttons and you can comfortably play key board only games

​@@GamingIntelCoreM-ybutthurt fanboy much?

​@@Emiichocothe steam deck is better in terms of controls, but this is better for portability. But your comment saying they're butthurt is simply childish and untrue

@@rudeskalamander idk he seems pretty butthurt

You should see the last gen, the "3". It's essentially an exact replica of the Vaio.

Ps vita + oqo 2 .. win 3 ps vita + Ux series

Nintendo has become obsolete

@@akawhut lol ok

@@SRC267 Don't entirely agree with the other dude... but you can emulate anything in the switch's library on this thing and/or run its native Windows version, which not even the Steamdeck can as reliably do.

@@Ivan-fy3pr sure, but it won't reach mainstream levels like the Switch.

@@SRC267 I don't see how that has anything to do with... anything.

I just wrote that in a stand alone comment, yes, that would be very interesting. Especially temperatures if it´s connected to the wall (power) for a longer period of time, I bet it could handle most mundane tasks like internet browing/RU-vid/emails etc. flawlessly, 60 fps on popular non triple A titles should be within reach at 1080p. Need a review.

Phawkx channel did it maybe

Yup, I ended up preordering one for this reason. I'd love for this to replace my personal dev box.. Since all of my workstations have thunderbolt/usb docks.

I just came here to comment this. Curious if something like this would be a good everyday computer

I love the form factor of this thing. Especially that keyboard. A modern take on the old Sony Vaio handheld.

I don't think u can get something smaller, that's pretty much a phone with a estereoscopic controller

@@nicolasmfa Im sure in another 5-10 years it will surely be possible to get that performance smaller. But at the same time I feel like these companies would rather increase the power of the device instead of making it more compact

@@cubalibre-5238 there its some compact device's rn, but at tops they can only run android and run GC emulation

At the same time, the constant iterations is the biggest thing keeping me out of getting a handheld gaming PC - it’s moving so fast and each one getting better than the last, which is normally a good thing, but means it’s always going to be a case of “yeah but if I wait six more months there’ll be something better”.

The switch looking more and more like a joke everyday XD

@@Blinkxys tbf the switch isn't even competing. it's its own product. these handhelds have the same form factor of the switch, but that's basically all they have in common

@@miscl_anon Except that most the Switch can do, they can do as well. Switch Emulation works quite well on Windows and Linux, the only thing you really loose is some online capabilities.

@@overlordmarkus That ignores the market the Switch is aiming for, though. Most people who are buying something like a Switch aren't, in fact, computer geeks who are wanting to homebrew and run emulators and all of that: it's children or their parents, looking for a simple and cheap gaming system they can use without having to do a lot of their own configuration. A base model of one of these costs about the same as buying 3 Switches, so there's the costs there. There's multiplayer on a single system, where in this unit's case you'd have to buy a second controller where there's a lot of Switch games that can use the split joycons. There's the usual idiosyncrasies of configuring games in Windows, and the still to this day spotty controller support in PC versions of a lot of games, and so on and so forth. it's the classic console situation: even when they're weaker, they have their own suite of advantages that let them appeal to a broader market in general.

Not the same company

please dont use "geekgasm" ever again 😂

@@hellothere8825 “dorkasm “.

Such a ridiculous well made and over the top consumer grade handheld. Not backed by some greedy big corp like Nintendont or even Steam/Valve? Running Win10 and literately the screen and joysticks being the parts that is the key parts that seems to not be over the top good? Just... Mediocre? Epic execution of a product. Honestly. It even have good run at competing with a desktop PC.

yup, it's great though to see different implementations for specific purposes and people. Competition in this space will help it explode for sure.

also valves customer support andthe touhpads, some may find them useless but for casual fps gaming it's leagues above an analog stick or for games that benefit from a mouse cursor I can play bejeweled 2 and zuma for example then play halo ce or master chief collection then play racing games and the price just wish it had thunderbolt a lot of people don't like the screen of the deck but it actually looks fine to me and the lower resolution makes it easier to run games I want this gpd I just wish it was cheaper

@BlackSn0wz that will never happen. Value can afford to sell the deck at loss while other companies cannot afford to.

For some games (that have text to read) I find the Steam Deck already borderline on the screen size. This would be unplayable for those sorts of games (for me) lol

Valve subsidizes their hardware with software sales. If valve is making any kind of net profit on the steam deck hardware sales, I can't imagine it's more than 1%. They're hoping to get a kind of customer into their store that they've never had before, the console gamer.

With the tech industry going how it has been. I would guess no longer than a decade till the fully functional and practical hand held pc market will up and running.

There’s some really good videos out there already showing it

Given it's running Windows I assume dosbox would work no problem, that a XP and 98se virtual machine would end my plan to wait for SteamDeck 2

@@shnoo8900 Yeah this thing can easily do PS3 and Wii-U. But it's gonna suck that battery like a mofo. I'm really looking forward to the I3 versions of the Ayn and Ayaneo devices.

Check out The Phawx or ETA Prime's videos on the Win 4; you'll definitely see some emulation showcases there. I recommend also following The Phawx because he's doing proper tests on it and has some videos highlighting potential to min/max it (adjusting the power consumption to yield better battery life at same or similar performance to stock settings).

@@JohnSmith-xq1pz oh same for me. This GPD is super cool and got me really interested but I honestly think it's best to wait for a Steam Deck 2

Fwiw, ThePhawx already has (possibly ETA Prime as well?). He reports tag everything worked out of the box except the fingerprint reader. That plus the fact that it's easily user-serviceable (GPD's official RU-vid shows you how to get upgrade the SSD) has me looking at this really longingly, even though I love my Deck.

One x player 2 is better my brother

@@rodericktaylor8919 I'll have to look into it, thanks for letting me know.

The top model is $1199 during the campaign....

@@jollyrancherchick It's $1600 CAD bud... There are other currencies besides USD ya know.

@@rodericktaylor8919 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uadSTqU28gI.html

PCs* no apostrophe

lmao imagine in 10 years we have handhelds as powerful as I9 + 4090

no touchpads... not worth bothering.

@@jakedill1304 True, love them touchpads on the steamdeck.

@@mariocollisionmaker you know I never really understood the steam controller until just a little bit ago when I was trying to figure out a solution to make a controller playable.. they used to be all sorts of cool peripherals out there.. it's amazing how many of them don't exist anymore and they don't even try.. when I originally saw the steam controller I was just like well it's just an upside down controller what's the point I didn't realize what it actually was and what it was actually doing.. now all I think of is.. gosh darn it that was that was a really cool idea.. and I'm really glad that they brought that over with the steam deck.. it kills me that the other tiny PC companies don't even bother trying.. and nobody even brings it up like it's a problem, it's so normalized this dual analog time loop we've lived in for 20 years. my question I haven't used a steam deck cuz I just I don't really have a use for that but, have they actually smoothed out the touchpads cuz if I remember correctly from what I read the steam controller had problems with its touchpads the way that they implemented it.. there were solutions that you could have easily done if they had a second iteration if people had had just wholeheartedly rejected it.. but they didn't so now that they've kind of do I wonder if they've actually solved some of the problems with it? Cracks me up how much valve used to be the champion of Microsoft, like the entire game of half life was incepted out of a proof of concept that DirectX could actually do the things and better then even a bare metal at the time.. and just over the years it's just been that realization.. like they're not on your side anymore, they're not trying to help you do cool things.. they want you to do their things and they want you to be happy.. and I guess they don't realize that they don't have a cult like Apple.

Just get the win max 2

One of the best things Steam Deck did was to lower the market price for all handheld PCs. Before it, these things went for $1200+ easily. Now it looks like the companies making these have to aim for better performance and more reasonable profit margines. I just hope they can improve battery life further down the line.

Thanks AMD for that 6800U😎

Aya Neo is far ahead of a steam deck in terms of a handheld pc so I don’t know why you even use a deck as comparison lol. I have both aya Neo next and a deck . Aya Neo is a much better device. The gpd doesn’t deserve to be compared to a deck. Compare it with aya Neo or a next player

@@droo9466 mb for you, the next does have a better cpu but worse gpu, compared to the steam deck, ergonomics heard they were fine for the most part, but bear in mind, the steam deck is a handheld that starts from 400-600 while the next still being a more expensive one. Gpd win 4 is also undobtly one of most feature pack/compact handhelds out there therefore i dont quite trust gpd as a company. Now i can say other aya neo devices like the geek or 2, and with upcoming next 2 those are nice.

@@asunavk69 the screen on aya is also much better . And the aya runs games much better than the deck . The deck could barely run any other than steam games smooth. But the screen is as horrible to look at compared to the Neo. And the frame rates on Neo was better. I really was disappointed on the deck after owning a Neo since it’s so big like a brick and couldn’t play many of the games I play . Btw . And for calling it a handheld pc is kinda disappointing when it’s only good with Linux which is so limited for me

Lol no

that would be awesome, especially if he is taking into account price, as it gives great cheaper options (most likely steamdeck) and super expensive options for the rich gamer.

I think so

I think he always is a little

Yes.

😂

I am

Exactly what I thought about when I seen the slide

An OLED is going to annihilate the already-stretched battery, and you can already put Linux (and probably, explicitly, HoloISO) on it. For me baby-hands Linus saying the ergonomics were incredible pretty much ruins it for me and my gigantic paws. 😔 If GPD does a follow-up in the same gen with the exact same hardware but a larger form factor, I don't think I could resist buying one, and I *love* my Deck.

@@GSBarlev steam os works on it as per taki and other reviewers have shown. assume there will be some follow up since the gpd win 3 was this but more lame

Tbh you getting free windows in here which in itself is a value, you can switch to Steam OS for free, so will rather have windows and do dual boot on this! Switch emulation works wonders in this

GPD tend to iterate new versions of their hardware every couple of years so by the time you're ready to buy, there might be something even more powerful on offer.

At least it competes with Steamdecks 512GB version. But still gets laughed anyway. Lets wait for 7840U editions. I gotta take a bite on that Radeon 780M on handhelds

Not worth it. Piece of junk. 2 hour battery life out of box means it will drop to like 1.5 hours of battery life after some basic usage. Battery technology is not up to par to run a device like this. What is the point of a "hand held" computer that has to be plugged in to change every 70 minutes?

@@chinbosschinboss2484 If you lower the TDP, you can get way more than that, and still play some decent games. Also, compared to the Steam Deck you can get a 2280 SSD for half the price than 2230, so there's that value. It's not so much more expensive than the top tier Steam Deck.

@jondasek while I agree the built in ssd is very nice I still haven't actually been upset with my ssd size after using the deck for almost a year. You can just get a microsd and there's not a real noticeable speed issue. Also I personally like labeling cards with the game they have and then plugging them in like using a Nintendo DS back in the day lol

What case is that!?!?!?

@Chris Bryson ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KlaYXrH0MJg.html from this video. Its the maingear mg-1, when Shroud bought into Maingear, they sent LTT the pc with some different swappable front plates

Yeah it looks nice

It's a new Vaio UX

totally! or OQO

You should look at their previous version, win 3. Nearly identical to a Sony ux Umpc. They're taking "inspiration" from Sony to the next level.

Well, this is the 4th iteration of their product. They’ve been doing this long before the steam deck even existed.

Quite the opposite... It's actually GPD who encouraged everyone on the handheld PC markets and not the other way around. Valve only announced Steam Deck on 2021. Meanwhile GPD distributed its first handheld PC way back in 2016. Give proper credit where it's due man...

@@xlDon2lx With that logic, Valve was trying bespoke gaming machines for PC configurations before even GPD Win in 2015, with Steam Machines. They even attempted to apply the same marketing and developing methods as GPUs- where a base model is made and then licensed out to other companies- so I mean... Where it begins is a little hazy, so while it's fair to say GPD was on the actual *handheld* part first, Valve followed their suit with intent to stir it up some more after they failed the smaller niche project. GPD also started on Indiegogo crowd sourcing, so it's probably more of Valve encouraging this "small company" to keep going by throwing their hat in. But who knows, picking this apart isn't too productive.

Gpd has been making these since like 2018 or 19, I remember being interested in the first one when I saw a video of someone playing Fallout 3 on one.

@@xlDon2lx GPD gains nothing from more market competition... VALVE does

why take that on public transport, u tryna get robbed?

@@realtalk1310 i don't know there, but in my zone it's safe, luckily we're free to do such things, very few robberies

@@piereligiodisante Where u live at? Japan?

@@realtalk1310 Italy, but it's one of the safer regions

@@realtalk1310 Most phones are worth more than that and people don't just snatch it from you.

Nah

Yea

Meh

That would fix one of Linus's complaints about the screen and bezel ratio, since OLEDs need almost no bezel whatsoever. However, it would definitely drive up the BoM.

@@CalculatedRiskAK $800 for the LCD, maybe $900 for a 90hz OLED? you might not have the default horizontal placement but there're many off the shelf 90hz OLED panels that wouldn't cost that much

The GPD's cooling system is already the best out of all the devices of that kind. It runs in the 50 degrees celcius while gaming. The Deck by comparison goes in the 70.

True, that would be amazing, but I've found that with my experience with the GPD Win 2, a simple desk fan is more than adequate to supplement cooling. I actually used a wire mesh phone stand to keep it vertical with a small desk fan behind it whenever I wanted to run more stressful titles like Fallout 76. I've noticed that most "laptop cooling pads" tend to use extremely weak fans for some reason, so I doubt that it would even work well if they made an all in one solution. You are probably better off buying a cheap desk fan and calling it a day.

additional fan is a useless gimmick, it wouldn't cool anything unless direct contact with heat pipe.

They won't be doing OLED ever, GPD does not do this

​@@-pROvAKany reason why?

Don't really care that much for the sticks but the display is something that I do care about a *lot*

@@-pROvAK They will do it if Steam deck or some other competitor successfully does an OLED one.

Who cares about hall effect sticks. What in the actual f.. are you doing to ur controllers if they break. Aaand no, dont give me some accuracy bs

I love that they're still around

As an owner of an xd and xd plus that’s never actually used then, yeah, they’re great….. 😭😭

the GPD 3 was pretty bad, and the were bitching about the steam deck a lot, but i love the GPD XP and now the GPD 4 seems great

Its possible

You can run this easily

Based on what they said when the deck came out i doubt it'll happen officially, they seem dead set on windows

@@rvmiv_ shouldn't you be able to install whatever OS you want though because, like the Steam Deck, it's literally just a computer? Valve either had already or is going to make the SteamOS available to download for use on any device.

@@eugene1640 yeah, but Destiny 2 isn't 🤣

Set the power button to hibernate. Done.

It just goes to show that we don't really need lumbering towers anymore. The only advantage that they have now is cooling so you can get more performance out of it but the fact that you can plug in external components such as storage/gpus and power as well as stream it on a bigger TV screen, kind of kills whatever advantage PC towers had.

It's $3500

@@wanderingbufoon I wouldn't go that far personally, to suggest that traditional desktop PCs are obsolete is a bit of a stretch, especially considering this thing is typically at least $2000. Not to mention the issues that come with egpus and other external components and being hardware bound by this handheld. Handhelds are great and they are probably going to become the preferred method of gaming in the future, but I think that's still many years away.

​@wanderingbufoon you can literally build a ultra compact pc with zero performance compromises. People build large pc for aesthetics. We have seen gaming laptops for decades

@@tone19xx It's 1k

The GPD Win 3 actually looks like the Sony you are referring to.

Droix has one. They just posted it the other day.

@@bernardorozewicz4325 Thanks didn't know they had a youtube channel.

Same here