Jinx killing Silco is not a "YES!" moment. The only one who came out on top from that scenario was Vi, cuz shes still alive. For EVERYONE else in this world, that was probably _the_ worst possible outcome. It solidified Jinx in her crazy person. Got the council nuked. Made Cait lose her mother. Let the highly volatile and heavily armed psychotic massmurderer off the leash and without guidance. And these are only the _direct_ consequence. There are hundred, maybe thousands, of absolute tragedies on the horizon from this one incident.
Sevika is probably THE most loyal character in the entire show. You just misunderstood where here loyalties lay. Sevika is loyal to *the cause.* To fighting Piltover abd free the undercity of their oppression. She WAS loyal to Vander until he prioritized the girls over the fight. She then went to Silco who was still fighting and now that hes to being distracted from the "primary objective", she again is considering moving on. Shes absolutely loyal to the cause. She never strays, her purpose is always clear. She is rock solid, really. She wouldbt have left Vander if he continued fighting, she wouldnt have considerds betraying Silco if he didnt stray. Her loyalty is rather absolute, really. *Theyre the ones who changed.* Not Sevika.
There was a time when Vi wouldn't have hesitated to side with her sister over an enforcer like Caitlyn. That's why the shot was focused on Caitlyn when Jinx said "but you changed too"
@mathies3598 not necessarily. It was a reaction. But taking a 2nd watch through the season. There were multiple examples in where Vi would choose Caitlyn over her. When she walks back saying she was going to go back to Powder, but turns back after the 🦋 bombs. Then AGAIN after they see Jynx on the bridge, Vi instead chooses to go with Caitlyn. Then the THIRD time when she let the bomb go off after fighting Ekko. You'd think with a bomb going off Vi would probably worry about Ekko and Jynx, but no she made sure an enforcer was safe first before turning back for her. Of course, she sees Silko yet again saving Jynx.
But we also see that her last act as Powder, was saving Vi. But her very first REAL act as Jynx, was blowing up the council and being yet another "Jynx." How fitting. Beautiful storytelling!
Sevika is probably THE most loyal character in the entire show. Youve just completely missunderstood WHAT shes loyal to. 'Sevika is *absolutely* loyal to the cause. The fight to free te undercity from Piltover oppression. She left Vander cuz his priorities shifted from the fight to protecting his kids. Shes beginning to doubt Silco for the same reasons. Sevika has ALWAYS stayed 100% on point
Few people understand Sevika. They don't respect integrity for what it is. Integrity is the truest form of reliability, you always know what they will do. This is why Sevika sacrificed herself to protect Silco after only knowing him for a few days in EP3. Silco was the best chance to free the Undercity, and Vander has made himself a Liability.
I think you are missing the fact that Powder has shown signs of mental illness from the beginning. She looked to Vi to figure out how to feel when her parents were killed. She was most afraid of being useless and abandoned. Even in the opening bridge scene, there were scratches over the monsters of her world, the enforcers. Her mistake in episode 3 and subsequent abandonment by Vi broke her even more. That would be the fundamental difference between her trauma and Vi's.
Powder is a child raised in a violent environment, as a child she already created nail grenades. All Vi's group did was practice combat. They are completely slaughtered by enforcers all the time, I think the violence of these children is a reaction to the Piltover actions. This city that created these monsters. We're going to solve people's problems and all they've done is increase their profits.
100% the economic and physical violence pushed upon the under city by topside created this entire problem. It also created Silco as the person he is. Also we (as an audience) are terrified by Powder's violence but mostly brush the CONSTANT violence of piltover against the undercity aside. Almost no one screams at Hiemerdinger about the undercity situation despite his presiding over that situation (which included forced labor, unsafe conditions, abject poverty, starvation, etc) for generations. We look at the individual acts of violence as scary yet have trouble seeing the institutional violence that is pervasive throughout the story. That said all of the violence is a problem.
What you have to understand is that Powder since the incident on the bridge hates enforcers. There is an imagine dragons music video that shows her as a child being mistreated by enforcers she just hates them all. And when her sister shows up with an enforcer she just sees it as a betrayal you didn't "forgive my mistake but you're hanging out with enforcers." For Jinx this is the worst of crimes. When Vi punch powder and repeat Mylo's words she creates a monster, she didn't listen to Vander the third time, she never paid attention to what he said. -Take care for powder. And Powder didn't have two fathers being killed she had 3.
I get that she hates enforcers - but she hadn't seen Vi in literal YEARS, and thought she was dead. She had no idea what Vi had been going through that entire time, and instead of actually having a conversation, she makes an assumption. A rightful assumption based on her history, but an assumption nonetheless. And as far as Vi calling Powder a Jinx goes, I think people tend to forget that in that moment she was riding off the fact that her entire family literally died right in front of her two seconds ago - it's understandable that she'd lash out and say something she'd regret (which she does). At the end of the day, Vi was also just a kid in grief, just like Powder was
@@everybodylovesrae_ I think it's pretty clear that Jinx (and Powder) has very, very poor communication and social skills. She doesn't know how to talk about her feelings or explain what she's dealing with to Vi - she probably can't even fully understand it herself - that "tea party" scene at the end, to me, basically screams of Jinx trying desperately to get through to Vi, to make Vi realize that she's different now, that she cannot go back to being Powder, even if she wanted to, and practically begging Vi to just accept and love Jinx as she is now, crazy and all. But because she's so bad at communicating (and Vi is generally bad at listening) it fails completely - Vi doesn't understand Jinx, and Jinx can't make her understand... which results in Jinx eventually giving up trying to reach Vi and leaving.
@@everybodylovesrae_ but for power it was worse she tried to save her family and the only one left, and it was a mistake that cost them their lives, AND the only family left blamed her and just walked away. There, an already destroyed person lost absolutely everything.
No, Heimerdinger does not deserve apology. It is his inaction as a head of council since city beginning that lead to current situation, atrocious living standards for undercity citizens, unsourmountable cultural divide between Undercity and Piltover, entrenched "us" and "them" mentality that makes violent conflict unavoidable. Him being head o the council for decades or even centuries, makes him more responsible for the current situation than any other single individual.
Powder stopped existing at the end of episode 3. You WANT her to exist...but she's long, long gone. Nothing of her remains but some broken memories and a shadow of a little girl. Just like the shadows of Vander, her parents, Mylo, and Claggor. Twisted shadows of pain and rage. That's what happened when Vi was trying to remind Jinx of "the good times" and "the people who loved her". Nobody but Silco ever loved Jinx, and Jinx isn't Powder...at all. All those memories are nothing at all but torture to Jinx, nothing but suffering. At the end of episode 3, Powder's brain physically damaged itself to avoid failing entirely. Her options were for Powder's personality to die, for Powder to become a vegetable, or for Powder to actually just die physically. The shock of everything that happened at the end of that episode was orders of magnitude beyond what her already traumatized mind could withstand anymore. Powder had a laundry list of disorders that were relatively minor on their own, but were definitely on track to become something else far, far more serious without extreme care. Vi and Vander did their best, but the fact is that Powder was likely doomed from the start. Because of the events at the end of #3, her brain suffered a total psychotic break. Her mind destroyed itself just to keep her going. That's why Jinx is the way she is. She has only the most tenuous grasp on reality at all. She lacks entirely the capacity to tell the difference between reality all around her, and the nonsense her mind produces within. To her, it's all exactly the same. The only reason she doesn't go completely off the rails at all times, is because her hallucinations are simple, small, and focused. In her mind, that doll of Mylo is ACTUALLY Mylo. She doesn't understand at all that it's not. In her mind, Mylo and Claggor never died. They're still hanging around, teasing her. And on top of it all...there is absolutely NO help for her...anywhere in that world. There's no science of psychology or neurology. There are no therapists. There are no medications of an appropriate composition to get her delusions under control. And even if they did exist, they'd only be available to the wealthiest of Piltover, and not the common folk, or anyone in Zaun. Powder cannot ever be recovered, and Jinx cannot be saved. That's that.
Re: Marcus I changed how I look at Marcus when someone pointed out that in his daughter's drawing, you can see her mom (Marcus' wife) in the sky as an angel. They then asked "what if Marcus' wife was killed by an undercity criminal? Wouldn't that explain his motivations and actions going all the way back to episode one?" And that became my head cannon, because EVERYONE in this show has a complex and tragic back story that explains and motivates their world view and choices. Marcus doesn't treat Zaunites any differently than Vi treats enforcers, and in light of the suggestion of how his wife (and daughter's mother died), his reasons are the same as Vi's. Except instead of having Caitlyn to bridge the gap between Piltover and Zaun like Vi does, or having Viktor like Jayce does, his bridge to the other side of the conflict (Silco) reinforces rather than disproves his biases.
Consider that Powder was also much younger than Vi when they originally lost their parents. If you remember that first scene, Vi broke down and cried, then had a look of revemge. Powder just wanted to be close to her sister, unable to process the loss, too young to understand what happened. This need to belong and be attached to someone, anyone has been Powder's desire. When her sister left it broke her into two.
Some points: The weapon was meant to be a gift to Silco, is shaped as the giant sharks "peril under the surface" that he loved so much. The clouds in Jinx tattoo represents the blue clouds of the explosion in episode 3. The music box with candles that Vi looked at waking up is the same they stole from Jayce, but I have no idea how she found it. Vi as a teenager would love JInx now, because she is a menace to Piltover, but now she has a different view on topsiders. Jinx is chaotic, not dumb, she knew that Vi was far too "human" to accept what she has become. Funny enough, all her atitude was probably an attempt to become someone Vi would be proud of. That's why she is jealous of Caitlyn. Now she decided be the threat to the topsiders Silco wanted her to be, thats why she knows she cant be with Vi.
Now that you've watched Arcane, I have two recommendations for you: first, the 5-part behind-the-scenes series that Riot Games put up on RU-vid called "Bridging the Rift", and second, all of @schnee's videos on the deeper storytelling that is going on in Arcane.
Deep down, Jinx still loves VI, even at the end. That's why when Silco was about to shoot VI, she fired on reflex to protect her sister. It's what to me makes the end scenes so utterly tragic.
41:50 Vi loves Powder. "Powder" died years ago, Jinx is what remains. In Jinx's mind, Vi loves who she WAS, not who she currently is. All the music connects heavily to the scenes the songs play in, but the lyrics of this scene's song in particular (What Could Have Been) really reflects the emotions of the characters (mainly Jinx) in that moment.
One of the best descriptions of the finale. One of the brilliant things about Jinx as a character is that she is both a protagonist in her own story and a villain in almost everyone else's. Good job breaking down how Vi's feelings toward their family end up triggering Jinx. The converse is also true though that if Vi were to address her sister as Jinx would be stomping on her greatest guilt and shame she's lived with for years. So she needs to call her "Sister" or something - problem solved! Jinx's behavior appears to be closely based on borderline personality disorder which fits uncomfortably well. While Jinx's insecurities seem over the top at times, an example of sources of insecurity common in BPD is the fear that becoming healthier will result in being abandoned by loved ones because of feeling that people only stick around because of their dependency. Savika's loyalty isn't to Silco or the Vander but to the cause. She's fed up with Silco and connected with Fin based on that but then Silco reminded her that Fin doesn't give a damn about the cause and she switched back. A few more thoughts about BPD. A key feature is black/white thinking. Which tends to function like a switch with two positions more than a matter of just dramatically overestimating how likely something is to be a way. For example, when it comes to threats to security the switch has positions "not a threat to security" and "threat to security" with practically any threat to security being felt as if it was maximally threatening. Similarly for Powder/Jinx enforcers are "people who killed my parents." So even if Cait is "'people who killed my parents' who got my sister out of prison" it doesn't really help much. :(
The problem with the undercity's independence is power and money. No government is gonna give up on either of those if they can avoid it and the undercity provide Piltover with both power and money. They're an easy boogeyman to use to control the population, they're where the mines are situated (in the fissures) so they provide raw materials, for a long time they could also exploit the population of the undercity (and still do considering there are still miners working for piltover, but less so considering the undercity trade mostly in drugs nowadays although you can be sure that some people in piltover have their hand in that too). As for Powder, I disagree. Vi doesn't have the same trauma as Jinx. She has the same history, but it's not Powder's fault that she's affected differently by it (in part because she was younger when she saw war, Episode 1 implies that Jinx already existed in Powder's mind even at the time and that's not Powder's fault). Now does that justify everything Jinx's does? Not really. That being said I absolutely think it justifies her firing on the council at the end. The council murdered thousands of people from the Undercity, and they only accepted to free Zaun once their back was against the wall (with the undercity having a hextech crystal on top of shimmer). That''s basically like making peace because you just realised the people you've been oppressing for two hundred years have a nuke and are about to use it. Of course it might be too late already. So the council's death at the end and the ensuing war is the council's fault, not Jinx's. In fact "the monster you created" perfectly encapsulate that. The council creating their own destruction in Episode 1 in the first scene. Everything bad that happens in the series is at least in part, and often completely, their fault. They created Jinx. No, the crimes that Jinx commit that aren't excusable are those against her own people, the Zaunites. Not those against the topsiders. As for the "like you used to" line, I don't think Jinx needed to leave Vi more chances to make that call. She's not saying Vi can't love her, she's saying that Vi can't love her the same way that she used to. She was basically counting on Vi to make Jinx her only priority and that it would bring Powder back again which of course was never gonna happen. Jinx is realising that she and Vi changed and that things can't ever be like they used to be and she's correct. That doesn't mean Vi can't love her as she is though and yes she could have given her a chance to do that but since she went into this with the expectation of being the same happy little family again she couldn't get passed the fact that it was impossible. There's no amount of explanation from Vi that could have changed reality. That's one of the things I like with Arcane, while there are definitely moments where circumstances prevent people from communicating, no big plot point is ever really reliant on a miscommunication. Powder hear Vi criticising her in act 1 (even though Vi was actually defending her?), Vi gets the chance to explains what she truly thinks to Powder before something bad happen. Vi hugs Caitlyn? Sure Jinx didn't like that but she correctly assume that Vi is saying goodbye and coming back for her. Silco "betrays" her? Silco gets a chance to explain to her he wasn't going to. Those moments are little needles sapping at a character's confidence or psyche but it's not the miscommunication that creates the issue, it's an accumulation of things.
Fantastic reactions to the season. I really enjoyed it! That last dialogue between the sisters hits everyone hard. The psychology RU-vidr Georgia Dow described it in a way that really opened my eyes. Vi said it early in the first act (maybe ep. 1?) that what makes Powder different makes her strong. It’s delivered like something she always told her sister to raise her spirits and build confidence in herself. But beyond that there’s an unconditional love in that statement. An unspoken idea that Vi accepts and loves her sister for her differences. But now? Now she’s very different. Different in ways she adopted in order to survive and deal (maybe not process but at least deal) with what happened. She’s different. She’s Jinx now. And Vi only sees her as who she was. It’s Reasonable in a way, Vi just wants her sister back. But her sister’s different. And in some ways, VI’s fight to have her back as Powder negates the changes and differences she went through all these years. And in a way it challenges the unconditional love she felt whenever her big sister said: what makes you different makes you strong. Brilliant reactions, and I can’t wait for the next series! Bravo!
A non-spoiler episode 7 description based on your reactions. Silco doesn't lie to Jinx. He may be wrong, but he believes what he tells her. Silco doesn't have access to the complete information that you as the viewer have. (Generally 80% reactors forget this and project all the evil and evil onto Silco. But he only says what he believes.) From his perspective (and remember, Ekko thought similar), Vi just showed up one day out of the blue, with an enforcer, right after Jinx stole the crystal. He called Vi "Vander's prodigy" - Vander who collaborated with the enforcers. It fits right into his world view that Vander's prodigy would do the same. This isn't helped by the fact that to him, he's the one fighting for freedom from the oppressor and Vi bursts in saying she's going to tear it all down. Silco projects his experience with Vander onto Vi. He may draw the wrong conclusion, but between the optics of her return with an enforcer, plus his past with Vander, the conclusion that Vi is working with the Enforcers is reasonable. Silco may be wrong, but from his perspective, he isn't lying. And from his perspective, he's protecting Jinx from a bad influence (Vi). Being wrong but believing what you say is not the same as lying. Every single character in this series is in shades of gray, no black and white. All of them have the characteristics of real-life people. Each character is the hero of their own story from their own perspective. All of them have features that can be understood, hated and empathized. When you watch the series again, you will realize that no character is completely good, angelic or legal. Including Caitlyn, Ekko and Vander.
yes, you have to remember that his view of the world is very jaded and he speaks from his experiences, but his experiences aren't necessarily everyone else's experiences nor are they typical experiences. Not everyone is looking to betray/sabotage you in life. He tries to help Jinx the best that he can, but as he hasn't resolved the demons he faces and because he does not exactly know how to appropriately help her, his efforts come across as misguided and manipulative
everybodylovesrae - "If they don't end up together by the end of this, I am going to go insane!" Me - "Be careful of what you wish for, as you were not very specific"
One significant detail I've noticed in Episode 7, when Jinx is in her lair, arguing with Imaginary-Mylo about Caitlyn, she first says: "She's just some stupid topsider" then after a moment reconsiders and says "Caitlyn." Indicating, I think, that she acknowledges Caitlyn as a person and not just some nameless enforcer. This is important, because throughout all of Season 1 Jinx has proved hesitant and/or unable to kill anyone who she's registered as an actual person with a face and/or name - all her victims (who weren't accidental kills) have been faceless enforcers and random gangsters from the Firelights. Whenever confronted with someone she recognizes, she's always failed to follow through on the kill, (Ekko, Vi, Cait, even Sevika, whom she hates). It may just be my interpretation, but the moment Jinx acknowledged Caitlyn's name, I think Caitlyn was basically safe - Jinx would not be able to kill her (on purpose)... which is why, even when having the perfect opportunity to kill Caitlyn multiple times in episodes 8 and 9, Jinx either misses her shot, chooses to kidnap Caitlyn instead of killing her, or just knocks her unconscious and leaves her be.
@@Yookeroo "tried" being the operative word. She "tried" to kill a lot of people - but always failed to follow through on Ekko, Vi, Cait, and Sevika. Of course this could just be plot armor for named characters - or it could be Jinx subconsciously holding herself back when faced with an opponent that she recognizes as a real person and not just some random enforcer.
@@LadyDoomsinger She killed someone she thought was Vi. That bomb she released when fighting with Ekko wasn’t holding back, subconsciously or otherwise. The only time it could be argued that she was holding back was when she open fired on Vi and Cait, but there’s nothing in the animation or voice acting that suggests she was. I find it a bit of a reach to interpret her actions as holding back.
@@Yookeroo Remember I said "on purpose" - the girl she killed in episode 4 was because she had a psychotic break and lost control and the bomb in the fight with Ekko was primarily to kill herself, because she thought Vi had abandoned her again, replaced her with Cait, and Ekko (her childhood best friend) had just given her a massive beatdown - more importantly, Ekko survived, relatively unharmed, so she couldn't have been trying that hard. Also, I will point out that this was just my personal interpretation, I wasn't suggesting that this is in fact what is going on - it's just the way I read the scenes, because I think it's an interesting thought. It is entirely subjective.
It's really tough to compare Vi and Jinx. Vi has gone through some serious hardship, but she also has a lot of things going for her that Jinx never did. For one, Vi was empowered. She was able to make decisions. She was respected. Heck, even when Vander gave her a stern talking to, he treated her as capable. Vi is also fortunate that she is largely mentally healthy. Jinx, on the other hand, has the double whammy of boatloads of childhood trauma and some pretty obvious signs of paranoid schizophrenia. Most people who suffer from low self-worth don't have to deal with literally hearing voices that repeat negative beliefs. Plus her childhood trauma was harder. As Powder, her sense of self-worth was constantly under assault. It wasn't just the gossip by her well-meaning but frustrated older sister and friends, it was how her repeated failures reinforced the messages. Her autonomy was restricted, too. People just wanted to protect her, but what she learned instead is that she was held back because she's broken. The more she tried to do good for others, the worse she made it for everyone. So she stopped trying, and decided just to hurt the world before it could hurt her, even though hurting others is exactly what caused her pain. The only way she could cope with that was to dissociate. I fully believe that's why she's so violent. It's numbing. It's the only way she knows how to drown out the feelings.
@@everybodylovesrae_ Does psychiatry even exist in the world of Arcane? Certainly it would not have been available to the underprivileged people of Zaun - I don't even think they have schools.
Vi was also panicking when she tries to "wake powder up" because jinx is on the verge of killing caitlyn. If Vi doesnt give pushback jinx will probably just let silco's influence take over, and Vi doesnt wanna lose caitlyn either. So she panicks and does whatever she can to push back against silco
According to Jinx, Vi partnered up with what she hated the most, the enforcers, in order to bring her down, when the truth is that Vi didn't even know the reasons for Caitlyn's presence except some vague investigation into something Silco is doing. You're right that Jinx didn't really ever get the chance to clarify (and it should be said that if she had, it wouldn't have justified a lot of her behavior towards the end and consequently the plot would have taken a different turn). It's interesting, because I don't think Vi ever gained respect for the enforcers, only for Caitlyn herself as a love interest.
the videogames don't go further, because the structure and how the games work aren't really conducive to incorporating the character stories into the games (they're more like counterstrike, fortnite, overwatch, rather than last of us or bioshock). the show actually expands on the characters so much more, it was lovely. Jinx from the game just seems like a cheap harley quinn knock off. Jinx in Arcane... is a fleshed out, damaged, but still undeniably strong character. I was really really impressed by the show, and by the range of perspectives they were able to present in a believable way.
There is a lot of lore in the game, but honestly Arcane was almost all new. We knew bits and pieces, like Jinx and Vi are sisters, Vi and Cait are partners (not necessarily lovers, but it is hinted as a possibility) Singed is a very evil dude, like war crimes, war crimes everywhere, so it was interesting to see a bit more of his motivation, Viktor there is major spoilers for, like Viktor in game is nothing like Arcane's version, I was honestly shocked when he gave his name back in ep. 2. Ekko, we know where he is going, but much like Vi and Jinx, we did not have this much of this backstory in the game. Jayce is actually about the same, just in game he was way more of a arrogant/prideful jerk, his Arcane version is way better. There are some things that are just different too, like Zaun had an academy presence too, which may yet show up now, big difference being Zaun specializes in chemtech, a dirty, unstable tech that can rival hextech. That may be what becomes of shimmer honestly, but aside from that we know pretty much have what is shown in Arcane, the game is a few years ahead in the timeline, but we honestly mostly have just some theory fodder for what season 2 might contain, no solid stuff except Viktor really, and he may be a S3 thing even, no clue. So you arent missing much there, but if you want to see some of the game lore, Necrit does some nice videos on lore, this one in particular nails a lot of the game lore in a general sense: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9ypIpTu3ung.html Outside of that we just have a few bits of knowledge like exactly where the hex gems come from, Ekko having a crush on Jinx when they were kids, or theories, like Vander possibly being one of singed experiments in the game now named Warwick, for sure though we did see a glimpse of what will be Warwick in the montage of that last song in episode 9, mid mutations, and it does vaguely resemble Vander's arm. Plus he has voice interactions in game with Vi and Jinx specifically, so it does have some credibility actually, not to mention Warwick's backstory would potentially line up with Vander, a Zaunite thug who tried to turn his life around, but it caught up with him in the end and he ended up an experiment in Singed's lab. Be pretty tragic if that does end up true, but that is by far the most likely of the rumors I have heard. We can speculate things like Camille being introduced in season 2, just bits from the season cinematic videos (these are worth watching btw if you want a little bit more of Riot's great visual story telling) like the Call, Warriors, and Awaken, but honestly nobody will know until it gets here.
Honestly, this is one of the best parts about Arcane. I played league for years, almost close to a decade. But the plot and story was never really developed. There were some basic relationships established, but not really a story. They did such a great job in Arcane actually giving people a story and tying all the characters together. Im especially excited to see how Ekko develops into the game character and how in S2.
Great reaction series for Arcane! Seems to me like you put a lot of work in, and I appreciate it. This show should be a Masters level course in Animation, Writing, Psychology, and probably 2-5 more things I'm not educated enough to realize went over my head. Hope you didn't have to deal with to many keyboard warriors, or at least you can brush them off and move forward. Again, thank you. Very entertaining watching along with you!
When VI says "then a real monster showed up, and I just ran away" She wasn't talking about Silco or his Shimmer Fiends... She was talking about what Vander warned her of, Vi couldn't tell the difference between friend or foe (rewatch EP3 finale, her looking at her hand, her enemies' blood on her knuckles and her sister's blood on her palm, both red, then look at her face, that horror was her realizing she is a monster, and when you are the monster you cannot run away from it). She attacked her sister and, well, killed her, not with the blow to the face, but with something sharper, words that were spoken true. It just took a decade for the ghost of Powder to leave the realm.
I think there are several ways to interpret that line. One interpretation is as you say - but she could also be referring to Jinx... Jinx is the monster that showed up and "replaced" her sister, and instead of making it "go away" to get Powder back, she "ran away". I think the line is deliberately ambiguous.
@@LadyDoomsinger A monster doesn't make mistakes and plead for her sister to forgive her. A Monster beats such a person, belittles them, then abandons them in the middle of a battlefield that they started. Huh, when said like that... Vi really IS a monster...
@@LadyDoomsinger It is beyond a stretch to apply VI's statement to her sister. Vi's sister only "Shows Up" 4 times in this series from Vi's perspective. EP3 finale, and it was clearly a tragically unsuccessful attempt. EP6 finale, Vi's sister gets attacked by masked individuals (yet again) and defends herself. EP 7 Vi's sister saves her life by killing a bridge full of enforcers who were going to kill her, only to find her hugging one of them, their life long mortal enemies, with the leader of the masked group that has been trying to kill Vi's sister all these years. EP9, after Vi, once again, attacks the Last Drop, and this last one happens after that statement. So where was the Monster? All Vi saw by that point was a reflection of herself on the bridge.
Ekko lowkey had it so fuckin rough and it wasn't highlighted that much in the show. Just like Vi and Powder he lost everyone he was close to, but he didn't have a Silco to turn to like Jinx for help when he was like 11 or whatever, he was solo dolo. And unlike Vi who didn't know what happened to Powder, Ekko had to see her turn into Silco's killer in real time. But! He still managed to create a whole mini civilization in a magic treehouse, fuckin snaps for that. We stan for Ekko here.
People with mental illness sometimes just can't be saved. All the love and all the talk sometimes just is not enough to save a broken person. Shit is sad but not everything gets a happy ending no matter how much you try.
I mean, it’s more Vis issue than jinx’s, like yeah it’s hard to come back to someone like that but Vi had no perspective into jinx’s life or head and refused to accept powder changed. I may have mental illness but I deserve love in my bad times, even if I’m in a constant state of trauma and psychosis.
Yes there are huge spoilers if you play the game since this show is a prequel to the game, we already know where the characters will end up we just don't know the details how they got there.
Silco gassed them because THEY called HIM to a meeting. They are Zaunites who have gained wealth and prosperity through the efforts of Silco, Vander, and the previous resistance. But instead of using their power to fight to free Zaun, they're sitting around complaining about profits. Silco showed them that he doesn't care about their businesses. He wants Zaun free. Otherwise, they'll go back to the same place they were before...kneeling at Piltover's boot and unable to breath the air around them. He's reminding them of the cause they're fighting for. In his mind, he's too busy fighting for Zaun to care about their "petty disputes". That's my interpretation of why Silco did what he did in the meeting.
I have reviewed so many reactions to Arcane and you are the only one who understood the reason why Silko pointed the gun at Vi. Thank you very much for your reactions, you really surprise attention to small details❤️
I emphasize a lot with Jinx, as a younger sister, a bit of a screw-up, and someone with a mental illness. While I don't endorse violence, I can certainly relate to Jinx's troubled mind and difficulty dealing with the chaos around her - and her desire to lash out at the world. That said, I don't think it's fair to blame Vi - she meant well, but was ultimately ill-equipped to handle what her sister was going through... or even understand it.
Silco saw himself in Powder, he had no idea Marcus snuck Vi away, so, when Powder lept into Silco's arms and said that her sister abandoned her, he looked up towards Vander's body and he instantly understood what Powder was feeling, he comforted her in the rain and softly told her "It's Ok,We're show them,we're show them all". There was real empathy there. For Silco though could only teach Powder how he overcame betrayal,he thought if he taught her the same lessons he learned it would help her, it did not help her as much as he wanted to, she did become a strong and independent and she is Victor tier Smart. Jinx though did change Silco, he truly cared for her and so much so he was willing to go to prison instead of her and even willing to give up his dreams and all he worked. When he visited Vander's Statue, that was it. He understood why his brother abandoned they're dream of a Free Zaun, it was for the love of Vi and Powder, and now Silco is in the same position Vander was. He was not going to give her up. "Loyalty & Love'". I think Vi was more of a threat to him because Vi was the only one who could take his daughter away from him. Silco never got over his abandonment issues, he did not want to be alone again. That was why he lied about Vi, She was going to take Jinx from him. His last words were so genuine and meaningful. Throughout the season he said "Jinx is Perfect" and yet after Jinx shot him, instead of anger, his words were of comfort and reassurance, "You're Perfect" not Jinx is perfect but "You're Perfect" I think that had a more powerful meaning behind that. Whether she is Powder or Jinx or a combination of both she is Perfect in his eyes, despite her flaws. Silco went from heartless and broken to a flawed but loving father.
@29:44 this is the best part of the reaction. I like that you still refer to her as powder here. The first time I watched this show, Vi was obviously the most relatable character. Most relate to her morality, because the show makes it the easiest character to emotionally relate to. For me, it wasn't until looking at it more deeply, and multiple times, that I realized no character is evil. And that's what makes the show great. The confusion here is a byproduct.
@everyonelovesrae you declare "She didn't betray her!" But Whose name did Jayce drop at the meeting with Silco? How did he learn that name? Vi betrayed her sister at the council meeting, and Jayce demanded her head, without that info he would not have been able to claim her sister's life in exchange for the peace deal. Get this, the council didn't close the canopy of the council chamber during that meeting. How did Jinx know where to find Caitlyn? Jinx was at the council meeting listening in from above, that is where she went as soon as she regained consciousness from Singed's table. You see the top down viewpoint when Vi and Cait are talking outside the council in the rain, that is Jinx's viewpoint from above, this is the only time when Jinx could have heard Vi use the nickname "Cupcake". Jinx then follows Caitlyn to her house and awaits her after the shower. Then an hour or so later she tracks down Silco, and eve drops on his meeting with Jayce, then follows Silco to the statue where she misunderstands Silco's decision, and takes him captive as well. Then it is off to The Last Drop where she collects Vi.
Vi said Jinx not Powder. Notice any other time she talks about her she calls her Powder not Jinx. And she brought up Jinx's name so she could save Cait from having to lie. Which she clearly was doing. Cait was willing to lie for Vi even though that goes against her morals and Vi gave up Jinx so Cait wouldn't have to do that. That's called love and remember Vi loves Powder not Jinx
Also, remember Episode 6, Vi literally says: "You can fire that thing [gun] if you want, but I'm not going to abandon you again." Skip to Episode 7, Jinx "fires that thing [gun]" and Vi abandons her again.
@@harryballsak1123 Exactly the problem; to Vi, Jinx and Powder are two separate entities, not the same person... She refuses to acknowledge that Jinx is her sister, only changed by time and trauma - instead clinging to an idealized memory of who Powder used to be. Which is why Jinx asked "Are we still sisters?" and "I thought you could love me like you used to." She is aware that Vi doesn't love her, that Vi doesn't consider Jinx her sister. To Vi Jinx is some kind of "monster" that took over her sister and that she needs to make "go away" to get her sister back. Vi is adamantly and repeatedly rejecting Jinx as her sister. No wonder Jinx eventually gives up trying to reach her.
@@harryballsak1123 Notice how none of that matters? If she had said "Powder" it would have been better, as no one knows who Powder is, except like 6 people, and Silco would have convincingly denied knowing anyone alive by the name of "Powder" as Powder" is dead. Vi gave up her sister for execution because it would cause an inconvenience for Cait? Yeah, that makes Vi sound like a solid individual. the exact manner doesn't matter, as without that action her sister would not have become a political bargaining chip, because her sister was the lowest thing on Vi's list of priorities. That is also the last time you hear Vi mention her sister till she wakes up at the Tea Party, Vi only wanted Silco dead, even if it meant her sister dying also. Vi is also wrong about whether Silco can be negotiated with, Silco explicitly stated he DIDN'T want a WAR with Piltover, he wanted them too scared to even try to occupy the Undercity, he wanted a seat at the negotiating table, Vi poisons Jayce's ear and talks him into attacking against the council's ruling, which Ultimately leads to Silco's death and the death of the peace treaty they would have had. Vi doesn't care about the peace deal, she explicitly didn't want a peace deal if it meant Silco still lived. Which means Vi is worse than Silco, Silco would have let his enemies live if it got him his goals. Every time, EVERY TIME, something else came up it took priority over Vi's sister. Name one time Vi had a choice between doing 2 things and she chose going after her sister... Vi even EXPLICITLY states this in the show, and demonstrates it repeatedly. Vi to Silco in EP6 "I am going to erase whatever fucked up delusions you have put in my sister's head, BUT FIRST (magic words, this means whatever she said before this is a lower priority) I am going to tear down your little empire." Vi in EP5 attack Sevika or stealthily gather info about where her sister is, only one of these is allows the other as a follow-on option... Caitlyn gets a scratch on her leg or go to her sister who just walked into view? Do you think Jinx would have fired on Caitlyn and VI, if Vi had put Caitlyn down and went to her sister? Vander warned Vi that she'll just get more people killed... and guess what? Cait's mother died as a direct result of Vi revealing her sister's name at the council, along with 4 other Councilors (Jinx Ult from across the map, gets a PentaKill in the Enemy Base, Living the Dream, Baby!). Only Jayce, Victor and Mel survive (Mel's armor saves her). Victor loses his arm, 3/3 for Jinx explosions removing arms (Sevika, Marcus, Victor). Victor has to use the captured Shimmer vials that the Enforcers removed at the beginning of EP9 and the Hexcore to save his life, and complete his transformation. Noxxus will try to capitalize on the chaos causing the Piltover/Zaun issue to resolve with Zaun being independent just like Silco wanted, and Noxxus's attempts at seizing either will fail. Singed will leave Piltover to work for Noxxus as they will provide him with the materials and access to magic to continue his work on restoring his daughter, using a Hexcore as the center of his daughter's new body. During which time he will deploy chemical weapons in Ionia. And finally Vi gets schooled by Warwick for abandoning the Undercity, and Jinx torments Vi and Piltover repeatedly until the current timeline, with a remarkedly low bodycount, because that is what Silco (Fishbones, her rocket launcher) wanted.
@@Hawkido I think you’re exaggerating the motivations for why vi gave the name to the council, she wouldn’t actually give jinx up to the council she just gave the name to push the council to act against silco. Remember that vi thinks that independence of zaun with silco is not good, she thinks silco needs to pay for all the terrible stuff he did to the undercity, that’s why vi is fighting so hard for war but also because she thinks that the death of silco would bring her sister back. Also the way your blame silco’s death, the councils death and the war between piltover and zaun entirely on vi makes no sense since it was caused by many factors and character decisions.
Sorry, but Vi could never accept who Jinx is. Because the real Powder now IS Jinx. For Jinx to be with Vi she needs to change back into Powder which she can't.. because Powder is gone. She is now the product of her circumstances and Zaun. Vi can't condone Jinx's crimes. I actually agree with Silco when he said “.. it will be a day or two until she realizes you aren't that girl anymore and turn her back on you.” I have seen it many times in real life.. and I actually can relate. When you idealize someone you really don't know anymore.. you promise them love and acceptance and they turn out to be not that kind of person you assumed they were and you leave them.. in their eyes you betrayed them.
Silco isnt evil... He doesnt kill, main and destroy for pleasure or fun. He IS the bad guy, yes. But he, like Vander, started out a freedom fighter trying to free his people from oppression. He was actually the good guy. With every set back, with every betrayal he grew more and more jaded and he genuinely believe violence is the ONLY language Piltover understands. And he think the only way to beat such a overpowering opponent is, just like he says, to stop at nothing. There is no half speed or you will lose. Violence isnt even his first priority, or he wouldnt even have net with Jayce to negotiate peace. He just, up until that moment, didnt see another way. His cause is actually just, its his methods that makes him tve villlain but you cant have a just cause and be evil, theyre mutually exclusive. Evil is by its very nature an unjust concept. If anything Piltover are the actual villains. Vi, Jinx and Silco are really just a product of their environment, an environment Piltover was the direct cause of. I also dont think Silco lied to or manipulated Jinx. Even if sone things he said wasnt true, Silco thoughts it was. He constantly defended her from any and all critizism, eveb fron his oen crew, actions that almost got him assassinated by his own subordinates, he was about to give up EVERYTHING for her, his lifes ambition, his purpose, everything he faught, killed and bled for. All cuz he simply couldnt give up the ine person he genuinely loved. These behaviour doesnt match up with lying ans manipulating her. You either wouldnt manipiulate and lie someone you love this much OR you wouldnt risk your position, your lifes work, your purpose and your life for a person you didnt love. People always seem to overlook that Silco is a seriously damaged individual a well. Grew up in a lawless war zone, murder and rovbery around every corner, running and hiding fron the oppressor. Only to be betrayed and almost murdered by his brother. Its probably a fair bet to assume he has PTSD as well, along with major trust issues and paranoia and a pathological need for control. Anyway, Silco was the villain but he wasnt evil. Its actually one of this shows absolutely strongest points. Nothing is black or white, no one is completely heroic, also no one is completely villainous... Its all in shades of gray, some are further towards the white, some are further towards black but bo one actuslly is. Theyre all people and they all have valid and logical (atleast under their circumstances) reasons for doibg what they do. You may not like their approach or methods but its very easy to understand why they do what they do. This is what makes this show feel so shockingly real and authentic. Theyre all extrenely human, for better or worse.
I mean while I agree nothing is black and white when it comes to Silco we see that his intentions really aren’t that pure through Ekko. Silco flooded the undercity with shimmer an extremely addictive drug. From what I understand the two half of the city were already pretty outside of each others business. I agree this is still a problem because the council should have been doing so much more. But the worst parts of the under city are because of Silco. Was he right in some aspects yes but he had this sense of grandeurs and let it color everything he did. The end justifies the means.
Sorry this turned out a bit long. I am in no way trying to come for yours or anyone’s opinions, just trying to explain the other side of the situation. Just wanna say I absolutely LOVE this show and loved seeing your reaction to it! You mentioned during I think Ep 9 that you side/relate to Vi more than Jinx, and I think that’s why you said you were confused and frustrated at the end. Vi is also completely confused, frustrated, maybe scared during the end tea party as well. Since you relate more to Vi, you share more of the same thinking and viewpoints as her. So you end up essentially seeing the whole situation and possibly show through Vis perspective, while others are seeing it through Jinx’s, which are two very conflicting sides. I grew up as the younger sister, so that may play into me understanding Jinx’s POV better. Don’t get me wrong I still completely understand Vi’s side too, I just feel slightly more connected to/invested in/mainly sorry for Jinx. She’s one of those characters that I truly love because she makes me really feel the pain of her situation, and I just want her to end up in a better situation/mental state in future seasons. As the younger sister, you look up to your older sister and try to be like her, impress her, prove you can do things. And that’s exactly how Powder is during Act 1. I have in NO way had any experiences similar to Jinx’s (thank god), but was able to see and understand the trauma she has because of the outcome of Ep 3, and how Vi telling her to “wake up” was absolute torture for her. Kind of lost my train of thought of where I was going with this, 😅 but basically I empathize with Jinx/Powder more. Welcome to the club of painfully waiting for Season 2🥲
Jinx's trauma comes from killing her whole family and being what she feared most; Milo being right and her being a jinx. Vi's trauma comes from Vanders 'wise' words "whatever happens its on you" and having left Powder in a moment which she regrets. One of the things I love about this show is how it takes things like Vander's speech to Vi about responsibility and being a leader. How when people look up to you you say fire and they show up with oil, whatever happens its on you. At the time you think what great fatherly advice. Then the ironically later there's a tragic twist and those words are the opposite of what Vi needs and just wreck her. Vi did make Jinx; not by abandoning her but Vi is the one who encouraged her to make deadly nail bombs, Vi's the one who showed her violence was how you handle problems. Vi left her at home when they went to save Vander because she 'was not ready'; her bombs didn't work, her competence with violence was lacking, she was not strong enough. Notice when Vi slaps Powder she doesn't say 'why did you hit me' or 'why are you so made at me'. She says 'why did you leave me'. Vi as a sister is almost as messed up as Silco is as a father.
Don't really agree with that last statement... I think you're forgetting that when Vi left Powder, she was 14 years old, while Silco is a full-grown adult??
Silco was basically telling Powder to finish Caitlyn.. What should anyone expect Vi to do? Do nothing? Sure maybe she could've handled it better... Probably, although I don't know how.. But, come on, even if there is something else that could have been done, would you really be able to think in that situation 🙁 Although, yes, it was triggering Jinx's PTSD, Vi basically had no choice 🙁 She wouldn't have said those things either if it weren't for Silco's "Finish it."
Oh btw, i'm saying this for the commenters, because I feel like Vi's taking too much attacks and Silco is getting away way too easily... Although I do sympathize with Silco for his love for Jinx
@@myplaylist5825I don’t think anyone is denying that Silco is a bad person, and if they are then they’re simply wrong. A bad person can still love somebody and have people they care for, and that also doesn’t mean that love is always healthy either. But Vi still fucked up and it’s understandable. This entire series is a series of unfortunate events that could have gone better but it’s understandable that they didn’t. Just as you can sympathize with Silco for his love for Jinx, others and I can sympathize with VI’s love for Jinx (more specifically Powder than Jinx). She made bad choices throughout this entire series that we can once again, *understand* .But that doesn’t make them not bad choices. Every character is flawed and makes good and bad decisions and that’s why this show is good.
@@xArt_16 @xArt_16 Very well put! I think we are in agreement here ❤️ And yeah you're probably right, in this comments section, nobody is really saying Silco is not a bad person. I think my "agitation" came from a lot of other people that are not necessarily from this comments section, though it got exacerbated a lot by the unintentional implication in many of the comments here that Silco becomes a hero who is just defending Powder from Vi + juxtapose it with a lot of comments saying how Vi basically do not love Jinx/abandoned Jinx. My fault lies there, though in my defense, I think the there is a lot of oversimplification going on as well (that mostly justifies Silco and mostly admonishes Vi) , which led to the impression that even in this comments section, Vi is a bit... Villified (?) and Silco is not seen as a bad person? And that only very few could sympathize with Vi... I'm pretty glad to find that it's not just me and a few others who sympathize with Vi's love for Powder ❤️ Anyway, aside from that, thank you so much, and everything else, especially the part where you say that love isn't always healthy and that a bad person can still love somebody, is something that resonates a lot with what I think, and imo a chef's kiss way of summarizing Silco/Vi dilemma 👌
@@myplaylist5825 Originally I read a lot of hate for Vi although I think that has calmed down with the years. Vi did nothing wrong. Even her mishandling of Powder in Ep 3 which is bad, is understandable in the context. She's not even leaving Powder, she looked at her hands, saw the blood and realise she needed some space to avoid hurting Powder further. Even when she leaves she's doing it for Powder. Sure that's not what she should have done (get Powder the hell away to safety and then get some space as well as telling her she's not leaving for good). but there's a difference between badly handling a situation and doing something wrong. Vi could not be expected to react any better at her age in this situation, she's not thinking clearly about anything right now. Then post timeskip she has literally 5 minutes in total with Jinx. And every time she actually make progress until someone else interrupts. Sure she makes mistakes too that can trigger Jinx but she is making progress until Ekko or Silco get involved in the discussion (not to blame Ekko for this because his point of view was perfectly understandable too, it's just a fricking shame)
Is Silco really EVIL though? In an idealistic world, the end doesn't justifies means, but that's not always true. As in essence there are only two types of violence, violence to attack and oppress and violence to defend and as a means of liberation. So put in that context, how can a country gain independence from another without some form of violence? Edit: Without his actions, the council wouldnt have even considered giving Zaun their independence
exactly. and you look at real life examples (albeit those are more complicated and it's not a direct comparison). some of the medicine and systems we depend on relied on our ancestors engaging in deplorable and immoral acts. That's why episode 3 title and what silco says is so important - even if you don't agree with it, you can't deny there's some truth in it - "the base violence necessary for change". With real, true, deep and substantive change, especially in society and paradigms, there always seems to be a level of violence involved. There is a baseline that needs to be met before people will take action.
You looked at things from multiple perspectives, which is more than a lot of people do. I think one of the most important takeaways from Arcane is that good intentions without power and wisdom accounts for absolutely nothing, or may even make things worse.
The problem with VI and Jinx is they are really different. Maybe same trauma but very, very different characters. Vi is straithforward, resilient and, to be honest, not the sharpest knife in the kitchen. Jinx on the other side is unstable and brilliant, even as a kid. Vi is simpleminded - to the benefit she can go trough many thing and just shake off, to the hindrance she cant understand many things, with her sister in the first place.
Jinx, "Didn't give Vi a chance" because from her perspective, she IS totally different. There she is, waltzing around the undercity with an enforcer, who literally murdered there original parents. Last she knew, Vi was all gung-ho about a violent revolution, and actually a lot like SIlco (Both talk a lot about "Respect" and not wanting to live under Piltovers shadow), and now she is working against that. To top it all off, she explicitly told Vi that she wasn't Powder any more, and Vi still doesn't even know her name. Yes, we all understand why. But how do you explain that to a twice orphaned, traumatized orphan turned child soldier, groomed by a psychopath, with a staggering guilt complex over something that was legitimately her fault, and undiagnosed Schizophrenia? No one here is a villain. They are all just trapped in a cycle of violence. Also, telling Vi that she made Jinx is probably a plus in Jinx's mind, its who she wants to be. The thing that she resents Vi for is that she kept her alive. It sounds nice that she kept her alive, but Jinx has already tried to kill herself once, while fighting Ekko. Vi keeping her alive represents Jinx's continued suffering.
Tried to kill herself twice. When she lifts her gun toward Caitlyn, just before they start shooting and Vi stops them, you can hear Milo saying "It's time to leave them."
Even at the end Vi was still calling Jinx, Powder. Vi loves Powder not Jinx. And that's why Jinx says "I wish you could love me like you used to". She wants Vi to love Jinx like she loves Powder. Powder is dead and Vi just won't accept that. Until Vi can love Jinx they will be enemies. While Silco is manipulative and toxic towards Jinx he suffers from the same fear of abandonment issues as Jinx. His manipulations are more from not wanting Jinx to leave him.
Yeah I understood that part, which is why I was talking at the end about how Vi wasn't given the proper time to actually learn who Jinx is let alone love her. I think it's also important to remember that Vi had been in a cell for several years, holding onto the last memory she had of her sister, while said sister was out in the world changing. I think Vi naturally held onto the idea of the sister she left behind as a way to hold onto her life before the events of ep 3, and it would take anyone a substantial amount of time to relearn someone who is suddenly more so a stranger now.
@@everybodylovesrae_ Absolutely - you can be annoyed or disagree with any of the choices the characters make throughout the show... but nobody can claim that what they do doesn't make sense based on who they are and what they've been through. By the way, I'm team Jinx (based entirely on Arcane. I don't play the game) - While I obviously don't agree with her violent tendencies, her frame of mind, the way she sees the world, and struggles to deal with those around her, her own fears, and her own emotions is very relatable to me. It's interesting to me that you called Jinx "unpredictable" - because I thought the opposite: once you understand how her mind works, her actions and choices become very much sensible and logical (from her point of view) For example, once you understand Jinx, you'd realize that she'd never actually put Caitlyn's head on a platter to mess with Vi - for one thing, she loves Vi and isn't actually trying to trick or harm her... in her own way, she's just trying to make Vi understand her, the only way she knows how... But more importantly, throughout the show Jinx has *never* shown any inclination to mess with dead bodies or delighting in gore - quite the contrary, she has pretty much completely ignored dead things... sure she kills and explodes stuff, but it's always been in a "make them go away" kind of way, not a "I wanna murder you" deal. Ever since the bridge scene in Episode 1, Powder was shown to avert her eyes when confronted with death and gore - a trait that persists through the entire show. Even her preferred methods of killing (minigun and explosives) are impersonal and imprecise, despite it being established that she is a very accurate shot with a pistol. The few times she does use her pistol, she doesn't actually look directly at the person (or bird) she's shooting.
@@everybodylovesrae_ Well Jinx hasn't exactly been known for her patience. To Jinx it's "This is who I am do you love me or not" the concept of giving Vi time to process doesn't occur to her. And I don't think Vi will ever accept Jinx as I think she's incapable of letting Powder go. Just the same Jinx incapable of realizing Vi can love her AND Cait. The song at the end pretty much details Jinx thought process from here on out. I think it's Season 2 in nutshell "I am the monster you created You ripped out all my parts And worst of all, for me to live, I gotta kill the part of me that saw That I needed you more I hope you know we had everything And you broke me and left these pieces I want you to hurt like you hurt me today and I want you to lose like I lose when I play what could have been Oh, what could have been Why don't you love who I am? What we could have been"
Lul, she didn't lose two dads: she lost 3 dads; the first (along with her mother) gave her attachment and abandonment issues to the point of full blown anxiety panic attacks, one who took her in and became her safe place which she was responsible for the death of, and the third father she straight up just killed. You're cheering her killing Silco but no matter how messed he and their relationship was he was her father whom she loved and was loved by. He was the only person who accepted her as she was and loved her unconditionally. Vi's does not love Jinx, Vi loves Powder and so her love is no longer fully unconditional. Vi will ALWAYS want Powder back and no matter what happens or how much help Jinx gets Powder is never and can never come back. She can maybe stop being 'Jinx' but she will never revert to being 'Powder'. After episode 3's Powder instigated carnage and just killing the one person who loved and raised her you couldn't see that this would cement her persona as Jinx forever?
Okay but if jinx was still powder silco would not love her so he does not love her unconditionally either. In fact, silco pushed her to become jinx. And get rid of Powder.
People really cant see whats going on when Silco and Vi are yelling things to Jinks. They always root for Vi but if you watch everything she says is hurting her. Bad memories of bad things. Vi is doing the damage there. I think your the first one to see it.
What are you on about? Literally all reactors I've seen can see that Vi was hurting Jinx. Its pretty blatantly shown. Edit: on the contrary, she's the first one I've seen who only retroactively realized it lol.
Both were doing damage, overwhelming her. And silco's manipulation for years is what led her to this point where she still hadnt actually dealt with all that trauma
Hey there! Loved the vid. You gots a subscribe! One quick point of lore - my understanding is that the major reason Piltover doesn't want the Undercity to be independent because it is their primary source for cheap labor (and also a large market for low-cost goods). An independent Zaun means having much less control over rates and working conditions for the miners and everything that entails. Take care and keep being awesome!
I think it's also mentioned that all the mines are in Zaun - and if Zaun becomes independent Piltover will basically have no natural resources of their own.
Vi doesn't want a relationship with Jinx, she wants her sister "Powder" back. The problem is that Powder is already gone. Ekko was right. Even though Vi is by blood her sister, for some VERY formative years of Jinx's growth and development, Vi was in prison. As well intentioned as Vi certainly is, she can't accept what literally everyone else is telling her; Powder is gone. Sometimes we lose things, and there is no getting them back. Part of growing up is learning to accept that that happens sometimes, and we have to keep going.
I agree but not with everything you said. I think Vi wants a relationship with jinx, the only problem is that she was the only one who suddenly arrived in the situation. ekko already knew how to deal with jinx, but Vi didn't, because she was trapped all these years, so it's hard for her to process everything in such a short time and understand what was out of her capacity at the moment. you can see that she wants to understand everything that happened and that she wants to stay with jinx regardless of everything, but now... who will she have to protect, this time, from jinx herself? I think it is difficult for the two to be together in the end, which makes the situation even more tragic. it seems that everything conspires against the two sisters and that is so frustrating bc they rlly love each other after all. as Vi said, she is willing to fight for her sister
@mariabonfim4453 it's a beautiful tragedy, no matter what angle it's viewed from. The heartbreak of wanting a relationship with someone, but too much has happened. Like Ekko said, "people change." Sometimes there just is no walking back from what we've become, no matter how much we want to.
FYI, I don’t think the game itself really has a plot line. As I understand it, it’s just a PvP arena game that has character bios. They’ve spun off comics, this, and whatnot, but you don’t have to worry about the game having gone beyond the storyline.
Jinx was mentally unstable since the begining. That is clearly shown in the first episides.. Her problem with caitlyn i believe, comes from the fact that Jinx can tell Vi has feelings for Cait. Jinx can't comprehend how she is no longer No1 in Vi's book. She just cannot accept that her sister has grown to love and care for someone else, sometimes even leaving Jinx behind (ep 7). That and her hate towards the enforcers make Cait no1 enemy and she just struggles with this from ep6 onwards.. Add some shimmer into the mix and Powder to Jinx transformation is complete.
There's also the fact that Vi keeps rejecting Jinx as her sister - insisting that "Powder is still in there" and she can "come back"... But Jinx isn't some separate personality, Jinx *is* Powder, and in rejecting Jinx, Vi is (unintentionally) rejecting her sister as she is - add to that, that she seems to have grown close to someone else, and it's not really that hard to understand how Jinx might come to the conclusion that she's being replaced.
who even are mad about your insights about jinx as a character lol anyways i have the same thoughts with you about everything. also this is your channel and reaction ppl who are watching should just respect your thoughts and its not that serious. 😂 my fave character is Mel and im not even mad at your reactions towards her because she is real manipulative LMFAO i definitely enjoy your reactions though i will be subscribing.
its lowkey creepy how some of these people would talk about powder/jinx 💀 she’s such a good character ofc (all the characters here are well written), but just like joker, it’s the fans that are CRINGE
Kinda cool that you're a Violyn shipper. :3 Me too, BTW. It's a lot to unpack, complex and multifaceted. Did I have a favorite? Hmm... Well, Mel, Cait, Vi and Jinx are all of equal awesomeness to me. Hypothetical gun to head: Jinx. Otherwise, c'mon. They were all awesome. I think war between Piltover and Undercity was inevitable. There was too much classism and lack of any form of empathy or willingness to accept repercussions, and, with the growth of economy and industry brought about by the Hexgates, that divide grew exponentially. Peace wasn't going to happen, because Silco died. Peace wasn't going to happen because if Silco lived, he wasn't going to hand over Jinx. Peace wasn't going to happen because Jinx wasn't going to turn herself in, and that was the one condition Jayce stipulated, and was inflexible on, regardless of what the Council voted on. Peace wasn't going to happen because Piltover didn't care about the economic wellbeing of the denizens of Undercity, didn't want to pay for the privilege of dumping their toxic waste into Undercity's water supply, or come up with a better solution. Peace wasn't going to happen because both sides had demonized and othered the opposition for generations, and that wouldn't just... turn off because of a piece of paper saying -- be nice, we're chill with each other now. Lots of bigotry in taking a slice of that humble pie. So many factors that point to cyclical, violent clashes, and war is the logical consequence. I think Silco's death will have the most profound, damaging repercussions overall. The power vacuum left behind by his death will be (potentially?) beyond chaotic. The spiraling collateral damages from nuking the Council are going to be (potentially?) brutal, both on a personal, character level (for those that survive), but also on the macro level with boulder sized stones being thrown at each factions glass houses. Just thoughts. :D Great reaction series! Don't get stressed about opinions -- everyone has them. Here's looking forward to something we can ALL agree on. Season two! Whoop whoop! Cheers
To put into perspective, Vi wanted Powder back, it's sad but she's not just Powder anymore she's also Jinx, maybe that's why Jinx said that. Yes, Vi loves her sister Powder, but Jinx knows she's not that Powder anymore. It's very tragic but it's very logical if you think about it. Also since childhood Jinx suffers from insecurities maybe that's why she can't accept the love offered by Vi for Powder because shes not that person anymore.
Funny how people fully sympathize with Jinx because of her backstory of how she came to be but not other characters like Silco and Marcus even they are straight-forwardly tragic people who are just caught-up in situations.. just because they aren't the main characters. Silco and Marcus at least have goals.. like betterment of the undercity and trying to do the right things and protect their loved ones.. while Jinx is only battling about her identity.
@@everybodylovesrae_ i dont know what is this hate for Marcus. I see a lot of ppl hating him. The only part where he is straight up bad is at the first few episodes. He is young and he wants to show everyone that he is a big guy. Thats why he goes to check up on Vander behind Greysons back etc. Then in episode 3 he makes a 180°. He sees that what he has done is wrong. He does not kill Vi as i assume Silco wanted from him, just put her in jail without any mention of her, so he kinds of saves her and keeps her safe. Then later the only reason he works with Silco is that he saw what Greyson had with Vander and he tries to do that. He fails and Silco threatens her daughter which keeps him with Silco. He even thinks about blowing himself up just to get rid of Silco. So in the end Marcus is not that bad of a person, he is just trapped in circumstances.
Grayson worked with Vanderbilt to keep the peace. Marcus is being paid off by Silco. He’s corrupt. Probably the most “evil” character in the series. At least Silco has noble goals. His path to those goals? Not so noble.
The way people defend Jinx and Silco commiting literal mass murder in the comments like "they have trauma so they're allowed!!! The way Vi hurts people's feelings is a much bigger crime"
Piltover is essentially a foreign nation occupying Zaun. The enforcers are the occupying army, and the council their government. Acts of war against both are justified, just as it was justified for Americans to kill redcoats.
Jinx's pursuit tendancy for violence and disregard for human life I believe happened off screen in the time skip. Powder would resort to violence in defense but Silco undoubtedly taught her violence can be a tool and acceptable. Also I can imagine him killing people in front of her as well as making her kill in front of him. Several quotes hint at her being Silco's loyal "peacekeeper" keeping the Chem barons in line and stopping any uprising. Caitlyn remarks that her attacks have been isolated in the undercity meaning Jinx has been attacking her own Zaunites. Second is Sevika who says "she works for him." Third is Finn who calls her Silco's dog which definitely sounds like Silco's personal terrorist who will never question an order and forever loyal. Obviously she also hunts the Firelights whose leader was once her best friend. Edit: Spelling
Jinx's view on violence started before the timeskip. She says to Vi, "But you changed too." Violet was very violent and reckless as a child. To the point where Vander had to tell Vi to realize that the other kids were following her footsteps and she needed to do better. I think it's really shown when Vi and the boys get into the street fight when they were kids and Powder is watching. Yes you could say that was all in self dense tho Violet was the one that threw the first punch while Claggor wanted to go peacefully, and no where near as murderous or extreme it was still violence and recklessness. Rewatch the street fight scene and notice how it's slow motion bring emphasis to how brutal and mess the fighting is, going back and forth between the violence and Powder, the sad music that plays and the incredible shot of everyone fighting and Powder directly in the center of the show bearing witness to it with fear in her eyes. Vi is the one that exposed her to that level of violence despite being a young kid.
Powder threw a nail bomb at a kid while being a kid. A nail bomb. This is even touched on again in the scene with Jinx and Chuck, where the failure of her nail bomb is inverted into a sick joke.
I love the additional thoughts you have from editing/post editing, it really satisfies the itch in me when you might miss a certain point in a scene (like where vi was triggering jinx and silco was mad). I really really hope you react to attack on titan one day, because it seems like a regular shoujo/dude anime that's just about action and gore, but actually it focuses on people and motivations and the concepts of ends justifying the means vs personal and societal goals.
I'm sorry if you thought there was a happy ending here, but as you see now, this is a tragedy. I would have been fine if that was the end of this story, and we look at different characters in different lands, Runeterra is a large place, but we know we'll be back here next season, which I'm good with, love the show. I imagine others have touched on a lot of this already, but, here's my twenty cents. First and foremost, Vi and Jinx. There's no question that Vi loves her sister, but as you pointed out, they are worlds apart, the world stood still for Vi while in prison, and she wanted to get back to Powder, Powder. For Jinx though, she's had to live, grow, survive, all with her ever growing mental hardships, so when Vi hits the streets running, and goes to find Powder, she's not there anymore, like Silco said.. she's not that little girl any more, but while yes given the time, Vi could have come to know the person her sister has come to grow into and no doubt still love her, events that had been set in motion simply did not allow for that. Silco was the sole individual who, faults and all, accepted Jinx for who she was in the moment. The line "Silco thought he made me.. but he didn't.. you did." We have to remember, these characters are not omniscient, they can only speak from their perspective, and while Jinx may think that, we as the viewer of course.. know that's not true. Why do I say this? Odds are that Powder had a predisposition for mental illness, growing up where and how she did, think back (or simply rewatch), the very first opening scene with Vi and Powder on the bridge, the scratchy lines over the enforcers face... those remind you of anything? We didn't know it at the time, but we were seeing how Powder viewed the enforcer in that moment. With much more violence to come, and no doubt therapists in the way we know of them in our world and time surely not existing, well.. she turned out as we saw her, as Jinx, sculpted by many chisels, not just one. Sevika, she was a true G through and through, you mentioned that she betrayed Vander, but that's not at all the case, as it was Vander that turned his back on the Cause, and that's what Sevika is loyal to, and Silco was the one taking up and continuing that fight, so certainly she's going to back him. Finn didn't care about the Cause, he and the other Chem Barons just cared about profits, much like Piltover's council, so he never had a chance with her. Silco was slipping though, and as the true G that she is, being upfront (as she was with Vander) she let Silco know that there might be others. Vi.. Vi I didn't love, I don't know, I guess I feel the writers just made a few missteps with her I suppose. If we follow her time line, she's a young girl looking to fight against topside, hell if things had turned out differently, she might have sided with Silco and been Sevika's protege, but they turned out as they did.. Episode 8 was a bit weird to me, for her as a character, when she's in the Counsel chamber, she drops her sister's name to them, naming her as the maker of the bombs, if it wasn't for her Jayce wouldn't even know to ask Silco for her, he could have given them anyone.. then she goes and leads a platoon of Piltover's enforcers into the Underground... the very thing she hated. She went from that girl looking to fight top side, to sitting in Piltover's prison to rot away for years.. then within like two days of her release seemingly totally forgetting about the hate she had for them for all the things they have done. We have to remember, once the time jump happens, this all takes place over a very short amount of time. Just didn't sit right with me I guess. As for the actual game, there's Lore, but it's very sparse, the majority of the lore found here was created for the show, hell even Vi and Jinx hadn't been confirmed as sisters officially until the show.. There's.. so much more I could go into this show and characters, and no doubt other's have, there are some really good write ups out there
Something a lot of people miss during the silco and the chembarons meeting is that even sevika has a mask, showing that silco has suffered worse air rhan even her As for why he didnt address their points Hes a mobboss, theyre getting uppity, hes basically showing them who is boss and not to question him
Was cool to see you realize in that edit commentary why Vi was really not getting it and it was interesting to see you also not get it in the exact same way. Jinx doesn't feel like Powder anymore so her sister coming out of nowhere screaming at her about how she needs to be Powder again is just traumatic and frustrating for her. She just wanted Vi to accept her for who she is now and Vi never did that, kept trying to "snap her out of it".
Agreed. Jinx is who she is now - and Vi refusing to accept this, and rejecting her for the benefit of a memory of who she used to be plays a large part in things turning out the way they did.
@@LadyDoomsinger Its funny, I'm 44 and I really enjoyed this show and watched it with my wife and definitely associated with and understood some characters and viewed others as being naïve or impulsive. I understood Silco and Vander and also Victor and sympathized with each of them. Jayce, Katlyn and Vi though just seemed completely naive. Jayce just did what other people suggested not seemingly able to think through things himself, Katlyn just wanted the world to be a certain way and refused to believe it was otherwise, Vi was impulsive and really ignored or was oblivious to what other people wanted. So it was pretty interesting as I watched people on youtube react to the show to see how many people (often much younger in their 20s) were like rooting for Vi and thinking she was making all the right moves when (like from my perspective) she was f'ing almost everything up. Silco to me was more relatable than Vi was.
@@ringadinga4782 Uh, to be clear wasnt saying my viewpoint was unique or "correct" its obviously just an opinion. What I was saying is I found it interesting how the view of the characters was so split generationally as the younger reactors tend to be big Vi/Jayce/Katlyn sympathizers while the older ones tend to find them a bit cringe and give more sympathy to Silco/Vander and Victor. Im not non-conformist, i just seem to group with my age. Which, by the way, is not praise of my opinion...its praise to the writting in the show that they have that level of nuance. But since we are being sarcastically critical thanks for your in depth critique of my youtube comment.
your jinx take is spot on, a lot of folks are in the space of understanding that Jinx has trauma and an attachment disorder along with some additional mental illness, but that doesn't excuse that she's an absolute menace in these streets and has to be accountable for her actions. I said somewhere that Vi is if "On Sight" was a person and Jinx is if "I Choose Violence" was a person.
My favourite was silco or sevika. or mel's mom (but that's pure bipanic lust). Maybe even marcus maybe. Silco - I think he's a good balance of 'good' and 'bad'. Vander is the better person but he ultimately abandoned the cause, and Silco did what he could, chipped away at his morality and boundaries in order to pursue that goal. However, he isn't a psychopath, he was deeply betrayed and hurt by Vander, and he loved jinx in the way he knew how. Sevika - because she's just a real character. Kind of a bitch, but you have to be in a predominantly male environment, and like silco she truely cares about the cause. yeah i mean, she shit talks jinx, but wouldn't you? You've been fighting for this and working for silco at least 3 years before this kid shows up and 4 years later she's fucking shit up left and right and your boss won't do shit about it. I'd be annoyed too. And the fights with vi, what she said... hey. She can recognize that Vi blames her and wants to fight. And fuck it, she likes to fight. Sure she taunts her some too but.. yknow.. you gotta maintain an image? Marcus - look bruh... shit on marcus all you want but i feel like 70% of people who are in his position would make the same mistake. He's young, ambitious, prejudiced, thinks he knows the world. He's filled with the kind of arrogance you only really have when you're a young adult. He kinda knew grayson and vander had an understanding, and assumed vander would be no different from silco, because they're all laners, they're all shit, right? Then his actions lead to grayson getting killed. He's stuck, he can't reveal what's happened without condemning himself. He knows what is right but is too scared and selfish to do the right thing. And things aren't ALL bad, they do develop a working relationship where the "peace" is kept and Marcus gains more and more benefits. It's been too long. He has a family now. He can't lose them.
Wait, why would she think that? I thought it was because of her experience during the shimmer injections and all of her fear of Vi replacing her (Jinx) with Caitlyn
@@silver9wolf6 That’s a big part of it, but why does she specifically target the council at end? Also, granted she’s paranoid af, completely burning her bridges with Vi entirely over Caitlyn seems like a stretch to me, especially after Vi just stopped Caitlyn from shooting her. But she knows the council asked Silco to turn her over and Vi is on a very short list of people who 1. knew Jinx was responsible for the bombings and gemstone theft and 2. could have told the council about it. Also, she had Caitlyn captive for most of a day. She could have interrogated her and found out Vi gave her up the council that way.
I think the show clearly shows that Powder is very mentally unstable and dependent from episode one, having to go through all of this trauma in her life didn't help her much either The question now is.... does Jinx deserves to be forgiven?? so many deaths so many innocent people. Its gonna be very interesting to see how Caitlyn and Vi's relationship goes after these events assuming that Caitlyn's mom is dead now because of Jinx. Nice reaction enjoyed the watchalong!
Fantastic reaction and analysis. I've watched dozens of Arcane reactions and yours is one of the best. You notice a lot that many reactors miss. Personally, IMO, one factor in how Violet processes the trauma compared to Powder is their age, Violet was 15, but Powder was only ten or so. Also, at the end, I think it's that Violet loves *Powder*, but Silco loves *Jinx*. And for better or worse, Jinx is who she is now. In the normal way of things, even close sisters grow up and learn to love others. Had the tragedies not occurred, Violet would have eventually grown older and fallen in love with another woman romantically. And I'm not convinced Powder would have taken that well; we see she has serious issues even in the first two episodes. One way or another, I think she was always going to become Jinx. But a great analysis anyway, I loved hearing your opinions! Thank you Rae!
Thanks for watching! And I agree, I think that even though they're family, it's not unheard of for siblings to grow apart and be incapable of fully understanding each other, and Jinx definitely seemed inevitable
Just wanna say, I appreciate you seeing all the sides, especially Vi's. Jinx and Silco get a lot of attention cause they are brilliantly written characters, but Vi's trauma is sometimes easy to overlook because it's not showcased as much as Jinx's in the narrative. But she's been through so freaking much. I'm hoping it's shown more in season 2. I see season 1 as being Jinx's arc (now mostly completed with her sitting in the Jinx chair), especially with the last song 100% being from her POV, so it would make sense for Season 2 to be more of Vi's arc. :)
@@everybodylovesrae_ Vander was the best father figure for Vi (Violet). A Silco was the best sire for Jinx (Powder). ;) Vi and Jinx are like Vander and Silko Some parallel. You know what I mean, guys blink and wink. ;) Honors for the best characters Silco ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Jyttj284oik.html Marcus ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-v0wDoZKzUJ4.html Vander WrWk Spoiler somehow ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PYiYJb5XkbA.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zEuHBUYVgZc.html Viktor ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-h43PUtr1BNc.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pckM_Zse7AI.html Jinx ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Iwgq-6DJ6pY.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2FVCZ85hUwY.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iNyO20660pM.html Purple ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rrA2lQ5nQHI.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wRmedJEGtN8.html Shared tribute ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vNkfB_cg8vg.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-k5XXh_yPT2U.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-62dRfz2GHuE.html
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I think you're totally correct on jinx I mean if you love her you should be very concerned about the way she acts. Everyone can be like "Vi doesnt want jinx, only powder", But they fail to recognize that Jinx is Powders extremely unhealthy coping mechanism. She's not gonna be better off going forward as jinx, she's still got all that unresolved trauma and witb killing Silco she's basically confirmed in her mind that she IS a jinx and she DOES mess everything up on accident. How is Vi supposed to just be fine with that? She has SO much guilt over calling her a jinx in the first place that she cant bring herself to do it again The flipside though: jinx is irrational most of the time. She gets all these ideas planted in her head that aren't real, that make Caitlyn out for the devil, so seeing Vi caring for her at all is a nightmare. Also, Jinx has this idea from her relationship with silco of codependancy, that you can only love one person, and you need to give that person everything. So if Vi is not willing to do that because she has romantic feelings for Caitlyn, the nature doesnt matter to jinx thats still the love that's taking her place.
Jinx is frustrating because she was doomed by game lore to be a tragic character. We *want* to believe things could have gone differently for her, but one might as want King Lear to have a happy ending.
Jinx is in toxic relations, but not with Silco. There's even video here on RU-vid,called Vi is toxic sister. Vi betrays Jinx repeatedly, as well as screws every one else with her advices (like Jayce's invasion:shimmer is not the main pillar of Silco's might, that's loyalty). So even calling Vi a hero - well it's possible, but really hard for me. Nevertheless, Vi is well written, charismatic character, so it's completely normal to root for her during the first watch.
I don't blame Vi for misunderstanding Jinx, and not knowing how to deal with her - that is a lot to expect from any non-mental-health professional. But I don't think it changes the fact that she did misunderstand Jinx, and she did play a significant part in things playing out the way they did (albeit unintentionally). Then again, I'm team Jinx, so what do I know?
Vi betrays Jinx all the time. Vi isn't a bad person but she still does it constantly. She even tells Jayce who killed all those people. Silco isn't evil, he's just ready to do anything to get rid of Piltover's grip on the Undercity, except sacrificing his daughter. He protects her and cares for her. Vi doesn't love Jinx, she wants Powder. But Jinx doesn't want to be Powder anymore. She wants to be strong and capable of defending herself. Vi showed her how to use violence to solve her problems and that being different was her strength. But as soon as she sees Jinx, she's horrified and rejects her. She never calls her Jinx (except when she rats her out to to council, the people responsible for all their pronblems). I really liked your reaction. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Hope we'll see your reaction to season 2 quickly.
Silco isn't evil! He's only addicting people to drugs, using child labor, illegally smuggling drugs, paying off politicians and murdering his way to control. Practically a saint.
This show is a constant downard spiral. I love that fact so much. Everyone is just a part of the world and no one person is important enough to turn the tide alone.
What I love is Vi's point of view if you think beyond. She often doesn't think things through and choices the "punch first" and apologize later almost at every conflict that befalls her. It pushed her sister away, it causes her to choose violence first at the council meeting instead of potentially a peaceful solution. It triggers Jace to go vigilante and potentially spark the war that has been coming since Vi and Jynx were kids. What's brilliant is the fact that we feel like Vi's decisions are "good" or "right" because they feel like she's the main character and she can't make bad choices because if the "outcome" is perceived right then what happens in between is ignored. I'm not saying it's bad to think this way but it is very HUMAN to think how Vi is. Also side note we have to stop "Dead naming". If someone you know transitioned and in turn changed their name I would hope you wouldn't keep calling them their old name. Even if it's fiction we have to get better at this.
@@hilzabub at the same time, how could she know? she literally only talked to her on the plattform, she heard that Powder "goes by Jinx now" but to her it probably was just a codename/cover she uses, he had no idea that she no longer identifies as powder. and that's the whole point of their exchange at the end. it shows how even when there's no malice involved, this behaviour can cause emotional damage. it is what I love about this show, it treats its audience with respect, those that look closely see these things (our little rae also realized this only after a while/on her second time around).
It's interesting to notice that the only time Vi didn't choose violence, was when she chose to give herself up at the end of episode 2 to protect her family. This sacrifice comes after Vander has talked her out of the violent solution (she wanted to fight and revolt like many in the lanes). BUT Vander undoes this sacrifice and her decision, that would have allowed Vi to grow as a person. Then Vi has to choose violence to save Vander, then everything goes wrong, she spends years in prison being beaten and anger and violence is the only solution for her to survive. I'm not saying VI is right to always choose violence, not at all, but she has good reasons to act how she acts. And Vander has some responsibility for that.
@Léo VK agree wholeheartedly she we and her can justify why she chooses the actions she does, which I love. She is relatable but I just don't want viewers to overlook her flaws (which are many) and to see her is this all good hero of the story overcoming obstacles that people throw her way.
Lol "dead naming". Her name is Powder. Jinx is a psychological delusion created from the broken mind of a traumatized child. Also people can't transition they aren't machines and their real life issues shouldn't be coddled by weak minded individuals but actually helped through therapy. This will actually reduce their self deletion rate unlike giving into their delusions which doesn't and maims them for life when they are generally far too young to make said decision. Also go do a deep dive on Munchhausen by proxy if you want to really see a reason, well actually one of many, for the sudden spike in this nonsense. This will likely get deleted by yt and I have wasted my time but hey you gotta try. Or how about we just keep this on topic about a very good series and not the BS broken world we actually live in?
Vander was the best father figure for Vi (Violet). A Silco was the best sire for Jinx (Powder). ;) Vi and Jinx are like Vander and Silko Some parallel. You know what I mean, guys blink and wink. ;) Honors for the best characters Silco ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Jyttj284oik.html Marcus ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-v0wDoZKzUJ4.html Vander WrWk Spoiler somehow ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PYiYJb5XkbA.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zEuHBUYVgZc.html Viktor ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-h43PUtr1BNc.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pckM_Zse7AI.html Jinx ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Iwgq-6DJ6pY.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2FVCZ85hUwY.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iNyO20660pM.html Purple ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rrA2lQ5nQHI.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wRmedJEGtN8.html Shared tribute ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vNkfB_cg8vg.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-k5XXh_yPT2U.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-62dRfz2GHuE.html
All silco wanted was to live with dignity and respect, free from a shitty government that doesn’t give a damn about their people. He’s not a villain. I bet if they showed us his perspective and how vander left him half way, everyone would think he’s a hero
@@paulf1461 he didn’t kill any children. He made horrible decisions, but more so top side government are the real villains. Oh and they DID kill children
Silco did a lot of things to make him a villain. The fact that you are here arguing he isn't a villain means he was a really well written villain: He isn't the moustache-twirling one-dimensional kind, but more of a ruthless dictator kind who rules with fear, blackmail and drug addiction.
This is my opinions, is quite ling sorry ejjeje. I feel that Jinx does F up in the decisions she takes, but is hard to take accountable a child that has so many mental illness, I mean we can for sure be sure she was born with kne since in the bridge sean at the beginning we can see the scratches of her maniac episodes when she sees an inforcer aswell. She basiclly saw her biological larents die in that bridge, as well as being around 4 to 5 years old seeing so much death and violence in the war for sure will affect her mental state, plus all the violent moments we see and probably we dont see on the fights Vi and the gang gets in while beimg kids afects her more plus all the degrading that milo puts in her and the neglect she gets fr Vander and the rest affects, I meam probably Vander did give her some attention but we see him mostly focusing on Vi, the only one that gives her somo validation and attachments is Vi, so by Vi leaving her alone her attachments issues and insecurities took over and then causing the death of the people she loved amd vi calling her a Jinx send her even more down the whole, so we can see why silco kinda mulanipulates her so easily, he was the only other person that gave her validation and love and I don't think he mold her like that he just supported her and loved her the way she was while everyone else in the world despited her. I you would take someone to trial with this amount of trauma and mental illness and they would hmget diagnose they would send Jinx not to prison or kill her put to a psiquiatric hospital so she can get the care she need, of course she would have guards all around her knowing how dangerous she can be, but probably by being taken care of by proper professional she would get better. Idk, jajaja
