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Hey guys, in this video I'd like to discuss how one small frontend framework changed the way I write code and think about building products as a backend engineer.
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@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey guys, checkout my free window manager and keyboard cleaning app, we are so close to 10k active users! 😃 links.withmarko.com/one-menu
@rajanhossain9250
@rajanhossain9250 Месяц назад
Being able to code without looking up, is a precious feeling. I mostly code on pure backends without any UI at all, and I go weeks without searching anything. It just feels so good.
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Exactly! So underrated, but it’s an amazing feeling 👍
@chaoswithrules
@chaoswithrules Месяц назад
man I'm jealous
@rajanhossain9250
@rajanhossain9250 Месяц назад
@@chaoswithrules Well, when you are constantly searching for things, that also means you are up to date with latest tech, which is an obvious disadvantage for me.
@chaoswithrules
@chaoswithrules Месяц назад
@@rajanhossain9250 I remember when was coding with C I was coding for weeks without visiting google
@plaintext7288
@plaintext7288 20 дней назад
@@rajanhossain9250 it might also depend on what ecosystem you're in - in Js things move around and change and it takes quite some time to become familliar enough with your stack While when programming in Go or C++, the tools are all there and not much changes over time and the complexity is not hidden in the stack but in the code itself
@thetoshev
@thetoshev 13 дней назад
Saving you 3 minutes of wondering wtf framework is he going to name: It's Mithril.js. Video is still nice though.
@yhdesai2
@yhdesai2 12 дней назад
Thanks
@djidji233
@djidji233 27 дней назад
Very valuable info! Will check it out for sure! As a backend dev, wanting to build stuff and trying to start some solopreneur part time career, I cant wait to try it out!
@9r1nc3w1ll
@9r1nc3w1ll 24 дня назад
A senior colleague introduced me to Mithril in 2018 and I loved it. I'll definitely use it again. Thanks for making this video.
@bastianbecker6036
@bastianbecker6036 Месяц назад
really cool that u reached 200k keep it up 🎉
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Thank you my friend 😊
@EduardoHenrique-nd1ro
@EduardoHenrique-nd1ro Месяц назад
Thanks for sharing another amazing video, Marko! Great weekend ahead! Cheers from Brazil!
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey thanks Eduardo!! Same for you 😃🇧🇷
@jjfleagle
@jjfleagle Месяц назад
Love your videos Marko!
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Thank you 😊🙏
@jjfleagle
@jjfleagle Месяц назад
@@withmarko Thank you!
@zeeeeeeeek
@zeeeeeeeek Месяц назад
Awesome information! I've also had this experience when I stumbled on solid JS. No rerendering and over-engineering needed but I still have the JSX and other dx like react so it was a smooth transition.
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Yes, I really like solid too, it's got a lot of potential.
@andreichenchik5994
@andreichenchik5994 Месяц назад
Nice one! Also SwiftUI has nice approach in recent Observation release: view will update only if it’s accessing changed part of the state object. So it’s even optimized for free for you.
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey thanks! :) I will have to look into the latest release, it sounds quite interesting, thanks!
@xVinoz
@xVinoz Месяц назад
Once u have tasted SwiftUI theres no comeback to react. I still like UIKit more lol but in a few years that will change
@ZeroUm_
@ZeroUm_ 12 дней назад
Man, I've been looking at laptop videos lately and this got recommended. I was getting more and more confused, then the confusion peaked when you pulled out the laptop, and the screen showed a macOS-like UI. "What Linux DE is this?" It took me too long to figure out you weren't talking about Framework laptops. Great video still!
@jugmilic2096
@jugmilic2096 Месяц назад
Hvala za video! Samo nastavi❤
@eclipse.241
@eclipse.241 Месяц назад
Really informative. Good job ☺
@abraaocarvalho2923
@abraaocarvalho2923 Месяц назад
Ruby on Rails is wonderful ❤
@allestercorton9085
@allestercorton9085 Месяц назад
I been waiting for this.
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey, thank you 😊🙏
@aminebensalah-bg4zi
@aminebensalah-bg4zi Месяц назад
Thanks Marko for your awesome channel, what’s the name of the coffee where you did your video ?
@naoladugna4667
@naoladugna4667 Месяц назад
Love your video, it's been 2 weeks since you posted a video, i been waiting....
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey thanks 🙏
@shibagamedev
@shibagamedev Месяц назад
New Marko upload!
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Yay, thanks for the comment 😊
@ago7371
@ago7371 26 дней назад
Hey Marko, what laptop bag do you use?
@gabrielkwong1878
@gabrielkwong1878 14 дней назад
Since you are building a window manager I wonder if you considred maybe a making a cross platform window manager like i3 but it can work in all platforms? I assume it would be rust, tauri and win it maybe? But I am curious if you find that interesting to tackle.
@9r1nc3w1ll
@9r1nc3w1ll 24 дня назад
Please how is the TS support today? Can you make a video about that. I'll really appreciate it.
@user-zy9kd9lv5y
@user-zy9kd9lv5y Месяц назад
hello marco I would like to join the Kahoot! campaign you are working on. What do I need to do to get a job here? I will wait your answer
@lazarkap
@lazarkap Месяц назад
Mithril sounds really cool and developer friendly 👀
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Yeah it’s cool in the way it doesn’t give a 2 cents about what other frameworks do 😃
@JulianHarris
@JulianHarris 18 дней назад
I love the idea! But I hesitate because it’s still working on the outdated notion of a virtual DOM which in 2024 is redundant. It’d be amazing to see a mithrill with no virtual DOM don’t you think?
@fearian
@fearian 13 дней назад
This is how UI is handled a lot of the time in game development, makes sense to me.
@TheSqnkov
@TheSqnkov Месяц назад
On a meta-level, yes, but for the actual production adoption, React is the stuff we are stuck with. Love aker brygge, love the videos, keep them coming.
@devopsnoob2614
@devopsnoob2614 18 дней назад
I loved mithril ! though I merely code for frontend.
@kingsimondx-gc7oh
@kingsimondx-gc7oh Месяц назад
Hi Marko Could you already have received a new laptop from your employer if you needed one, or do you have to keep the Mac for a certain period of time? And secondly, were you able to choose your laptop freely, or do you have to use this specific MacBook?
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey I think the official policy is you can ask for a new one every 2 years. I was able to choose my configuration which was great 👍
@kingsimondx-gc7oh
@kingsimondx-gc7oh Месяц назад
@@withmarko so that means you get a new one soon because yours is already 2 years old , right ?
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Potentially yes, but I will probably wait for m4 to come out and some reviews before I decide. I honestly don’t need a new one 😁
@kingsimondx-gc7oh
@kingsimondx-gc7oh Месяц назад
@@withmarko ok, thank you Marko. Have a great day😃
@Amit-hb9ex
@Amit-hb9ex Месяц назад
Love your videos ❤ btw which mouse your are using?
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey thanks! 😊 This is the MX Master 3s, highly recommend 👍
@knightsarai9841
@knightsarai9841 Месяц назад
Update on browser's event is how Angular works using ZoneJS
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey thanks for the info, I didn’t know this 👍👍
@sherlokesh
@sherlokesh 29 дней назад
Is really a good college matters for to become coder. Like u!!!😮
@BentoSushi1
@BentoSushi1 Месяц назад
Lets go its been 2 weeks!!!! Cant wait to code and watch this and definetly be super productive😁😁🤣🤣
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey thank you, yes I’ve been a bit busy, but will be posting more frequently moving forward 😃
@randguy696
@randguy696 Месяц назад
I see nowadays markojs and lit gets more popularity. and this systems gets promises better performance, smaller loading time and request counts. What s you think about for these?
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey it looks very interesting today, and also a bit different from what I remember a few years ago. Never tried it, even though it has a great name :D
@user-uw4ki1tb9v
@user-uw4ki1tb9v Месяц назад
Hey What kind of program u use bro ?
@francescochimenti7041
@francescochimenti7041 Месяц назад
Hello there! excellent video. Please provide a link to the video I viewed a few weeks ago so I may see it again. It shows the MX Master 3S setup. ty
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey not sure which video you are referring to exactly?
@francescochimenti7041
@francescochimenti7041 Месяц назад
@@withmarko the video where u show the mx master 3s settings
@petrzurek5713
@petrzurek5713 Месяц назад
What backpack is that?
@badeye22
@badeye22 Месяц назад
Which frontend framework should I choose to learn now?
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey if you are looking for a job, I’d recommend taking a look at react 👍
@uneebbhatti1388
@uneebbhatti1388 Месяц назад
I am not able to join your discord server it says that "Link has expired" what's the reason?
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey sorry, can you try this link: discord.gg/Z6qQsSzpUe
@abdulhannan8129
@abdulhannan8129 Месяц назад
Hello sir. Sir I am not good at maths so can I learn and practice dsa and actually become good at it??
@webcoderph
@webcoderph Месяц назад
Woah finally 🎉 🧑🏻‍💻👌
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Busy days being a dad 😁
@webcoderph
@webcoderph Месяц назад
@@withmarko yeah, no worries. 👌
@05jessejames
@05jessejames Месяц назад
How can I even think about working on my side project when Marko post?!
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey, thanks for the comment! 😃😃 what’s your side project?
@05jessejames
@05jessejames Месяц назад
You’re welcome 😄 It’s a cryptocurrency tracker. I have finished the front end work (for the most part), using react. I still need to create a login page, and figure out the backend part of having a profile and saving certain coins to a “watch list.” It’s my first “big” project! It’s been fun and I’ve learn a lot! Thanks for asking 🤗
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey that sounds like a proper project, very cool! Good luck, make sure to share some links when it's done! :)
@cgfit5182
@cgfit5182 27 дней назад
What about your thoughts on HTMX?
@BrandonMekombo
@BrandonMekombo Месяц назад
Hey Marko i need some help, I’m a 15 year old looking to become a software engineer but I’ve been doubting if I should cause of the new AI’s fast development like Devin. So I don’t know if it’s still okay to get a career in the future or not 😢
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey that's a great question! Here's how I look at it. People who are actually benefiting the most at the moment from AI are actually software engineers. All those myths that it's replacing devs is just marketing talk. One day yes it will replace engineers, but my take is that when that happens it will be so close to general intelligence, that at that point all bets are off. The whole economy will not make any sense at all. But who knows if / when that will happen. In the meantime it's very clear software engineers are actually profiting from AI.
@BrandonMekombo
@BrandonMekombo Месяц назад
@@withmarko Yea thanks but you haven't answered if I should continue in this career path or not?
@user-ho4bk5hu1z
@user-ho4bk5hu1z 28 дней назад
what mac?
@toothless.tarantula
@toothless.tarantula Месяц назад
Interesting.
@Ariprw
@Ariprw Месяц назад
🙌🏻🔥🙌🏻
@ahmedAltariqi
@ahmedAltariqi Месяц назад
I finished the video and i still don't know what's the framework lol I mean i get the essence of your story however I'm curious!
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey sorry, I should have mentioned it more clearly. The framework is mithril.js.org
@ApurvoPal
@ApurvoPal Месяц назад
Which app u used to lock your keyboard
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey I made this app it’s free, you can get it at withmarko.com/one-menu
@ApurvoPal
@ApurvoPal Месяц назад
@@withmarko thanks definitely gonna check out
@MrRajaBaja
@MrRajaBaja Месяц назад
Did I miss it or wasn't the framework actually named at any point?
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey sorry I did mention it, but only in one sentence. It's Mithril :)
@Fodela
@Fodela Месяц назад
Great content, I'm hooked 😍. It's just that I now have Stockholm syndrome⛓💝. State management tortured me for a so long that I dedicated a lot of time getting good at it. Now it feels good❣ knowing that I can easily handle👑 what most people struggle with.
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey thanks! :) Yes state management can sometimes feel that way, totally agree! But I'm happy you were able to get great at it, and now it's a breeze. It must feel amazing :)
@tHe0nLyNeXuS
@tHe0nLyNeXuS 18 дней назад
I am curious about whether you have tried HTMX and what you think about it.
@alex1431999
@alex1431999 Месяц назад
I thought this was gonna be about HTMX :D
@pmdd
@pmdd Месяц назад
🎉🎉
@adivhahomavhungu6301
@adivhahomavhungu6301 Месяц назад
Hi, can I use it with Django?
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey yes, of course, it's just a frontend framework :)
@vaibhavsharma226
@vaibhavsharma226 Месяц назад
Which framework are you talking about?
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey it’s Mithril link in description 👍
@BrianInfoSphere
@BrianInfoSphere 16 дней назад
i coded a whole flutter app without any googling
@nabinkawan9298
@nabinkawan9298 Месяц назад
Hey Marko, loved your old videos, they were detailed and insightful. Now they are less detaild and it feels like it is fulfilling content only. Could you bring back some depth? Your videos still help me focus though! 😊
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey thanks for the feedback. What would you like me to cover in the next video more specifically, I'll try to provide more in-depth info? :)
@nabinkawan9298
@nabinkawan9298 Месяц назад
@@withmarko Thanks fr the reply. I really enjoy watching the way you explain the problems and solve it. If you can include coding part, it would be great.
@bombardo2489
@bombardo2489 22 дня назад
Man i never seen anyone YAAAPPP this much goddamn
@withmarko
@withmarko 21 день назад
Haha, why so?
@shalunu
@shalunu 17 дней назад
Lollll, man clicked on a youtube vid expecting pictures, you're good Marko, this kid is just something else
@abubakershamsi
@abubakershamsi Месяц назад
Guys i wanna start programming there is future? Can Ai replace programers ?
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey the ai will not likely replace developers, but you should look into how to use ai to your advantage. IMHO, it’s still worth learning to code 👍
@JaegerPy
@JaegerPy Месяц назад
Heyo Marko!
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey 😃
@JaegerPy
@JaegerPy Месяц назад
@@withmarko you alright mate? 😀
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey doing well, thanks! :) Just busy these last few weeks, hbu? :)
@JaegerPy
@JaegerPy Месяц назад
@@withmarko just been trying out the idea you gave me about vlogging and stuff! Also just keeping busy How's being a parent 😅
@gourabsarker9552
@gourabsarker9552 Месяц назад
Sir how many years of experience do you have as a software engineer? Plz reply. Thanks a lot.
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey I have 12 years total, but 8 years professionally 👍
@JORDAN7514
@JORDAN7514 Месяц назад
Hello Marko, I hope you are well. One question, why did you delete the videos on Kahoot? They were my favorites :c
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey I had to, Kahoot changed policies on filming
@JORDAN7514
@JORDAN7514 Месяц назад
@@withmarko Oh, so bad :c
@scarymojo5809
@scarymojo5809 19 дней назад
If you interested in some valuable information thats sightly different, I highly recommend the video titled "Be An Engineer, Not A Frameworker | Prime Reacts"
@user-ti6zw5jf8i
@user-ti6zw5jf8i Месяц назад
hi Marko, why did you delete your first videos, and also, why did you leave that company? привет марко, а зачем ты удалил свои первые видео , а ещё , почему ты ушел из той компании?
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey I had to delete them because the company policy was changed... :(
@user-ti6zw5jf8i
@user-ti6zw5jf8i Месяц назад
@@withmarko This is bad(
@gourabsarker9552
@gourabsarker9552 Месяц назад
Sir do you earn 900k Norwegian Kroners a year as a software engineer in Norway? Plz reply. Thanks a lot.
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey I don’t, closer to 800 🤓
@abdullahalasad845
@abdullahalasad845 Месяц назад
Waited very long 😢
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey thank you 🙏 I promise to post more 😊
@1weiho
@1weiho Месяц назад
@@withmarko await marko.post();
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Haha, will try to post more frequently, thanks for the nice comments guys :)
@vorant94
@vorant94 Месяц назад
I don’t think people nowadays appreciate “feature-complete” stamp as they really should be. And all of this because of SaaS mindset built by all the tech companies
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
100%
@sitrakaforler8696
@sitrakaforler8696 17 дней назад
I mean... I still don't like JS x) I think I will try to learn RUST HOWEVER I love the name MITHRIL ! :)
@stephenreaves3205
@stephenreaves3205 21 день назад
ngl, I thought this was going to be about framework laptops
@WildfireS1
@WildfireS1 15 дней назад
me toooooo
@user-nm2wc1tt9u
@user-nm2wc1tt9u Месяц назад
name of the framework?
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey sorry, should have made it more clear in the video, it's mithril.js.org
@user-nm2wc1tt9u
@user-nm2wc1tt9u Месяц назад
@@withmarko will check it out thanks a lot
@chris_kouts
@chris_kouts 21 день назад
** Solid JS has left the chat ** 💀💀
@withmarko
@withmarko 21 день назад
I like a lot of things about solid, ngl
@2rx_bni
@2rx_bni 19 дней назад
Speaking of Discord if you're in the US, which I know can't be ONLY me, please opt out of arbitration before the deadline. No Text to Speech has an instruction video. Super annoyed with them for doing this. I love discord but this may be why I cancel Nitro.
@harshvachhani2748
@harshvachhani2748 Месяц назад
hey Marko why you delete your office video's and " you Day in The Life of a Software Engineer " video.? i loved your video, I must have watched all the videos 20-25 times. please re-published your office word videos. thank you. lots of love.
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey thank you for supporting my channel 🙏 Kahoot no longer allows those videos, so I had to remove them 😔
@AungBaw
@AungBaw Месяц назад
Let me know your thoughts on HTMX.
@beastnighttv
@beastnighttv Месяц назад
hello markooooo
@mohammadalimalik3841
@mohammadalimalik3841 Месяц назад
Next video "I made a paper laptop"
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Haha, why? 😄
@mohammadalimalik3841
@mohammadalimalik3841 Месяц назад
@@withmarko More people get more interested and most likely I just got a notification and before I watch the whole thing 400 people are going to comment, so I need to be first without saying 'first', and you see my comment, haha.
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hahaha, it worked 😃
@mohammadalimalik3841
@mohammadalimalik3841 Месяц назад
@@withmarko Sure did hahaha.
@luisdanielmesa
@luisdanielmesa Месяц назад
People who use frameworks are doomed to fail.
@Leonhart_93
@Leonhart_93 22 дня назад
"It accomplishes 80% of what other frameworks do with 20% of the code". Press X to doubt, as about 40% of all the frontend code ends up being the HTML layout, and I doubt a framework that doesn't use JSX can output the same HTML tags in fewer lines of code. But I know that React hooks are so needlessly verbose and tend to bloat the code a lot, which is why I am still using class components to this day.
@withmarko
@withmarko 21 день назад
Press X to doubt, JSX has way more characters than hyperscript for the same HTML
@Leonhart_93
@Leonhart_93 21 день назад
@@withmarko I was not joking, I was being quite literal. JSX can express the name of a piece of HTML with just a string literal and < />. There is no logical way to get shorter than that. The functionality can be literally anything, I can do it even in plain JS, but the layout has to be its it's natural HTML form for it to not be a mess. And if I can't do JSX I will just put it in old fashion .html files. There is no way to do the complex UIs of today and being only 3 layers deep, and the last thing I want to do is do a chain of many nested function calls like I am writing Lisp or something...
@conundrum2u
@conundrum2u 29 дней назад
Back in the day, we knew that RoR was like gilding a turd. If you'd worked with any kind of mature framework you knew how dogshit Ruby was. It has ALWAYS been slow compared to other more established languages and frameworks. Too many people are attached to Ruby because of nostalgia. They used it in college. Or it's all they knew. Update on event is fine for small projects, but if you've got something that's updating the data regularly, bursts of DOM updates like with event based data updates can lead to UI jank. By all means, use what you feel works best for you, but there's reasons why people ultimately settle on the same patterns over and over again. You can only skin a cat so many ways and some ways are just the most efficient.
@GmailNexus
@GmailNexus Месяц назад
this coffee looks 😟
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
It's tea :D
@GmailNexus
@GmailNexus Месяц назад
@@withmarko Oh well 😃
@alexandrodisla6285
@alexandrodisla6285 Месяц назад
Marko was out for blood. LMAO (ANGULAR and REACT fanboys will respond). LOL
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Haha, just providing a different perspective :D
@nikichashadow
@nikichashadow Месяц назад
marko please unban me from the server there has been a miss understanding
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey not sure what happened, what’s your username?
@nikichashadow
@nikichashadow Месяц назад
@@withmarko nikichashadow
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Ok I’ll take a look what happened 👍
@nikichashadow
@nikichashadow Месяц назад
@@withmarko did you figure it out
@nikichashadow
@nikichashadow Месяц назад
@@withmarko did you unban me
@dev_franqqi
@dev_franqqi Месяц назад
First❤
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey yes you are 😃🔥
@ald890
@ald890 Месяц назад
React is performant enough, CSS is bottleneck most of the time. State changes are not the problem, this problem solves VDOM. But the real problem that solves React is updating UI, and updating anything else is the solution.
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey are you referring to CSS in the form of styled components and similar, or plain CSS?
@ald890
@ald890 Месяц назад
@@withmarko you can make complex application in React, with 100x unoptimised renders without CSS and it will be very smooth, then add some css with reflows and you will have problems with caluclating elements posision etc. this kind of problem you will have in any frontend framework.
@programmingloop7
@programmingloop7 21 день назад
5 min video and this mf doesn't get to the point
@withmarko
@withmarko 21 день назад
What was the point you were expecting to hear, mf?
@ashercohen1963
@ashercohen1963 18 дней назад
Wow, such a biased take on "anything other than the solution I found and like". Everything you said is applicable to other frameworks if you know how they work. Plus, 90% of the times you wouldn't worry about renders.
@inakisanchez2552
@inakisanchez2552 Месяц назад
i wish someday i can code without going every 30 minutes to check something..but that's juniors life. One day will be. Marko, as always, hugs from here
@inakisanchez2552
@inakisanchez2552 Месяц назад
oh and thanks for the info about mithril.. i'm tired of react
@withmarko
@withmarko Месяц назад
Hey that's perfectly ok, you will find yourself googling less and less, although it's a bit harder with frameworks that change all the time :D
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