So, are we just going to ignore the fact that the animatronic Charlie possesses is called the PUPPET? Like someone pulling her strings and making her do evil stuff against her will seems pretty fitting thematically considering that's what puppets are made for, not evil stuff specifically, but rather executing another's will regardless of their own.
charlie is was one of the first and she is known to protect the first animatronics. she's not having her strings pulled, she's pulling the first animatronics strings to protect them.
I agree. Its fun when a story is complex because it feels like every small part is intentional and well thought out but when a story becomes too convoluted it just feels like they can change the rules daily. There is also the thing where sometimes if you go too far with the convolution. You could disembolish previous rules you already establish in the game. With this, you could be extreme with your theories and yet it still feels like its a viable argument considering how convoluted it is. Cause like what are the ground rules? All of the theories even the ones I like just seem so outlandish. Like cool you explained it but also wtf? Honestly thats one of the reasons why I stopped getting interested in fnafs lore.
As much as I adore this franchise, it doesn’t feel very clever anymore. Hope I’ll be proven wrong and we get the most shocking but fitting revelation yet lol
Man, I remember the days when there weren’t any crazy scifi elements in FNAF. Come on now- illusion discs? Remnant? *The Blob?* Anyone else miss the simple days of mass murderer in a Chuck-E-Cheese?
Right. I mean It was still complicated even then lol. I didn't even know the original story was already solved until matpat talked about it. I like the old fnaf Cause like the pieces were already there in the previous fnaf games but you just needed to fit it together. Good times. When fnaf felt solveable. 🤣👴🏻
@@brun0z691 I mean true but at least the first fnaf lore was kinda basic sci-fi. Now its like riverdale where you think you know where its going then all of a sudden. everyone has super powers or a person goes to space.
@@finnballinger5791 Thank you Finn! I hope you enjoy my other vids also, I don't plan on making more GTLive highlights at the time. I know they are a bit rough around the edges.
I'd like to quickly weigh in on the question, "why is patient 46 manipulating Vanessa". Going under the assumption that Vanessa and Vanny are two sides of the same person(which is a controversial assumption I know), I feel that this makes perfect sense. Patient 46, aka Charlie, has been brought back to life by Afton and according to the theory is being given work to do under Afton's control. So at this point in the story, there are three key players, four if you count both sides of Vanessa. Glitchtrap is constantly at work in order to resurrect himself and rebuild his family and to do that he is in direct control of Vanny and in assumed control of Charlie(Patient 46). However even though Vanny is subject to Afton's every whim, Vanessa is still a thorn in his side. This is somewhat supported by some of MatPat's earlier theories that state that Patient 46 is following after Vanessa in order to keep tabs on her. Again assuming that Vanessa is the real side of Vanny, this would mean that Patient 46 is a tool used by Afton to keep track of Vanessa while she is in her normal state, mostly free from Afton's control. This would also keep Vanny and Patient 46's roles under Afton distinct, as being an adult Vanny could operate more openly without drawing suspicion, and Patient 46 could act as an undercover agent of sorts, as their childlike appearance could lend itself better to that. This also lines up with Patient 46's whole side of "liking disguises" as that is similar to the role they fulfill under Afton's command. This is just a gut reaction response to the question, further evidence could either corroborate or disprove this, however, I thought that this explanation made sense taking into account many of the points put forth in the video.
I think matpat should do a game theory about just addressing these things that Funaff has mentioned as mini theories that could be potential replacement theories in case old theories aren't good enough anymore
I think The Puppet being partially running things in UCN is not a huge stretch. The Puppet explicitly says something like "the others are like animals, but I am aware" which I think is pretty differentiating
Hey, what if Patient 46 is an early version of the blob? The blob and 46 both like small spaces, neither can talk, neither are very intelligent, and both seem to have relations to Vanny and Afton. Just a thought.
One thing I've always been skeptical about with patient 46 going to the same therapist as Vanessa to make sure she didn't reveal too much or something is that...that's not how therapy works? As far as I can think, as long as you have ethical therapists (and out of the, what 5, 6, therapists they had, surely at least one was ethical enough), you're not going to learn anything about other patients from them. I once left my cell phone at my therapist office in college; it was an old phone that didn't even have a lock screen, so he could've theoretically called the number labelled "mom" in the phone and told her I'd lost it. But legally/ethically speaking, he _couldn't_ do that. Because as an adult, it would be a breach of confidentiality to tell anyone - even my parents - _anything_ about me that's not the very specific exceptions in the confidentiality agreement (I think the exceptions are about being a danger or yourself or others). There might be differences in the agreement for a child going to therapy, that might include the parents, I'm not sure. But Vanessa is an adult. Even if she's in, like, company mandated therapy and there's some updates that the company is allowed to have access to, there is _no_ reason why an unrelated child could get any information about her sessions by going to the same therapist. Since patient 46 is a hacker, if their goal is keeping tabs on Vanessa, I'd think that hacking into the therapists' computer or installing some sort of surveillance device in the room (obviously these sessions _were_ recorded somehow, which I'm not sure is normal either) would be more effective. I'm sure you've considered this, especially since "Gregory is patient 46 and his reason for going to therapy is to keep tabs on Vanessa" has always been a "best option available" theory to you, rather than anything with solid proof. If the "Charlie is patient 46" comes with a better reason for her to be there, then that would be a step toward making it a solid alternative.
Also remember how UCN was the game that confirmed the canonicity of nightmarionne and had them as the cover. They’re more important than we know somehow at least
I wonder if perhaps Charlie’s role in ultimate custom night was being the vessel of power that allows Cassidy to enact her revenge, like Charlie is protecting everyone one last time so that Cassidy can finish actin and trap him forever…
It’s the day before my wedding and I’ve been running around all day. I’m finally checked in, everything is here, got the aircon CRANKED, watching the rest of this having the greatest hotel nap of my life
I think a key point to this is him saying Vanessa ... Is him saying Afton in control of Vanessa aka Vanny. Using the discs, she is able to move under the radar completely so Vanny has free reign to act as she pleases. I think the way the two act very differently (even unaware of the other) may be Vanessa under instruction vs under control. It would explain why she acts so radivally different and why she acts like rabbit afton in the vr game.
Time for them to react to Part 3! I kinda want FuhNaff to react to these streams and see if anything that Tom and Matt said triggered a thought or opened another path to research. These have been great! I went ahead and watched FuhNaff's videos first then came back to watch their reactions to what was said. It's been a ride and I'm hoping that it continues for another possible two videos while going over FuhNaff's final part of this trilogy. 😍💙😍
I like how you actually react to what he says instead of most other reaction videos where they just watch the video and make a few facial expressions and boom video done
I've said this quite a lot about gtlive whenever anyone complains about how long the videos are compared with what they are reacting to. I prefer when someone actually engages with the content that they are reacting to.
I don't think the therapists are as innocent as they appear. One line which doesn't make sense to me is about the subroutines coming *from* 46. Not written by, not created by, from 46. It's not something you'd say to a human. It sounds like the therapist knows they are talking to a robot.
I’m sure matpat has noticed this, but I just caught that the book image of the four Charlie bots shows the Adult version (right) and the slightly younger version (middle) have their smiles and hair in opposite directions, where as Baby (left) seems to be a balance of both
Was it this one that mentioned that Spirits can be connected to more than one physical vessel/object, and that since the spirits were tied to afton, Afton had Vanny put HIM in the machines, which he used to lure them and then trap THEM since he had time to entrench himself, and they didn't. The player could possibly have freed Cassidy with the Princess Quest games.
Theory: the stars mean how hard or easy it is to get since that afton ending ends with a normal game of regular FNAF basically and it has 2 stars but the princess quest ending has 3 endings, it's harder because you have to travel around the pizzaplex without dying and completing all 3 princess quest games
I think baby was named baby because William wanted to resurrect his children through rebirth. A robot that is able to grow from a baby to an adult to death. Its also supported by the baby prototypes.
Vanessa could have a discorder called “Multi Personality Disorder” where you have a second personality and are a completely different person! Without knowing it and thinking you have one personality. This could be caused by glitch trap and giving her a second personality aka vanny! And she doesn’t know she’s killing kids? Seems like a interesting theory lol
Just saying you guys are amazing for doing this because from John's POV this is the best form of constructive criticism to make everyone benefit in the end. Fantastic!
While talking about how Baby transforms, you also forgot about the whole pins thing allowing her to compress her form into smaller, more human shape, rather than the big, bulky animatronic.
Has anyone mentioned that the messages they think could be from Henry or multiple people is ORANGE? Like how all of Henry's font is in past games??? I didn't hear any of them mention that.
When you said "red green blue yellow is seen in many places".. yes it is. But it isnt seen with the other references. 3 children plus the colors. Its more plausible than anything else.
That email about employee being fired had me fixated on the names. Ms Jameson ...Jimmy Haus....James Strand Jimmy is short for James .3 James in same email ...Scott sure can get fixated on a name.
Okay this will settle the whole freaking theory that Golden Freddy, The Crying Child, etc. Didn't exist/happen. 1. Scott's design decisions, why would Scott put the Fnaf 4 house on the T.V screens and have a CLEARLY YELLOW PLUSH in Fnaf 5, why show what would end up being shots from a FICTIONAL video game during the Fnaf 6 fire, that would mean that EVERYTHING that Henry said would come into question INCLUDING CHARLIE and him being real which would make Fnaf 6 non-canon, and OOOH would you look at that that's PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE since the pizzeria is underneath the pizzaplex, not to mention, THE FREAKING NOVEL TRILOGY HAD ALL "5" OF THE ORIGINAL ANIMATRONICS POSSESSED BY FREAKING DEAD CHILDREN.
It's not Charlie it's the "dark reflection" her nature is now evil right? Afton says "don't let anyone lead you astray" if Charlie is trying to puppeter Vanny it would be in a twisted way, like making a blob to attack Afton just minutes after he Burntrap appears. Holy shi-
Matpat: Your theory is wrong because you're not showing concrete evidence with Scott's signature on it. Matpat 10 minutes later: Look guys, I don't have concrete evidence, but we can make inferences, okay? 🤔
I think with fnaf, there are parts where you can and should get concrete evidence. Whereas some parts you really cant do that, so you have to make guesses. Like how baby was ejected from ennard, we dont see it happen so we have to make educated guesses. Whereas you need evidence to say who patient 46 is.
you know i just realised that fnaf is pretty much the modern lost and like lost i dont think the very human team making fnaf knows all the answers either but hopefully there checking the wiki before adding details to the story
Wait, how can patient 46 be a child but have had a good childhood? Wouldn't they still be experiencing their childhood? What if it's a young adult who is small and may have a condition that makes the therapist talk to them like a child?
Honestly the best thing fuhnaff did was looking thoroughly at security breach and to give Matpat the full game theory experience including the whiplash whenever something goes off rails
@@sammyjaohnson5631 To be fair, what fnaf game lore hasnt been vague? Security Breach left out quite a bit of content making it a lot harder, sure, but in general? We didnt solve FNaF 1 and 2 untill FNaF 4 came out
@@Predated2 oh yea my bad what ment is security breach just didnt explain much at all like why and how is greg in the pizza plex why is glamrock freddy the only good one why tf is the fnaf pizzeria simulator building is under the pizza plex things like that and bunch of other pretty major things that just arnt explained at all
@@Predated2 while fnaf 1 and 2 the basic story is simple survive night 1-6 + costome night the secret news articles were extra things to explain maybe why the animatronics act like the way they act and fnaf 2 added on to it except the bite of 87 im sure mangel did it but we never got an answer
So, I think the cleanest answer to "why does patient 46 lie about their life?" Is that the things charlie knows and has experienced sound like lies. They sound like fiction. So any logical adult will say "well I looked and you had a happy childhood". Yea, right up until the whole soul stealing monster part. So then she deflates and shuts down because the adult clearly doesnt believe her and cant help her.
Plus, Charlie did have somewhat of a good childhood, all things considered. Like, she went to go live with her aunt, right? After her father died? By all accounts, her aunt gave her a good life. It's not like the aunt would let people know "Yeah, this is my niece Charlie, she's a robot because a mad man killed her when she was 2 and her father rebuilt her and made various stages of her life" I have a feeling that any therapist would only know the bit about her aunt adopting and raising ehr after her father's death, right?
I love when matpat reacts to it and spends 5 hours talking about 1 sentence I KNOW YOU SAW THIS MATPAT, THERE IS NO WAY TO HEART FUHNAFFS COMMENT WITHOUT SCROLLING THRU COMMENTS
I love that all of MatPat’s reactions can be summarized into two categories, either “That’s interesting, I hadn’t thought about it like that” or “No, because *Occam’s razor*”.
I wouldn't say Occam's razor, more like, story telling structure and building upon what we already know. Thinking about how this all fits in the big picture from a narrative standpoint of where the story's going, and not jumping to immediate conclusions that don't fit in with that narrative. Like, the conclusion that Vanessa just kills the people standing in her way [because of W. Afton] and keeps getting away with it. It would be too much of a cope out, so it's either a) not what happened or b) bad writing. With FNAF it could honestly be either/or, but we would all hate option b so we're going with a for now. Not hating on John, I liked parts 1 and 2 [haven't seen 3 yet but I heard it's iffy], just trying to say that Mat's objections aren't made just to be contrary.
@@LoreCatan Well, a huge part of John's theory is embracing the fact that within Security Breach, the story told in FNaF 1-6 was just a way of revealing what happened in the past of Fazbear Entertainment. Which is what a lot of other theories kept ignoring. And while a lot of the things in fnaf 1-6 are true, it also means that certain parts were too ingrained into the main narrative that Scott no longer thinks makes sense(just like a lot of theorists are extremely close to what Scott intended, but just cannot get there because of certain details being too consistent in the games to be ignored, when Scott's underlying story relies on you ignoring those details). As for Vanessa just killing the people standing in her way while getting away with it, a big importance to notice is that there was a serial killer getting away with literal murder for DECADES. He committed 13 murders, 51 rapes and 120 burglaries during 1974-1986. He didnt get caught untill 2018. So its not bad writing, its just that the people are considered missing, not murdered. Let alone that they dont really go missing in similar way(in the end they do, but yknow, that is something WE know, not what the police would know). Then you might think that they all have a connection with Vanessa, well, they dont. Some have connections with Patient 46, others have connections with Afton, others have connections with Vanessa's alter ego's(not Vanny). Only a relatively small portion of people have direct connections to Vanessa, and those are the ones who realized something was off. That isnt enough to even get close to conclude its Vanessa in any way, shape or form. Saying she's just killing and getting away with it being bad writing, is like saying Afton just killing all those kids and getting away with it is bad writing, even though we know most kids were lured away through the animatronics, or kidnapped when they were singled out, or killed while they were alone. Even when Afton was suspected, he died too, yet children kept on dying. So yeah, Vanessa, or her unknown partners(all influenced through Afton's remnant), are just killing all those people. They dont do it on the spot, nor do they murder anywhere obvious, but they are being killed because they either know too much, or they are standing in the way. So TL;DR: Just because we know things, doesnt mean it is known by the characters in-universe. And just because something sounds like a cop-out, might be because we dont know the details. We didnt know for years what Afton did to all those children, but he got away with it too. Vanessa might not have the knowledge herself to make bodies disappear without a trace, but Afton certainly does
Would be pretty poetic if the story continues by pitting Henry's daughter and Afton's daughter, the original deaths of which seem to have put this whole series into motion in the first place
True, actually. It could be, because, sometimes when dealing with a person who needs therapy, there are argument of whether or not the things that traumatized people from their child is actually traumatic or if its a mental thing where it seems much worse then it actually is. So she said that because she wants to know if she is missing something. But the therapist did also blatantly asked why she lied. so idk how I feel about it. The therapist pretty sus in that sense. That seems like a very judgy therapist lol.
@@jeriahburkholder4917 but then you can’t say they are lying about having a bad childhood because if they are currently going through trama it’s unprofessional to say “your lying about having a bad childhood”
I’m happy that MatPat likes the idea of Elizabeth and Charlie having a sort of showdown because narratively it feels like an epic finale that was teased alllll the way back to Fredbear’s Family Diner with the whole Fun and Fantasy: Elizabeth is in Vanessa who is Vanny who is associated with the word “fun” and Charlie is associated with the word Fantasy. I know this isn’t even a theory, I just think it’s elegant on a writing level
It's also interesting theme wise. Both girls were killed by Afton: one directly, the other indirectly. One is the daughter of the business man, the other is the daughter of the inventor. Their fathers were friends and later enemies. They are very alike but the one stark difference is their attitude towards Afton. Despite being killed by his robot, Elizabeth still deeply respects and wants to appease her father. But Charlie had her life unfairly ripped from her by Afton. Elizabeth, other than being killed by Baby, has no reason to hate Afton. There's a good chance she never knew what exactly happened or that it was William's fault. But since Charlie's death was direct, she has no respect for her killer.
The secret code on the wall of the secret room wasn't written by Henry to Charlie. It was written by Michael to Charlie. Michael was the only other person that went home to that room after his shifts. That room is highly connected to Michael. Michael found Charlie's memory disk inside of Baby before we send her to the scooping room at the end of Sister Location when you take the disk from Baby who wants to "preserve what is good" and we know we play as Michael in that game. Michael then rebuilds small Charlie ("I put her back together") like he explains at the end of Sister Locations Ultimate Custom Night. He keeps her in that "closet" with a message written to her in a type of coding she would know, knowing that she will be the only thing that can probably stop Afton if he is to fail that night with the fire in Pizzeria Simulator. I think Charlie was Michael’s back up because the puppet was like a “security”. I think Gregory is actually Sammy, Charlie's twin AKA Crying Child, and was the person thrown into the sticky note room after being rebuilt and is actually being PROTECTED by the nightmare security robot (or would scare him enough to keep him there). Also explains why Sammy/Crying Child/Gregory made the Afton family from bots, because he thought they were part of his family after being abducted and monitored by Afton after he killed Charlie. Another big reason I think Gregory IS Crying Child (this is not the BEST evidence) is the fact that when faced with Monty he calls you "little guy" just like CC's big bro did before he got chomped. (Calling him little man etc.)
I love the little moments of Mat just pausing and going "hm, interesting, thats pretty good" in his head i imagine absolute chaos like that one scene from spongebob
I do not really know how i feel about the theory itself, but the Nightmarionne's presence on this game is truly interesting to me, it surely means something and shouldn't be ignored.
Agreed, I don't think it's what FuhNaff suggests it to be though there's away too many assumptions to affirm that's the case. Nightmare Marrion being a symbol of her trauma though of course makes total sense... kind of.
@@tes33720 I never clicked it but I did see it before. It was about q/a. It was live so it isn't going to be posted unless he decides edit it and publish.
Reminds me of how RU-vid way back, where you could have video responses to videos. So if someone did a video, you could leave a response video to it. Back when RU-vid also let you have full page wallpapers and i got creative and made a calendar on mine for games i posted to the channel
I have a question I need answered. If Roxy's eyes can see Vanny, hidden CDs, and all of the collectibles through walls, AND Freddy is able to see Gregory with the Roxy Eyes upgrade, then how is Gregory able to hide from Roxy at all? That just doesn't make any sense to me. If Roxy's eyes allow Freddy to see Vanny and otherwise hidden objects , even through barriers, then how does she lose sight of Gregory when he hides?
It’s simple: if you want to watch the video so much then go to John’s channel and watch it uninterrupted. Reaction videos’ main criticism is that they play the entire video as it is with little to no input. Doing that devalues the creator’s work and damages his channel too. MatPat in this case is giving his thoughts and ideas while watching it, because he isn’t only seeing this as a viewer, but also as a way to get ideas HIMSELF from another person who has spent time on Security Breach and researching it. If you came for his reaction, then deal with the interruptions. If you came for the video, go to John’s channel. (Sorry if I sounded rude btw I’m just a little annoyed at the swarm of comments relating to this one thing)
@@crazylegoids9227 I meant my comment in a completely positive way. If it was up to me i’d hope it was another hour. I enjoy hearing in depth dives into topics I enjoy, and i’d rather watch this instead of watching johns video multiple times to unravel it myself. I do understand your frustration
@@hyrixmusic I think their somewhat harsh reply was because there have been so many comments about people being annoyed at mat for pushing every 5 seconds for like 5 minutes each.
@@crazylegoids9227i agree if you want to watch the original video, then just watch the original video. but the problem is we come here to see mat pats reaction, but when he stops the video every 5 FUCKING seconds to talk rather than actually watch and react to the video it gets real frustrating quickly. they pause mid sentence talk for 15 minuets about something, criticize or straight up dismiss his theories, then they un-pause the video where he then continues his sentence and explains exactly what they where just criticizing about his theory and they will then pause the video to talk for another 15 minuets about that. they keep doing this over and over every few seconds of the video. then because they keep talking so much they realize they only have like 10 minuets left so they just stick it on 2x speed to try and finish it in time. and only then do they actually watch the video properly. if they want to theory craft they can do that, but in the middle of a reaction its just not the right place. no disrespect i love matpat but i think they need to try and only pause it to talk once hes finished with what hes saying, let him explain and show proof and once he goes onto something different the pause it to talk.
One thing I really disagree with is the assumption that Charlie/The Puppet is helping Afton unwillingly when her voice lines from UCN imply that not only does she not care about him but also that she has her own nefarious plans that don't involve him. Here's the lines so you don't have to look them up: "I don't hate you, but you'll need to stay out of my way." "The others are like animals, but I am very aware."
@@josephvargas2259 The only person to ever describe game Charlie is her father which I'd say is a bit biased considering he only knew her for like 6 years and by that point she'd been in the puppet for like 40. She's also the one who stuffed the bodies in the suits which not only helped Afton get away with his crimes but also ensured the souls be stuck to the animatronics and then in UCN she even mocks them by calling them animals. She might not be a straight up villain (yet) but she's definitely not a good person and whether intentionally or not did help Afton in the long run.
@@SpiritOfSpite Yeah that may be true but she did that with good intentions and never with malevolent intentions. Also remember with the lines with ultimate custom they are in game made from Cassidy and William Afton not the actual Charlie spirit.
@@josephvargas2259 Very true. It would be odd for either Cassidy or Afton to randomly make up those lines not based in reality when many other lines are used for lore proofs though.
@@Hilo-gk3ix I'd say, we use the old excuse... She's a child, she most likely put two and two together and thought "Well I died near a robot and I'm it, so maybe they'll live if they do the same" And made that bond as permanent and close as possible. Stuffing them.
Something from FNaF AR that, to my memory, MatPat never acknowledged is how the animatronics in that game appear similar to how Ballora appears to Kasey in the "Dance With Me" story in Fazbear Frights. Invisible to us, but visible (though glitchy) through our phone in FNaF AR, or the glasses in the story. It just seems like such a strange thing to emphasize so it MUST have some importance, right? edit: I will keep commenting this on every FNaF video they do until it gets a heart or reply so I know they’ve seen it.
@@Bransbow I want to say either some point during the part 1, of this part, or the first theory reaction. It was sometime when they were discussing the books recently.
And if this is a Nightmare Charlie, maybe Afton has control over the robotic body, so even as Charlie is gaining more consciousness, she still has no control over what she does when Afton needs her. Like the plot to a sci-fi psychological horror movie.
Can't wait for the final part reaction. There's some pretty interesting stuff FuhNaff brings up, like how Gregory can clearly see Vanny walking around on cameras despite Vanny using an Illusion Disc that's suppose to hide or distort her.
I love these videos! Theory crafting has always been some of my fav videos, but taking in another persons views and ideas is such an important part of theory crafting and getting a better look at the bigger picture. These videos have been so fun to watch
One thing I recently thought of that could be interesting is about baby, she is hinted at being a new big bad in the books, and her robot body is technically an adult form of Charlie with Elizabeth’s soul inside, and the whole body snatching/double thing really makes me think about that ending with two Vanessa which just didn’t make sense at all other than be figurative, but what if one of them was baby in disguise
You bet I stopped what I was watching as soon as I saw this notification. I've been eager to see this continued! It's refreshing to see Fuhnaff's take on a lot of things. ^^
@@cerealbeforemilk096 😂😂😂 NOT THE SIGH~ Lowkey though ik alot of ppl hate how much matpat rambles but for someone like me who isn't caught up with the lore his input is very helpful and he makes good points too. I just wish he'd actually finish the darn video. Only thing that drives me crazy.
After they’re finished reacting to FuhNaffs videos, I would love if matpat would react to AstralSpiffs “theory” about the story of security breach. Could maybe be a breath of fresh air for them, or at least a laugh as MatPat slowly loses his mind
Honestly, same. Spiff’s shitpost-type theory has always kinda stuck out to me as a bit of a cautionary parody of the mess that is Security Breach theorizing.
8:31 He had said here about the different things being displayed from the previous pizzerias, but the specific items he showed were both not from a pizzeria. The purple robot and the purple phone were both toys that were in crying child's room back in Fnaf 4, so those weren't from any existing pizzeria. But then, how did fazbear entertainment become aware of what happened during the 4th game if it wasn't set at any of their locations they owned?
Well, if it is true that the first 4 games were actually just games in universe, Fazbear entertainment could have retroactively created the game assests and made them into exhibits.
My thought process was that they were originally going to be part of Circus Baby's Pizza World, which maybe would've fallen under the Fazbear Entertainment company umbrella
20:52 I personally think it's worth noting that "Patient 46" could actually be the younger version of Charlie. I (myself) have been speculating that instead of Gregory in the initial FNaFSB release, we will instead be playing as a little girl with blonde pigtails. I think this is Steelwool's attempt to convey that we will in fact be playing as "Patient 46" instead of Gregory. It definitely feels like these two characters have a connection... maybe they ARE (in fact) the victims from 1983 that possessed Golden Freddy. (Let's just hope they didn't clone them using "Faz-Goo").
Yes, Jon mentions that Afton probably stole the discarded original Charlie bot (the little kid version) in the game, while in the book Afton took the unfinished adult Charlie bot instead.
I think the main issue the FNAF franchize is dealing with currently is how wishy washy a lot of the evidence is. You have certain lines, certain pieces that are so vague that, honestly, you could take them in any direction. Was The Puppet an accomplice in keeping Afton in a hellscape, or was it all Cassidy? As is, it's vague and could go either way, all Steel Wool would have to do is toss in a line of dialogue or some other kind of Easter egg to confirm or deny. Security Breach and the FNAF AR emails are infuriating because, unlike entries such as FNAF 2 the details are so scattered and muddled they could be reconstructed into whatever order you want. Steel Wool, with the upcoming DLC NEEDS to look at the scattered pieces and actually add in actual tangible details to bring some of this together. It gets frustrating to go into the lore anymore because there's this sense that, no matter what conclusion you come to, the next entry will toss in some new Easter egg that contradicts the previously agreed upon theories, meaning you have to start at square one.
I will say that I definitely agree with the idea that Afton isn’t the person in control right now. The very first thing I thought about after seeing Security Breach’s secrets was that it felt to me like Afton wasn’t in control. Not even of Glitchtrap necessarily. The frolicking nature of the both Vanny and Glitchtrap reminded me more of a child, and I’d think the best candidate would be Elizabeth. It would make sense that she would be forcibly trying to rebuild her father. She’s always been a little twisted ever since becoming Baby and maybe even earlier on. Who knows. But I could see Elizabeth as Baby trying to bring Afton back to life by possessing somebody else first and then desperately trying her best to get him back. I’d argue she was probably trying to get the old FNaF 1 animatronics back because she needs remnant in order to make Afton’s body work. Maybe that’s the entire point of the Blob in the first place. But I think it makes sense to say Afton isn’t the one actually pulling the strings.
Okay idk why Elizabeth hasn’t been considered as patient 46 yet. She’s the only one who would wanna work for her dad etc. and used illusion disc or in the books steals a kids body. Etc. so Charlie can finally be dead and left alone. Obviously fact check it. But thought I should throw that in there ?
Also in the books she is the one leading up to be the final big bags so much that she over powers the “ afton trash rabbit” etc. so makes sense for her to be the one pulling the strings behind the scenes etc. :)
@@Th0rnl0uu the problem comes with details about patient 46's personality. They prefer dark basements, something that Elizabeth hates after being trapped in the underground location of Sister Location; they don't like flowers, which Elizabeth clearly does since she has a pretty big picture of a flower in her room. I do agree that some details line up but things like this (that are supposed to be some of the "facts" that we know about her) don't (sorry if my english it's not perfect)
@@Th0rnl0uu another thing that patient 46 is still said to not fit in that chair even tho the book says Elizabeth has a adult humanoid form now so that also a contradiction
Bro I love how smart Tom is. He helps matpat formulate his thoughts. He is definitely very opinionated as well. But not in an angry way. Like.. some commentators matpat had before were. Ahem... sorry if that sounds judgy mb-
21:53 I think the correct name that you guys are looking for when talking about adult Charlie is “Circus Baby!!” The word “circus” adds a lot more description than you would think. Just a note for when differentiating between characters.
After you’ve seen all of John’s theories I strongly recommend Rye toast’s recent video covering it. The splitting of the timeline into fnaf 1-UCN and help wanted-present is really smart I think
Yeah I'm with Matt. I really like the idea of a new-gen Afton victim in Vanny as a poor girl dominated by Afton and corrupted into being evil having to fight against an old-gen victim in Charlie or Cassidy who each held onto themselves and fought back against Afton. It's an interesting bit I like a lot.
I just want to say one thing, why do you think it's so hard to believe that Vanessa would go as far as to kill a shipping guy? At the time that happened we're meant to believe that She is being controlled by William, who would probably go as far as to kill ANYONE that gets in the way of HIS work. Someone thinks Vanessa isn't cut for the job? gone. Someone is just annoying? gone. Someone wants to cancel shipments?? GONE. William Afton has been the main antagonist of this story since- forever. After 2 fires (technically not 3 cause we're talking before the Afton end), betrayal from his own family (William would see Michael as a traitor), torture in hell (UCN), and such other things, he's willing to do anything to anyone if it means he gets what he needs.
That’s entirely possible but usually in this series you come to a conclusion based on hard evidence and it’s kind of an annoying crutch to just used “she killed him” for the 30th time as an excuse to fill holes in the lore and especially something the series would not do since there was a lot of care put into it
Interestingly, Henry in the FNAF 6 ending uses very similar dialogue to the code on the wall. I believe he said something about little breaths of life. Not too sure.
This is a real reaction video. Actually watching listening and talking about the video while watching. Streamers who watch videos and just reupload them on their youtube while eating and barely talking are so cringe. I respect this :)
