This GT4 sounds better than GT4RS; change my mind

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GT4RS review embargo is finally removed and what most reviewers touch on is the visceral experience and the emotional sound of GT4RS that sets it apart from GT4. While we can't argue the technical improvements that add up for the amazing car that GT4RS is, I would argue with a few mods, you can make the more easily available GT4 sound as good (if not better) than GT4RS.

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@jackholmes8105 2 года назад

As someone who has driven the gt4rs and has a gt4 on order. This has gone a long way in closing the gap. Personally i prefer induction noise to exhaust but this particularly for a "regular non gt 4 liter" sounds amazing. Its a shame that with JCR and most of the aftermarket mufflers you loose the rear areo benefits of the stock exhaust. The extra 100 hp and 1000 rpm though is hard to beat sadly.

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

wow that means a lot coming from you! there is def no question in the fact that GT4RS is a better car all around. There is no replacement for a GT3 engine that revs to 9K and I can only imagine how sweet is the induction noise happening inches from your ears. That said, there is a middle ground between a stock GT4 and a stock GT4RS from the emotional aspect. You have driven a stock GT4 and i am sure you can attest to the fact that it sounds too civil for a GT car. This setup has really brought the car to life and transformed my ownership experience. It has made driving the car feel more of an occasion than it used to feel. I feel giddy everytime I drive through a tunnel or hit the 6k rpm. I think what makes GT4RS such an amazing car is the emotional aspect of it, that makes it a better car than a GT3 and in that sense, my point is you can add much more emotion to your GT4 without having to buy 10 macans from your porsche dealer or spend 100k over msrp. I 100% agree with you about how aftermarket exhausts like JCR ignored the aero boxing, but akra muffler has stayed true to the original design, which would have been my second choice if I didnt go with JCR. Congrats on the inbound GT4 and keep up the amazing videos at SG. I love the technical deep dives you guys do and am low key jealous of how you guys get your hands on marketing design slides of porsche.

@PS3Cooooooool 2 года назад

I’m amazed as well to see Jack himself writing here! Big fan btw I own a GT4 718 with mods and my brothers owns a GT3RS 911.2 For both street n track and driver engagement hands down a base GT4 can exceed your want. The GT3RS (or any RS nowadays) always come with a compromise qith firmer everything gears, agility, and raw characters which isn’t necessarily good for occasional street use but weapon in track that gets numbers and easy to beat rivals with little skill and exp. Rev to 9k tbh is almost non existent in street + you feel furious if you do it outside of track just to change 2-3 gears to enjoy for 10 seconds and will get you in trouble where manual isn’t gona make you go bananas. Reminds me alot with Jeremy when he said the rpm is in the top shelf of your kitchen its there but you rarely use it

@jackholmes8105 2 года назад

@@blendlinegarage42 thanks for the kind words. I am really happy to hear you enjoy your gt4, i do tend to agree that the car is muted. I ruined the car for myself in someways by spending so much time in the 991.1,.2 and 992 gt3s before driving the 718 gt4. That said the gt4 is amazing, and for its price point. its absolute madness in this country how dealers can absolutely rake you over the coals the way they do. My build date got pushed to late summer so im now on the fence between my current build and a z06. Who knows.

@crazygerman88 2 года назад

What’s your GT4 Spec?

@brianhimmelman420 2 года назад

@@blendlinegarage42 what is aero boxing?

@petermerin 2 года назад

It sounds good, not as good as the RS. It’s just a raw exhaust sound. The RS sounds refined, revs quicker and to 9K RPM.

@spikes20 2 года назад

This is peak GT4 sound with this exhaust setup for sure...but can't beat the RS with those airboxes running through cabin too...and that's just out of the box sound hahaha.

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

I cant really hear the inside cabin induction noise in any of the reviews but I believe people who says its awesome. even a GT4 stock or with some high flow air filter give you induction noises. That aside, the exhaust sound itself isnt that amazing and many people say that in their reviews that the car sounds much better inside than outside. Check out the carwow review and listen to them rev the engine. exhaust sounds sharp but muffled

@Shadowboost 2 года назад

@@blendlinegarage42 it's specifically tuned for 400 Hz in the last 1000 rpm. You can hear the note get more frantic at the top end. In this video, the sound is way more one dimensional

@AirsoftFanatics Год назад

Car sounds amazing! I’ve been eyeing the JCR exhaust but can’t decide between the silenced and non silenced pipes. I don’t think either will pass Laguna Secas strict dB limits either way. What are your thoughts on the silenced and non silenced versions?

@blendlinegarage42 Год назад

do you have overaxle pipes? without them the jcr backbox is pretty quiet! the non silenced is still valved so it has a quieter mode. If all fails i think there are adapter silencing tips you can install

@AirsoftFanatics Год назад

@@blendlinegarage42 no OAPs yet and that’s where I’ve considered keeping the stock box and maybe doing OAPs instead. Guess I’ll just have to buy them and hear it for myself. Thanks for the input!

@blendlinegarage42 Год назад

@@AirsoftFanatics if you want volume, go with oap, if you want tone (high pitch gt3 style) go with JCR backbox. But the combo is pretty loud. There is also a hack on rennlist with stock exhaust where you put a colae on the valves and it keeps them open below 4k range and makes crazy impact. Id prob do oap and valve colars first before spending big bucks on jcr if i were you.

@shyguyy92 Год назад

haha love the friendly wave as you passed by at 1:37

@blendlinegarage42 Год назад

haha I wouldnt be so friendly if they didnt give me the pass

@robg112 Год назад

Consider later apex's and don;t let off the throttle like that when the rear starts to dance. Thanks for sharing.. Sounds awesome.

@blendlinegarage42 Год назад

very valid points, and yes mid corner lift off almost got me in trouble there

@THEDriverMod_ 2 года назад

Sounds awesome but it's hard to beat the GT3 engine

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

Yes, no doubt the GT3 engine is more superior in many ways, but more specially in the way it revs an extra 1k. That being said, for the rest of rev range, with the particulate filter and the current muffling on GT4RS, I still think my setup sounds better (based countless videos ive' watched on GT4RS sound). The 8-9k rev range is sweet but as you can see in this video, unless you are smashing the throttle in a straight line, PDK won't keep you in that last bit of rev range for too long. Can't wait to hear one in person.

@THEDriverMod_ 2 года назад

@@blendlinegarage42 either way, a gt3 or gt4 will be one of the cars I add to the garage. I'm building a line up of 8k plus rpm cars....got the S2000 and GT350 currently

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

@@THEDriverMod_ thats a great collection, I really kick myself for not having bought a s2000 when they were a bit cheaper.

@THEDriverMod_ 2 года назад

@@blendlinegarage42 it's definitely another unique experience that you can't get anywhere else. I was also looking at Miatas at the time but even for double the price, I still think the S2K was the better buy in the short and long term. It will always be in style where as the Miata comes out with a new one every few years

@THEDriverMod_ 2 года назад

@@blendlinegarage42 you can still find good deals out there and these engines are well built especially the AP2 engines, buying one with 80-140k miles is still a healthy engine as long as the maintenance has been kept up with.

@migueldejesus986 2 года назад

No one can beat the sound of 9000 rpm redline men, hear some Ferrari's like the extreme one the FXX K evo it is like the GT4 RS men but doesn't have another 6 cylinders

@BrianShaw23 2 года назад

Great video, looks like a lot of fun! I finally ordered the JCR valved silenced exhaust, looking to pair it with the JCR silenced OAPs once they are out. How has your setup changed the sound from inside the cabin? Only thing I'm afraid of is if the exhaust will drown out the beautiful induction sound from inside the cabin. I wonder if BMC air filters improve the sound in any way that would be worth installing.

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

Thank you and congrats! you can't go wrong with that setup. it really transforms the car inside and out. You do get some drone around 2-2.5K RPM but that is expected from any free flowing x pipe setup. That said, you will hear a lot more bangs at gear changes (specially with PDK) and burbles when you let off throttle. JCR def gives the car a higher pitch (mostly due to the titanium material and how they resonate sound) which will resemble that of GT3s. BMC filters would def add more volume and make the intake sound even more noticeable but I opted against them because 1) you need to remove a whole bunch of interior panels to get to them 2) as good as they are, they let in more dust and dirt compared to factory paper filter. I'm hearing unless you put a ridiculous number of miles or live next to mine the extra unfiltered dust won't make much impact to the engine but the perfectionist in me would obsess over it so I opted against it. Even as is, the car is plenty chaos. If you ever did OAP, JCR, BMC do post a video I am curious to hear the madness.

@kasondemundashi329 2 года назад

Have also change my mind GT4 is great 🙏🏿🇿🇲

@samirpatodia 4 месяца назад

Does it sound like this inside? Noticed you said this is from an external mic. Is this the Akropovic OAP + JCR Exhaust?

@blendlinegarage42 4 месяца назад

yes, thats the setup. Skip to 2:35 for sound inside cabin, it's muffled due to wind but you can get the idea, it sounds very vibrant inside cabin as well

@jensis 2 года назад

Thanks for the video , sounds nice! How about drone with this setup ?

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

Some drone from 2k-2.5k.. all good above that range.

@corndog2441 2 года назад

I have the titanium JCR on my spyder I have been debating about the OAP because a couple ppl told me it will get a Honda raspy pitch I read of the Porsche high pitch. Your thoughts?

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

there is nothing honda sounding about any GT4 setup (no disrespect to honda). You can hear the car yourself and judge. One thing i must say, i bought the oap from a spyder owner who sold it bc it was too loud for his liking (he couldnt have a phone conversation while driving the car). But that is not a concern of mine so all is good

@randomtroglodyte7272 2 года назад

sounds beautiful but the fact you had to use an external mic means the gt4rs still wins this one

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

check this out for the inside cabin sound: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-75h9jxzO4NY.html

@Kunani 2 года назад

Agree. I bet some aftermarket window replacement intakes would solve any sound issues inside :p

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

haha trust me I have absolutely no sound issues inside.. pretty loud and delicious. Now if you want that little bit of intake sound, you can always throw in some higher flow filters.

@henryliu521 2 года назад

i think you are missing the point of porsche GT cars. I own few Porsches myself including the new 718 GT4 and 992 turbo s. I drove the both the 991.2 GT3 and the 992 GT3 on track and theres a reason why gt4 is the perfect car for noobie track drivers. Its a lot more forgiving on the turns because of the higher gear ratio and lower HP comparing to a rear engine GT3 or the new GT4rs. It also depends on the type of track and events your are doing. The GT4RS will be much less forgiving considering the lowered gearing ratio and faster speed. Neither the GT4RS nor the GT3 are car new drivers should even be buying. There is no point to jump into a GT3 without any track experience. That's something only posers would do. I dont think the 991.2 GT3 is much better than the 718 GT4 but its more fun and challenging. The EA9A2Evo engine is not a lesser engine compare to the EA9A1 but thats not the point. Don't compare those nonsense. Porsche build cars for purpose and the 4RS is targeted towards a small crowd of buyers. Once you master the GT4, maybe mod it or upgrade to a gt3. Personally i dont think any mods are good because you would want to upgrade the car once you reach its full potential. But if you want to mod, its easy to make it as fast as a 4rs or gt3 but only mod with purpose. Most ppl crying about the GT4RS on the internet are ppl who never even tracked. Dont be titling those videos like a noob. its embarrassing to compare stock GT4RS sound to your aftermarket exhaust.

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

i think you are missing my point. I never added exhaust to get better performance out of the car. in fact, with the backbox alone it seemed like i lost HP throughout the rev range (see my other videos). if you do have a 718 GT4, you must already know this, stock exhaust is too muffled from factory. It takes a lot of emotion out of the ownership experience which shouldnt be the case for a GT car. Most people who mod their GT4 do it with the purpose of giving it some of the GT3 goodness in sound department. GT4 is plenty of car for my skill levels on track. But the enhanced sound makes ownership experience much much much more emotional than it used to be. Thats why I am comparing 4RS with GT4.

@henryliu521 2 года назад

@@blendlinegarage42 I don’t mind your exhaust setup. I just dont like the comparison of an aftermarket setup to a stock car. GT4RS sounds good but that’s all there is. the 4RS is all hype job. The 24sec lap time improvement over the standard GT4 is a phony number. You should know that The GT4-MR setup improves the standard GT4 lap time by 12+ sec on regular cup 2 tires. Porsche also used a better driver for the GT4RS lap. Christian Gebhardt is a 2nd tier driver compare to Jörg Bergmeister. With cup-2R tires on a GT4MR, the car could easily run a sub 7 min lap very similar to the GT4RS. Maybe 4-5 sec behind a 4RS mainly due to the straight line acceleration. If you factoring in the track cost, the GT4 is the better track toy than the GT4RS Forsure. Internet dummies hyping over the GT4RS have no clue about the running cost on a RS car. The 4RS is really for ppl who have lots of experiences driving a GT3. The GT4 is much more popular among true drivers. You could watch Meisha’s channel for a detail breakdown of why ppl trading in 992 GT3 for GT4. We are very lucky to own a 718 GT4 because everything is going electric soon. Enjoy the car and don’t think it’s any less of a car than the GT4RS. Let the noobs think that and pay the $100K markup. The car doesn’t worth $250-300K.

@henryliu521 2 года назад

@@blendlinegarage42 also the GT4 is better looking than the 4RS.

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

@@henryliu521 I 100% agree with you on all those counts. The 24 second improvement is also comparing manual to PDK. on more technical tracks the value of added HP will really be more negligible. I also like the simplicity of GT4 look, specially the rear wing. The RS wing looks off.

@pringlw 2 года назад

Sounds great that’s all that matters. GT3RS also sounds great.

@koruki 2 года назад

Tell me I’m death without telling me I’m death

@user-zx1ir7jt4c Год назад

Definitely BETTER than the RS and you spent WAY less than those suckers... congrats on an amazing ride sir!

@blendlinegarage42 Год назад

thank you sir, yeah i figured at 160k sticker GT4RS is a good deal but def not when you have to pay mark up at 340k.. appreciate the nice comment

@user-zx1ir7jt4c Год назад

@blendlinegarage42 Yeah that's exactly what I mean. The RS is a beautiful and amazing machine and if you can get it at sticker price then it's not such a bad deal but we all know how ridiculously Inflated those prices are... even more so than a gt3!

@travis3810 2 года назад

Sounds awesome! Imagine what a GT4RS with a full titanium system will sound like 🤯

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

yes I can't wait to hear it!

@llavero5 2 года назад

GT4 RS induction sound amazing in cockpit, so exhaust can only make it worse. And titanium probably have nothing to do with the sound, but how hollow and shaped the muffler is

@kaiwang1782 2 года назад

Never drove a GT4RS so I can only compare my GT4 with GPF delete and my buddy's 991.2 GT3. With GPF removed, GT4 sounds raspier than GT3 but that 1000 rpm in GT3 is really magical. I cannot handle GPF delete plus a X-pipe though, it would be deafening on the straights revving out in 4th gear🤣

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

100% agree

@PaulLukeBonenfant 2 года назад

Sounds very good! The RS is just a different league tho…

@katrinagwen Год назад

So what exhaust components are on this?

@alecfindlay 2 года назад

Sorry but making your exhaust sound louder does not equal better. The bliss from GT4 RS is mostly intake noise thanks to those carbon ducts and the airbox taking up half the rear deck. Intake > Exhaust

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

louder is definitely better :) intake noise is over rated. I hear plenty of intake noise in my GT4, maybe not 16 inches from my ear but maybe 24? its not inside cabin but how about i crack the windows? if i ever find myself craving for that little more intake noise, i will just throw in a set of BMC filters. not trying to make excuses, my point is objectively the exhaust to exhaust, mine sounds better compared to factory GT4RS. both pitch and volume. The extra intake noise and 1k rev range, is def sweet on 4RS but doesn't elevate your ownership experience by 120k which is the prem you will likely pay on the 4RS once they hit the market.

@Shadowboost 2 года назад

@@blendlinegarage42 intake noise is underrated. It's far superior to exhaust. This is why the BMW 6 cylinders are legendary. And why people love ITBs. The premium price of a RS is a lot more than just the rpm and intake, it's the whole package, which you'll more than get back on resale. Have you looked at the airbox of the GT4RS? It's a lot more comprehensive than just a filter change and some intakes by the door

@Pusigabe 2 года назад

GT3>GT4>GT4RS Price-wise gt3 and 4rs are too similirar and gt3 is better. GT4 with some basic upgrades outperforms 4RS with massive gap in price. It is too expensive vis a vis gt3.

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

the factory price gap is 40K, while substantial I think is pretty acceptable. What is not acceptable is paying $100-120K over MSRP for a GT4RS. I don't think it is $140K better than a GT4 for sure. I think in that scenario I'd rather go with MR treatment.

@jmartprjmartpr9944 2 года назад

Can you please post those basic upgrade to close the gap of +80 hp between GT4 and GT4RS?

@Shadowboost 2 года назад

GT4 ain't coming close to a GT4RS without really sticky tires, race suspension, and significant power increases, even then it'll be slower just on aero

@jmartprjmartpr9944 2 года назад

Of course we can always mod the GT4RS.......problem with GT4 and 4RS is that they share the same muffler design with no mix of both banks with valves open.

@joeharris3810 9 месяцев назад

Sounds good with helmet on

@mohammedseedat4453 2 года назад

Sounds amazing but the 4RS is insane with those air boxes

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

did you hear it in any of the videos? I believe it's there but I can't hear it in any of the reviews.

@mohammedseedat4453 2 года назад

@@blendlinegarage42 the exterior sound would stand no chance against your GT4, the cabin sound is where most of the difference would be as the intake is in the cabin.

@VerangaF430 2 года назад

Well you can come to conclusion when you drive one in person... Sound coming through a video doesn't do any justice...

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

agreed.. for now I'm really comparing videos to videos and let me remind I captured this with a $30 mic attached to a $200 GoPro. I would expect the professional journalist who have reviewed 4RS have better setup in capturing the true sound than I do? objectively, comparing video to video, I find the 4RS factory exhaust lackluster compared to my setup (I would still gladly trade my GT4 for 4RS). My point is really not to say GT4 is better than GT4RS (that would be absurd) but is to say if you want that extra emotion out of a regular GT4, there are options available that won't include paying $120K over MSRP for a GT4RS.

@Shadowboost 2 года назад

@@blendlinegarage42 extra emotion comes from inside the cabin, not outside. The McLaren F1 you can barely hear it outside, but from the inside it's second to none

@easyrider7021 2 года назад

@@blendlinegarage42 Agreed. And you have made a great effort. I have a 981 GT4 and am in the queue for a GT4RS. What sold the RS to me was Bergeisters epic run on Nurburing where the resonant sound (and his driving and the car's ability) was epic. Unfortunately as has been pointed out here, we can't drive around town at 9,000 RPM due to things called traffic and nimbys wanting 30 kmph speed limits.

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

@@easyrider7021 thats’ 100% true.. as much as I am a fan of that extra 1K rev range and dig the high pitch noise of the engine in that sweet spot, I am barely able to hit the 8k limiter in my car on street and even on track. On street you hit traffic or go to jail after hitting 8k on second gear and on track it usually keeps you at 6500 where the bulk of the torque is.

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

@@easyrider7021 and congrats on GT4RS. the anticipation is half the pleasure

@adityabagmane1890 2 года назад

Which exhaust is this?

@emerckx53 2 года назад

No it doesn't. But yes, it very good. You cannot duplicate the intake sound..

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

here you go, tell me if this intake sound is enough 4rs for you: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-75h9jxzO4NY.html

@SeanAlexanderJournalist 2 года назад

How often do you drive it with your ears outside the car by the rear bumper? Your intake sounds nowhere near as good as the GT4RS and it's the intake that makes the music in the cabin. From the driver's seat your car sounds great, but it's not close to the beauty or volume of the GT4RS.

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

what you hear on the video even with the external mic is very accurate representation of what i hear inside. The second portion with gopro mic inside cabin is not even remotely a fair rep of how the car sounds because of the wind noise really muffing the sound quality. I agree with you in the awesome rawness of the in cabin air intake in GT4RS but my point is a good sounding exhaust will close the wide gap between a 4RS and GT4 a lot. Also In GT4 if you crack the window down a bit or throw in an highflow air intake, you can hear more of intake sound if thats what you are into. Again not making excuses just saying the gap between 4RS and GT4 from emotional pov can be closed substantially

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

check out this video for intake sound inside cabin: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-75h9jxzO4NY.html

@schoeffeur4762 2 года назад

Sounds fine. You drive a GT4 can’t you be happy with that?

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

haha do you see me crying?

@Commacal 2 года назад

What track is this? Looks fun

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

MSR Cresson in Cresson, TX. this is the 3.1 m CCW configuration... very fun for sure

@martinhevia 2 года назад

RS sounds better. Cant compare.

@benm.3994 2 года назад

Comparing tuned Vs stock is rather senseless. GT4 RS is definitely the way meaner car

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

My GT4 is not tuned, it has a higher flow exhaust. I never claimed GT4 is a "meaner" car but rather it sounds better than the stock GT4RS with the factory GPF.

@ronburgundy4375 2 года назад

Okay I've made some comments on my thoughts for the 718 the motor in the gt4 is the same motor as the 911 turbo except it doesn't have the turbos on it. Wich is why it can feel a little lack luster at times even at 420hp because it's supposed to have boost behind it. The motor in the gt4rs is the same one that's in the gt3 etc. They had to flip the motor around wich equates likley to a longer exhaust and possibly a different manifold design. I think it being a 718 it will likely still accept the same jcr rear exhaust section but if you want opf delete or over axle pipes for that car a company is going to have to design new ones. I will agree the gt4 sounds fantastic with your exhaust setup jcr makes similar but I think slightly better over axle pipes with the same heat shielding that's in the apropovic units. If you want the Intake noise the gt4rs provides I think it might be as simple as upgrading the filters. If in fact it is the same motor in the gt4 that's from the 911 turbo I hope someone comes out with a supercharger kit/procharger. 8k rpm is great but the car needs to be at 500 hp never mind the things that are options that should be factory like the upgraded stereo android auto and Apple car play. Led lights illuminated door sills etc. But if it's the same motor that means it has alot of potential that is totally un tapped considering where you can take a 911 turbo with minimal upgrades. Could easily squeeze the car to 650 whp no sweat and it should take just about every bit of it. What I will say is both the gt4 and gt4rs look fantastic I wouldnt rock all the exposed carbon fiber on the rs... The factory centerlock wheels look fantastic.

@tomw3102 2 года назад

What has been done with this set up?

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

Akra OAP + JCR Non-silenced. Checkout this video here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2_Plyp4u_xI.html&ab_channel=blendlinegarage

@tomw3102 2 года назад

@@blendlinegarage42 thanks! if you happen to do some more road videos would also be cool! sounds mega tho! swayed me to gt4 rather then gt3 for sure

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

@@tomw3102 absolutely!

@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921 2 года назад

The GT4RS sounds almost motorcyclish.

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

yeah specially in that last bit of rev range

@MariuszLopz 2 года назад

no, no... sounds really great but gt4 rs its really special, im staying with RS

@rdadams7507 2 года назад

I don’t have to change your mind. I simply don’t agree with you.

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

that's perfectly fine too

@strahinjaboskovic305 2 года назад

Price and manuel trans is win win...for 1000 rpm to pay that price is just insane. Gt4 is awesome car who need better have small penis or some problem like that :) :) :) On rs you need to change exhaust like on any other car coz of regulations lose a lot but point is trans and price...i love cars but 200k for 718 is just insane

@blendlinegarage42 2 года назад

hahaha well said.