This headset tries to do EVERYTHING 

what a ridicolous fanboy statement. brad is like many of us, JUST USING THE PRODUCT. it doesnt take a genius to know whats wrong with stuff. if actual developers/r&d needs a youtuber, they need to find a different job LMAO!

⁠@@SINfromPL​​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠it’s obvious that Bradley knows a bit more than most users in terms of user experience and hardware. It’s this exact “the consumer knows nothing” that leads to bad product to begin with

@@Superwazop somnium creators claim themselves to be 'enthusiasts'. brad might know more than 'most users', but the average user who is deep and long into VR can tell the exact same thing. one does not even have to try somnium to know it's worthless.

​@@SINfromPL"Average" doesn't equal that, just casual.

@@paulct91 to my knowledge bradley did not contribute even once in vr software development. he is nothing more than a consumer. a consumer who is addicted to vrchat and barely even tests anything else. he built his following among burned out pcvr elitists who are butthurt that Meta is the leader, Quest is the most popular headset ever, and they are just looking for valve to save vr, when in reality they have zero real interest in vr. even in this video he doesnt reveal anything groundbreaking in terms of knowledge. lens distortion? chromatic abberation? screen door effect? these things are common knowledge for anyone who has been taking vr seriously the past few years.

Tell that to smartphone makers lol

Man I wish I could afford a $2k smartphone...

@@smallbutdeadly931 Believe me. You don't miss out much other than less money in your bank. A $150 phone is good enough of what you need because gaming on mobile phone is trash. If you need good camera just buy an actual camera!

@@smallbutdeadly931 Make payments, just like everyone else on the planet does.

@@evolicious or just get a mid-range phone for a couple of hundred like a sensible person instead of locking yourself into a contract for an overpriced piece of kit that was designed to be obsolete in a couple of years.

most people even if they would notice anything, are too afraid to say anything bad.

Well you can't work on making something better if most people don't notice or can't really describe what is getting to them so you didn't know there was a solvable problem for anybody yet. And in the case of VR type stuff you have to get used to some quirks anyway - the god rays, distortion, illegible text outside of a small sweetspot, visible pixels, the weight, tracking issues (etc) are all part of the experience to some extent - boundaries are being pushed and not everything can be as perfect as you would like in all situations. It may well be that wear this headset for a few hours and even though you did once notice you have adapted enough that now you are moving your eyes and head in a way that doesn't really trigger that uncomfortable feeling automatically, or just that by having a slightly different shaped head that bad distortion is not really in the FOV you use - if it can be improved that is obviously great, but expecting any single VR platform to be perfect at every category when they are trying to interface so completely with the wild variation of humanity. Which is one of the things that makes this headset sound interesting to me - the promise of more openness means that any of the bits that don't suit you may well be very easy to customise.

1900€(Euros)

me too

💯 this. Given the competition, this is a tough sell. I heard the price when I saw the VR Flight Sim Guy interview with this company and at first I thought the base model was $899 and didn't think anything of it, I miss-heard the value. When I realised it was $1899 that makes all of the criticism Bradley has provided very valid and concerning. On top of that, I'm loathed to go back to what appears to be a front heavy bulky headset. For the price, honestly this has to be perfect and it's a long way from that.

@@dtrjones It is not a long way to fix those issues. Again, some might think it is, but there will be a lot of tweaking and testing happening in the last 3 months.

We, of course will polish and fix a lot of issues which were mentioned to us. Majority of issues will go away with mass production and factory grade calibrations / inspections.

​@@ArturTechTalesah yes mass production will fix everything, when you can't even have a proper demo unit lmao

@@SINfromPL Demo units are often hand-crafted. Brad was brought in to user test before they move to mass production. If they brought him in after they finalized the design, he would have no use being there since they can't really go back on the design. You have to understand that companies smaller than Meta don't have the kinds of resources to spend a shit ton of funding on creating a multiple custom mass-production-ready units at factory quality when prototyping (most of the calibration issues are really really hard to deal with unless units are calibrated with expensive factory equipment saved for mass production). However the timeline does seem very rushed so we'll see if they can hold their end of the deal up with the date they promised consumers.

I am very encouraged by this company being willing to have Brad try out their prototype and rip it to pieces publicly. I was not previously interested in the the VR1, but I'm becoming interested now. And it's because of stuff like this. I've been running a Pimax 8KX for years and recently bought a Crystal and ultimately returned it (after a month of headaches with Pimax support). I have a love/hate relationship with Pimax. They make the most powerful consumer VR gear on the market, but they do not stand behind their products. And I don't mean just their support, but how Pimax operates at every level. Working with Pimax is always a gamble about how things are going to go, and there's pretty much always some level of jury rigging and working-around jank involved. I'm seeing signs that Somnium intends to make something that's kind of like what Pimax does, but with a company behind it that actually cares about supporting their customers and getting them a product that really works without having to go through BS. I am absolutely willing to pay a higher price for that if it means never having to work with Pimax support again. Offer a product that does what Pimax does, but without the jankiness of both the product and company, and I will buy it. Take. My. Money. But then again, Somnium may just turn out to be another Pimax.

@@SargonDragon Very much my thinking as well. I've nearly upgraded from my OG vive many times towards a Pimax, but one look at the mess they seem to be support wise put me off. Varjo seems like it might be a better competitor and worth considering - didn't take long to find quite a bit of detail on their OpenXR support etc, but with Somnium so close to production and Valve no doubt on the horizon too I'm waiting to see who is worthy and which product is most suited my desired uses. Which as I prefer Linux for all things probably pushes towards Valve as they seem all in on Linux support these days. However if your headset supports OpenXR and is open enough in the implementation of everything that I believe I can get it working without 'official' Linux support I'd take the risk if it is better in some other way. Worst case scenario I have to actually use that Windoze license from time to time when I want to do VR, annoying but not the end of the world if the VR experience is better.

Brad's autism is stopping him from enjoying vr but instead hyper focusing on hardware detail. Poor Brad's not even tried praydog or Luke Ross's dozens of mods yet due to his strong autism.

Better to rant about everything in this world where we do something countlessly wrong

Same here 😅

It’s made in Europe, that alone is quite expensive

I just went for a Quest 3 and started the long wait for something like the Deckard. The Somnium to me seems just like an European Pimax, they may claim this or that, but we'll see when it actually releases.

@@rtn6518me too but i would never buy a vive HMD so please dont be sad that i wont take your advice here. quest lifecycle is way to short

Amen on all that. And get foveated rendering and encoding into the mainstream. Annoying how the lowest fruit keeps getting ignored, not everyone has 5090ti money

OLED is not compatible with pancake lens technology, it's just the physics of polarisation. You lose >80% of light in pancakes (each reflection loses 50%, so 75%+material and coating scattering) and OLED won't be bright enough. Even very bright LCD gives 80-100 nits with pancakes, and with OLED you'd have 40 nits as a result. So, you can wait, of course, but it won't happen even in 5 years - TVs manufacturers are only now trying to sell a tech with a quantum dot layer boosting OLED brightness (QD OLED), so if that works commercially it will then take at least 6 years to see that tech in higher density displays. BSB has micro-OLED kind of working with ok brightness, but has lots of other issues as result of high magnification optics since bigger micro-OLED displays are not available.

@@Automan9 and dlss/fsr in all the VR games

@@Fiztex553 the question is, do you need more than OK brightness ? Honestly i feel its overrated. Its bad enough ive got a display stuck to my eyes, i dont want to burn my retinas either. On Quest Pro my baseline is a third of max brightness, and 4/5 when I wanna treat myself or say im flying at night. When im in third of max, my eyes eaaasily adjust and it becomes normal very quickly. Not ideal, but workable. TLDR im willing to sacrifice some brighteness for OLED Pancake

Yeah, me too! I just want a truly better HMD but, with inside-out, MR cameras, controllers (included), and limited to only Valve Lighthouse tech. (Too many Lighthouses died on me already...)

always has been. there was never competition to Meta and never will be.

It doesn't seem like any 'real' companies are competing in the non-Quest pricing space... that is expected to be the next "IT" child.

@@SINfromPL Sooner or later Apple and Google will join the party big time. VR is just a stop gap to achieving AR glasses at some point competing or even replacing smartphones if done right. Why would you wanna use a 5-7" display device if you can have several virtual large screens with depth perception. Pair it with decent UX and people will buy it like hotcakes.

@@GaaraSama1983 once we get to half a day battery time and regular glasses factor then we can start to worry. Not even Apple vision will replace the comfort of a single big 4k monitor. Work in today's headsets is a pure gimmick. And it's not like in 2 years we will get that magical lightweight headset.

@@SINfromPL I agree with that. Realistic timeline will be more like 10-15 years to reach comfortable 4k monitor experience. I also think that for a long time they gonna need to use an external unit to power the glasses. Can't bend physics and if you wanna achieve small glasses I don't see any other realistic solution from my amateurish baseline knowledge. Wouldn't mind a kind of powerbank unit in my pocket connected with one USB-C cable to drive the glasses.

i dont think they really can without massive sacrfices

​@@iamboringvideos6832the sacrifices are worth it though. Most people who've spent a longer time in vr will probably agree. Comfort and usability is just so important. Features come later, if a majority of people can't even spend more than 30min using an hmd. Compromises do have value as well though, and there's a place for many kinds of hmds, depending on the people buying them. Standalone, mixed reality, social vr features, or maximum comfort are things everyone would probably like for their headset, but most headsets that try to do it all, fall short heavily in certain areas.

Oh hey small but deadly Yeah me too

The beyond is a solid step back. It's not small form factor, it's feature gutted. It's like saying a meat pie is small form factor because you removed all the filling and smushed the pastry into a small ball. Technically it's smaller but not really since its just a ball of pastry now.

@@thelelanatorlol3978 It has the features I want. It has a really nice mic, it has a good set of displays, it has some pretty dang nice audio once I plug my IEMs in, and it works with all my existing gear. They stripped back all the features I never use, which makes me immensely happy.

Sometimes less is more. I do not have any VR games that could benefit from eye tracking. I don't need to share my VR headset with anyone. I don't care that there is no passthrough, and that there is still a cable tethering me to my PC. I don't need inside-out tracking when my setup is stationary. I like the Beyond because they cut out all the extra (unnecessary) fat and made a headset that does one thing well, and that comfort for PCVR gaming.

@@rtn6518 Yep, but in the ones where it matters, it's a massive step forward.

Yeah the size really does affect how much I’d use my quest 2. Like a brick on your face and sometimes me and my friends would skip vr sessions on go to flatscreen because it felt like a chore, quest 3 was a huge upgrade for me and I can only imagine the big screen beyond would be crazy

Be more creative, you can't always smush features into tiny spaces, why do you think the HMDs you mentioned are so feature lacking...? The "I" or "most" people don't want that is nonsense... this HMD in particular is now directly competing in the same $1,000 HMD space just like Varjo Aero, Pimax Crystal, Big Screen Beyond, and others...

@@paulct91 be more creative, somnium is a giant headset and does not sport a single new feature, and modules like hand tracking arent even done by them. there is nothing innovative about somnium, and its all from sellers of virtual land for real money in their dead metaverse.

@@paulct91 its just a matter of time

I primarily care about FOV and brightness (with a large dynamic range). These are the two things that pancake headsets especially suck at.

Once you use something like the beyond, it kinda kills even the Q3. That's one of my least favourite things about it. I can't use normal headsets anymore, they feel like cinder blocks.

None of them both wireless and lighthouse tracked unfortunately

Brad's autism is stopping him from enjoying vr but instead hyper focusing on hardware detail. Poor Brad's not even tried praydog or Luke Ross's dozens of mods yet due to his strong autism.

Same, excited to see where we are in a few years.

cant wait for visor to come out

and no software as always

Too bad to read this coming from you. But appreciate this opinion.

@@ArturTechTales lol I was super tired and half awake on the couch, typing this in on my dying smartphone, I just made a stupid comment to give Brad engagement 🤣 I just tried to summarize the video, so sorry about that 😋

@@BOLL7708 No problem :)

I've heard the Bigscreen Beyond has a really good mic

If HMD developers needs feedback from youtubers, then there are two options: 1. they just make high paper specs DESIGNED to lure people who have more money than sense (vr flight sim guy) 2. they actually dont know what they are doing and just riding off hype words like OPEN, MADE IN EU, when in reality 99% of shit is not open sourced, and most parts are made in China anyway. It's just assembled in Europe.

@@SINfromPL "feedback from youtubers" is more marketing than development. That's the role of social media "Influencers". I did get the feeling that the headset isn't on schedule though, due to the lack of strap options. So perhaps it's not too late for them to take criticism on board and fix some issues (at least software issues such as barrel distortion correction). Bradley preempting a "rebuttal" press release would indicate that's not what they intend to do though.

​​@@Joric78 The way corporations treat famous youtubers the only human alive that is reliable is laughable

Compared to other high end headsets it isn't sounding crazy to me. You can spend a great deal more on a headset now and you seem to get generally less potential with perhaps slightly more polish than this prototype apparently had. The world of higher end VR hardware is not cheap, and really the perception it should be is rather more twisted by Meta (etc) pushing hardware out subsidised by their other business and the ability to make enough of them to get lower production cost per unit. And none of the flaws he pointed too seem that challenging to me, I'd probably want to use my own headphones with VR anyway, the headstrap are one of the first things a user is likely to change/modify for more comfort as no matter how adjustable 'one size fits all' is never as comfortable, and the visual issues are likely more calibration than hardware.

@@foldionepapyrus3441 stop shilling. How is somnium any different than htc vive that came out in 2016 with stations and controllers for 800? In 2024, with natural progress in resolution, suddenly we have to spend 2.5x as much for the headset alone? It's not high end at all, stop joking

Mrtv was invited, but couldn't make it on time. Yeah, if he was there, we would have 8 hours worth of videos how awesome this is, especially for pcvr enthusiasts like him who aren't capable of playing anything at all lmao. He is just a giant billboard for vr lenses, straps, travel cases, hp reverb, pimax, and whoever sends him anything for free

And yeah vr flight sim is also just a shill. He hasn't noticed anything wrong with the headset lmao! Also a giant billboard and affiliate program shill. These people always hang out with each other and invite to their channels and stuff. Circlejerk community

"If MRTV where in the room, this would be THE best headset ever created as it stands." no shit! I used to trust his reviews back in the Pimax 5K days but that ship has sailed....

​@@OdyBeRidinhe was never ever trustworthy

MRTV is a laughing stock since before the 'fantastic' HP G2 he used to shill. His deep involvement with Pimax is all the proof anyone needs how trustworthy he is.

Mrtv like Flight guy are just advertisers.

@@SINfromPL Flight Guy was pretty hard on the Beyond regarding Glare. He wasnt shilling IMO

@@OdyBeRidin he was also really bad on quest 3 - he got six units and they all they imaginary issues - he really shat on Meta that they have do improve QC, yet he never shown a single photo or video of such issues. You would think that would be a content for his channel but no, we only got his testimony. Now he is in love with pimax, gets invited to somnium and gets his travel and stuff paid, yet in the comments says he wasn't paid to make video. All these guys are just super lame and have nothing interesting going on, they always interview each other, and immediately block anyone who dares to call bs out. He is already defending somnium. Ugly human.

Who are you...​@@SINfromPL

Why $Cube not found in larger platforms?

Just answer this question. You are blocking all the people who ask you about the coin. I don’t know why!!!

Brad's autism is stopping him from enjoying vr but instead hyper focusing on hardware detail. Poor Brad's not even tried praydog or Luke Ross's dozens of mods yet due to his strong autism.

​@@Billdz184blickity blocked. Why you care about crypto anyways bruh?

I bought $100,000 of their crypto and it dropped to $4,000 in a matter of MONTHS. I try to reach the Somnium team but they keep blocking me. We should sue them for stealing so many MILLIONS of peoples' money and then making this garbage outdated headset that NO ONE wants.

I don't think comfort and formfactor are the most important factors for VR adoption myself - though definitely important the quality of the image, tracking, FOV and framerates are up there, and I'd put all of them ahead of the others in importance. Nobody will want VR that tracks poorly, or has lower frame rates - those will make you feel ill, and the quality of the image and your field of view really matter - if you get a massively better experience on a 2d flat panel for nearly everything as it covers more of your FOV and has much better clarity there isn't much reason to want VR - it is a fun gimmick more than anything else (said as somebody who owns the original Vive and enjoys it still - but not going to use it for anything much beyond flying spaceships and even then the screen is often preferred as you can actually read any text...). So as long as it is not stupidly uncomfortable or bulky... I do think the image quality as reported for the current generations of more high quality headsets is getting close, maybe even there - no point in making them higher resolution than 99% of the human population can actually see, etc and while clarity across the entire FOV isn't ever reported to be that good it has clearly been getting better.

StarVR...? I that bigger?

That would be something someone would have to design themselves in an application. Or an input layer on top of everything else

Possibly, though if a game supports eye-tracking directly you may need to disable the game's support to use a accessibility eye-tracking software with those games or applications.

Not that I know of, yet. They have mounting points and a usb c port on the bottom to facilitate things like the htc Vive facial tracker

That’s kinda always my feelings, unfortunately

If these issues could be corrected, they wouldnt launch it with dogshit demo of a headset. Its not getting fixed.

I was going to buy one of those until I researched the BSB glare issue. For some it is fine and for some it is really bothersome.

Glare depends entirely on how far the lenses are from your eyes. Once I got my gasket dialed in, the glare is almost completely gone.

Actually unlike Pimax they already have a release window I think for February 2024.... I'm still waiting for Pimax's 12K QLED personally to have a release announced...

@@paulct91now at ces they showcased a prototype i think. i will still take a lot of time

Deckard was a Quest app all along, move on

@@SINfromPL Low level bait.

@@xXYannuschXx yup it's a bait, cause it doesnt align with your views. now tell me where did brad predict steamvr 2.0, steam deck oled, or steam link app for quest among his millions lines of code xD

@@SINfromPL Thats not even bait, thats the entire fishing pole.

@@xXYannuschXx no, it's always bait or trolling if someone says something opposite to what you believe, be honest to yourself

fck companies who needs a youtuber LMAO! who the hell do you think brad is. tons of people could give the very same feedback without having a 100k+ channel.

I tried the base version too. The vr visuals were basically the same if that’s what you’re wondering

@@SadlyItsBradleyyou had the problem that far away objects looked different?:)

blablabla, imagine making a demo for youtubers with glarring issues that "can be fixed" but havent been for years. stop shilling.

Thank you for kind words. Of course we will fix all the issues and majority of them will be gone with factory level calibrations and inspections + updated warping with latest tested lenses.

​@@artursychovrather than putting out even more empty promises, maybe tell us how does one develop MR apps for this brick

I doubt that Somnium had any illusions that Brad wasn't going to rip up their prototypes. It's a risky move because the public doesn't understand the concept of prototypes, and they will automatically assume the same problems will be present in production units. Which could happen, but I do get the impression that the whole point was to get that harsh feedback so they'd know what to work on. I think the critical moment will be when they have Brad come a second time, and we see whether Brad is impressed with them having actually fixed the issues he pointed out or not.

It will change for sure 😊

I don’t remember these lines. But I remember during CES 2023, there was a “focus issue” similar to what the line represented to some people in Somnium. But that was fixed in the final model… for some people. I heard there was an optics lottery 🫠

Those lines will not be there after factory calibration / production starts. These are defects coming from imperfect lenses from smaller batches + warping which was done for perfect lenses.

I sure hope you get a chance to test the vr1 after they resolve the issues with the optics. Thank you@@SadlyItsBradley

​@@ArturTechTalesreally couldn't get even one headset right for your big reveal? All you're saying is constant "it's not working yet, but we're working on it!"

​​​​@@SadlyItsBradley I've had my Valve Index HMD replaced twice because of "optics lottery" - from pre-orders. I could not believe it, how different the image looked like, from different HMDs of the same model, received within weeks. Valve's support was top notch, throughout, inside and outside of warranty period, which is why I hope they do release a next-gen VR solution. Trusted and respected.

holy based

That's the same with me. I love the concept of VR and all the potentional use cases. Like in educational content and interactibility. But all the developers are still stuck in the mindset of designing things in 2D. Why the hell are standard tutorials in VR still flat walls of text popping up in front of my face? Give me a 1:1 scale avatar of another person showing me how to play the game instead. Show me a floating version of an item and point out what things do what. Rip off those pieces and hand them to me, then have me reassemble it. Show me a 3D visulization of complex math equations, and let me adjust parameters in real time with floating sliders.

I really love vr tech and seeing the future tech coming and all that jazz I just no longer love my vr tech So when I replaced my main drive and started from scratch I just never bothered setting it back up so even if I have a spur of the moment desire to play vr something I never feel like doing it enough to set it back up

I use VR regularly but kinda only Quest standalone. Like Yeove wrote I love the concept of VR but also think that the potential is not even slightly tackled. I treat it more like a mobile game console at this point cause the real deal needs at least PCVR level of performance to achieve it. You need a decent baseline in visuals but also physics, interaction, creativity, 'thinking' in 3D, ... Even back then when I started with CV1 I had this strange tingle in the back of my head after a few days. Like don't get me wrong the honeymoon phase of VR is one of the strongest core memories of my life but somehow I had this feeling "this is not it, something still lacks". I was like I want more, I want it even better. There is so much potential and I want some geniuses to blew my mind with something I can't even imagine being possible with this technology.

@@Yeove Just the effort required versus the reward (and budget plays into that of course). Think of the time for coding and testing animated tutorials in the game engine versus just writing a text box to pop up. Same reason the smaller teams will use text boxes instead of voice acting. You'll probably have to wait until it can be done cost effectively with automated (AI) tools.

Thank you. I can personally guarantee you that we will deliver a high quality device.

​@@ArturTechTalesi can personally confirm that you won't.

​@@SINfromPLNah let him cook

It's for youtubers to make a new video rather than covering new Quest 3 accessories with affiliate links

@@SINfromPL That got a belly laugh from me.

Varjo Xr4 and somnium vr1. In 3 months Apple vision pro

Nah, dozen youtubers will get it for free and noone will actually purchase it

somnium is bore

I just want a widest fov, HyperVision 240, and "Retina" resolution to really see without seeing the pixels.... I just that.

Beyond can't just switch to aspheric unfortunately. The displays are too small, pancake is a necessity.

@@RidgeXR_2 I get that but what I mean is if they re-did the HMD to accommodate aspheric lenses then how much more weight and bulk would it actually add?

It’s less about the weight, but more about the center of gravity. However I have noticed that aspheric hmds also push out high-grams designs these days too. But trust me when I say, as time goes on, people won’t care much about the grams, but centrifugal force that the hmd pushes on the user

I agree. The further out from your face, the more torque. That's what I mean by bulk. I am curious, how much more bulk would changing an HMD from pancake to aspheric add? If you can, maybe you can ask one of these VR companies at some point?

@@MakubexGB They would have to rebuild the whole headset from the ground up to use LCD, be a whole different formfactor, all of it. They would have had to build a VR1. It would add at least 500g.

I think it depends on the use case, but I value higher PPD in a 100 fov rather than the other way around based on what I’ve seen

The last hope for PCVR is valve with Steam basically being the ecosystem, not sure how fast Valve will bring out a successor though!

I'm enjoying skyrim VR since 2019 it just got ESL support for mods, to me it's the best VR experience to date.

Basically in todays age, I feel optics designs that aren’t trying to improve center of gravity is a problem. And most companies doing aspheric are also trying to do dual-aspheric: which is even more weight away from your face