Incredibly Derrick Colon claims there in no Black Community in the Bronx after the term "black" supposedly has no relevance. #hiphophistory #hiphopculture #blackculture
Really nothing?? Wow, that's because blk am created hip hop. But what's the pioneers and founding fathers names?? I've been looking for it but I can't find any. All I see is Caribbean and PR pioneers, but that can't be right. Ya created hip hop, please help me out, what's the names of the FBA that created hip hop??
@@JoseBXNY😂 No Puerto Rican Pioneers at all…. Herc copied us and Grandmaster Flash was born IN AMERICA! Plus he got “Grandmaster” from FBAs …. How can you be a Pioneer of JUNGLE B MUSIC?
@@cazz1777 they're not hip hop. I had a conversation with Cholly Rock the other day and have him on FB. Cholly was agreeing with everything I was saying, it's was a Jamaican that got his hands on everything hip hop and out it together. DJ Kool Herc, that's why he was crowned as founding father of hip hop. There is no Blk am pioneer, especially not Mario
Puerto Ricans don't see themselves as Black. On their birth certificates it probably says white or Puerto Ricans but not Black. For them Blackness is a costume they can put on whenever they want
@@randee4550 Those afro latin rhythms are Afro cuban, nothing to do with Puerto Ricans 🤣. They have no influence on our music or culture, the influence has always been one way💯. Instrumentation🤔 .... Are you still spewing that we were influenced by latinos because you used latin percussions ridiculousness again😂😂😂😂😂
@randee4550 You ppl have mastered the art of projection, y'all can't name a single Puerto Rican cultural element, influences, early precursors, or transfers into Hip Hop. IT'S A WRAP 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@randee4550 There you go projecting again 🤣. Puerto Ricans assimilated into Spaniard, white, afro cuban, and Black American culture. This is why ya'll have absolutely nothing to show for, because all ya'll do is latch unto other groups and leech. So there's no such thing as any Puerto Rican building block. HILARIOUS 🤣
@randee4550 You said that when you logged on to the livestream, cholly rock was on. Jose, you blew your cover doing that sh!t because we heard your voice. This Hip Hop debate has MENTALLY broke you all the way down, and I'm loving every minute of it TETHER🤭
You can listen to jazz , blues , pop , rock and roll which are all created by blacks and hear traces of hip hop . If you listen to theses others you won’t hear it in their music but they claim they help created it . Everyone wants to lay claim to black American music and we never lay claim to theirs .
@@JoseBXNYblack culture.. All the key elements of hip-hop started in the south. In 1930s black Americans were rapping where is the footage of jamicans and Puerto Ricans rapping in the 1930s ?
@@poloststyles2669 Bronx culture. Not one element was created by blk am, you down south people are desperate to find anything that roots back to the south since being shuten up when ya tried to say ya started hip hop. Ya go as far as lying yet ya never knew what hip hop was until the 80s. Plena music was created in 1900 and it's evidence of Rap in Puerto Rico. Rap roots back to west Africa griot traditions, not blk am created. And ya was stripped off of African culture by wyte am until Caribbeans re introduced ya to it. West Africa are direct ancestors of Caribbeans, which is why Puerto Rico adopted the traditions into our culture and plena music, as well as instruments ya used to create blk am genres but that's another story. You're talking about 1930s as if rap roots to that, but it roots back even further. Blk am down south just forget about their African roots due to the wytes that those facts fly over their heads of not get ignored. "All the key elements starts in south" that's false and has been proven a long time ago. All elements are derived into hip hop. We went thru rap, dance roots back to Africa and indigenous culture as well. And again, even in PR we adopted the tradition thru our Bomba music in the 1493. Along with the drums and other instruments. We touched that before blk am did. Graffiti always existed since before cornbread and was already named graffiti by Greeks, that requires a whole other paragraph for the facts, dj turntables can root to whatever at the end of the day, dj Kool Herc was the hip hop DJ that put the culture together. And the music that gets dj'd are being made by instruments that comes from the Caribbeans and wyte culture (European, Ireland ect.) All derived into blk am music genres that was derived into hip hop by Kool Herc. As for the style and slang, growing up together it's only common sense that we had influence on each other as a diverse community till this day. So no, not 1 element was blk am created nor did it come from the south.
@@poloststyles2669 the Bronx created hip hop. There is no blk am pioneer/founding father of hip hop unless it would have been that person to get crowned as founding father rather than Kool Her.
"So influence means creation?? Just wanna know. And in that case, who was it that created hip hop then??" ---@@JoseBXNY The musical foundation of hip-hop is Funk, Soul, Jazz, and Disco. There is no Salsa, Bomba, Merengue, of som e bullshit knockoff Latin Breakdown in Hip-hop. Who created mufongo?
No disrespect....this Colon guy needs to sit down and be a student. He continues to try to tear down who we have always been. You and your family, Colon, just got here, have a seat and watch us do what we do. wWe've been doing hip hop before it was formally known as hip hop. Mariachi is your lane, stay in it.
@@bangswift More people that lived the era and were actual pioneers contradicts his bullshit. And then there's a thing called common sense that prevails no matter where a person is from.
Dr. Colon obviously your documentary is so ridiculous all you talked bout latino started this but, they y'all haven't like hanging round morans and didn't like our music.
That’s facts these dudes are racist as shit and somebody needs to holla at Herc for him to speak up and but all this bullshit to bed after all the Black community has done for all these Ungreatful anti Black ass holes!
Spirituals, Ragtime, Jazz, Country, Gospel, Bluegrass, Folk, Rock n Roll, Doo-Wop, Soul, Funk, Disco, Punk, House and of course Rap and Hip Hop---all enjoy well documented African American roots coupled with undeniable Black American influence---whether directly or indirectly.. Latinos -- Puerto Ricans particularly -- please explain how you co-created or co-invented yet another installment in the legacy of Black Musical expression known as Rap and Hip Hop, yet didn't co-create or co-invent any of the elements or ingredients of the 14 or so African American music forms that preceeded it? Or why you were nowhere to be found and absent during the creative and inventive foundation outlining the forms of African American musical expression, brilliance and greatness throughout, or even prior to the previous 14 or so African American music forms that are mentioned above? Yet then, all of a sudden--and out of nowhere, lying latinos and jamaicans slither along and falsely claim latinos and/or puerto ricans and jamaicans co-created and co-invented Rap and Hip Hop 50/50 half n half (which is the evidence-free and utter nonsense being peddled by Dr. Derrick Colon, radical latino, Fat Joe and numerous other un-informed and envious latinos---which are claims that latinos never mentioned, verbalized or asserted during its inception in the early 1970's)---latinos claims of "50/50--half & half co-creation and co-invention just don't add up---it makes no sense and are increasingly coming under heavy scrutiny which is leading to these claims being easily debunked--widespread. Nice try though latinos, puerto ricans and jamaicans. Make it make sense Latinos
Puerto Rican isn’t a race. So whatever hell are they talking. People don’t know the difference between race and nationality. How can black people be racist to pr’s when they aren’t even a race.
You don't have to explain Anything family. They fight day and night to uphold a Myth. Then we fight day and night to uphold the Truth, period. No love is lost unless they want it to be. Feel me. This ain't about hate, black folk have No reason to dislike these people. The facts are in the musical samples. How much of Hip hop is sampled from Latin music? How much of hip-hop is sampled from Caribbean music? And how much of hip hop is sampled from Soul, gospel, funk, Jazz, Blues, Rock& Roll, R&B, Pop, Disco, and any intersection of these musical genre? They are on something, for whatever reason.
yes sir, the samples is an excellent point which can be well documented. If I get to it I will say more about that in a future video. Appreciate your comment!
@@AKiEM. to be a pioneer is to be the first which this hip hop is FBA now if you come from a different culture you CANNOT BE A PIONEER for that culture
I saw a video of fat Joe back in the 80s the only Latin guy there,so he is part of the culture.But on the video he had black hair tho!!!..No blond hair G…😂😂😂
I think your generalizing a little too much. Colon told him not to call himself Spanish because that's the absolute truth. It's not about telling another man what to call himself it's about knowing the correct terms to use when referring to us. I think certain black people come into these conversations as if they been in those times or knew about certain topics personally. We tend to forget that the details in history are allot more complicated. regardless of what some of these old heads say, there's was hardly anything documented so no one can say for sure how things happened. Some black people just follow suit like: He's black, I'm black so I'm obviously gonna go by what he says. And any black person that speaks to the contrary is a liar, which is just wild to me. Some of these black people need a reality check when it comes to speaking on Hispanic people specifically puerto Ricans. Most of yall know very little about us and our culture to even speaking on it.
@@AKiEM. you do know the difference between a language and a place do you? You do know the diffetence between a actual Spaniard and mixed colonized people? I swear some of yall are dumber than a bucket of shrimp.
Hip hop NYC culture. Blacks from Crenshaw to mali to zimbabwe to Congo to Atlanta to Chicago had no clue on hip hop birth till nyc shared it hip hop NYC culture domimlnican Puerto Rican Cubans only NYC blacks created hip hop
Complete bullshit you New Yorkers don’t travel and it shows what do you think blacks in the south and Midwest were doing sitting in the house you need to leave New York black around the country was getting busy
Colon ain't Anti Black just a little ignorant and a Proud Latin nothing wrong with that 💯 Hip Hop started in NYC regardless of what other regions say 👌🏾
LEARN YOUR HISTORY it was started in the south and spreader everywhere, including the bronx....everybody over 60 know that the pjuerto ricans copied everything that black people did
Tariq nasheed speaking on hip hop is obsurd loo he not from NYC he not 48 to 59 he was not there lol. Following him is. Total embarrassment. He did homework he gets F
@@anybodycangetit-e1s research nonsense he a non new Yorker a guy not old enuff for birth of hip hop telling documentary is obsurd. Only dummy believe that it's worth less . Buddy NYC radio out hip hop on map. Hip hop is NYC attitude
Barry Gordy had the correct analysis he successfully marketed music made by blacks worldwide and he sent his artists to charm school. Jazzmen did the samething the left no doubt who created that music. The world not just blacks love. FBA HIP HOP need to do the samething market the culture and let it be known where it came from which is Foundational Black Americans. Music is a business. Jamacians didnt immigrate here with no Hip Hop , Funky Music, The Dress Style, The Urban Slang nor Rythmn Talking thats Ebonics not Patios-Patwa--- they pick up on it the samway Elvis picked up on Rock n Roll Elvis attended sanctified meetings at Black Churches , and took that blk style to White Teenagers, he admitted it. Thats how Jamacians & Puerto Ricans picked on Blk style & music through FBAs....... Theyre intentionally confusing participation with creation. The Bee Gees picked up on Disco and John Travolta picked up on Soul Train style dances
Listen Dr. Colon keeps getting a pass by folks because people keep trying to treat him with kid gloves. Just deal with the man like you would any other rxcist!
Exactly how you gonna tell a man what to call himself ? By the way I don't understand their need to involve the whole Hispanic diaspora when he should just be speaking on what he reps which is porto Ricans and only porto rekans had the opportunity to be the ONLY Spanish speaking race who were Americans just like the blacks to be present at that particular time the evolution of hip-hop?
Love all my ppl.. black n brown and tan. Shout out to all the black americans for bringing flavor to basically everything they touch. Shout out to all my puerto ricans that mixed our flavors into the culture 🇵🇷.
There's no Black/Brown /Tan Coalitions" And Puerto Ricans had very little flavors to mix into Foundational Black American Culture" Respectfully as FBA" Is 100% Hip HOP Culture"
Y'all can keep that we good let cuz enjoy our creations and stop that fake black and brown crap I'm from the Bronx Hispanics were racist asf only some the dark ones came around us
But isnt hip hop a race?? It's blk right?? Yeah, the pioneers and founding fathers are blk, i just cant find their names to confirm it. But im sure one of you blk Americans can name one, go ahead ya name them. Lets prove our point
@@idiotu668 from 73-80s during hip-hop development into a culture that will be spread worldwide you mean to tell me that there is not 1 PR pioneer??? Lol
