This Is BAD, AMD Basically Lies About CPU Performance: June Q&A [Part 2]

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This Is BAD, AMD Basically Lies About CPU Performance: June Q&A [Part 2]
Video Index
00:00 - Welcome to Hardware Unboxed
00:22 - Ad Spot
01:27 - Can AMD be trusted after their cherry picking keynote testing?
07:04 - Should AMD 800 series boards be using USB4?
11:45 - Will next-gen Intel GPUs flop?
13:30 - Are the new Zen 3 Ryzen 5000 CPUs worth the upgrade?
15:01 - Zen 5 pricing predictions?
17:38 - Will NVIDIA abandon gaming?
20:45 - Our thoughts on getting rid of A620?
22:36 - Is there anything useful enabled by PCIe 5.0?
24:34 - Why can’t board vendors offer NVME drive connectivity?
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@juhotuho10 16 дней назад

Never trust first party benchmarks, always wait for independent testing for accurate data

@Soddus. 16 дней назад

just wait for gamers nexus or hardware unboxed's review

@defeqel6537 16 дней назад

The sad thing is AMD used to be pretty good with their numbers, but seems to have gone standard corporate now

@Eleganttf2 16 дней назад

The problem is people always saw AMD as the "good guy" company when every company's goal is to make money this needs a mindset change

@TOM7952 16 дней назад

I can't believe anyone would take marketing slides as fact but I guess some do.

@yuvanraj2271 16 дней назад

@@potatorigs2155 Not lie? Fanboy moment.

@peternicol3439 16 дней назад

The more you Post, the more you Save.

@Tautolonaut 16 дней назад

The more you Steve.

@IstyManame 16 дней назад

what does that mean

@Ex14 16 дней назад

Save to the watch later playlist 😂

@sinom 16 дней назад

@@IstyManame It's a meme. Nvidia at one point had the slogan "The more you Buy the more you Save" which also makes absolutely no sense. This is a spin on that joke

@alainbenito24 16 дней назад

I know this to be true

@auritro3903 16 дней назад

Intel: Changes naming scheme to be horrible. AMD: That's a great idea! Intel: Overprices their products when there is no competition. AMD: That's a great idea! Intel: Misrepresents their benchmarks. AMD: That's a great idea! AMD, you don't have to best Intel in literally EVERYTHING 🤦‍♂

@thetheoryguy5544 16 дней назад

AMD does it 10 fold!

@merlingt1 16 дней назад

AMD fanboys like you are amusing. Even when AMD is shit, it must be Intel’s fault.

@jellygoo 16 дней назад

@@merlingt1 If your take is that he is an AMD fanboy from that then that says way more about your impartiality than his.

@trc7343 16 дней назад

@@merlingt1"AMD fanboys like you are amusing. Even when AMD is shit, it must be Intel’s fault." lol what

@remo7846 16 дней назад

@@jellygoo yeah lol "Intel: Overprices their products when there is no competition. AMD: That's a great idea!" that alone should tell you he hates AMD. best or on par p/p = overpriced... and thats not even mentioning the fact amd doesnt use an unreasonable amount of power to gain a slight/petty advantage in preformance

@zigziar 16 дней назад

The more you buy, the worse they get.

@zxbc1 16 дней назад

40 years of ultra capitalism produced docile consumerist populations that will bend to any shape for the sake of corporate profit. It will get much worse, too, just wait.

@zxbc1 16 дней назад

40 years of consumerist culture gets us the docile obedient populations that bend to any shape for the sake of corporate profit. It can only get much worse.

@TheReferrer72 15 дней назад

I blame Covid

@hl993_ 15 дней назад

They'll eventually become what intel was some years ago

@telefonbarmann4514 14 дней назад

The good ol' duopoli dance

@TheBenMillard 16 дней назад

Computex is the leading platform for tech companies to crowd-test the lies they plan to tell us next.

@MrSamadolfo 15 дней назад

😊 its all a big shell game full of FOMO and COPING 🐢

@georgehubbs1747 14 дней назад

Most underrated comment I've seen in a while.

@Soapy_Papoose 16 дней назад

Corporate marketing lied?! My oh my!! How can I trust a corporation again?! 🤦‍♂️ Never trust any marketing, ever, for anything.

@kevinerbs2778 16 дней назад

Like Nvidia's 4 times performance increase for RTX 4,000 series from 3,000 series. lol

@mycosys 16 дней назад

Seeing an ad makes me actively not want to buy the product. They are the most dangerous thing on the net for most people, and at minimum mislead by omission. I will look for product info when i need it.

@jeanytpremium 16 дней назад

but Intel and AMD fanboys can't see that

@ofon2000 16 дней назад

@@jeanytpremium I think you're forgetting about Nvidia fanboys too

@lldjslim 16 дней назад

AMD always selling snake 🐍 oil 🛢

@exscape 16 дней назад

Well, that sucks. I've felt that AMD is usually fairly honest with their marketing numbers (as HUB also mentions in this clip), but using a RX6600 for CPU benchmarking is so deceptive that it's just plain lying.

@ningensan8198 16 дней назад

Yeah no no company is worth trusting

@exscape 16 дней назад

@@ningensan8198 I'm absolutely not suggesting you trust the numbers 100% -- always wait for reviews. But AMD numbers have typically been fairly close to 3rd party numbers, not off by 40%.

@CCaribou 16 дней назад

@@exscapeyea I dunno. late 90s early 00s AMD marketing was shady as hell.

@singular9 16 дней назад

@@CCaribou source?

@JustSomeDinosaurPerson 16 дней назад

@@singular9 Uh....fucking bulldozer? The whole fake 8 core fiasco??? Which they consistently argued because "hurr durr, well technically it is 8 cores!" despite them actually being core-pairs in any sort of meaningful workload????

@100500daniel 16 дней назад

Snake oil marketing from both Intel and AMD 😂

@TheVirtualArena24 16 дней назад

Can you explain the snake oil context?

@guilhermedecarvalhofernand1629 16 дней назад

@@TheVirtualArena24A while back some marketing stuff from Intel was literally saying to not trust AMD CPU's, because according to them their products are like snake oil and you should buy Intel.

@ChiekoGamers 16 дней назад

Wow, Captain Obvious discovers Capitalism!!

@alastor8091 16 дней назад

Grow up, kid.

@dighawaii1 16 дней назад

@@ChiekoGamers "capitalism" does not equate to "cheating/lying". I gather you're conjuring up all the times companies have lied/cheated, but it's not baked-in, as you would want people to believe.

@StingyGeek 16 дней назад

It really feels like the IT industry is so anti-consumer and unethical across the board that we would be screwed without competent 3rd party reviewers. AMD had no need to talk about the 5900xt 16 core chip in terms of gaming. It's a workstation/productivity CPU. So they look unethical for what? Just dumb.

@blue-pi2kt 16 дней назад

No industry is pro-consumer - no business with a well differentiated product that you want is in favour of giving you a good deal. It's merely a determination of what makes them the most money.

@creativityfails1 16 дней назад

The definition of corporation is anti-consumer and anti-competition. Unfortunately tech is an industry that requires the resources of corporations at its core and it's not heavily regulated like energy or materials.

@ramair325 16 дней назад

its not just tech its the whole world we live in...

@spekenbonen72 15 дней назад

Welcome to the world where stakeholders are allowed to sue companies if they don't increase their profit enough. It is the law....

@StingyGeek 15 дней назад

@@spekenbonen72 you're kidding. What a short term view of profitability.

@p_mouse8676 16 дней назад

What is it lately that across the board, many companies are so extremely desperate in their marketing? Sure you want to make sales, that has been something going on for centuries. But it feels that in recent years this has become worse and worse. Not just in the world of computers.

@zxbc1 16 дней назад

Because it works. Lying works. Nvidia lied its way to the top, so other companies follow. But this isn't new. Companies can do this and get away with it, because consumers are overall dumb and docile. This is what 40 years of ultra capitalist consumerist culture produced.

@OfSheikah 16 дней назад

i feel you when also looking at the automotive industry

@FuncleChuck 16 дней назад

“Lately” This has always, universally, for all time, been true. Maybe you’re just noticing?

@BeefIngot 16 дней назад

They refuse to innovate and are in an industry where no innovation happens so all they have is marketing to differentiate. How about yall give me a board with 10gbe and ecc support? Give some actual value adds that dont even cost you much extra. Nope, heres exactly the same thing as our competitors with the same bad software you dont want....

@Sage-514 16 дней назад

I think the pandemic showed a lot of industries that they could get away with scalping because people will pay. Welcome to late stage capitalism, the great race to the bottom

@emanggitulah4319 16 дней назад

Never trust a performance chart, that you haven't faked yourself 😂

@TheKingThEmperor 16 дней назад

watching 2 professionals struggle with all the chipsets and model naming schemes says enough, now think how us cosumers feel. its a complete fucking joke and both red and blue are to blame

@mattBLACKpunk 16 дней назад

Wow, those slides were some next level bs

@Blackbind01 16 дней назад

The more they post The more we save

@ShowsOn 16 дней назад

I hope you test the 5900XT even if simply to debunk AMD's benchmarks. I'm curious if it is as power efficient as the 5950X.

@Martin-wj6um 16 дней назад

no, its a same lower binned chip

@piyapolphetmunee3879 16 дней назад

The name is so misleading as it suggests a faster variant of the 12-core 5900x. It should have just been called 5950 non-x.

@baoquoc3710 16 дней назад

Literally I knew AMD simply wanted to have a new name to cook up the years old socket

@funbucket09 15 дней назад

The should have called it the 5950XT. The *900 SKUs have always been 12 core. How stupid and confusing.

@CoDxMassacre 15 дней назад

_Sees comments and is confused, looks up CPU and specs and feels mislead and angry_

@garwynrosser8907 16 дней назад

AMD/Intel: just let us lie to our shareholders, alright! Most of them have dementia and won't remember anyway

@VoldoronGaming 16 дней назад

They can’t lie to their shareholders. They can be sued for it.

@PixelatedWolf2077 16 дней назад

I don't think the shareholders will remember long enough to sue 😅@@VoldoronGaming

@fajaradi1223 15 дней назад

@@PixelatedWolf2077 Actually, shareholders doesn't care about the product performance or anything. They only care about the revenue and profits. Essentially, go make us more money even if you had to lie to your consumers.

@tmsphere 15 дней назад

They lie to you for their shareholders. Their shareholders don't know what a core even is, they know about line goes up.

@homolupus1 16 дней назад

Calling it now: there will not be next gen GPUs for a while. AI craze consumers are ready to pay 10x for the same GPU die.

@Mark_Williams. 15 дней назад

Dude puts umbrellas down in the background, and then they're magically back up! I suspect some timey whimey shenanigans going on in the edit! Also, super impressed with the audio quality given the strong winds. Is that down to the lapel mics or post-processing in edit filtering it out? Very nice either way.

@sahara8771 16 дней назад

They also used DDR4 for the 13th gen stuff which is a decent perfromance reduction on its own.

@andreasdill4329 16 дней назад

I think the spin for the AMD benchmarks was to have a budget-system, and to show their CPUs will be just fine for a budget GPU. But someone "forgot" to communicate this clearly.

@KontrolStyle 15 дней назад

OR for the suckers who don't care about tech and just buy because it's 1.5% higher LOL

@robind8526 16 дней назад

So, we are done with AI for now. Thank God!

@Hardwareunboxed 16 дней назад

I somehow doubt that.

@robind8526 16 дней назад

@@Hardwareunboxed 😭

@stuartfury3390 16 дней назад

If only real AI was a thing and not this bs they keep slapping those two letters on as a marketing gimmick

@WaterShowsProd 16 дней назад

I'm pretty sure Tim used an A.I. toilet.

@toututu2993 16 дней назад

I always dropped ai on the toilet daily

@shootinputin6332 16 дней назад

re: USB4 - I don't mind losing the lanes because you can do some networking, which gives more options than having to take up lanes + pcie with a NIC for transferring LAN data (at more than the typical 2.5G port). You can do 20-40Gbits between devices.

@philallen1716 16 дней назад

What was the power profile for the intel cpus, may be lower power than the hub testing?

@seanobrien9849 16 дней назад

speaking of toilets, how is the food during your computex trip? Keeping it simple or going adventurous?

@MichaelSmith-fg8xh 16 дней назад

Food is ok/good tasting and safe in Taiwan

@JJW3 16 дней назад

I visit Taiwan about 2-3 times a year, and I love the food. Just use your head and avoid any food stalls/trucks or restaurants that look sketchy or dirty. The only time I remember getting sick while there was when I got a scallion pancake(tong you bing) from a sketchy food truck in a tourist trap(Danshui). A good rule of thumb for eating in Asia is to pick places with lines or full of patrons eating. If its good, then the place is busy and the food will be fresh.

@fajaradi1223 15 дней назад

@@MichaelSmith-fg8xh We mean, some years ago Steve and Tim did some random foods/beverages review during computex. Too bad they didn't do it again this time.

@kingeling 14 дней назад

@@JJW3Literally nothing wrong with food trucks in Taiwan, you're delusional

@JJW3 14 дней назад

@@kingeling I never said ALL food trucks are to be avoided, just those that look sketchy.🙄 I've eaten many times in Taiwan from trucks, market stalls and little shacks on the side of the road.

@keithduthie 16 дней назад

I'm still on an X470 board, and one issue I have is that I've maxed out my PCI lanes. So I'd suggest that it's not that unusual to care about number of available lanes.

@rangersmith4652 16 дней назад

Threadripper in your future?

@sgredsch 16 дней назад

no, slow and overpriced

@AceStrife 16 дней назад

I run a GPU, HBA and sound card along with an NVME SSD. I question if I'm lane bottlenecked.. not really sure how to actually test it.

@Syping 16 дней назад

@@AceStrifein GPU-Z i think your GPU should show as x8 when the HBA took any lanes from the GPU Bottlenecks are a normal thing when things are connected through the chipset, even when they aren't fully utilised but not by much

@jojobetzler3732 16 дней назад

In my opinion the count of PCIe lanes is very important. Some of the cheaper B650E boards can´t even handle more than two NVME SSD, if you care about the lanes of the first PCIe slot.

@WayStedYou 16 дней назад

25:16 somehow the patio umbrellas returned.

@bruenor916 16 дней назад

Yup, a bit strange. It can only be that they filmed the outro before they had finished, no idea why though.

@TigonIII 16 дней назад

Yeah, was just going to comment how that guy in the back broke the magic of video editing.

@randomlolvids1684 15 дней назад

Do you have a picture or website where i can review the entire 12 Game average benchmarklist for CPU you showed for example at 4:30 ?

@thrydwulf 16 дней назад

Posting to support the boys!

@hansdoreen 16 дней назад

I thought AMD was the honest kid.

@funbucket09 15 дней назад

well you thought wrong then didn't you?

@Alwayslifted 12 дней назад

intel 15 investigations for violations of antitrust laws world wide fines 5 tim es, Nvidia 8 investigation into anti trust violations fined 2 times and AMD 1 investigation for antitrust laws no fines..

@vasudevmenon2496 16 дней назад

Mystery Unboxing. 😂 This is better then history's alien stories though

@ScavengerFX 16 дней назад

Nice catch! I had no idea.

@AoABlodhgarm 16 дней назад

I look forward to the comparison video that you guys will be doing in the future on the old vs new boards. I am getting ready to build a new system and holding off until you guys get to dig into it. Thanks for all you guys do.

@johndelabretonne2373 16 дней назад

I think the point they were making in this video about x670 vs x870 is to just go out and get an x670 board now (unless USB4 is something you need) because you'll just be paying more for x870 boards. The same thing goes for X3D; if you live in the US, stop wasting time and just go pickup a 7800X3D for $295 from your nearest Microcenter with $25 off coupon and free RAM; 9000 series X3D parts will probably be nearly twice that price, and they won't come with free RAM either.

@AoABlodhgarm 16 дней назад

@@johndelabretonne2373 My nearest Microcenter (Michigan in case you want to look it up and I am missing something) does not have it at that price. It is still a great deal but it is $320. I just want to see if truly speeds with ram will matter on the newer boards or not. I am just curious and like the amazing work that they put into their deep dives. I wasn't really talking about the money side more about their video's.

@rangersmith4652 16 дней назад

I'm very interested in Zen5 pricing, which will no doubt be announced shortly, and what Zen5 price-to-performance will do to Zen4 pricing.

@funbucket09 15 дней назад

I heard AMD was gonna charge eleventy dollars

@mjc0961 16 дней назад

I'm more worried about lanes being "stolen" by replacing all the PCIe slots with M.2 slots. I don't need that many M.2 slots. Give me back PCIe slots.

@stuartfury3390 16 дней назад

I need that many m.2 slots

@NATIK001 16 дней назад

I definitely need M.2 slots way more than PCIe slots. There should be boards suiting both needs.

@peterwstacey 16 дней назад

If you need lots of M.2 slots, then you can get a $4 adapter. Having them as individual PCIe x4 slots gives extra versatility. I don't mind some boards having lots of M.2 slots instead of PCIe slots, but when all of them go that way, as has happened recently, it limits the PCIe connectivity for e.g. industrial use-cases.

@alexmills1329 16 дней назад

@@NATIK001pcie can be adapted easily to m.2 support or split to support multiple m.2’s on one x4 slot. M.2 does not have the same flexibility.

@nathangamble125 16 дней назад

@@alexmills1329 It is possible to adapt the other way too, just a bit more complicated because the slots don't line up with the normal positions.

@DrekRivers 16 дней назад

userbenchmark gonna be so happy about that news

@mickybaus6848 15 дней назад

Is that against the standard power setup for Intel, or the revised profiles that drops performance significantly?

@TheMrZombified 16 дней назад

I remember when Intel used an aquarium water chiller at Computex and didn't tell anyone.

@funbucket09 15 дней назад

Do you? That is pretty wild man. I wish I remembered things..... *sigh* oh well

@TheMrZombified 14 дней назад

@@funbucket09 Pat Gelsinger, is that you?

@drewnewby 16 дней назад

Wait for next year's coverage! With all the board area taken up with CAMM2, manufacturers go to perpendicular M.2 slots. You haven't seen nothing til you've seen an RGB tipped array of 22110 drives standing proud like skyscrapers.

@aravindpallippara1577 16 дней назад

I need to see this madness

@BoraHorzaGobuchul 15 дней назад

Vertical memory goes flat, flat m2 goes vertical, everything is cyclical

@nightryder21 16 дней назад

Did and run the chip on the lower power power profiles?

@douglasmurphy3266 16 дней назад

What other modes of motherboard connectivity can NVMe utilize? I didn't know there were others aside from going either full external (USB?) or addon board And I assume nothing can match PCIe direct from CPU, can another mode compete with PCIe from chipset?

@GenericJohnDoe 16 дней назад

Kudos to the guy in the background.

@tapioorankiaalto2457 16 дней назад

I wonder if 9600(X) is going to beat or compete with 7800X3D like 7600(X) does with 5800X3D. The fact that Zen 4 & 5 are on the same socket and memory might limit the advantage that 9000-series has to 7000-series. Thoughts?

@26Guenter 16 дней назад

Zen 5 can handle faster memory couple that with the IPC increase, and probably higher sustained boost clocks; I wouldn't be surprised if it gets close to it.

@funbucket09 15 дней назад

Yep I have em. Thoughts that is. Thanks for asking cobber!

@c0d3warrior 16 дней назад

5:30 Exactly, it would've cost them exactly nothing to not show misleading graphs, now I'm left with a foul taste in my mouth. Really weird PR decision...

@techwandoUS 15 дней назад

Totally agree

@MrScott_e 13 дней назад

All that being said, in your graph you show the 7800X3D at the top. Cool! Would you mind sharing the entire build for the 7800x3D? I’m planning to build one and would love to know what went into yours. Thanks

@XykcTepa 16 дней назад

What's with the multiple camera angles, is this the action/suspense version of the Q&A? :)

@FuburLuck 16 дней назад

They packed and lugged along all those cameras on the plane, so dammit, they are going to use them.

@adriankoch964 16 дней назад

Steve? Steeeeeve?!

@Half_Finis 16 дней назад

the 3rd angle got me, 2 is understandable if its the backup cam

@funbucket09 15 дней назад

yes

@joshschmidt8784 15 дней назад

I would assume it's to show off the scenery a bit more 😉

@i_watch_everything 16 дней назад

The more you comment, the more you gain.

@LunaWaves 7 дней назад

that's why we have you guys!

@tscot__ 16 дней назад

The more you Steve, the more you Tim

@sermerlin1 16 дней назад

Jeesus. 13700k is the same price as 7800X3D in my country... How does this make any sense?

@adamtajhassam9188 16 дней назад

theere is 1 big advantage Amd has smoother power transfer . Int4els advantage = simplicity to set up. So my heart is torn which to go with.

@sermerlin1 16 дней назад

@@adamtajhassam9188 care to explain AMDs con a bit more? I understand intels pro you mentioned it's more or less "plug and play". Plop stuff in and it just goes. Due to circumstances I still haven't got to use AMD platform but I may upgrade CPU side at the end of the year waiting to see how the CPUs will stack up overall and the pricing once all launch dust settles. But do go over in more detail what you mean i'm curious.

@PineyJustice 16 дней назад

@@adamtajhassam9188 There is zero difference in setup.

@D00m3dHitm4n 16 дней назад

@@adamtajhassam9188 I'm not sure where you are getting that Intel has a simpler set up than AMD. I just Built a 7800x3d w/RTX 4080 super set up for a friend of mine and everything was plug and play. Zero hassle install for every single part.

@chubbykun 16 дней назад

r7 7800x3d same price as i9 13900k at some point in vietnam here, now it's around 40$ difference im still paying some more for AM5 longevity tho

@benjaminoechsli1941 16 дней назад

_"Basically_ lies" is a good way to put it. It's misleading, certainly. But not quite a lie, as long as people with a 6600 will see that performance. Clearly this was done with the idea that only budget buyers will be picking it up.

@OleBrumHonning 16 дней назад

Any good channel for test of keyboard and mouse for gaming?

@LynchDaddy78 16 дней назад

Ancient wisdom: buyer beware. Use your brain, do your own research, and as someone else said, wait for independent benchmarks. Cheers 🥃

@Enivoke 16 дней назад

Here we go again, more drama ayy! Edit: I enjoy what you’re doing with the video, I wasn’t sarcastic.

@Hardwareunboxed 16 дней назад

Calling out obvious anti-consumer BS... ohh DrAmA!

@SKHYJINX 16 дней назад

Paging Dr.Ama Paging Dr.Ama, you are needed in the ER

@Eleganttf2 16 дней назад

lol calling it "drama" dont be a blind fanboy now

@Gnarfendorf 16 дней назад

Well it is drama, just in the traditional sense and not in the modern "we overexaggerated to get clicks" sense. Its a negative change that could lead to lots of uninformed people making bad purchase decisions due to marketing bs, which afaik was not the modus operandi for AMD in recent times...

@aquapendulum 16 дней назад

It should go without stating explicitly at this point that 1st-party benchmark numbers should be taken with a spoonful of salt.

@Alex-lh9tz 15 дней назад

The lads have unboxed themselves!

@Steven-hq3go 16 дней назад

To be honest, not many people are going to be using a NVIDIA 4090 with a 4090 if running a AMD 5800XT or 5900XT CPU. RX 6700 or 6800 would have been a fairer test setup. I did learn recently you can run a 14900K on DDR4

@TsieLeMoswang 16 дней назад

They really snake oiled this one. Damn

@onlinecheatersexposed8491 16 дней назад

amd could have also tested with intels new bios that should correct the bios power limits.. or is it only 14th gen intel that got the new power limit bios

@kshauryadwivedi 16 дней назад

13th and 14th gen I think

@Angel7black 16 дней назад

Dude no, the gap in performance between 13th gen intel and zen 3 is enormous, even with bios power limits and a 5800X3D. For reference, a 7900X performs similar to a 12700K. And it took vcache to really get the 7800X3D to compete be comparable to 13th/14th gen. It’s just flat out AMD lying. Believe it or not AMD are just as morally bankrupt as Intel and Nvidia, they just dont usually have the luxury of getting away with it usually so theyre forced to tone it down in order to be relevent. The better Ryzen competes with Intel though the more that goes out the window and the last years theyve been competing very well

@cicio7777 16 дней назад

Does anyone know when more details will be confirmed on x870e MB specs? Like max ram speed, pricing, release dates etc etc etc

@randysalsman6992 16 дней назад

If you think that AI is gonna cool off anytime soon you'd better give your head a good shake because it's only gonna get hotter and hotter.

@rayanmalik5744 16 дней назад

Also the comparison they did for 9950X vs 14900k was with DDR5 6000 lol

@Hardwareunboxed 16 дней назад

That shouldn't make much difference, you can certainly make an argument for that type of testing, though we don't do it.

@trixniisama 16 дней назад

Well in this case it is at the disadvantage of AMD.

@rayanmalik5744 16 дней назад

@@trixniisama Nah it's definitely under representing Intel as the 14900K can comfortably do DDR5 7200 (which HUB, as they pointed out, use in their testing) while Zen 5 will probably max out at DDR5 6400.

@rippenzong2455 16 дней назад

here in the us 7kmhz is 2x the cost almost of 6k for like 2 frames. 6k makes sense.

@jojobetzler3732 16 дней назад

@@rayanmalik5744 Intel used the same tricks with the 14900KS. They are claiming more average FPS in some games with 32 GB DDR5 5600 MT/s on PL1/2 253W vs the 7950X with 32 GB DDR 5200 MT/s at High Performance. In the test of the 13900K they´ve tested the own CPU with DDR5 against the 5950X with DDR4. In both tests they´re using the wrong AMD chip with questionable RAM.

@owlmostdead9492 16 дней назад

Jesus Christ, give us already at least 40 PCIe lanes on the CPU. People be putting 4x nvme slots, USB4 and multi Gbit LAN on mainboards while still giving us 24 lanes of which 4 are going to the chipset.

@haukionkannel 15 дней назад

Buy threathripper! Customer motherboards will newer get that kind of io. Most likely it will go down from what we have now.

@weirdodude1173 16 дней назад

I'm planning on getting a 9600X as soon as I can, and I did buy a B650 motherboard for it with CL30 DDR5-6000. I think it's going to perform well with that since the memory bits in the processor haven't changed much, but it will be interesting to see if something like a 7400 speed does provide a tangible increase (some have suggested it). Thumbs up!

@ecu4321 16 дней назад

im looking forward for more of the "new camera shot" transition scenes

@Collin_J 16 дней назад

There must've been something exciting happening behind the camera because they kept making eye contact with the same spots

@funbucket09 15 дней назад

@@Collin_J or maybe they didn't know that old mate cameraman was going to switch to the other camera at that moment, and were simply looking at the first camera.

@lasvista2tech 16 дней назад

time for nvidia to sell consumer cpus

@stuartfury3390 16 дней назад

Why would they and why would you want that

@TheCrazyCanuck420 16 дней назад

@@stuartfury3390 They already build them for servers, it's coming to consumers eventually.

@stuartfury3390 16 дней назад

@@TheCrazyCanuck420 That silicone is worth far more in servers. Unless there's a lot of left over or "bad" silicone they can repackage to us plebs. But if that were the case why aren't they already doing it? They could cancel their entire gaming line of GPU's right now and their valuation would barely blip.

@DerIchBinDa 16 дней назад

@@TheCrazyCanuck420 Designing a high-speed CPU for desktop is very different like a rather low clocked server CPU. There is a reason why there so few companies ever developed CPUs that are high clocked AND have a high IPC. One of both is much easier but not both.

@haukionkannel 15 дней назад

They do allready do it may become bigger if ARM based cpus comes more popular

@Bender24k 16 дней назад

Consumer Protection Agencies should step in here and fine them for misleading adverts.

@funbucket09 15 дней назад

no they shouldn't because these are industry slides shown at a trade show. It isn't AMDs fault that people shared them with the general public. They aren't for the general public.

@steamstories1279 16 дней назад

24:35 because people want 90 degrees Celsius SSDs. They want the SSD to be as small as possible so the SSD cannot dissipate heat.

@thedigitallens 15 дней назад

That's disappointing to see AMD now following others of presenting incorrect results.

@rustler08 16 дней назад

Why are we even talking about this? This is what every company does on every release, ever. They find the most extreme gains that aren't considered a true outlier, one that should be removed from the data set, and use it. If you think companies are just happily handing over objective, unbiased data....I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but ignorance ain't one.

@peeetee6012 16 дней назад

The "Lies" are just matter of point of view. We could take HW Unboxed tests and say they are irrelevant because 99% of people will never have RTX 4090. Also, are your results from before or after Intel had to reintroduce power limits because of dying 13th and 14th gen?

@emilypeters8888 10 дней назад

Thanks for posting the details on this. As far as less 870 tha 670, due to usb 4 it would be nice of manufacturers to come up with a way to let you recover lanes to assign time slots with the wiring mechanics in them for more lanes as you turn off things you don’t need or want.

@user-nq2ss6bk3k 11 дней назад

hello what are you thought on the Gigabyte B650 EAGLE AX Motherboard £140.00 in uk or just get the ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2, gaming only thanks

@cubbucca 16 дней назад

5800xt is faster than 13600k when paired with an AM4 motherboard

@potatoes5829 16 дней назад

haha yea

@rangersmith4652 16 дней назад

Yes, but using an LGA1700 board flips the chart.

@auritro3903 16 дней назад

What does that even mean? You literally cannot pair the 5800xt with anything other than an AM4 board.

@grahamw5735 16 дней назад

@@auritro3903 r/whoosh

@thetheoryguy5544 16 дней назад

Cope harder.

@user-wq9mw2xz3j 16 дней назад

The bots now do not have nude pictures. Still bot comments.

@kelownatechkid 16 дней назад

Non-m.2 disks are very common, especially for anyone who is remotely interested in storing more than a couple terabytes...

@B16B0SS 15 дней назад

If AMD said 6600xt on the slide, and not footnotes, it wouldn't be a bad thing. I would argue that the 4090 pairing is the other extreme. Perhaps it makes sense to have a middle ground GPU in the tests. If you are building a gaming computer you are likely getting all the parts in a specific price range rather than 2k on a GPU and 300 on a CPU

@Aquineas 16 дней назад

Sorry AMD, I've bought every generation of Zen and want you to succeed, but this isn't just egg on your face, this is the whole breakfast. What were you thinking?

@noyz2828 16 дней назад

cant wait for linus to never talk about this..

@WaterShowsProd 16 дней назад

Does he still have a channel?

@TheCrazyCanuck420 16 дней назад

He's too busy adding tech bling to his home and broadcasting it to youtube.

@ryanspencer6778 16 дней назад

It'll be a 10 minute rant on the WAN show at most.

@userxyz783 13 дней назад

Don't have to hate Linus...atleast he is entertaining and funny occasionally.

@ewitte12 16 дней назад

The u.2 drive I use is awesome and it was the lowest cost per GB. I wish it were more standard. M.2 is held back due to it being so small and not having much room for NAND

@LordApophis100 16 дней назад

The chipset does nit directly affect possible memory speeds. But AMD may have stricter specifications regarding memory channels with the 800 boards. So you may need Zen 5 on X870 to reach higher frequencies due to signal quality.

@nathangamble125 16 дней назад

True, though high-end overclocking B650E and X670E motherboards should already be good enough.

@chapstickbomber 16 дней назад

Nobody is running 4090 for an AM4 rig that they are just now putting a 5900XT in.

@stuartfury3390 16 дней назад

Why not

@Mirage_Unknown 16 дней назад

i mean i saw a video of someone running a 4090 in a Sempron.. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pEQ8bD8l3b0.html and a 3090 TI in a core 2 quad ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cS7HFnNMHCw.html

@RNG-999 16 дней назад

The reason they used the RTX 4090 as the GPU for benchmarking is because it forces a CPU bottleneck. They are testing the performance of the CPUs, not how many frames the GPU can push. We all know the RTX 4090 is fast. That is why it is used. It shows the most difference between each of the CPU variants because of the forced CPU bottleneck.

@chapstickbomber 16 дней назад

@@RNG-999 but the comparison is academic because nobody is going to run a 4090 with one of these chips, they're just not. That 13th gen is no faster with an entry GPU is a weird flex to say "see it's not super obsolete!" I guess. 5900XT is 5950X so it's not exactly slow, just don't game at 1080 problem solved lol

@thingi 16 дней назад

In fairness to AMD nobody is pairing a 4090 with older platform drop in CPU update. So for most people extracting the last out of AM4 AMD's result are kinda fair as the graphs represent the perf you would get vs's someone with a similar Intel system with the GPU tier YOU have.

@Hardwareunboxed 16 дней назад

haha yeah no they were trying to pull one on you. Also don't assume everyone games the way you do: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-98RR0FVQeqs.html

@Frigobar_Ranamelonico 16 дней назад

Me with a 4090 and a 5800x3D😂

@thingi 16 дней назад

@@Frigobar_Ranamelonico That's a fair pairing because 5800x3D really isn't that much worse than an AM5 pairing. Ryzen 7000 (non x3D was a DUD for it's price).

@Simon-tr9hv 16 дней назад

I used to have 5900x with 3090 before switched back to intel

@Frigobar_Ranamelonico 16 дней назад

@@thingi I'm waiting for a potential upgrade, hope the 9800x3D will deliver a substantial upgrade. Also, right now we don't really have games to really cripple the 5800x3d

@Sidak_studio 16 дней назад

They also used ddr4 3200 for both systems instead of using ddr5 for raptor lake

@MrHav1k 16 дней назад

This is typical from AMD. Sad!! They didn't even give the Intel system proper memory.

@More_Row 16 дней назад

I still prefer them over NVIDIA.

@elirantuil5003 16 дней назад

Terminal fanboy syndrom. Im sorry we cant help you.

@More_Row 16 дней назад

@@elirantuil5003 Never asked for your help.

@aberkae 16 дней назад

But Nvidia doesn't make consuner x86 CPUs. Don't you mean Intel?

@Frigobar_Ranamelonico 16 дней назад

@@More_Rowjoke aside, how could someone be so asinine to prefer the worst product.

@Eleganttf2 16 дней назад

This is the problem with alot of AMD fanboys, most of them only sees AMD as the "good guy" when ALL companies just want your money

@REgamesplayer 16 дней назад

AMD are known liars. I bet you all forgot fiasco which was RX 7900 XT/X launch?

@Benman2785 16 дней назад

so are Intel and Nvida... but those 2 double screw their customers xD

@lhv2k 16 дней назад

@@Benman2785lol AMD fanboys logic, always loud mouth criticize Intel and Nvidia, but when AMD did the same it's somehow justified because Intel/Nvidia also did it, double standard hypocrite

@FrankG666 16 дней назад

@@Benman2785 >>First it will fu_k you up, then it will set you free.

@davethefoxmage5797 14 дней назад

This may be a dumb question (I don't know as much about the lower-level hardware side as I'd like), but is it possible to create a "pass-thru" type GPU device specifically for benchmarkng? Basically the moment the CPU passes it data, it immediately responds "I'm done - send me more!" If something like that is possible, it could completely eliminate GPU from being a factor in CPU benchmarks. On the other side, if you could pre-work all the CPU side for, say, 5 minutes of your benchmark and just keep the raw data that gets sent to the the GPU, you could do the same for GPU testing. Just stream the data straight to the GPU as fast as it can handle, since the CPU doesn't need to process physics or other calculations beyond cramming the data into the pipeline. Again, this all may be completely impossible - just some thoughts from the programmer side, since we often use dummy code or test-functions to remove extra factors when benchmarking a specific piece of a program. :-)

@bogdanmarian3786 14 дней назад

So basically if Hardware Unboxed exposes bad/anti-consumer practices from nvidia or intel, it's totally fine, but if they pick on amd, people start getting irritated. None of these corporations care about their costumers, and their end goal is to make more money from ignorance and misrepresentation. Thank you guys for always addressing and calling out these kind of practices, no matter the brand.

@looncraz 16 дней назад

Using an RX6600 doesn't equate to lying - especially when it's AMD's own footnotes that tell you they did it. AMD has been trying to show more balanced configurations rather than testing a $300 CPU with a $1,500 GPU... a configuration that's not common in the real world. I would say that a 6700XT would probably be a more appropriate choice, though.

@Forthecasuals 16 дней назад

Had to dig deep for that excuse eh? In no world is a 13700K being paired with a 6600, or XT. Not at all a real world scenario.

@looncraz 16 дней назад

@@Forthecasuals Probably not with a 6600, no, more likely to be a 6700XT (or, really, a RTX 3070). Heh, I have a 7950X which blows well past a 13700k... and I have a 6700XT. A 13700k is $330... it wasn't too long ago when an RX 6600 was $300 - now they're at a more appropriate $200 price. Besides, with CPU testing, you want the CPU to show the difference, if any... the GPU may not even matter if you're running 720p or lower in the testing to show the CPU impact.

@Forthecasuals 16 дней назад

@@looncraz Why would you pair a $500 CPU with a mid tier GPU? That doesn't make any sense, at all.

@looncraz 16 дней назад

@@Forthecasuals 13700k is $300.

@Forthecasuals 16 дней назад

@@looncraz you said you have a $7950x which is$500, you then said you have a 6700XT which makes no sense.

@vinniv6806 16 дней назад

AMD -> And More Drama

@UNr34 16 дней назад

Some ssd benchmarks would be nice!

@davidepannone6021 16 дней назад

Can already hear the huffing and puffing while smashing their keyboards of AMD's fanboys in the comments due to the thumbnail lol

@damianabregba7476 16 дней назад

Let me get started :P it's the same real life representative benchmark as matching low tier cpu with high end gpu. And as previous videos shows that scaling is not quite the same with pairing amd/nvidia hardware, so one can argue that other way around also introduce biases that are used in marketing. I think that will suffice, so there you go :P

@christophermullins7163 16 дней назад

I only see you pounding your chest and your keyboard 🤨

@Kneedragon1962 16 дней назад

LOL ~ yeah, I'm one of them. In my defence, I did mention Kevin Bloody Wilson.

@Uki2QT 16 дней назад

We don't care we only care about 3rd party reviews

@alastor8091 16 дней назад

Nobody is mad about the truth, a rip off is a rip off. If anything, AMD fans are mad that their company is trying to fuck them. I dont know how Intel fans exist though.

@AKK5I 16 дней назад

AMD bros not like this, we Nvidia GraphWorks™ now

@christophermullins7163 16 дней назад

Big sad 😭

@redstarr1 12 дней назад

Link to part 1 please

@baguettegamer5313 16 дней назад

23:16 hello my motherboard how did u sneak outta my pc and into the video

@StevoHDA 16 дней назад

built with this mobo for my dad recently, the V2 variant. excellent board. Next step up is the b650e aorus master

@krzysztofpaszkiewicz1274 16 дней назад

These Q&A's would be amazing with other YTubers during computex. I'm thinking the more controversial/misleading topics. Cheers.

@mycosys 16 дней назад

I'm rather interested what the AMD 6600 driver/architectural SNAFU is that makes a much slower last gen AMD CPU faster than a newer/faster intel CPU, that really shouldn't happen.

@WayStedYou 16 дней назад

I think they can give a slightly reduced launch price since they are using cheaper node vs the launch last time