Nice video, just to play devils advocate. The reason why fullclearing is often recommended for lower elo junglers is because they lack the fundamental understanding of the map. So often they end up chasing ganks that werent possible in the first place, where fullclearing can give you guaranteed gold, while you start getting used to the role as a lower elo player. Finding the right play on the map while sacrificing a lot of gold guaranteed gold (fullclearing). Can wage higher risks if the player is less advanced. However I still think the video is great, shows a lot about how flexible the game can be. And you explain it very clearly
@@qolinb679 You are totally right, for low elo fullclearing will be the consistent way to climb but yeah at some point it wont be enough. Appreciate the kind words ur goated 🙏💯
Great video lots of things that I want to consider for my gameplay. I'm a fiddle otp and I usually just auto pilot full clear first because my champ doesn't have much damage before 6 and my clear is consistently 3:10 anyways, should I be looking to apply this on heavy clear champs like fiddle karthus as well? For the invade at 22:00, I would never do this invade though, if kled decides to not move for some reason or shen not coming, kled missing abilities, feels like so many things can go wrong, and grubs would be so much more consistent
Karthus can be played aggressive as f. For Fiddle you will rarely see as many oportunities opposed to a champ like karthus or graves because you need lvl 6 to be a champ honestly. Champs like shyvanna and fiddle tend to have more consistent clears but again.. if i see a 1hp dude pushing you can gank on fiddle aswell. I will respond later to the invade 🙏
this is very true on so many levels at my current stuck elo: Emerald. I would say about half the games im playing really demand me to make proactive decisions to win games and carry weak mental/toxic teammates, but also level the negative toxic enemies into the ground!
btw blue gives ability haste not a huge thing but it does give a bit of cd... so yeah just for your info.... red is ofc wayy better for min-maxing clears usually....
@@EasyStreetPoker yeah i was thinking about saying that and i should have its not like ability haste is not doing anything but honestly in comparison to red buff it pretty much is nothing but yes you are right🙏
I feel like in low elo what happens a lot of the time is, you see a free kill / easy gank but then your team mates just refuse to react to the gank and keep farming which in turn makes you waste your time and fall behind. I am D1 on my main but everytime I duo with my plat friend on a smurf that makes me wanna pull my hair out
@@HazeyInsanity If a gank is only successful if your teammates flash cc or shit like that i would not do that in low elo unless its really free and i do not lose anything for it. Its a fine line of not expecting too much of your mates and knowing what you can do on your own. Honestly diamond laners are not any better when it comes to ganks in my experience 😂
@@caozicoaching I dont mean flashing cc I mean actually moving and attacking the enemy when I gank. In diamond they at least try and get the kill with the gank but yeah they are still bad players
How can i explain to my duo and teammates to stop all inning dragon and dying? They can't chill out, they spam ping dragon, walk past their minions, telegraphing the dragon, and it becomes a gamble.
I actually wish I could play like this this. The problem however with a lot of early ganks in my opinion is that you still have to interact with your teammates. Thing is for me the plays are like 80% guaranteed if my mate plays it somewhat okay. But as time has proven people either don‘t react, make it obvious, can’t bait them in , miss everything or just straight up die. Which leads towards falling behind in tempo. Depending on the champ this leads to being invaded on your botside, slower lvl 6, weaker at grubs or future plays. For example not getting anything and loosing some hp on a somewhat guaranteed lvl3 gank due to your teammate miss executing everything. Enemy finishes fullclear on nidalee udyr whatever and starts invading you. Idk maybe am delusional but to me interacting with teamates seems like the biggest risk that can never be calculated. That is why I prefer to fullclear efficiently to get the gold and xp to do plays where I dont need anyone to do anything. Bad thing is jungle alone does not give enough xp gold by default early on allow that. sry if that sounds like a rant but am curious what you think about times where ganks should be free but aint working.
@@caozicoaching I guess It depends on what you mean by low elo. I was gold, almost plat before split end and they stuck me back in iron. Now the games are just unplayable. It doesn't matter if you perma gank or farm and get every objective, unless you can coerce your team, and herd them where they need to be, it's hopeless.
@@mar-c3y I dont have to coerce my team so i cant say thats true for me. I actually dont give a shit what my team especially in low elo does. I just do whats best for me to guarantee a lead and win the game off that.
great video, but usually its not that free, like skarner is a tank, almost nobody plays tank junglers especially in low ranks. people play viego all day or some aggressive strong shit like volibear, see many hecarim, warwick, master yi, khazix, xin, kayn, shaco - i have problems with how to draft against them, cant contest grubs especially when no prio top/mid
Its more pleasant to look at for most people you are the first person i believe to prefer it the other way haha. And it shows my camera panning and the info i have of the map
@@caozicoaching being able to see your camera focus is a nice benefit, that's true. I was just thinking about how when you're trying to highlight wave states or show counter jungling / gank opportunities, you would have to skip around the video a bit to find the right part of the video instead of just panning over there on the replay.
@@kamilkollodi2060 since he is atleast s+ rn i think there is no bad team comp as of right now on this champ or a losing one bit usually a frontline is preferred of course
@@YShidou i used to spam qiyana / sylas back in s11 or 12 but didnt proceed after master since qiyana got fcked so hard with the durability patch back then but i might do one if i find time besides coaching and yt and all the other stuff 🙏
Do you believe in "farming junglers"? I feel like there's pretty much no guaranteed early ganks as say Shyvana. Maybe farming junglers aren't good enough right now, I donno :^D I want to learn.
@@Test-iv4pm yes totally. I do not believe in a farming or ganking playstyle thats just wrong since no game is pre determined and its all about reacting to info on the map but you are right, champs like shyvanna are more leaning towards less ganks and more farming since especially pre 6 shyvannas ganking strength is really weak compared to graves, viego kindred lee nidalee.. u name it. So yes the tendency will be farming for that reason but that of course does not mean you dont ever gank if it looks like a good one. Good question though since many people confuse that sometimes. 🙏
@caozicoaching honestly I've actually got kills ganking on Shyvana before level 6. Like if the enemy is 1hp and pushed up it's basically free you can go behind them and E Q auto them.
@@thestoebz Thats why it was time to show how its done, i also full clear like perry if there are not any options but perrys videos from whst i have seen focus more so on lower elo players. My videos aswell but with the full clear gameplan you will hit diamond at most. Fullclearing isnt a crazy skill and by default that should be a giveaway why that approach will not get you far 🙏
I watch perryjg content on a regular basis, it helped me a lot to become more consistant and climb to plat 4 But right now im so hardstuck in plat and I know the reason, its the fucking full clear When I review my games there are many many times that if I have skipped krugs or gromp i would have got a big big outcome to change the game but since I was stuck to fullclearing that shit didnt happen I bumped into this video last night And im gonna try it as soon as I finish my work and go home =)
@@caozicoaching idk I’m a former GM support, moved to jg this last split and got stuck in Diamond. Watching Perry i went from D3 to Master in one split my second split jungling. Also my comment isn’t saying one way is right or wrong, just interesting how different people see the role and what’s the best
@@thestoebz im not saying perry is wrong with everything he says but people alwayd tell me that perry preaches full clesr mentality and so on.. i cant say. I did not get coached by him nor have i analyzed all of his videos. As far from what i have heard people seem to get the conception that he preaches full clearing and people end up Stuck with that mentality past low elo but again i dont know if he is the king of full clear like some say lmao he isnt a bad player though so i do not discredit him
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