This is how pros get a better "whip" than you. 

Appreciate it 👊

Love to hear it, that's huge

It's crazy to me that there's always something (often something big) to work on, regardless of how long we've been trying to fix our individual forms

If you fix much more with your throw you're going to be touching 5 bills 👀

@@ArmoryDiscGolf that’s the hope

It reminds me of Seppo Paju as well. Looks so simple and clean

form that looks like Ricky isn't a bad place to be 💪

+50 feet, easy. haha

it definitely was for me, hope it helps!

You're welcome and thank you 👊 I still have never actually thrown a disc while bracing my arm... I guess theoretically you should be able to keep your "brace hand" there without actually needing to use it if you stay wide the whole time

@@ArmoryDiscGolf I tried a few throws holding my arm. Worked pretty good! I combined this with dgspindoctors cook the spaghetti drill to keep my arm springy. I was throwing as far and less nose up than my usual stand stills and i didn't even incorporate any weight transfer yet. Thanks so much for posting this!

Funny enough, that's actually how I really discovered this in the first place. Coaching a guy that folds his arm and rounds real bad, showed him the brace as a demo, then realized it was actually pretty helpful for me too haha

Yes, you are onto something with this. I have actually done this exact thing throwing (gently) into a net while retraining myself not to be overly 'loose like a noodle.' It is also a good cue to keep the elbow up and away from the body, a good reminder that the shoulders should actively coil together, and also helps one refrain from reaching too far back on the backswing (or as the video puts it at 4:10, keep the elbow 'outside of the torso.' The equivalent mental cue I developed for this was to let my elbow go no further back than my lead hip). From 1:00 to 1:40, this video describes with embarrassing precision what I went through trying to develop a backhand and being overly literal about keeping the arm '100% loose.' Eventually I figured I must be misunderstanding something and decided just to watch footage of good players' arm mechanics. Eventually I came to understand that keeping the whole arm '100% loose' and flinging it around with the body is hugely counterproductive. The elbow needs to be out and up away from the body, and this requires substantial rigidity in the shoulder and upper arm. It is the forearm that should be loose. Now I see several coaches online discussing this thing exactly the way I worked it out for myself, and it feels like I was a year or so early to the party. I am certain this was already taught and taught properly, I just didn't know where to look or how to hear it. Oh well. Live and learn.

@@ArmoryDiscGolf The camera work from 1:40 to 1:45 was just too brutal and too close to home. I resent this! (But seriously, great video).

@@overfiend75 Ya, I just spent the afternoon teaching two of my friends how to throw (one of them for the very first time), and I had em use this feel cue with some reasonable success. Even had em make a few throws using the opposite arm on their bicep to enforce the angle. The challenge for one of them though is keeping that upper arm structure and firm grip on the disc, while still letting the forearm be loose. They're getting there. The other feel cue I've had some success with, I got from another video. It's this. "throw" your off shoulder toward the target to initiate the coil. This has the side effect of taking the emphasis away from the idea of "reaching back" which helps keep the torso more upright, and not to lean/tilt their weight onto the back foot.

Thanks 👊 The drill where you hold your throwing arm with your non-throwing arm really helped me visualize it 👍

Yeah there are a lot of good resources on what to do, but for whatever reason I could never figure out how to actually accomplish it until fairly recently

@@ArmoryDiscGolf breakthroughs are always great, but sometimes hard to maintain. I find that one week everything will start to click and the next week it's all out the window.

​@weeschwee bro I couldn't agree more. I remember practicing in a field and finally getting that loud snap consistently on release. But I noticed it was causing pain in my shoulder for some reason. Took a week or two off and completely lost it.

Hope it helps you out 👊

Thanks 👊 Yeah Niklas has talked about how he doesn't have a very "big arm". He's doing a few funky things (his brace is also kind of soft), but he does a good consistent whip. I'd take his form in a heartbeat overall

I've done the drills but I haven't thrown full speed with my arm braced. Feels like I'm going to whack myself

The "knock down the door" thing led me to do the same thing. I've had to rework a lot of well intentioned advice over the years haha. Different things click for different people, I suppose

I like that because in theory it keeps the head down and centered longer as well (which I personally need to work on rn)

@@ArmoryDiscGolf Yes, I forgot to mention how much it helps keeping your head in the right place through the throw. I have a scar on my arm that I still use as a visual cue.

haha I highly recommend NOT starting at full speed when implementing new form, fwiw. I found that I started by shanking shots right because I was used to compensating for a collapsed pocket, but after doing this for a few weeks I'm getting much smoother distance and hitting lines more consistently 👍

I'm not sure what you mean by "height of the reach back" The 90° that I'm referring to is between your chest and upper arm, that should remain throughout the reach back, regardless of how much you hinge at the elbow. Is that clarifying at all?

welp, time to start putting the disc on a slight anhyzer in the reach back I guess. haha

@@ArmoryDiscGolf it seems to help get the nose down. I’ve heard different things about that (such as only hold it on the angle you’ll throw it) but also heard people recommend it.

@@garnerthecube my anhyzer shots are typically more nose down than my hyzers, so anecdotally speaking I'd say it checks out

Great question. Like I said, it's an active motion from that position and you don't 'actually' want that "floppy" motion like I demonstrated. But if you drag the disc in a line across your chest and continue forward into the "deep pocket" as far as you can, you'll notice at some point your elbow reaches full extension and the disc has to pivot out and around the elbow ("whipping" around that pivot, as demonstrated). SO- technically your lower arm isn't "loose", but I find it's helpful to think of it that way instead of trying to actively spin the disc forward and around that pivot. Lmk if that makes sense

@@ArmoryDiscGolf oooh ok nice man! If I missed that in the video thanks for breaking it down for me here!

I don't know what your skill level is, but you don't need a super tight grip unless you're actually at that top level of distance where you need all the help you can get to stop the disc from pulling out early. Depending on where you are, a tight grip can hinder you more than help you. But if you're breaking 450, yea, you really need to hold on to that sucker.

EK just dropped a -16 1064 at a tournament we hosted last weekend so I'm strongly inclined to agree that he's doing something right haha

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Good luck! Grab a video and check that power pocket 💪

@@ArmoryDiscGolf I went out to the field to practice this, but muscle memory just got the best of me! I did however have 2-3 throws where it felt very different, and i think i hit the power pocket in ways i never did before. The trials continue tomorrow, i`ll let you know how it works out! As usual, a very informative and interesting video! Really appreciate the content!!

@@Venc1698 try throwing what feels like 75% if you're not already 💪 and thank you

I find field work with putters can help with some of those muscle memory issues. Relax and throw smooth, it's a putter, you're not going full send.

always more to work on 😉

I'm working on a video now on how to grow taller but until I get the kinks on that one worked out I'm going to just keep trying to improve my form 😆

When you discover keeping your thumb down thru the power pocket your gonna see some distance