To explain McCoy's accent, there is an episode of the original series where he, Kirk and Spock are exposed to a disease where they rapidly age. The older McCoy gets the more prominent his southern accent gets until he's basically colonel saunders.
Roddenberry was really bucking the trend with TOS and TNG by depicting a utopian future for humanity. In a time of Mad Max, Escape from New York, The Warriors, Robocop, etc, Gene gave us an alternative where humanity *finally* got their 💩 together. We put on our big boy pants and figured it out.
That is a really good point it was a really big thing back then to have extreme dystopia and even Roddenberry did bring that in with the concept of humanity kind of went straight downhill for a while and then they got their s*** together
I’m glad to see that Dr. Pepper has lasted until the 24th century. Unless that is a 400 year old can of soda. Then that’s a very expensive and likely disgusting can of soda.
@@DashingPunkSamurai as long as the replicator has the recipe it can male anything. Notice how it also creates the cups bowls and plates. It could make a violin or handgun too
Dude, I’m so glad somebody brought up the guy in the skirt! I thought I was going to my grave alone with that. Did you notice how buff dude was, his Cena-size arms? You can imagine the discussion looking over the extras pool - ‘Who are we putting in a skirt to make a point… oh that guy for sure.’
Picard is freaking out about kids because in the normal course of events, Starfleet vessels do not have children on them. The Enterprise is different though, it's the flagship of the fleet & it's primary function is actually diplomatic. As a way of demonstrating that the ship is not a warship, or the vanguard of an invasion, the crew are permitted to have their families live with them on board. It is worth keeping that in mind, it's kinda wild the amount of times Enterprise just leaps into the middle of complete insanity while having 20-30 actual children on the ship !!
I don't think the writers intended it at the time, but looking back at this episode after seeing the whole show, it definitely feels like Q was using reverse psychology on Picard and actually trying to help humanity. It really feels like Q was being intentionally hostile towards Picard for most of the episode so that Picard wouldn't listen to him when he told Picard to blow up the jellyfish alien.
It is wild watching the first dozen or so episodes of TNG and realizing they had NO plan for what these characters roles were on the ship, especially compared to how formulaic the character roles would become in future series. What the heck was Worf, Geordi and Miles even there for? They were completely superfluous! Especially when Wesley stole the helm position! And why wasn't there a chief engineer on the main cast? Why was the councilor on the bridge? Absolutely wild. Also, Miles is the unsung hero of the Federation. Straight up. One of the best characters in the whole franchise.
Apparently orginally there was talk amongst writers and Gene about Wesley being Picard's secret son. But ultimately they decided that made Picard too evil...especially since Picard sent Beverly's husband to his death.
Yes, Gene wrote the whole "Q" plot line and shoehorned it into DC Fontana's Farpoint script to make it a feature length premier (which he didn't want). Then took 50% of the writing credit for himself which didn't go over well with Fontana.
Encounter At Farpoint was initially a double-length episode. It was split into two parts for repeats (I think you guys call these re-runs, but I’m not sure. We call them repeats in my country). From your commentary, it seems you think it was the other was around. The. first time that I watched this episode, I had no idea that was Dr. McCoy.
I recall my parents got into an argument about whether or not that was actually McCoy and neither of them actually believe that it was McCoy they just figured it was an actor pretending to be him. That actor was DeForest Kelly, but yeah. 😂 (the argument was how inappropriate it was to not have the real actor there. He was there, they're both ridiculous.)
i wonder if McCoy showed up to give us an idea of how long after tos this takes place. like, we know it's a good long while, because bones is looking more like dem bones dem bones, but still within the lifetime of the original cast. the originals are still alive and around, and may return some day.
Oh & btw, if you "have the conn", it means you have "the status of being in control of the ship's movements". Normally the captain "has the conn", meaning they direct the helmsman/pilot (Geordi in S1) where to go & how fast to get there.
A huge part of TNG makes so much more sense if you make up the backstory that Riker and Troi are both somewhat con artists who faked their way into their position.
O'Brien went to DS9 to give it some oomph to start out. Worf went over for the same reason--the show was struggling at that time, and it was to get TNG fans more interested and follow it.
I always got the impression it was Data's choice to join Starfleet. They didn't make him do it, he said "I wanna do it" and they said "Cool, sign up here."
I was just starting college. My brothers watched it right away. I distinctly remember the second Q episode from S1 when it aired. Those S1 eps were, in my mind, newer versions of TOS--very Roddenberryish; kinda stiff. I totally panned the show until S4. My brother told me about the Borg and said, "You've got to see this. The show is WAY better than it was in the first year." He was right. Watched Seasons 4-6 when they aired. Got busy getting married during S7, so there are some of those I've still never seen.
You guys do a great job of hinting at future plotlines without actually revealing anything. I've watched Star Trek since the very early 70's (shame since I wasn't alive when they were originally aired) but you are bringing this to a new generation. Thank you.
Miles keeps showing up because apparently Colm Meaney is a really nice guy, and just a pleasure to work with. When they needed a random crewman, many times they would just call him up for the role because they liked him. That’s how he ended up growing into a really important character.
33:15 I think it’s at the cost of pain because all that information from most (or maybe all?) of the electromagnetic spectrum is being fed directly into his brain all at once, and it constantly has to work overtime, not only to process that information into something resembling“sight”, but also to parse insignificant stuff like our brain does effortlessly for our normal eyes. When you see through his visor in a later episode it’s not 100% exactly what he sees because it’s being converted from all kinds of different frequencies into visible light the rest of the crew can see. Any device showing those frequencies, that doesn’t send them directly to the brain will never be able to show our eyes what he truly sees. As for why he can’t numb the pain idk! I’ve got theories that range from “his brain uses part of that pain to interpret certain parts of the information” to “maybe a side effect of treatment causes an effect like double vision for us” to “he wants to appear like a hard-ass to people” lol.
Miles O'Brian is literally just some dude who somehow always ends up getting assigned to work with these like, ridiculously heroic & charismatic people. He's a total NPC but I kinda love him :D "The minstrel boy to war is gone. in the ranks of death ye will find him. His father's sword he hath girded on, with his wild harp slung behind him."
Ahhh love this podcast! I listened to all four seasons over the last month or so and now I don't know what to listen to while I'm doing stuff anymore 😭 This is really cool too, keep it up!
Yeah, the budget for TOS was so horrifically bad they probably couldn't afford the one extra string required to hang the ship model from if they'd done a saucer separation. 😂
I love your podcast and absolutely love your RU-vid shorts from the podcast. I always wished you would do the whole podcast with the show clips. I'm so excited your doing this. Thank you.
I absolutely love the podcast, listen to it is like I’m rewatching the show for the first time. By the way the reason McCoy is acting off with Data is because part of his character is he is distrustful or uncomfortable with technology it’s the reason why he refuses to use the transporter, and in the original series he tends to favour more traditional remedies. It’s also part of his relationship with Spock, he is uncomfortable at times with a Vulcans belief in pure logic and it makes McCoy and Spocks friendship really fun .
This should be interesting to listen to because I'm definitely a more hardcore fan than anyone on this podcast 🤣🤣 btw found this channel via the hilarious YT shorts!
Shit, remember the beginning of the very first movie? Dude transports on board looking like a Disco Stonewall Jackson. You can also hear him doing the southern accent fairly strong in that scene from the motion picture because he was supposed to be "retired" like he'd gone back to live on his farm or some shit. Lol
So I've re-watched this a few times since listening to the podcast. I think that the manual docking was done to showcase Riker's skill to his immediate subordinates to build quick trust with them. It's why there's a lot of smiling reaction shots from the crew once it's completed.
I'm so happy I ran into your shorts of your podcasts! It's been about 2 years since I last watched TNG and you guys poking at some holes and analyzing Star Trek has me rolling Jerry Reed! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Newbie Star Trek what a shame, I would've been much more interested if you had done that instead of these moving lips stills, don't get why it would take that long to simply record the audio & run the episode at the same time but I'd guess that it's a monetization thing but hey I lasted 10mins, good luck
In star trek, there's something of a traditional to have a character from a previous show appear in the pilot of a new one to hand off the torch, so to speak
I kind a can relate to Picard being uncomfortable with kids. He has no idea how to talk to them, should he treat them like adults, should he talk down to them....? He has no idea how to approach them and still represent the authority of a captain. I kind a get that. And he simply wants Riker to handle interaction with kids so he doesn't have to.
How am I over half a year late discovering this? This is my kind of podcast. Edit: I set my fasor to 1987 and it shot out cocaine. How did I never know this was an option before?
Before TOS, Deforest Kelly was most well-known for playing characters on TV Westerns. He was so well-known for his villain roles that there were some early concerns about casting him as Dr. McCoy. Southern accents were common among Western settlers post-Civil War, so it came very naturally to Kelly from his previous work. I'm sure it was almost automatic to go to that accent whenever Bones was old or cranky.
Gene was still pissed about bot getting alot of the ship set built in TOS. So I in the first episode of TNG Picard walks through the whole ship so they had to build the sets and I think the saucer section scene was shoehorned in for similar reasons.
The person walking in the conference room in the intro was there in the original broadcast, always thought that was one of the coolest little details thrown in, and always wondered how they did it as a kid. Lol
It’s also weird how Patrick Stewart is doing a kind of transatlantic accent where he tries to pronounce certain words in a more American way. For example, he introduces Number One as ”William Rikerrr”
This is good stuff. Geordi doesn't get into engineering until later though. Miles has all kinds of re cons...he goes from a low ranking ensign to I think a lt. to a completely non commissioned non enlisting. Just weird...but good show.
32:54 The cure for Geordie would involve genetic augmentstion. The show writers where still unsure how the ban on genetic augments would manifest. So they just applied it sweepingly. No genetic augmentation at all.
I thought he later stated that he'd been offered his sight back several times but declined. I always thought it was because it would involve robot eyes or something. By one of the later movies he gets a contact lenses version of the visor.
So this is an exciting podcast for me, because I grew up watching TNG as a kid. Granted, our family didn't start watching until it caught my parents' notice around Season 3, but even if they had watched it from the get-go, I would have been barely 3 when Encounter at Farpoint premiered. Thank heavens for syndication though, because it allowed me to catch up and watch the entire show. New episodes would air on Thursdays (and I could only watch after I did my timestables), so I watched most of Season 3 and all of Seasons 4-7 new. But after the show ended, it still was on other networks (mainly Space later on) in the 5 pm slot, the perfect show for after school. So gradually, I saw all the episodes (most of them, many times over). By now, I've also seen pretty much all of TOS (give or take an episode or two I think); none of the Animated Series (apart from some clips); all of the movies; only a smattering of DS9 (my parents switched it off maybe a season in, and I started watching it on Netflix but only got a bit into Season 1, since it left Netflix); 99% [if not all] of Voyager (my parents liked that show better for some reason - and we only had 1 TV growing up); All of Enterprise; then only 3 episodes of Discovery, 1 episode of Picard, and nothing else, mostly because I'm too lazy to pirate stuff anymore, and too poor to buy Crave or Paramount + or whatever (plus Discovery and Picard seem pretty mid, from what I've heard/read). I would really like to see Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds though. And I would LOVE to finally see all of DS9, dammit! You also got me through a bunch of the shorts, so, starting at the beginning now.
The Animated Series was surprisingly good for the time! I just watched it last year and it feels a lot like if the Original Series didn't have to worry about trying to accomplish a plot with practical effects.
When TNG came out my mom and I would both watch, her in California, me in Oklahoma. We would talk about it on our bi-weekly phone call. Back then long distance calls cost money. It was very special to me
@@NewbieStarTrek now ido hope you dont mind a star trek fancommenting any inacuracy or clarification as he goes through this podcast lol, if that would bother yall i will restrain myself
This is a great format for a podcast! Love it. Question, do you use AI for the face animations? You must do right otherwise it must take forever to animate
I've caught a few episodes of this podcast and love them, now I'm gonna watch the whole thing from the beginning cause it's so damn good! Also I can't be eating while watching this cause I laugh so much!!!
The explanation for McCoy turninng into Colonel Sanders is simple. He got old and stopped caring. That seems to happen to everyone who makes it past a certain point in life.
Strong disagree about wesley in this episode. Picard completely overreacted on the bridge. Wesley remained on the turbo lift, quietly. He only left when picard invited him on to the bridge, stayed far away from the consoles until picard invited him to have a look. All that happened was an alert came in whilst he was sat in the chair. He had no control over that. If wesley had've been an adult and behaved in that way nobodu would say anything bad. Picard yelling would be unreasonable He also didnt have the attitude of "I know this already why sre you telling me" he was excited to see what picsrd was showing him When he comes out of the holodeck wet he immediately offers to go get a mop to clean up his mess without being prompted He's just a normal aurisic teenager
37:30 There’s a lot of implications that come with a telepathic character, and not just when telling a story. Betazoids value honesty, to a fault sometimes, and that can be a double edged sword. It might help a captain learn enemy secrets or they might discover classified information starfleet doesn’t want known. There’s also the prejudice angle where if you know someone can read your private thoughts you would be angry your privacy was violated, potentially sparking a conflict. In a similar notion, consent can be a big moral issue too for telepathy. With such a powerful ability many individuals might be easily swayed to abuse it. We know Deanna has hers on almost all the time, but maybe because it’s just emotions she senses people give her a pass. Betazoids seems to be aware of many creatures’ emotions, but able to focus onto individuals or block it out. Maybe similar to how hearing works. If so, having thousand of people’s complex thoughts constantly play on a starship might be overwhelming, or at the very least hiding secrets and lying might offend betazoids. Deanna never hesitates to call out people for saying one thing and having conflicting emotions. Even over the smallest issue. L’waxanna is the same way, and she has a superiority complex from it. I think it’s a can of worms any way you slice it tbh with it having potential to be an asset and detriment at the same time. Because of this Betazoids might tend to stick around other telepaths for the most part, or Starfleet might be hesitant of using them.
I mean there is also the thing where betazoids who hear too much, kind of go completely batshit if they can't be secluded enough. to deal with hearing everything all the time. Like the guy with Tin Man.
