When I heard them say, "That's the power of math" and "I like science" I thought it was a joke. I didn't realize it was actually a line from the show...
No,He's Ferociously masturbating to the recent criterion blu ray of Blue Velvet in the other room. You think he wants to hear two elderly men complain about star trek for an hour? Come on,it would kill the mood!
With both "I like science" and "the power of math", I thought "no way that they actually said that word by word like that" and then I was proven wrong immediately
"This is the power of math." "I just discovered my faith.. in myself." "I like science." *six million battlecruisers fight a spaceship the size of a planet, and a sun explodes in the background* Every single science fiction franchise got the Transformers treatment.
Since Star Trek Discovery is cancer. I hope it gets cancelled. The only thing that would make it watchable would be bare breasts and scenes of women in showers.
If Jay could sit in on these, silently frowning, but then halfway through start interjecting with parallels in David Lynch films that help explain what's happening in Star Trek
Holy shit you can take over instead of Kurzmann. This is such a logical explanation to them they would hire you on the spot. My god this show is so dumb.
@@drdarkeny As long you stop playing Mass Effect 3 during the final push in London you'd be fi... Oh, you meant the totally original and not at plagiarised Picard end-boss... In that case you... still play Mass Effect, 'cause it's done better XD
@@drdarkeny It is a really decent game, so as long as you avoid the titanically bad ending that soured a lot of people on the whole game, you'd be fine. The story's got enough gravitas to keep you going, the voice acting's good, ditto the sound design. Honestly, the only thing that I actively dislike are a couple of 'bad dream sequences' (which feel hamfisted or worse - a relic of a dropped part of the script), but they're mercifully short and ignorable... Unlike everything after the final push (after saying your goodbyes with the squad) in London - there let your head canon fill in the blanks ;)
You wouldn't want the current crop of Scifi writers handling this; the genre is overrun with identity politics obsessed hipsters. STD is made for their type.
At this point I would settle for any writer that can write a coherent and plausible story and not just some cheap plot device to connect all the cgi action scenes the director is planning.
@@uphilliceskater Seriously? Currently you have people like Reynolds, Baxter, Chiang, Egan, Hamilton, Bear etc.... writing. SF is doing fine. Just ignore what the press is hyping up.
Spock's verbatim dialogue "I like science" in addition to the line "This is the power of math people!", coupled with Spock talking later on about his "FAITH", has just turned me into a serial killer.
I could honestly see Prof. Farnsworth saying "That's the power of math!" as a footnote to them solving an issue and it sounding more charming than any line in ST:D
this was when social media was covered in “i fucking love science” shit and it was always like the most basic braindead pop science schlock. mike is right, it just makes your skin crawl
in terms of techo-babble, there is a big difference between: "The engines are offline. We need to re-energize the core." and "The cyclo-nano-array has inverted its ionization duplex. We must percolate neutrono matter indexes to incite critical plaxitude on the gerstal emitter."
In what world does shouting the phrase "This is the power of math!" get met with applause instead of a swift and immediate jettison out of the nearest airlock?
Mike incessantly steering the conversation to old Trek is all I'm here for. I'd watch a new series that is just Mike and Rich reviewing every single Star Trek episode.
“Hi, I’m Mike Stoklasa and I also am a recovering Trek fan.” Help group:”Hi Mike.” “I’m so glad you all brought booze, it really helps me sleep afterwards.”
Mike: “Hi, I’m Mike Stoklasa and I also am a recovering Trek fan.” Help group:”Hi Mike.” Mike: "By the way, this reminds me of an episodes of Star Trek The Next Generation where..."
Rewatching this I find it eerie how spot on Rich was about Star Trek Picard. His attitude of "I don't believe them." was in fact totally correct in retrospect.
They don't want the classic fans, but the NuTrek fans that jumped aboard since 2009. They also know hate-watching is the only thing that sustains their shows. They've _said_ this. I've never watched any of the NuTrek shows or movies, so don't do it. Abstain and deny them their smug satisfaction. If a sizeable chunk of the classic fans walked out, I'm pretty sure STD and STP would be canceled. We make this possible.
@@saberiandream316 I'm rather dubious of the claim they admitted to seeking "hate watchers." Star Trek is merely a brand that delivers profits with a mass-market appeal, and Paramount is entirely apathetic about the opinions of Trekkers. We're a minority, and it's extremely unlikely that our opinion has any significant impact on the bottom line one way or the other. If we ever get quality Star Trek again, it will be by mere coincidence.
@@schmal911 I disagree a bit. Not that Trekkies are a minority, but that it's unlikely Trekkies' opinions have any impact on the property. I think if Paramount was completely apathetic about whether Trekkies will stay loyal to the brand there wouldn't still be constant fan"service," there's no actual reason to bring these characters back if you're not going to do anything of note with them OR properly kill them off.
The TNG writers had the humility to have tech consultants filling the blanks. They would use the word “tech” as a placeholder and the tech consultants would insert the CORRECT jargon.
I was a teenager when the original star trek began. I loved it, but all my peers pooh poohed it. It later became popular in reruns. I've watched every episode of every star trek series. I guess I'm alone on very much liking season 2 of Discovery.. I don't like the "wokeness", but it wove new stories for each episode in with continuing story line across the season. Sets and production quality was excellent. I couldn't wait to see what happened next. Think of a space alien seeing it and original series fir the furst time. No comparison. I'm impressed and can excuse a few inconsistencies of science and character. I'm reminded of the E E Doc Smith "Skylark of Valeron" book series. Lots of technical advances move the plots quickly. But it doesn't get bogged down in long explanations or technicality explained. I like Discovery a lot!
See, now that makes sense. I mean, ok... This is science FICTION. But you still have to have the science make sense to make it believable. Yes, it's set in the 23rd, 24th century (depending on which series you're watching), so you can make up a lot of the sciency stuff to make it work with the story. But even the made up stuff needs to be grounded in reality, or it's just not going to make sense. One thing Star Wars has going for it is that it all takes place in "a galaxy far far away". So you can do whatever you want with it (*cough cough* mediclorians *cough cough*). But with Star Trek it's already been established that it's the Milky Way galaxy (or some version there of, depending on which mirror universe episode of which series you're watching). Warp drive (and/or transwarp drive), slipstream, wormholes, impulse speeds, hell even time travel have a basis within the established setting. Now it's an engine that runs on.... mushrooms? Spore drive... Yeah, someone was running on spores when they came up with this shit. Visually it's kindda cool. It does kind of look like a movie. But I'd be more willing to give it another shot if it wasn't Star Trek. I'd be more willing to give it another shot if it was a non-trek show set in a different galaxy or universe. But for me, having grown up with Trek, having some understanding of the basics of the science used in the fiction of Trek I just find it unwatchable.
I think for me it's just a matter of taste. Galactica Reboot became the norm for Sci-Fi after it it. Everything from how the cinematography is handled (dark, minimalistic, a lot of strange angles and open spaces), to how the writing is done. And me? I was kind of alone in really, really not liking Galactica Reboot. Most people loved it. So it makes sense as the template to try to follow. But it also makes sense that for me, every lesser copy of Galactica Reboot that comes out, be it Star Gate Universe to Star Trek Discovery... I'm going to like it less and less. I didn't care for the original, why would I care for the watered down retread? I think its a shame that too much of the talk of Star Trek under Kurtzman has been about fiddly bits that frankly don't matter so much. Like Discovery's ships looking different and far more technologically advanced than a 1960s show. Or things like Spore Drives and what not. I think the bigger problem, and the one that really holds it down? Just the tonal shift from the optimism that Star Trek across its various series always had. From TOS through TAS to TNG, DS9, Voyager, and yes, still Enterprise. To things like what Discovery opened with. With the renown pacifist Vulcan ambassador from TOS's Journey to Babel saying: You gotta shoot Klingons on sight. To things like in Picard, characters giving Picard shit for being wealthy while they have to live in a camper trailer in the desert, impoverished. It's just that sort of slap to the face tonally. From the optimism of say, Captain Archer of Enterprise saying: "We can't be afraid of the wind Travis. Take us ahead, Warp 4", and having this upbeat moment of humanity's growth and potential, to Picard having people say: "... Romulans are our enemy, how dare you not let them be rendered extinct!".
or at the very least theyd add jargon that if you squint hard and sort of blur your vision it would make sense. Theyd add something that at least sounds plausible even if it was nonsense.
Star Trek Into Darkness Kurtzman wrote the line "The cold fusion reaction will render the volcano inert" which should have triggered an immediate restraining order against future sci-fi work.
He’s gonna have a loaded gun on a table between the two of them. They won’t talk about it, they won’t acknowledge it, but it’ll be there in full view... letting us know that at any second this show could cause either one of them to snap, or both
Don't worry, there won't be Season 3. While it was announced, there is nobody willing to finance it. It is stuck in limbo until some Star Trek series turn profit. The first previews of "Picard" were disaster and new director has been brought in, while they are already filming...
@@AlucardsQuest Coming soon lots of other things designed for speculative audiences of people other than those who are fans of it - such as Visionaries & M.A.S.K.
@@AlucardsQuest They have and that Chambon Guy who Wrote some of Picard - who is it's new official Show runner wrote the Visionaries & MASK scripts for the movies in pre-production / development too - which is why I mentioned them.
They do over analyze. They’re absolutely right in that statement. The problem is they don’t need to nitpick and overanalyze to be frustrated with the terrible story of this or picard. It’s surface level bad. Diving deeper just exposes it on a more fundamental level to those who may see this and realize what honest fans want and crave is legitimately good stories. And the main issue there is there isn’t a huge market for that currently, which is why all your favourite major franchises are churning out shit. And remakes are in abundance, studios got fat and lazy. The only option left is to fight with your wallet. Stop bankrolling the shit.
@@L4nd0C4lr1s14n No, I disagree. Part of the fun of this is they analyze it. Yes, on the surface level you have to be a moron not to see all the stupid inconsistencies and have failed science in grade school BADLY. However, it's quite enjoyable to pick the corpse down to the bone. For a SCIENCE fiction show, the writers sure don't give a damn about science. They don't care even a LITTLE bit about getting science right, even on a completely superficial level. They don't care about having a coherent plot, they don't even care about having human beings act like actual human beings. The ONLY thing in the current incarnations of Star Trek (or Star Wars for that matter) are mindless, stupid, action scenes, and the LEAST AMOUNT OF EFFORT POSSIBLE to make an excuse for yet another mindless, stupid, action scene.
@@L4nd0C4lr1s14n I disagree. They don’t overanalyze. If you’re watching something and an event happens that takes you completely out of the show, it’s an issue. They’re just actively watching what is happening in front of them the way humans used to. Most people watch shit like STD (Yep) and are doing random things in the background so they don’t catch how dumb it really is. RLM watches things in a focused manner and when you do that it’s easy to catch dumb shit people say.
All I want is a show that I can't easily see through. It takes me so far out of it when it's written by dozens of people that should have an education relative to mine to draw from... I can't find that these days
Zebatsu aaaacktually, it's 'uninterested'. Disinterested means an objective view, like a judge should be disinterested in a criminal case and weigh up evidence.
@BLAIR M Schirmer For me, the Red Flag was how shoddy and directionsless the CGI was. Lots of blur to hide that some ships weren't modelled in high detail, terrible camera, two different phaser effects within 2 episodes (both bad), no shield effects upon hits. I thought the Battle of the Binary Stars was bad because it was their first space CGI and they had to rush it, but the final battle of the Season 2 was just a trainwreck of awful ideas stitched together . The capital ships were sitting still and not maneuvering at all, not shooting at one another, no classic tactical Star Treky feel and the swarms were awful, AFWUL. I also thought they learned their lessons with Star Trek: Beyond that people hate that kind of crap because it's completely impossible to follow and uninteresting, but apparently no. The final battle was a stinking pile of MESS and indicates that the team behind the CGI of the current and upcoming Star Trek series is FUBAR.
If the new shows weren't so awful, what would we have to laugh over? It's impressive that science fiction was written better in 1960 than it is today, in 2020, when we now have 1/2 the things that were only imagined in 1960.
There is a brilliant screencap somewhere on the internet concerning the difference between something smartly written and something written by dumb people trying to write a smart scene/character. The examples used respectively were No Country For Old Men and the Sherlock Holmes series. In No Country, the antagonist of the story is smart. He checks into a hotel room at the same hotel where the protagonist is staying at, so he can get a layout of the room-- places to hide, possible cover, nooks where certain Macguffins can be stashed, etcetera. He breaks locks with a pneumatic cattle gun. He creates distractions, investigates leads, manipulates people, stalks and hunts... He's a predator on the prowl, and he exhibits clear signs of intellect, however craven. He's also not the only smart character in the movie. The actions these characters take fall in line not only with the movie's internal logic, but also the external logic that a viewer would expect it to abide by (mostly, anyway). In Sherlock Holmes, the antagonist/s would (and do) pull off any and all sorts of off-the-wall chicanery that one might more easily expect of a Marx Brothers skit or Leslie Nielsen flick. Foolish, outlandish Matryoshka doll gambit-upon-gambit escapades to fuel simple criminal wants are easily thwarted by the omniscient titular character, as though he were a magician revealing to the public how a fraud faked a seance. Boom, cut to bad guy being pushed into a squad car and Sherlock flippantly scoffing at the whole thing in disinterest. The alleged genius of any involved are announced through dialogue, regardless of the inanity of the situations or persons presented. The characters only perform actions that move the plot as the plot demands, instead of the story allowing their organic actions to form intrigue and a greater narrative thread. Nothing new has been said, and the puppets are put away till the next show. TL;DR: Smart people will write smartly and it will feel like a natural progression of the characters and story. Dumb people will continue to write smart people as though they were sorcerors twisting reality to their whim, because that's almost exactly how they percieve intelligent people.
Burnham saying “Find that person who seems farthest from you and reach for them, let them guide you” is supposed to be a reference to Spock’s subsequent relationship with Kirk, who is the “farthest from Spock” in temperament. It’s maddening, because it makes no sense in the context of the show. It only makes sense if you know Spock later learns to trust Kirk. And it’s retconning that trust to be caused, in part, by Burnham’s influence. It’s just terrible. Terrible writing, but also terrible in how it’s trying to gain an unearned place in classic Star Trek by crediting Burnham with creating that iconic friendship that didn’t need her.
It also makes all the episodes in which Spock learns to respect/trust/ love Kirk and McCoy less relevant, because he would have followed them anyway. Literally garbage writing.
Yeah this is an infuriating trend in this new generation of prequel shows. Kenobi has a lot of this too, where another character plants a tracker on Leia and lets them think they got away. So it retroactively rewrites the lore to say that Vader didn't come up with the plan, it was this unseen, unknown character who he stole the idea from, and Leia only knew that she was being tracked because she'd gone through this before when she was like 9. It's so obnoxious.
If anything it's worse in reality as not only is it dumb as a brick it also has short term memory problems that prevents it remembering anything it ever said more than 3 episodes in the past.
Nuclear Matt Probably because she grew up REALLY liking Star Trek, and was so excited to be playing a character on a new series, then read the script and basically felt herself wither and die.
Lassi Kinnunen they flirted with science and scientific concepts of their day, but now it seems muuuuch more woo woo. Like, how apparently the moon was a giant egg.
Word, the melodrama is the biggest thing, next to the writing, that ruins discovery. It's not like star strek was ever really scientific. Technology and laws of nature basically follow what the plot requires from episode to episode.
@KentAllard i thought the same thing, nerd and jock movies are fun to watch each in their own right. Drama club movies remind me of soap opera's; pointless, no rules and takes forever to move the plot forward.....basically boring to watch.
A producer is just someone who puts money into the show. I'm sure most stuff has more than 21 producers, but it's often done through a company name. Having each one on the start credits is.....yeah. "My name is on Star Trek!"
@@Edeinawc The thing is nowadays Producers expect to have some input into the shows creation simply because they helped fund it. And some producers threaten to cut funding if they don't, and something something too many cooks something something.
It's so true too...what genuinely cerebral entertainment is there out there any more? I guess a few small studios still make good stuff, but sci-fi and fantasy has been almost completely co-opted by the mainstream it seems like.
Normal people would say “Oh that’s just an exaggeration! Don’t be man-babies!” But they say that because they don’t have investment in the thing that’s getting neutered. I remember when the people who took this over used to make fun of nerd culture, now they turn it into shit they will get bored with and still treat us like crap.
Wow! It turns out that math is useful to solve complex technological and scientific challenges encountered in space exploration. I bet all of those Starfleet officers, having taken many years of study in science and mathematics both at the Academy and as part of the qualifications to even apply, were shocked to see it come in handy.
Reminds me of a Mitchell and Webb skit about writing a medical drama with no knowledge of medicine. “Quickly Nurse bring me the medicine” “No nurse! That’s the wrong medicine, this patient needs the different medicine!”
You're just the kind of doctor who makes people go to sleep, where as I deal with people who have been in the wars in this particular way! Hahaha! Classic skit, well noted!
Old trek science technobable worked because it was at once treated with a reverence and seriousness while paradoxically being a relatively understated element of the drama. Now it's highlighted in neon pink and comes with a high five and a fart sound effect.
I think the old trek technobabble doesn't really even classify as technobabble. They used pretty basic words that would give anybody an idea of what they were trying to convey, and that idea was always conveyed effectively. "We can modulate the deflector dish to send varying frequencies and try to communicate with this alien" is easily understood as "we have found a way to communicate with this alien." It doesn't take much thinking to figure out what all of the technobabble is trying to say. Meanwhile, in Discovery, they just throw a bunch of words together and hope nobody is actually paying attention to it. There's no substance to the technobabble. It exists solely as filler to pad out the writing and make it sound a lot more "high tech" than it needs to be. Classic example of saying a lot without saying anything at all.
JJ Abrams was the same supergenius who made it so everyone in the entire galaxy could see the five planets blown up by starkiller base by looking up... and see them all at the same time.
everything JJ Abrams has ever created is a very poorly written mess. just look at LOST. the show essentially has no story it's just a meandering mess of character moments and scenes. none of it ties into any actual narrative. Westworld is also just a total piece of garbage with a terrible mess of a story. I don't understand why he is so highly regarded as a director and producer
8:14 "Oh god the first episodes they don't like 'em! Pull them out into space, let the Borg return, let Q return!" Rlm predicting season 2 of Picard, outch
It's going to take a lot more time. Season 3 of Discovery is in limbo, because Netflix refused to finance it. Nobody else has taken the bid. Picard is financed by Amazon, and first screening were disaster.
Yeah, it was cool in Breaking Bad, because it worked in context. When Tilly says it, she's surrounded by 23rd Century officers and crew of a starship. None of them should be surprised or impressed that *science* works!
Anyone who says "I like science" or "this is the power of math!" like they are speaking to people who don't value math or science acumen, on a ship full of scientists, engineers and explorers...should be immediately recognized as an imposter who not only doesn't like math or science, but has no business on a starship.
"The Borg's back! Q's back!" Mike throwing out shitty, dumb ideas that hack writers and producers would fall back on due to a complete lack of creativity... ahh. It does the heart good.
Because I think if I met Mike and co. I would like them, I actively do not want them to watch more of this show to spare them the emotional pain. Because I like this content, I want them to continue watching so they can subsequently avoid reviewing while trying to review it.
_”The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy defines the massive producer guild of STD as "a bunch of mindless jerks who'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.”_
17:30 “The theme...is sloppy writing, where the writers introduce something, and then it never pays off. Ever.” Welcome to Bad Robot Writing 101, guys.
Tannen's Mystery Box is such an unintentionally perfect metaphor - a box of surplus merchandise that nobody wanted, slickly repackaged as a novelty by a hustler, that loses value when you look inside.
i like it on LOST and ONCE, the "what is THIS now? thing" but mysteries for the sake of mysteries that answer other mysteries, but not the first one to begin with? not on Trek please.
I feel like we need a supercut of all the "lofty dialogue that's meant for people to cry butterfly tears at." The "never again will you have to fight alone" in this episode is one, and Burnham's stupid "reach for them! They will guide you!" is another. It's the TV/Film dialogue equivalent of a "live, laugh, love" poster.
Modern Star Trek is basically what stupid people think good sci-fi is: pretty lights and futuristic gadgets to make people think something interesting is happening, people spouting random science concepts that sounds cool but pays no consideration to actual the actual science behind them, and sloppy moral and philosophical diatribes/allegories about modern day problems.
@ Never watched the original series and I think TNG is the best iteration. And I think you're mistaking science fiction with science fantasy. Science fiction tries to fit within some realm of scientific plausibility while science fantasy treats science like a magic system that does not need to adhere to any of our modern scientific understanding. Star Trek is science fiction, Star Wars is science fantasy. And good sci-fi CAN have allegories/allusions to modern problems, but what makes them interesting is how such problems might change or stay the same in a futuristic setting, not just a blatant, lazy copy-paste of some contemporary problem.
It's bad enough to have crap writing but to then have the characters get on like 5 year olds saying go science and the power of math is totally retarded.
And made a beloved character into a feeble, annoying old man who gets berated almost every episode and meekly takes it. Good job STP writers. May your souls forever writhe and burn in the unending and tumultuous depths of Writer Limbo.
So like I just finished watching all of Voyager the other day for the first time. A few months ago I watched all of Picard, I didn't realize who Icheb was in Picard until just now. I am devastated.
3:41 It's not the jocks that have taken over science fiction, it's the preps. The smarmy know-it-all rich kids who love themselves some melodrama and pretentious artwork.
Well nerd culture became fashionable, so then a bunch of people who aren't nerds showed up, and they way outnumbered actual nerds, so the creators started catering to this new audience. I'd say Iron Man was probably the beginning of it all, thrusting comic books into the mainstream. Then you had kind of a resurgence of Star Wars, which then both of these got picked up by Disney, which then over saw the hollowing out of the material so as to sell it to the widest audience possible, however this meant that the product was not quality and for some reason people don't seem to understand that art isn't fast food and you shouldn't strive to create the entertainment equivalent of McDonald's.
A character actually says, "I like science"? How embarrassing... Edit: That time traveling A.I. trying to merge with a giant planetoid-like ball in space to wipe out all life in the universe is a couple of the Ultron plot points in recent Marvel comics. How embarrassing...
Goes on to then dribble out all the times it's broken and disregarded. It may very well be the most pretentious, idiotic thing a nerd has ever said. I'm impressed.
if you havent watched, be aware, Enterprise has a slow, rough start, like TNG before it, but it becomes very good.. honestly become one of my favorite... use to be tng but thats below TOS now that i re-watched all of trek.. end to end... ent,ds9(babylon5 rippoff), voyager/tos, tng, the movies...honestly, tng makes me cringe hard often, the "boys will be boys" "men never grow up" etc... androphobic shit
Enterprise is really good, ignore the hate and try it. It's fun watching Captain Archer make it up as he goes along and then in the 3rd season he really becomes the 'captain'. It's great.
"This is the power of math, people!" *And then, everybody clapped.* "You're right about that, ensign." *And then, they fucking high five.* 😶😟😖🤢🤮☠ That made my skin crawl and my entire body cringe.
That's what happens when you have jocks, hipsters, etc, basically anyone but people honestly interested in even a small way in science try to write science fiction.
I just watched at TNG outtakes reel where LaForge and Worf high-five each other behind Picard's back when their names are mentioned That only works as an outtake because it is *so out of character* and stupid for them to do that it becomes funny...
These STD season reviews are great. It's how I'm able to so easily destroy the moronic STD fake star trek Gilmore girl pretend fans, without subjecting myself to the torture of actually having to watch the sad excuse of a show. These Hack Frauds are great. They've died for our sins. They've watch STD so we don't have to.
some of TNG's best episodes had almost no special effects, they were character driven, simple in premis but executed to perfection, aspiring to be '12 angry men' rather than transformers, THAT is Discoverys biggest problem
"I like science" Mister Spock, you're a Vulcan. Your entire species's culture is centered around math, science, and logic. Not only is you uttering that line out loud terrible and cringe-inducing, it's also ridiculous coming from someone who had undoubtedly had science and math drilled into his head throughout his lifetime.
Literally every aspect of most Federation cultures is completely dominated by scientific progress and centered on technological advancement. It is ridiculous and cringe-worthy coming from basically anyone who's ever worked for Starfleet and so is the "power of math" line.
@stevie bops Exactly these are people are highly trained officers they shouldn't be saying that. Unless they have a layman from earth who hasn't join the academy.
Star Trek is about unraveling mysteries and solving moral quandaries with a sci-fi backdrop. Nu-Trek is explosions and drama and expensive CGI with no context or reason.
@@peelsreklaw Walter: "And now, what shall we use to conduct this beautiful current with, hm? What one particular element comes to mind, hm? Hmm?" Jesse: "hmm......WIRE"
Not quite. It's members of a notoriously nepotistic Tribe which is particularly prominent in Hollywood (and includes Abrams, Kurtzman, Lindelhoff, and practically everyone else in charge in ST and SW now) who are absolutely reveling in shitting all over your beloved cultural icon.
Sadly not, instead Rich's idea of a giant robot is far more likely, as they can easily turn that into a "Starship Enterprise Transforming Mech™" toy, to help kick off star trek into star wars levels of rampant consumerism.
It's not even the concept of math or science, it's literally just the *words* math and science. They reduced "math" and "science" to internet memes for an audience of people that doesn't know what they are, but they sure do love them.
Coincidence, I think. Worf was just originally a normal Klingon (Klingons being described as "members of the Federation" in early TNG). The Rozhenkos and Worf's background regarding Khitomer was first defined later on.
@@TimThomason Well yeah, the Klingons became "members" of the Federation when they mined their moon into an asplosion or whatever and the Federation had to save them. But of course they didn't actually join the federation. More like some sort of Economic Alliance, with some special provision allowing the Federation to be able to claim the Klingons are members or whatever.
@@Strawberry92fs Star Trek VI came out during TNG's fifth season, and incorporated backstory developed in TNG, not the other way around. Throughout Season 1 and into Season 2, the Klingons are referred to as "members of the Federation" by Worf, Wesley, and Picard, although in hindsight they must've meant something different than face value. Multiple writers wanted to develop Klingon culture as an exotic warrior race, building on TOS and more especially Star Trek III's portrayal, but having them as another Federation member didn't allow them the storyline possibilities they sought. Heart of Glory in Season 1 was the first crack in Klingon membership, before A Matter of Honor and later Sins of the Father totally annihilated the possibility of the Klingon Empire no longer existing. In-universe, what you say is the truth, just like now we know the Klingons went to War with the Federation in Star Trek: Discovery's era, despite several implications that they never had a full-scale war in previous seasons. Sometimes, we have to work around problematic exchanges in older canon to justify their meaning.
I would like Mike and Rich to do a season by season review of all the old Star Trek seasons. Talk about why they are superior and maybe discuss some of the topics that are brought up in them.
@@va.melnyk While all the Hardcore Trek fans would love an episode by episode review, I dont think most people who watch RLM are hardcore Trek fans and that would be asking too much work for what I would would be too little views. So If they go season by season and discuss the important episodes it might draw in more views and maybe some non fans in the Star Trek verse.
@@SuperDevolution - no, they need to make planes out of the same materials as children's toys, because you will always find one of those singed, but otherwise intact, in the wreckage.
The fact that RLM kept saying "I hope people watched Season 3 so they know what we're talking about" shows how bad this show is. Nobody watches it, the executives at CBS think internet numbers are different than TV numbers, & Alex Kurtzman got caught fudging the numbers by showing 'impressions' which are people hating the show but talking about it. I watch RLM's take on the show, but its not canon and like Ghostbusters will be forgotten as Hollywood purges the deadweight once it actually starts to hurt. I just wish it wouldn't take as long.
@Captain McDog "haha RLM are such good satirists, what a great line, 'this is the power of science' haha...wait what's that ensign sayi-...oh god. Oh god kill me."
Thomas Ollister my favorite sci fi writers are Ursula le Guin, Frank Herbert, and Philip K Dick. The Left Hand of Darkness is a brilliant exploration of gender identity, authoritarian government structures, and anthropology. Dune is the quintessential sci fi novel. It’s a study in ecology, political subterfuge, and a great critique of heroism. If you want to go older, the Foundation books by Asimov break down everything wrong with the Great Man idea of history
Thomas Ollister sci fi might not be right for you then. Foundation beat Lord of the Rings as greatest fantasy series of all time. Dune and Left Hand of Darkness are regarded as the two greatest sci fi novels of all time. Blade Runner and Total Recall are both Philip K Dick stories. Sci fi has always been about exploring the environments and societies we live in. The first science fiction book, Frankenstein, is a feminist work. H G Wells was a major socialist. Gender, for example, is a key element to human society, and it’s fascinating to question and challenge our relationship with it. Exploring race and gender are a big part of the original Star Trek. If those ideas are too much for you, then Michael Bay has sci fi movies called “Transformers” that I think might be more your speed.
Thomas Ollister dude what are you talking about? Is Asimov is too “modern” for you? What about HG Wells? Have you ever read a sci fi novel? Like how can you make a claim like that when Altered Carbon and The Expanse books have gotten multiple seasons of high budget TV in the past few years? Altered Carbon is so “hereto” it features fully nude women in almost every episode, but I guess since not every character is a man it must be too “feminist” for you.
When that character said "this is the power of math people" ....I cringed so hard , I almost collapsed into myself. There's so many stupid moments like that in the show , plus all the in your face , out of place women's empowerment dialog they throw in there..........as the audience , are we supposed to believe this is set in a future universe where high level science and math is known by everyone , specially everyone in star fleet, and equal rights have already been dealt with centuries earlier, but for some reason people are still talking like they are fighting for equal rights and education ? Shows like this and others make me question what writers nowadays think about their audience , who do they think they are writing for and how stupid do they think their audience is . As a Star Trek fan specially TNG , I'd like to think the people who watch this show are already well aware of social issues, so by writing dialog like that, they are preaching to the choir and subsequently pissing them off by treating them like infants and mentally taking them out of the universe. This is what was clever about the writing in TNG , they would deal with these issues and many more in the storylines in much more subtle and believable ways within that universe. They preferred to hold a mirror up to the human audience member by showing our current failures and lack of human evolution through that of the shortcomings of a fictional race of aliens that maybe in a closer intellectually evolved place to what we are now. One of the other things that really bugs me about the show is I have zero emotional attachment to any character on the show , so when they are doing these overly dramatic moments where I am supposed to feel really bad for a character, or when someone is dying, I feel nothing at all, and to me that's usually a good gauge of how involved i've become with a show , which clearly on this show is , not much emotional involvement at all.
Yes, could you imagine how you would feel if LT CMDR Geordie or Beverly Crusher suddenly died on the Enterprise? However, here a BRIDGE crew member died, thr augmented cyber human, and I felt nothing. The single most mistake this series did was focus only on Michael Burnam. Her acting, mouth gapping, surprised Pikachu face got old real fast. Instead they should focus more on other characters. In TNG and beyond they had entire episodes where the focus wasn't on the Captain or the ship but the side characters and their dilemmas. I could name every BRIDGE crew member on TNG, DS9, and Voyager. Here it wasn't until Captain Pike's roll call that we get a name (without rank).
Yeah, it's so out of place. They should never mention race or sex at all. It should be such a non-issue that no one even pays it a second thought. That would be true progressive.
