Thank you for your work. I have seen some of your videos in the past. That’s the cool thing about disc golf. Everyone learns differently. Imo your style is unique but you have done a fantastic job reaching so many people. I appreciate you and all of your efforts! Keep on keeping on! Thanks for the comment!
I love this video! This is my first year throwing right hand backhand . I’ve been stuck around the 300 ft mark consistently. I’ve slowed it down and noticed a lot of key points that Tanner talks about.
@@matthewa8800 the backhand IMO is so much harder to develop than the side arm. It’s definitely a grind but well worth it! Glad this video gave you some validation! Stay consistent and you’ll see growth! Best of luck to you!
Mobility coach just had me do a medicine ball against the wall too. Heavy weight, like 3-8 pounds, thrown slowly to the side will automatically cause your body to snap through the move. Once you feel it go out into a field and do that exact same move. You’ll finally be able to throw dead straight.
Love this! To add to this conversation from a sports performance coach and former collegiate baseball player perspective, there's 2 things that I find people having issues with. They're the same reasons that baseball players gain an advantage in disc golf. 1) weight shift 2) hip-shoulder separation Like you said in the video, that linear movement is transferred to rotational using that front foot. Linear movement is going to be more accurate and faster. Since our legs are slower than our upper half, it's important that our lower half works efficiently. That's the weight shift. The shoulder-hip separation is the slowness you're talking about. Leaving that upper body behind to create lag which in our sport is power. Great stuff dude!
I'm also a former college athlete (wrestling) and I'm just coming back to the game after a long break.... Ironically I can mash a baseball but have always struggled with mechanics for driving a disc. I think it's mostly just timing but I really struggle to access my power and strength in constructive ways
Man I've watched a lot of disc golf tutorial videos, but this one hit me. I am constantly thinking about rotating because that's all that is ever talked about, which in turn causes me to round the disc all day. Thank you for this...a new perspective and great insight!
I’m so glad it clicked! My thoughts have evolved so much over the years. This is definitely the best way I have thought about it IMO. I struggled a long time trying to chase this feeling. 7+ years of work to get to this point and I feel like it’s only just beginning. I don’t think it’s any coincidence that since I started doing more mobility and training in the gym over the last 7 months, I have become more in control of the muscles that need to be used to throw the disc. Taking a step back from trying to hop on the pro tour I decided to focus more on content. I feel like my thought processes differ from others and am excited to keep sharing everything that I have learned that has gotten me to this point!
First time seeing one of your videos, not even halfway through watching it, and I've already subbed. The disconnect between conventional wisdom and what's actually going on is such an important thing to explore in sports, and you have the thoughtfulness, curiosity, and humility to discover insights and communicate them in a digestible way. Keep up the killer work.
Wow. Thank you very much for these words! It truly means a lot. I like to think I’m a student of the game. I never want to stop being curious! This game has provided so much for me. I feel in debt to start sharing it with others in a way I would have wished to been taught. I am not perfect by any means. But I’m always willing to learn and reassess when needed. Im blown away by all of the responses this video has gotten! Thank YOU for being apart of this journey! I look forward to connecting with more people!
I wonder if this was what Kristian Kuoksa was talking about in his Noob vs Pro video. It is really good even though I can’t speak or understand the language. Great explanation, I hope to implement this myself and with new and upcoming players.
This is what I’m talkin’ about! I always wanted a smooth form like Simon. I’ve been starting to put all the pieces together but this video helps a lot. Especially with the exercises you demonstrated.
I’m glad! Getting into the gym is the most underrated way to build technique. Obviously it takes time to transfer to throwing the actual disc. But in my experience it actually made it easier. Go get it!
Wow! Great insights that cuts through a lot of the morass of "info" out there that seems to overly complicate and confuse most beginning and intermediate players. Even some of the online instructors say that they don't teach the same concepts that they previously did which means that some of the stuff they taught was misleading. You are a natural teacher and I look forward to your future videos.
Oh believe me. My thoughts have evolved over the years. I just use RU-vid to speak my mind. Take it or leave it. Thanks for joining along for the ride. I really appreciate you for the kind words!
Good morning sir! I’ve been trying to change my form for over a year now, I’m 52 and can throw pretty far, 400 sometimes more, but I’ve never really used my hips, just raw power. This video was super helpful. I think he described it very well, throwing the medicine ball really triggered my front hip, thanks Broham! -Mitch
@@TannerMcCartney If I still lived in Austin I’d gladly let you borrow it. It’s a really great tool, though also super frustrating when I swear I am making a change to correct X, and yet it still doesn’t correct X. But this too is great feedback because you know definitively that you need to try something else.
After all the videos I've consumed and hours of trying to turn my hips with my back leg... and torquing my groin muscle repeatedly, this take seems like a nice, refreshing spin on what many may need to hear, who DG does not come to naturally. BooYa! Thx. (Do you have any 'hit point' vids?)
This was very helpful. Want to do some fieldwork now :-). I have been a “puller“ for years and have been trying to learn the back leg more. But this makes a lot more sense. It also seems much faster. Can’t wait to work it.
Interesting. At The Open at Austin, I asked Albert Tamm if he is going to increase his throwing effort from 70% to 90%, where does he feel the biggest increase in effort in his form and he said it was in the brace. Jake Hebenheimer was also telling me he really focuses on getting more power from the brace when he's trying to rip it. When the back leg swings around in front and causes a spinny follow through, it might be a sign of trying to rotate the hips too much, the back hip rotates around and keeps you spinning. Whereas the elite distance throwers, their back leg doesn't loop around with a lot of energy, it stays behind the brace leg as a counterbalance, sometimes they extend it enough to where it touches the ground again. After all that energy goes into the throw instead of looping around into the follow through, the back leg finally comes around more gently. Watch David Wiggins here literally kick the ground with his back leg after it comes off the ground: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4fQ2qJX1A9g.html Simon, back leg extends then comes around with control (LOUD): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RyvQJbK_Rj0.html Eagle: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5UOpYTcB52Y.html
I’m definitely not saying this isn’t true. I have years of throws with more rotation than I needed. So there’s years of work I’m trying to undo. This is how the throw works for sure. I’ve cut a lot of rotation down. Still working on getting more of it out. But I also think it depends on the person. Some players have some rotation.
Drew Gibson comes to my mind. Don’t get me wrong. Rotation ISNT bad. But the less rotation the more accurate you SHOULD be. I think that’s where the swing can vary for people. I love the insights here! That’s what’s so cool with disc golf is not everyone has to throw the exact same to achieve a similar result!
Maybe I am misreading, but I think he might be agreeing with you and was just saying that it was interesting. Again, I might be misunderstanding though
@@bbd1254 yeah I’m agreeing. And was pointing out he’s “not alone” as he mentioned because multiple pros have told me the brace is where they control their power.
Owen Condit at Trebuchet Disc Golf has been talking about the importance of the brace and the front hip, a lot like you're talking about it here. This is great practical advice.
Cant wait thanks :D Have the same issue as you(I saw it in your earlier videoes, "make some changes in off season) those issue you fixed, i have it to😅 Dont know have to fix it :)
thank you for telling how it feels. that peeing dog leg feels so much stronger to brace on and feeling my hips fire faster. gotta wait snow to melt to try it on a field
You do, but I think if there’s too much lag it can actually cause you to round a bit. Too much lag can prevent you from being able to get into the power pocket
@@TannerMcCartney makes perfect sense. Checked your slo mo's over and over again and that lag isn't even visible. I'm having troubles with brace and nose angle so definitely gonna try it out. Cheers!
Hahah they aren’t. They are some freebies my buddy gave to me. I bet they are like $5🤣 They are a little obnoxious but they are surprisingly nice to wear lol
This really is great stuff and you earned yourself a sub! Curious how you combine this with your throwing arm. Do you even think about the arm at all at this point, or is it second nature to you? If you do, what cues do you use? Many pros say that they aren't really doing anything in particular with the arm other than leaving it loose, but I wonder if that's just because they've been playing for so long that they in fact do a lot of things with their arm, but subconsciously.
I do a little bit. In a ball golf swing, when you are at peak rotation ( reach back) you almost let gravity initiate the swing. I kinda feel that same thing in the disc golf throw. My arm is pretty relaxed and it just gets pulled in a bit. Definitely takes some practice to be able to learn how to separate your arm pulling in with out your shoulders rotating.
@@TannerMcCartney Okay so you basically let the hips initiate the rotation and then you pull through, leading with the elbow when you can feel the momentum from the hips? Or do you pull at the same time as you fire your hips?
@obwan95 I try to bring my arm in just a hair before my hips fire. But it’s a very “lazy” motion. Doesn’t need to be fast or powerful in my opinion. But the arm has to come in a tad then hips fire and shoulders rotate
@@TannerMcCartney iv been using that ball golf form in that exact way and unlocked an extra 40 -50 feet consistently without running up just a nice x step. And that gets me around 430 controlled. He isn't wrong brothers.
I played golf for like one summer growing up. In my opinion, I feel like the golf swing is a tad more swoopy. I feel like this is a touch more linear. I could be wrong. Just my first initial thoughts. Just because a golf ball needs to be up in the air where as a frisbee is actually meant to “glide” Does that make sense? Did you notice that at all?
@@TannerMcCartney your totally right its like skipping stones. But if you reverse it and go the other way without the swoop it's close to a disc golf throw. I was just really lacking in the hips and ball golf got me to actually feel what I was doing with my hips
@ff8100 sweet! Yeah. I’d say it’s very similar to a golf swing. Cool that you were able to make that comparison and make it work for you! Proud of you for putting in that work!
Correct me if I’m wrong , but it sounds like you’re advocating forcing the brace action, rather than it being a byproduct of dynamic balance & movement ? Have you tried playing around with different bracing styles, like Vertical Brace or more Horizontal brace ? There can be a hybrid w/ both elements as well.
Definitely not forcing. Just showing movements that can easily put you in a solid brace. This brace has been most natural for me once I started doing some of these movements in the gym. I think as long as there’s a brace it shouldn’t matter as much if it’s more vertical. I personally feel like it also depends on how hard you are throwing.
To add to this, how hard are you "throwing" with the arm also? There's so much back and forth on YT about "keeping arm loose" but also "driving with elbow." Hard to tell if I should use my arm powerfully or rely on the hips Like a baseball player sets up the pitch and then throws the hell out of it with the arm, do you feel You're also throwing the hell out of it with your arm while doing this? Or is the brace/hip "throwing" it for you?
The arm is active but it’s not where the power is produced. The power is transferred through the lower body into the arm if that makes sense. At least this is how I think about it. I think because of that, people think the arm is doing a lot because it’s moving fast. But it’s being powered from the hips/legs/coil. The arm shouldn’t be limp though. Ideally you want to pull it into the “power pocket” position before your shoulders really start rotating forward. That being said I’d say most of the time my arm is 10-20% involved but it’s hard to really give an exact percent. I would just say it’s a lot less arm than most people think. Hope this helps somewhat! Also, this is just MY opinion and how it feels to me. Overthrow has a great video on this. I believe it’s titled “throwing like the pros”
what is your thought about getting spin to the disc? do you get more spin when you slow down? when I try to speed up my throw I got a lot of wobble. can we throw to fast?
I think there are multiple variables that go into spin rate. I have a few that I feel like are also overlooked. Plan on doing a video soon covering it!
@@ETs.. my biggest advice. Slow in, accelerate out. Key word accelerate. It’s not slow in FAST out. It’s slow in Accelerate out. As long as you are increasing the speed coming out you should see a better result. But not too fast!
