THIS is "Human Eye Resolution" VR 

Ghost In The Shell vibe

Virtual zoom would look like shit, I wonder if optical zoom would even be doable, if it is doable, definitely would be an awesome contraption!

I want thermo and night vision.

Why?

@paulct91 I suppose it blasts you into an exponential leap in evolutionary advantage, making you an apex predator. I mean, no reason. 🫢

Eh having 2 items attachments is inconvenient... I rather have everything in one device not separate that tie on my arm or belt etc

@@TheDragonfridayyou must have short sessions in vr then.

@@TheDragonfridayPutting weight on your head when it could be elsewhere is silly.

​@@TheDragonfridayHaving all the weight on your head is stupid when you can mount a small box on your waist.

​​@@TheDragonfriday10 hours with heavy gear on your head is neck straining and neck pain every military soldier who had to wear a heavy helmet all day will make complaints... Waist bag or a sling bag so you can lay down by moving the computer on your back or lay of your back by shifting the computer pack on your stomach is inconvenient sure but if your avatar has a sling bag then you can just imagine you need to move your virtual bag for "immersion and good for HOURS on end without straining your neck or any specific muscles...

doomed

Wario

For me I pretty much just want better fov, wearing the quest 2 felt claustrophobic at times, and while the q3 is an improvement I'm just hoping for the eventual 180* micro displays that we've seen in prototypes. That and maybe more native wireless connection, like if they could have a peripheral that plugged directly into the computer for something more responsive or higher bitrate than wifi or bluetooth

In a few years "retina" resolution and passthough will be trivial. OLED will be ubiquitous. And it will be affordable for the average person.

I've been in VR since Rift CV1 and I've loved Quest 2 and 3 but seriously miss the OLED from the original Rift for the deep blacks and I also miss the tracking too as I've not been able to play Archery games since Rift CV1. So I'm hoping Quest 4 will be OLED + better tracking. And things extra I'd love are: Wider FOV + eye tracking. Once you see what eye tracking can do like in PSVR you'll want eye tracking in all your games. It's amazing!!

@@skscotch srsly... everyone pushed LCD's for no reason when oleds were clearly always better

Claymann ty for your response. I felt similarly 😂

He 3D scanned himself.

any time ^^7

@@Drksyder you have to remember the Aero has a much smaller FoV. So it’s much easier to get a higher average PPD. I prefer the visuals of this way more than the Aero

you think it will be good for shooters and sim racing

glad you enjoyed :D

So this is a solution to the vergence accomodation conflict?

No it is not it increases pass through quality

ok i have regrets

I NEEED

​@@SadlyItsBradleya true God... I can't socialize in VR chat nor irl •~•

When a headset hits or exceeds "Retina Resolution" then that will be the case.

@@paulct91 Hi! But do we know, in practice, what is the actual "retina resolution" for each type of panel pixel layout and lens type combination, or are we just guessing based on our experience with monitors?

I think just like PC we will have to wait at least 10 years or more still. It's just to expensive, not only the headset but also the hardware to run PCVR. But I am enjoying it already, in fact I can't play pancake games anymore. I am kind of lucky because I mostly like racesims which have in general VR support.

​​@@boebsiebyarada996410+ years is nonsense. It will be more like 2-3.

It’s a neat feature. But definitely not something I think adds THAT much cost. I’ve seen it in other HMD prototypes as well. Such as Sharp from CES this year. Over time I think it will be more common It’s hard for me to compare apples to apples with the XR3 unless I’m in the same environment. I’m sorry I can’t be of much help. I think the passthrough is improved by the fact that device’s FOV is larger though Personally I think it’s hard to notice a huge difference. Obviously 70ppd is bigger, but the benefits here outweigh the losses

you where about to try the xr4 ? how was it compared to say a crystal ? did the tracking seem good for shooters ? i m on the fence.

I do think they matter. All I am trying to say, the 200 nits number isn't exactly hugely a game changer compared to most other HMDs I've tried. But of course, I have seen demoes with 10,000 nits to my eye balls.. so I might be ruined lol

It's that kind of money because they can get that kind of money from the DoD

Well, for the average person, this WILL be mind blowing. Brad already had the XR-3 and used that, and visually, compared to that this is an incremental upgrade.

No one can be blown away by an LCD headset. Only micro OLED can do that.

"Spare no expense" combined with low effort

Ya, I've often found that these enterprise headsets do ONE thing incredibly impressively for the use case they expected it to be used in. And Brad has had a LOT of experience in trying things from all end of the spectrum... so I suppose I can imagine comparing one of these to things that are built as all arounders can result in not being too impressed regardless of the good parts being really good.😅

DisplayPort Compression. May be limited to 60hz, then realtime perspective correction boosts up to 90hz

I watched the full Q&A and Varjo was asked and flat out said they have absolutely NO plans on an Aero 2 but that you can continue to buy the Aero. Weather this is a marketing thing to sell the current stock or it's true we don't know but that is what they said which signals no Aero 2 for quite some time even if they do make oue unfortunately.

@@damiengvideos4337Ya, I watched the whole thing too... I know what they said... Let's wait and see what they do. I think you are going to see in a year or so Varjo comes back and says, wow due to customer demand we are going to build an Aero 2. I mean, if they were leaving the consumer space, why did they remove the Subscription? That certainly isn't a deal-breaker for industry. Plus all the development for the Aero 2 is basically done. You take out the MR/XR stuff from the XR-4 and slap a $2000 price tag on it and you have the Aero 2. Think about it, you certainly wouldn't tell all these prosumer enthusiasts that... O' just wait a little longer, we are building an Aero 2 so no need to buy the XR-4. No, you say we have no plans so that some of this high end consumer market goes... well hell, they are not building an Aero 2 so I guess I better buy the XR-4. Now I could be completely wrong, but my gut instinct feels I'm right. Time will tell I guess.

Agreed!

you'd think somebody that the majority of the VR community follows every word, would know something that drastically improves the chromatic aberration was available. Or at least mention this for folks to know.

​@@farmertrueVRhes probably an og hardware, non tinkering type of person. I have a friend like that who doesn't even install windows software unless its from the store 😂

I can understand that@@deluge6479 . But tinkerer or not, if you are informing people of a VR headset, it's important to include a significant aspect of the headset. Part of being one of the largest faces in VR content, it's a responsibility to at least inform others that there is an easy option to negate that issue. People look up to this guy and what he says as 100% facts and there is no other option or way around it. This guy is all about some deep cuts & info that 99% of the population couldn't care less about, but he still goes the extra mile. Would seem that just mentioning that there is a solution, which is easy, quick & makes a HUGE difference, would be worth taking the 5 seconds to add into the video.

Why don't you cut its weight, mine about 570 grams in total with strap

The weight is inside the headset though. What do you mean?@@Snack.Dragon

@@Mavitros I mean main body about 500 grams, DIY fixed light strap without face cover for low weight

@@Snack.Dragon I would need a picture or something to follow what you mean

one dayyyyy

To some extent I don’t believe that’ll ever happen. There are physics limitations to the engineering trade offs and you’re not likely to be able to get all of the best features. Weight in particular will be difficult/impossible to get to that of the beyond while maintaining the same quality. However, as others have mentioned in the comments, I think the weight can be shifted off the head for some components that don’t need close proximity for low signal latency.

@@JimBob1937 I don't care if the compute power is not onboard I just want it to wirelessly stream from something else.

Anywhere I believe they stations will be obsolete.

What is it that you are talking about? Is this something that's related to warping?

Is that still the case after Varjo Aero's $1000 price drop to around $1000? Or EVEN after that those problems exist?

@@paulct91 it depends on your needs, I tend to suggest Bigscreen for most people that are shopping in that price point. Comfort is the main reason. For sim racing/flying, it's hard to beat the Aero at that price. If you do any kind of moving around though, e.g. Beat Saber or dancing in VRChat, the Bigscreen Beyond is the better choice due to its lower weight and better CG. Also consider contrast levels of LCD vs uOLED, Aero backlight can wash out dark scenes which is again not as much of an issue for sims but can take away from some experiences in other games.

To add onto that, the key difference that may set these apart for some people is the eye tracking. I have had mixed experiences with it... gaze direction is extremely accurate, unparalleled by anyone else in the industry, however for social VR applications it lacks some of the parameters that help with expression. The final results of our presentation with the Varjo team directly were somewhat disappointing, even on their prosumer product they do not seem to see the value of expression for social VR and research purposes.

PCVR is technically this. All the compute happens in a 20 pound steel box.

4x4k per eye (3840x3744 per eye!), 1.7x more pixels than the Pimax Crystal and 3.15x pixels than the Quest3.

I scrolled way to far to find this comment! That was my first question, why the heck does this have the same three "pill" design on the front?!

I'm daily driving an Aero, and while the barrel distortion was very visible for the first few days, your brain blends it out, just like the black borders around your vision VR gives you. At least that's how it worked for me, I don't notice the distortion anymore.

​@@flix6904Exactly. I am a prescription glasses wearer with astigmatism, and everytime my prescription changed my brain had to "learn" the new image. Distortions, everything felt shorter... a couple of days and I cannot notice anymore. The same thing happened wirh Varjo (also moved from Index).

Not sure how bad it is, but my cheapo seeing glasses have a decent amount of pupil swim, you really do get used to it.

I agree I couldn't get used to the distortion. It's the reason I send my Varjo back and returned to my G2. Maybe we got specific headshapes or eye to eye width 😂. Because some people didn't want to believe me how bad the distortion for me was. It almost felt like 2.5d instead of 3d.

You bought an Aero and only used it for 5 minutes? 😂

Isn’t the crystals pass through black and white?

Not Brad... but, I believe VR Raytracing or maybe even Path Tracing is mostly possible in VR, for example DanceXR a MMD/XnaLara Model and Animation player claims it can do that, though not on the Android app because of Performance(?).

*"Eg: Poiyomi shaders have an option for clamping the minimum light a surface can receive, thus it won't be totally black even if it's not receiving any light"* I don't understand --- Why would that be desirable?

@@bricaaron3978 in the docs it's mentioned that some people don't like being fully invisible in the dark and some worlds have poor lighting

@@g_glop Oh, boy..... At any rate, I share your antipathy for deferred rendering. The only thing that is needed (on PC) for highly realistic visuals at perfect angular resolution and perfect framerates is Forward Rendering combined with Foveated Rendering. If the Foveated Rendering is not just GPU-level but integrated with all aspects of an engine, the framerate at a given Apparent/Foveal Resolution could be increased 10x or more.

​@@bricaaron3978 I agree that forward + foveated is a good combo for most apps but i just can't stop thinking that with rays you could also get distortion compensation and render masks completely for free. Is depth of field easier with rays than raster? Eye tracing would give you the gaze convergence point and you could blur out everything else to make the focused object pop.

Those displays suffer from persistence blur though. VR has had high refreshrates with little persistence blur for a while, which make them a lot more clear than standard displays. Higher resolutions in VR is important. So is lightweight, the beyondVR headset is well regarded for it's minimal size.

We shouldn’t be there in terms of headset power. We’re not even close. We’re at least an order of magnitude from that being possible. You can’t even do that with the top end GPUs, where the system pulls over a kilowatt!! (Assuming you want graphics better than ps3)

We just have to get to the point where we can't see pixels at 120fps, where most people can't notice the difference of higher fps, 120 or 144 is where most people can't tell a difference to fluidity

Resfresh rate won't fix spatial aliasing effects. So high resolution is definitely necessary. But high refresh rate is also necessary, as is high contrast and good colors, low input latency, no noticeable artifacts(e.g. ghosting) as well as a small size and low weight. So we still have a lot of dimensions of improvement, before we get something that is "good enough"

​@@willuigi64no? Optimum tech reviewed a 524 Hz monitor with much more clarity in moving objects than other monitors