''you study 8 puzzles you get 5 of them wrong, play 2 blitz games rage and go back to Overwatch 2" I have never felt so personally attacked hahaha my dude hit all the marks
Games like this actually get you wondering whether Fisher was right when he said that prep ruined chess as a game. It still is extremely impressive to have 40 moves of prep, but I feel like the game itself is turning into a memorization competition, rather than a contest of calculation, imagination and creativity.
At the highest level with long time controls, yes it is a huge problem. But Fischer Random Chess, Rapid chess, Blitz and Bullet chess, and all the other chess variants help keep the game interesting for top grandmasters. That's why Hikaru mostly plays Blitz and Bullet online. And in Blitz and Bullet, you can play creative and imaginative chess because the opponent doesn't have a billion years to think about the perfect way to defend it.
But how they prep these games,or why,what if you prepare a 40 move game from a certain position but it never arises in the actual game?Isn't it wasted?
@@redwanurrahaman8644most chess grandmaster’s have memory and intelligence beyond at least the top 1% of humans on the planet, and if they are white, they analyse what move their opponent usually plays after the opening played, and if they play something else, prep from other games can play as well
It definitely made it a different game. I think that's not debatable. Ruined is a strong word. The ability to have 40 moves of prep for one line is still absolute insanity.
The sad part about this is that Erigaisi couldn't possibly have cheated to know this line because the engine doesn't see far enough forward to think it's a good idea lol
You clearly do not understand computer chess. Humans can't play anywhere near the level of an engine. Do you have any idea how strong Stockfish is? It would blow these guys out of the water. Even giving the best super GMs in the world a two pawn-advantage isnt enough to equalize. Levi doesn't know what he's talking about. The eval bar is not the entire story. There are likely ways to save the position as black but would need to be played at a level only engines could play. When you understand just how strong engines are-videos like these are of pure ignorance.
@@bobfred4410 I think you misunderstood. The prep was certainly done with an engine, but you don't need to have 40-move depth to see what it recommends at move 40, as long as the game plays out as expected until then. That is, every GM obviously knows several moves of theory for each of the popular lines in the Italian game. Starting from the end of the typical lines of theory, you let the engine play against itself and take note of which moves it is considering. An engine can pay against itself for hundreds of moves whole only calculating at a depth of 20 moves at any given moment, for example. What is impressive about this game is that for Erigaisi to know 40 moves of preparation for this particular game, his opponent had to stick exactly to one of the lines that he prepared beforehand. Because there are so so so many possible lines, it means that Erigaisi probably prepared an absolutely enormous amount in order to get lucky enough to have it last 40 moves, plus he remembered it all in detail.
Loving every video Levy, I don't get the impression you hate your audience at all, but you have a way of calling out the twitch chat "grandmasters" on their arrogant comments which is hilarious, spicy, and entirely deserved. You'll notice these commenters a lot in any stream of a turnbased game, backseaters, ask any streamer how they feel about them. He streams with a live chat which allows anyone in the world to say anything, anonymously, to him. He can absolutely reserve the right to call out the arrogant or joking commenters, and only truly vile, toxic comments risk being punished after the fact, not prevented. Twitch has freedom of speech, but not freedom from moral judgement based on what you say.
I think one of the things that makes Levy's content so much better is the emphasis and emotion he puts into recording, it really enhances the whole experience and captures the craziness of 43 moves of PREP!!! This is such an amazing game, for me, it's up there with Shakh's immortal. Thanks for covering it!
I have no idea to what extent this was engine prep, but if (nearly) all of it was, then I don't see why this is such an amazing game, as it's just an exhibition of exceptional memory and discipline. I mean if in the future human chess will be all about who does best at memorising engine lines, doesn't that defeat the purpose of the game itself?
@@TurnaboutAkamia Imagine if one day the World Championship were to be decided by amazing memorised engine prep, would you still argue that they were amazing games?
@@TurnaboutAkamia Ignore my reply. It was rather daft and not to the point that you stated. I understand what you mean that the game of chess in itself was amazing.
@@36AccountsBlockedRIP Why would they not be amazing games? That level of memorization is itself an impressive skill. If it were not, then it would be commonplace. Besides, ALL games (not just chess) really do just boil down to computation and learning the best algorithm. The only difference between chess and other, simpler games is that we have no computer powerful enough to solve the game. But all games are solvable. If there exists a set of rules at all, then there exists a set of optimal strategies. The challenge boils down to finding those strategies. There is nothing else to it.
@@aarij9260 you’re assuming a lot. I never said it wasn’t entertaining. And I didn’t say that he shouldn’t continue watching. Don’t put words in my chat box.
I don't know how to feel about this. On the one hand, memorising so many moves is really impressive, on the other hand it turns chess into a memorization competition at the highest levels.
There have been numerous studies on this actually. At the GM level a lot of it is memorization. A GM's ability to solve a chess puzzle in a game state that makes sense is usually off the charts. On the other hand the same studies find that GMs struggle with non-nonsensical game states. This is actually one of the reasons why the World Chess960 Championship and the FIDE World Fischer Random Chess Championship are so interesting. By sidestepping normal game states you end up with people playing chess and not going off memorization.
This is why Magnus Carlsen often likes to sidestep main lines and critical variations. You can’t memorise 40 moves of prep in every possible variation. Magnus is confident in his skill to win even objectively equal positions once people are out of their prep. Meanwhile this game was in a super common opening - even low intermediate players play this type of Italian up to 10ish moves deep. So this is where GMs will be well prepared.
That's literally what I did too. Played a few puzzles, required multiple attempts for more than half of them, played 2 RAPID games and then the Christmas bots 😂
Dude, the amount of foresight and preparation to make the situation perfect to use this strategy having enough fail-safes that even the computer goes "wait, wait... WAIT WHAT?" That is strategy at its finest
"You solve 8 puzzles. You get 5 of them wrong. Then you play 2 blitz games, you rage. And you go back to playing Overwatch 2." How many cameras have you installed in my room Levy?!
3:51 - 4:00 - broski couldn’t have got my life more accurate lmfaoooo Well, minus the getting the majority of puzzles wrong and raging at blitz, but the OW2 point is spot-on lol
Watched the game live in person. Then watched the live interview of Arjun analyzing the variations with Vishy Anand post match. Vishy was really in high praise. Really one of the most memorable moments ever.
black can force a draw after f3, the eval is +1.5 but white cannot make progress and the game will simply go on forever if the players don't agree to a draw.
Gotham, try enabling NNUE in the computer settings. If you go to the gear icon in the upper right and set the chess engine to Stockfish 15 NNUE and the lines to 1, Stockfish finds the whole line with f3 Rd5 Ra5 Ra8 in about 2 seconds. In order to have computer analysis at the highest level, you should totally enable NNUE. It makes Stockfish 150 ELO stronger and more positional in nature.
That's exactly why he doesn't use it. To make a move/idea seem more impressive than what it actually is because stockfish "can't see" it. He basically handicaps stockfish and then acts surprised when it doesn't see something.
@@spacedragon2753 I disagree, Hikaru and other popular youtubers treat what Classic Stockfish 15 says as fact, without realizing that there is a NNUE option to make it stronger. He's not like an big online persona masking the truth to make it seem more brilliant, he's just a little ignorant of the setting. A lot of people actually are.
@@clausable6328 Even if they are ignorant about that specific setting, they still treat what Classic Stockfish 15 says as fact even though they have been told over and over that a browser engine is extremely handicapped. Also, even Gotham has said in videos that he knows that browser stockfish is bad, yet that's what he continues to use to claim "brilliant ideas that stockfish didn't see". This is obviously to make something look more brilliant than what it actually is, because (once again) he already knows that browser stockfish just isn't good, which means that the "ignorant about it" argument is invalid.
@@ObjectiveGamingx It's not scary at all, because the browser engine is extremely handicapped. The engine's elo only makes sense when you let it run at its full potential.
I haven't watched the game yet, but hearing Levy claim he doesn't clickbait is genuinely hilarious. He's done a better job straddling the clickbait/unsub line than any other content creator on RU-vid.
Yes I've gotta admit this really is mind blowing. The fact that not even stockfish can properly see a few moves ahead in that key position - wow. Very impressive indeed!
@@gabrielmalek7575 Yeah, I guess. But I have seen instances where both Leela and sf have actually made miscalculations in recent times in the tcec tournaments.
Everyone: Yeah bro I totally believe that you are not clickbaiting us. I mean its not like the past frew videos were kinda fake. It must be a Hullicination right??? Gotham: 😏
If I had a nickel every time Levi talked about Combat Arms in relation to chess, I'd have two nickels which isn't a lot, but it's weird it's happened twice
Levy ur engagement with us the viewers or at least for me in these recent videos has been outstanding. Well done, I know you receive a lot of love from many people but just wanted to share my part too
And this explains exactly why Magnus plays nonstandard openings. When you can solve an entire line, and remember it, the only way to get back to human vs human play is to deliberately create a small weakness and explode the tree in p space.
OK unpopular opinion: 40 moves of prep is dumb. It takes the creativity and the art out of battling through a position where you don't know the best moves, and have to actually find them instead of just memorizing the whole game. Learning a position via ideas and training tactics is OK, but at some point, these prep games become a battle of who was more devoted to memorizing theory. In that respect, chess engines have ruined high-level chess for me.
We all play chess in a single format which is the same pieces in the same place. If, we change the format of chess board like chess960 than there would be few grandmasters who can play their game with the performance rating above 2400's. But if you scramble the pieces of Chess Engines, they would still play high level chess. So, we should blame the way chess is being taught to learn, not the chess engines. Chess engines didn't ruin high level chess but they are a way to learn high level chess.
Goth I need to formally thank you for getting me into chess I started playing 30days ago exactly for the 1st time and I just hit 400elo on rapid I’m so proud of myself. (I’ve never played chess before I just started learning last month)
if you wanna get higher quicker, learn some opening traps since some of them are actually common! i recommend playing kings gambit as white as it has a lot of traps
@@xxchickenxx5086 i werent learning openings until i was 1200, he is 400 dude, he is probably around the phase where he is learning that knights can go back
I feel like a3/a4 is common in the Italian. The idea is to give your white bishop an escape for the move Na5. In addition, it also attacks the b4 square.
It is, i don't know why Levy went on a spiel about "you could never find this move" for what is an easy to spot, thematic move. Very weird. Even 1200s will play it sometimes to try to trap the opponent's bishop on b6 or b3.
I don't understand chess, but your passion and explanations are so potent that even a complete chess block head like myself is able to grasp what you are talking about!
@@Legendendear Ah yes get called out on a blatantly obvious incorrect statement but oh no it is actually the person correcting who is in the wrong because it is all a joke. What an easy copout and people need to stop using it every time they are called out.
You used to play combat arms? Damn thats a deep cut. Jumping off the tower into the missile silo and spamming crouch to clip through was a huge part of my childhood
Holy crap the subtle "Combat Arms" glitching out of the map reference. Not a lot of people get that one... I remember you could like sprint at a pipe on Vertigo and glitch into a wall.
