This is making me CRY! | Cami reacts to the Engoodening of No Man's Sky | Internet Historian 

I bought it during a recent sale after getting VR, and have been having a great time. The only complaints I've had is that the tutorial seems to be either outdated or inaccurate for survival mode, since I had a _lot_ of trouble finding what it wanted me to do, since it barely explained anything and some things it referenced appeared to not exist. There also seems to be no roomscale VR support, so it's required that you turn with the joystick and don't move too far physically. Other than that, I've been loving it. I've just built a wooden house on top of a floating island that's on a frozen planet, overlooking a frozen lake, and am working towards a teleporter of some kind that it wants me to build. Flying the ship is also awesome in VR, I love working the controls, even if it really feels like it's designed for you to be sitting, since I need to either bend my legs or really bend my wrists to properly move the control stick.

Totally agree. I remember being on the hype train too before release. The NMS previews really captured the same wonder and potential that Minecraft exuded when it was in early access and that drew me to the game. When the stuff hit the fan at launch, it caused me to hold off from buying it unless something changed, but not being too hopeful. Later, this Internet Historians video went out, became crazy viral, and I watched it. Bought the game right then and there; have never regretted it.

source please?

@@slavikpodufalovhe tweeted about it back when it came out, it was hilarious, i think its linked on the IH tvtropes page if you don’t want to scroll through his tweets for it

Sean tweeted about the video and begged for everyone NOT to watch past the 50th minute or so.

Lmao I mean wouldn’t you cringe if someone made a fanfic of you

Well now I know what part is getting reposted on Twitter.

I nearly spat my coffee when I heard this lol.

@@saltylemonz258 Im glad your coffe made it to the safety of your throat

foreshadowing the end of the video

I mean, breeding is fun to do, once you try it, you kinda don't want to stop

@@ElderonAnalas Yeah, tweakers be out there having families of 9. (even when they can't afford it lmao)

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That’s just amazing

Correction: They've released 20 major updates, not 8, making it even more admirable.

Or maybe you value honesty. It’s one thing to “forgive” it’s another thing to act like it’s okay to lie and buy yourself years to make good on promises you made fame/money on immediately. There’s honest game devs out there that would never do that, why would you incentivize this behavior? He’s moving back towards baseline decency, not doing good.

I think it because of the scope of their project that lead people to push them further than baseline decency. They move pass the baseline decency buy starting to add thing they didn't promise and continue to expand on the game far past it "expire date". The fact they still update this game as we speak right now is impressive considering they don't have some massive money farm feature like CSGO or TF2 with skin economy and such. They fix that their mistake, that push them to baseline, then they continue to update it regular large content update, far surpass our expectation. Another point to be have is the "baseline" for the gaming community is very low, like adding all the feature you promise is like already far above average. When you competitor are running with the money and ignore their fan awhile you stay and continue to own up to your mistakes, you already far above the rest of the industry. As a TF2 fan, i been dying for a update for (as of this comment) 2430 days. Being a no man sky fan would be so much better rn.

@@spelcheak LMAO they passed baseline decency years ago, 99% of studios would've moved on to a new project by now instead of continuing to pump out FREE updates for years for no other purpose than to make your game even better than what you originally promised, but failed to deliver. In the end, Hello Games' biggest mistake was to not have a dedicated PR manager handling information during development, which led to hype going out of control because of Sean's overselling of the game (and the pricetag, but that might've been Sony's fault). As IH said, the dude's a tech guy, not a salesman. You're free to believe that Sean willfully lied to drive sales (personally I think it's a massively braindead take but hey, you do you), but saying he's still not made his way back to baseline decency after all this is _absolutely INSANE._

That is a VERY valid point. Mission Creep is an insidious cancer.

to be fair, it's usually not the developer who forces adherence to the deadlines, it's the publishers. the dev'll say when they think they can deliver and the publisher naturally wants it as soon as possible, cuz they're footing the bill for a ton of stuff. and if there's unforeseen problems, well... they want their money back. every delay of the release date costs them a butt ton of money, cuz they're the ones paying for all the timed release stuff. they gotta do new ads and reset the online store stuff, plus all the behind the scenes costs, and it's even worse if it's a hard copy release like NMS. Plus, the devs are usually under a contract that would bury them if they break it, typically including an NDA that won't really let them defend themselves if it involves the publisher. so we end up with 12 year olds blaming "greedy devs" for problems that are at least as much, in not more, the fault of the publisher. notice how the video really says nothing about why they didn't just delay release till it was more finished. because it wasn't't a self published game and there were millions on the line. such is capitalism and the arts, i guess.

Yea deadlines serve a purpose most cases though it's because games take a large investment and it needs to see a return especially if there's loans and interests involved. Money needs to flow. No deadlines and you end up with these titles that sit in early access indefinitely, abandoned or they're just grifts.

Almost like millions of people dont like being lied to and taken advantage of. Crazy.

@@Gryffyth_Aurum Or, double-check the size of developer company and stop getting carried away. Blame the media for massively overexaggerating the man's words.

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100%

And the devs can just say, "no, it needs more time in the oven."

yeah becuase they have employees they have to pay monthly and its hard to do that when your not making money becuase the game isnt out for sale yet so they get it in a playable state (using that term loosely) and with the magic of the internet they can continue working on it and roll out updates

@@SilverFang95 and then be ignored.

@Megalomaniakaal and they can still say no.

Crying is very human and it was really touching

@camellia_vt Haha well, thank you for the reassurance. Also, I hope you're having a good day and/or night, anime lady 😊

Ok, so I am not alone on this one. Good, good. 😄

If you use reactors for your first watch, do you at least pop over the the original after and leave a like on it?

I preordered the game on PS4 in fact it was why I bought the console and never got rid of it, still play it during expeditions.

like said in the video, he's an introvert, he got on stage, took one for the team, cause they din't have anyone else. So the man is a team player and isn't scared to "sacrifice" himself, but yeah it must have been hard for him

As a huge introvert, I get anxious just hearing about Murray having to be PR for NMS. 😨

I think this is why so many indie games have more heart

For all his monumental screw-up parade is almost unfathomable... Sean and the team? They understood the wrong they did, and sought to make it right. To this day they are still working on the game IIRC. It's up to the individual to decide if they did make it right, but if nothing else... they DID work to make it right. That's more than 90% of live services and AAA games.

I'm the best aroundddd

Yeah cause sony was really like being Anal with all of this, it was scary and hilarious to see.

I think he said it was a good video, but he said you can skip the last part

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​@@enigmaticnasser9335Yep,he did

Corporations sux period

The console wars are over, Sony AND X-box both lost, and the world is better for it. PC master race.

@@camellia_vt based.

apparently they didn't help fund NMS, Sean asked them for PR only

@@xvphoenixvii5146 wait really!?

Poor Pizza on the floor

There's also the simple reality that projects need to finish at some point. Especially if you've made a promise with another company that you would be completing said project. Even if development costs are $0, you can't keep putting it off indefinitely, and setting deadlines can keep your team focused and ensure progress is being made.

But then when they don't give the developers enough time to make a good game they lose money because people don't want to buy a bad game. It's simple but the execs only see short term.

The thing about good time management is that it's really hard. Small indie teams fail at it just as often, if not more, than the big studios. And the larger your project is, the harder it gets. In large ganes, no one sees the entire picture, and proper counication and reporting between different teams and departments is critical. Moreover, the responsibility for assessing time requiments for tasks falls on the engineers and developers. In fact, I expect that the initial overall time assessment is usually made by the lead designer. The real big issue is that the field of games is too competitive. Usually the solution for tight deadlines is to cut down features and focusing on polishing a smaller project, but the entire gaming industry is caught in a cycle of feature creep where every game have to be bigger better and more complex than the last one, and this part is at least partially the fault of us, the players who keep demanding more. (Look at how people reacted when they found TotK reused the main overworld map from BotW)

Ohhh that sounds interesting

It does doesn't it?

I'm fairly certain in that video he's mocking people who said NMS WOULD be "Minecraft in space" because it very much wasn't.

I think most games come out broken and get fixed not just indie games.

exactly every month a game isnt out is a month a company is paying employees out of pocket

It’s very interesting to think about. Like nowadays games just go early access and people excuse the bad performance

​​@@camellia_vtoh the fans don't excuse it. The higher-ups in the companies do and force the devs to hurry or leave it.

Honestly it really sux to work now. I hope things improve. I feel nothing but sympathy for people who pursued what they like to do.

they really should of pushed it back more

why aren't you?

Awww thanks you. I designed and rigged her myself.

​@@camellia_vtWoah really? Damn that's really impressive. The design is very beautiful too. ❤

That’s valid. I don’t usually preorder games. I usually wishlist them and I found out that wishlisting games actually help out the developers a lot.

Watching the video makes me want to play it

That’s so cool.

Honestly, NMS is the game that a lot of Starfield players wanted. Like, I don't really understand the point of paying money for Starfield when NMS exists and is so much better.

Do you play it mostly solo or with friends?

I usually play alone but its good especially now it's the hype that's they promised now

It makes sense it just sux. I think this is why so many indie games do kickstarters

@@camellia_vt its more becuase making games is stupid expensive so unless your already a massive company or rich you have to have some sort of backing or investment partner. or get lucky and make a super simple but fun game like binding of isaac but even that game was on Kickstarter

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Have we actually gotten any better? I'm smashing X to doubt. Most people never act out in these ways, and we may not have gotten any worse, but the unhinged people haven't changed, and there's always these people in any online community. All you need even now is one game that people are going to be really hyped up about, and this will happen again. Alanah Pearce got abuse after GOW Ragnarok got delayed, recently Playstation fanboys harassed her because she made the "grave mistake" of enjoying Starfield and they wanted to get her fired because her enjoying Starfield was her "betraying" Sony. Unhinged schizos haven't gotten any better, we're just one overhyped game trailer away from the next dumpster fire. Oh... Just remembered one more example. Have you seen what went on with The Coffin of Andy and Leyley? Twitter freaks literally harassed the sole indie developer off the Internet, because their smooth brains couldn't handle the necessary media literacy skills to understand the fact that just because the story presents depictions of something doesn't necessarily mean that the author is advocating for that thing, nor does it mean that it is presenting that thing in a positive way that will lead to its normalization.

@Nabekukka there is an easy solution...don't have a release date until you are 100% complete with the game. Until then, any type of response to delays is deserved.

I feel like the more popular gaming becomes the more corporate the games become

Interesting. I was not aware of that law. I still think it’s kinda shity to leak a game when it’s not done and judging it based of an early build. Even if that turned out to be what it looked like. It’s sad that games have become about money and not making fun games.

@@camellia_vt hey, so you might want to look into this stuff if you're doing reaction content. DMCA stands for the Digital Millennium Copyright Act which is a US law that has the most relevance due to where youtube/google/alphabet is headquartered. Basically DMCA sets up a set of rules for platforms like youtube that allows them to host material and not get automatically sued for billions of dollars over and over every minute so long as they can show they're making a 'good faith' effort to respect copyright and ban violaters using their services. There are exemptions to copyright protection and you should especially be aware of them because what you're doing on your channel is a lot more questionable than what those leakers did and is in a legal grey area that they absolutely were not. DMCA specifically exempts reporting and review from copyright claims, this falls into US consumer protection laws so that the public is protected from malicious companies trying to take advantage of them by selling faulty products with false advertising. This whole incident is actually a good case study in copyright and what's going wrong right now. What happened here is that SONY was distributing a product that they 100% knew was falsely advertised (they knew because in order to release a product on playstation it has to be certified meaning SONY has to test it and approve it), which is illegal. They then took advantage of the fact that youtube uses automated DMCA claims systems to kill reporting on the emerging fact that they were illegally selling falsely advertised products which is also illegal under US antitrust laws and also against the explicit terms of DMCA, copyright law in general and youtubes terms of service. The problem is that for SONY to actually suffer the consequences they deserve for this shit (which they do often) someone would have to sue them, and no one wants to because SONY has hundreds of billions of dollars and a lawsuit would not be enough to deter them, nor would it recoup and losses those harmed by SONY's behavior who might want to sue them. You should be very worried about this personally. Because besides Reporting/Product review, and Educational content, there is a third much more shaky exemption in Copyright, which is what protects your channel from suddenly being deleted while you sleep (as has happened to many many youtubers): Transformative Content. Reaction content falls under a very shaky legal protection which basically says that if what you're making out of someone else's content is 'transformative' then you can do it, they might sue you, but if you can prove in court that your content transforms there's into something new you can win and possibly make them pay the tens of thousands of dollars you'd have to give a lawyer to fight the case for you. Note that this would all be after your channel was completely destroyed and you'd have to find another way to make a living. Reaction content is especially vulnerable because what you're doing is very hard to argue as being 'transformative' especially with examples like ssSniperWolf out there who just stare at screens on camera while other people's content plays for their audience, you'd have to be able to PROVE TO A JUDGE who may or may not have a firm grasp of what youtube is, much less what a V-Tuber is, that the people who are watching you are there to watch you and would not watch the original video for any reason if you didn't. Right now you're getting away with this, not because what you're doing is OK, legally speaking, but because the content you are reacting to is owned by people who are OK with you reacting to it, playing it live, etc. You need to be aware of this stuff so you don't get blindsided one day because you played the wrong game (for instance something owned by nintendo) without their permission, or watched the wrong video without permission and wake up one day with your whole channel just gone.

I get that but at the same time. They could have pushed it a year or more if needed. Game get announced too early and then publishers rush the developers

@@camellia_vt I agree it's just how I assume it works and there are definitely more factors at play here other than just what we the consumer see. In a better world games can all take as long as they need and can release when ready regardless of anything else.

​@@camellia_vt the problem with delays on that scale, is pay. You have to pay all those salaries, and you aren't*making* any money during that time Game development is a harsh business because of the massive up front investment and salaries that have to be paid with no way to earn that money

i feel like it has more to do with being able to pay their employees but

​@@camellia_vtThis is fine when you're an established developer, (and actually happens ALL the time!) However, when MOST of the investment behind the game comes from the publisher, being able to report to an OUTSIDE person who took the risk to fund your game that you need a year or two more, is pretty much budgeting suicide - especially for a small indie company.

It's not as out of pocket of a thing to do really. His demeanor and body language is similar to not necessarily one of a liar, but a really bad liar. Up until this point in the video, most people know at a surface level that the launch was a dumpster fire, and the way IH presents the narrative at this point, aligns with what most people knew and had heard, that he was a liar, and even though the video title hints at the eventual positive outcome for the game, this story could still end up in a number of differrent ways for Sean, and it would not have been surprising at all if he had turned out to be just another Peter Molyneux, but one that was just outwardly much worse of a liar because Peter at least spews all kinds of crap with a completely straight face. What really ended up happening, and what Sean really did is the thing that most people really would not expect, and rightfully so, as we've already had multiple examples that show otherwise, and we'd have many more since. Sean was, and is very much the exception to the rule. At this point in the video, I'm not sure if it had even been mentioned that he is an introvert, and even if it was mentioned, the majority of people are not going to make the connection between that fact and how he presents himself, because you don't see people like him in front of the cameras, and for a good reason. What this story doesn't tell, but one thing I'd like to know is how in the hell did he end up being the one that had to go to all these interviews and shows, when on the timeline did Sony enter into the picture and how did they not assist with the PR?

Glad you like the game. I am tempted to try it myself

​@@camellia_vtWhy not, but if you are not so in Space exploration probably try "The last Campfire" it's a cute little game and I enjoyed it. I bought it only because they support NMS now for years without asking for any money, but it's quite enjoyable to play. And it was cute that you teared up s little, it's a good thing that showed your empathy, and when someone really tried hard to fix mistakes it is good to can forgive. Btw, I never watched this to the end and the fan fiction was... something.😂😂😂 Nice Reaction. 😊