I say it all the time, I'm gonna say it again, Microsoft with their Windows Phone os(s) were really ahead of their time. It's sad that no one really saw the potential.
@well some of it was their fault but most of it was fate. Developers weren't interested and Google didn't want any of their apps on windows. Where they went wrong is by creating a locked OS like ios
@@TommyCrosby And interesting part, both UX eventually "ported" over to another OS or inspired from. Many of the cards UX on Android were more inspired from WebOS especially like the multi-tasking UI. Windows Phone/10 Mobile. We we obviously got it on PC. But this Andromeda OS later got into Windows 10X which is also shelved and then now in Android as well. The Live Tiles sadly didn't live through Windows 11, well there is Widgets but we are just stretching the limit of similarities. Funny thing, iOS and iPadOS has a close similarities now with Live Tiles, so it now lives on Apple systems, not in Windows. Very similar in layout, design and interactions. Windows 11 Widget is just more of a copy of macOS style of Widgets and Google page on Android Home screen. But as of current state, not as flexible as Live Tiles and less visible. The typography UI of Metro Design sorts lives on as an inspiration on OneUI of Samsung devices. The built in apps with large text on the home page is very reminiscent of Metro.
I had a Lumia for a period of time and I enjoyed the windows experience. Historically the entire family had very good cameras-much better than other when they were around.
They were good phones. Great audio, great durability and battery life. Unique industrial and software design, responsive screen. The only thing was the sparse app store. If they had just been a couple of years earlier I feel like it would still be here.
@@StephenYuan Absolutely agree! And I don't think they helped by changing the OS around so much - made it difficult for the devs to keep up. This made me all nostalgic, just booted up my old 930, that was a tank!!
I absolutely loved the transitions in Windows phones. Made everything feel so fluid and just visually pleasing. One tap on an App and everything around it would just elegantly fall away. I've never seen an Android OS flavor that comes even close to it.
It's amazing to read all of the comments and how everyone misses Windows mobile. I think there needs to be a 3rd mobile OS aside from iPhone or Android. I don't care if Microsoft, Blackberry, or Samsung made it. I would be nice to have more choices is all I'm saying.
Samsung tried with their Tizen OS. Samsung used it on lower end model phone and it worked really great. Sadly it failed. One of the phone running Tizen OS is Samsung Z2. I guess if they made a port of Tizen OS for higher end model phones to show its full potential, it might had a chance.
I really do hope later down the road Microsoft comes back to this to make a windows 11 phone especially since they’re planning on adding android support on windows so the apps will be there
@@ContinuumGaming Yes but Microsoft keeps on cancelling these devices because of the fear that it's gonna fail. If it is gonna fail they are gonna lose a lot of money.
Windows phone are still the best I just keep going back to them best UI please Microsoft bring it back since windows 11 is now very light compared to windows 10
@@ContinuumGaming I wanted it to succeed. I was there with WP7 that stopped receiving updates very soon after purchasing - once WP8 released. I decided to upgrade and we had so many unfulfilled promises. Microsoft prioritised the iOS platform for key apps and then abandoned WP altogether. The Surface Duo looked exciting but they have let down owners with barely any software updates or bug fixes. Foldable screens have won out over dual screens so Microsoft will abandon it.
If they go back to the roots of windows phone, definitely. If they make it less metro and more complicated, not sure. I liked the simplicity and features that were there really worked well. When they started developing more stuff, they lost the main idea imho.
@Temmie Flakes stop talking shit!!! How does google services kill the performance!? The Qualcomm snapdragon chip in this phone was design to run android and all the features around it.
Even the Lumia 920 holds up ok as a dedicated camera. Glad I still have mine laying around. I still use the wireless charger it came with on my S21 Ultra.
I miss my windows phone too but android isn't the unresponsive crap it used to be. Provided you have a decent device, even midrange phones UX is fluid and responsive.
@@codrutx Not with all apps but most apps I use seem to have consistent interfaces since material UI was introduced years ago. There are very few apps I can find (once again, apps that I use) that fall out of consistency.
The case was too difficult. They were stuck with many enterprise users still using Windows Mobile/CE on PDA's and PDA phones. They couldn't just drop them. They tried with skins like on the HTC HD2, but that was too late already since Android was announced as well.
I think the main thing about the first iPhone was the hardware. The screen and multi touch support. The OS was barebones and wasn't really a big deal that time.
@@AninoNiKugi No, it really was the OS. Multitouch was something others had as well. Palm f.e. Capacitive touch screen might have been an experience thing, but they weren't the first with that. Also it didn;t support 3G while in many places HSDPA was available. The hardware wasn't anything special really. But an OS you could use with just your fingers, and wasn't complicated like the existing PDA phones, that was a new thing. The only alternative that was more open were skinned Windows Phone phones, Blackberries (that didn't have touch screen and required BB services) and Symbian UIQ (that still required a stylus).
@@djoetma Well the fact that it was easy to use with touch is because of the capacitive touch screem. The OS didn't really bring anything innovative. Maybe just the multi touch controls like pinch to zoom? You can't install apps, you can't set a wallpaper, you can't copy/paste, and a lot more things you can't do that you can already in the existing mobile OS at that time.
@@anj1300 Yes, Google sabotaged it, e.g. the community made RU-vid app, when Google didn't want to make own. Keep in mind, that the mobile web version of RU-vid didn't work well at the time (e.g. Google took time to implement ads so videos with ads weren't played).
I wanted to learn windows phone development but it didn't work with windows home edition, it wanted windows professional for installing development platform.
The old windows phone UI was really awesome and so much futuristic back then, It had all the modern elements we currently have now. it was pretty much ahead of its time, the only flaw it had was apps on its Appstore but even that they was going to fix by implementing a android emulation but unfortunately they ended it.
Also they slowly removed different apps from their phones - there was Photo managing, Health, travel, etc. apps that were actually good, but Microsoft killed them off to save few bucks. Also there are apps on Windows Phones, that had better and more responsive design than their versions on Android today.
I remember being a part of the beta test for Windows 10 Mobile, and the reason they removed the Android subsystem, which allowed for Android apps to run, was because it would cause the operating system to get extremely slow with time. I don’t know the exact technical reasoning for it, but those builds then were basically unusable after a week or two if you didn’t factory reset.
@@Mendaz I remember how laggy the portable version of apps like Instagram and Facebook was on W10M. By the way, even the system smoothness on W10M decreased compared with WP8 on native smartphones (maybe some work by Microsoft should eliminate this problem).
Wow, i cant belive how good this unfinished UI looks. I wish windows mobile was still around today as an actual competetor to IOS and android, i sure as hell would of loved to see that
@@michaelcorcoran8768 they did but they ultimately had to put more in. They needed to pay developers to actually put apps onto windows mobile because it had a vicious circle of no apps so no users so no apps so no users. They had to bite the bullet and just pay companies to develop apps for Windows mobile and they didn't do enough of that
@@msalmanism Nokia/Microsoft phones always had a lot of features way before apple etc, but we're terrible at advertising it. They're like Sony are now 😆
The Windows Phone home screen was way superior to Android and iOS. Instead of a clutter of identical icons that you can put in folders everywhere, you could resize elements and move them around to make it logical and productive for you. Very underrated and it felt like a massive downgrade when I went over to Android.
I'm not being funny but it looks awesome! I actually like the large clock display. I would definitely buy it - It would be a perfect phone for work! I even like the look of the design on those Lumias.
I’ve owned lumia 1020 for 2+ years and my experience with windows mobile was excellent in terms of smoothness and the phone ran like new even after at the end of my usage. Sadly the lack of app support did get to me and I’ve moved back to android. It’s a shame, seems like a lot of people have enjoyed windows mobile.
I loved my Lumia 525 and I miss it very much. I had it for 5 years! Windowsphone was a great OS. Now I have an iPhone, but I do wish windows would reboot the OS.
agree. I had one and was awesome. Everyone ridiculed the camera bump and now every phone has one. The pictures it took were incredible. Miss Windows Phones.
It's so weird seeing Windows 10 Mobile apps and UIs alongside shadows. While it's interesting to see what Andromeda was, I don't think I'd personally want to use it unless there were a mode to make it more like a standard Windows Phone/10 Mobile experience as I like the tiles being the home screen.
Windows phone will always be my favourite OS because I can go about my entire day doing stuff from MY PHONE, not in some random Dev's app. Forever sad to see it go
It's 2022 and I've still got a lumia 930 in my draw, I love it and it runs 8.1 which is so much nicer than 10. I don't use social media at all, no Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram etc. I would legit use everyday if I could do mobile banking on it. Let's also remember how good that keyboard was!
windows 10X was a more finished OS this. I have been invested in microsoft cancelled operating systems (they're just interesting) and andromeda was the first i discovered so its nice to see someone giving its credits edit: By the way where can i get an ffu for andromeda? lol
Oh wow, the concept of ink/journal first is awesome. It would have helped a lot for the killing of the pen/paper you always need to search everywhere. While the Galaxy Note is good for this, it just a normal phone with ink on top, not at the center.
Ohhh my god windows central uploaded a video related to windows Phone? Are we going back to the past 🥺😭😭😭😭 one of my mooost favorite phones ever. Windows Phone was a pure love ❤️❤️🥺
With OEMs continuing to make good custom firmwares I do think the DUO has a lot of potential to build upon the Andromeda concept even more than they have already.
I still hope one day the successor of Duo will have a native "Windows 11 OS on ARM" running, integrated with WSA (Android subsystem) to allow any sort of app running, be a win32 (emulated hopefully with some capable Snapdragon of that future time), be an Android app, or be an UWP or whatever MS calls them in the future.
@@metinhesenov When I said Win11 I didn't mean the current iteration, but more like just its kernel, the WSA and a completely refreshed UI to allow seamless runs of win32/Android/UWP in a compact device. I'm not expecting this now, more like in 2-3 years, where the compactness of a device capable of this might fit into a Duo-like chassis, who knows.
@@TheMacco26Tbh, a more conventional Z-Fold style foldable would be better for this imo. You can get away with making the thing bigger/thicker (most foldables are basically double the thickness of a regular phone). And the inner screen would be wayyy more seamless for spanning across multiple displays, you could have the UI on the inner screen be a kind of Windows 11-ified version of the windows 10 tablet mode UI. Maybe (this would probably be like 5-8 years out), they could do a 3-way foldable with a ~16:10 internal screen like Huawei is rumored to be working on. You could have an optional typecover accessory that basically just turns it into like a 9-10in Surface Pro running on ARM. Microsoft please make the world's first ever 3-in-1 device (tablet/smartphone/laptop), I would pay So Much Money for this (even More if I can unlock the boot-loader and toss UBPorts Ubuntu touch or something on it)
I loved these phones. I believe they failed only because microsoft asked developers to pay big fees to publish their apps. God phones with empty app store when google and iphone stores had like infinite apps. At the end they made it free but was too late. .... the best os ever
I ditched my android for a Lumia 720 back in the days. Windows was really promising especially on low end devices as like iOS it was really light and required lesser RAM. Sad that it lost the App war which resulted in its death
I used my Lumia 820 for 5 years. My experience was good. My only problem is, it doesn't have that much support on apps, and games on its store. It was a good phone and OS its just that it lacks support.
Tbh, with Windows on ARM taking off and Android emulation being where it is, Installing Windows 11 ARM on one of those things is probably more usable as far as app support goes than when it was new and running WP10
Tbh I don't entirely disagree. I prefer Android out of principle because it's open source, but most android phones are so locked down these days that I have to get a Pixel if I want to install other OSs or Android ROMs (or get root access), so some additional competition might help keep Samsung et al. from getting too greedy. And Windows mobile was lightyears ahead of IOS/Android technologically imo, with *modern* android only just catching up and IOS (imo) still behind. It just sucked to actually use because no one made apps for it and Microsoft either didn't bother to bundle an Android emulator/translation layer for app compatibility, or doing so would have introduced too much performance overhead. Though even BlackBerry 10 had pretty good Android app support, so I doubt it was a performance issue. I've always thought Microsoft gave up on Windows Mobile too quickly, they could have leveraged the massive install base of Windows on the desktop to compete much better than they did in the mobile space. Like, if windows 8 had been more well thought out and not basically burned out everyone on the concept of UWP apps before they even had a chance to get off the ground, they could have transitioned most of the popular desktop windows apps to the mobile-friendly UWP platform, and Windows Phone 10 would have stood a chance and had actually decent native app support
I hate windows philosophy and OS to my core but that windows phone I still so much miss today... what an elegant design and aesthetic... so many memories...
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="273">4:33</a> I think Galaxy Note have that similar feature, except that is ofc bundled with their One UI firmware, not built in Android from the ground up.
I’m fairly committed to the apple ecosystem. I’ve got the watch, the phone, the iPad and the MacBook…. But I tell you what…. Microsoft’s Windows Phone OS is worth breaking my ecosystem up for. I miss my Lumia 925 dearly. I still use a photo I took on that phone as my background. Build quality has to be at least on par with iPhones. UI experience was so fluid. Well optimized. BEAUTIFUL. First time I saw “dark mode” In all honesty, it could have been a bigger hit than android by this time. Like, I want to cry I miss it so bad. Please come back.
What’s a shame is that Microsoft probably still holds the rights to andromeda and the team working on it couldn’t just simply take their idea to another company like Samsung. This could work with more time and maybe a few different people to think outside the box. Maybe turn it into an app as opposed to built in the OS
We're at the point hardware wise now where Windows 11 can just run straight up on the Duo 2. It should have shipped that way instead of Android. The Windows on Lumia project has done more for "Windows phone" than Microsoft ever did...
Microsoft’s beta projects are more interesting than their actual released products. Windows 10x and Andromeda OS being the most interesting ones to me recently.
Need Microsoft to bring this back for Windows 11. A mobile like form of Windows would be awesome on a next-gen duo. Or even one in partnership with Google where it runs android apps via Microsoft store. So much potential that shouldn’t be forgotten.
Microsoft gave up to easily man... I was ok with the windows phone back then when it didn't have popular apps, for some reason I was thankful because it limited my phone usage.
From Samsung Omnia to Lumina 925 to Lumia 950XL it was a different era, Lumia OS was way ahead of time and the magic Zeiss did with the camera what they are not able to achieve till date with Android... Microsoft plz hear us... It is for sure if Lumia comes back, it's gonna be a huge hit this time...
Apart from the apps shortage the windows experience was very good. It was not slow in cheap devices too that was blowing my mind away!!! I don't know others but the lumia 430 the budget phone had a snappy performance for daily use. The biggest reason for leaving the phone was due to the lack of availability of proper useful apps.
I would need this sooo badly, I only use apps like browser, youtube, media players, gmail and some office tools for the workflow, occasionally taking photos. This would be perfect for me, I like the clean look, layout and gestures :-O
