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As a woman, I was put on a hiring committee in physics (I'm in humanities) not for the appropriate reason--to make sure specialists can talk to non-specialists in a liberal arts college--but to insure that the woman would be hired. The man was clearly a better teacher and researcher and I said so. I said, "I did well in two math courses in high school taught by men and badly in one taught by a woman because the former were BETTER TEACHERS. That's what someone really needs." Guy turned out to be a star who wrote award-winning work on how to make physics accessible. (I told him years later he owed me his job and we had a good laugh!). QUALITY is what counts.
I like what John says about human curiosity and wanting to see differentness and newness (to me) in what I read, and watch, and listen to. Reading novels especially allows you to travel to different places and times, and see the world from different perspectives. At the same time, there is a certain comfort in seeing someone with similarities to you in great works - I experienced this reading some of Alice Munro’s stories about small town Ontario girls.
Yep. The point of good, challenging literature is to make you understand and empathize with what's NOT like you, rather than to wallow in a Rorschach blot.
Amen to all this!! As an old white lady, I sure don’t want or need to see old white women everywhere. I love seeing people from other cultures, other ways of dressing, other types of food, other types of music. Why would God create such diversity? It enriches our lives. It is the spice of life.
As a child I never wanted to hang out with other kids, much to the frustration of my parents, I wanted to hang out with adults because I already knew the things kids my age knew and there was nothing more to learn from them. I never liked living in a place where most people are the same - although many people do like living in homogeneous places. I always wanted to meet different people. However, when looking for a job as an older candidate it was disheartening (putting it mildly) to see no one in any companies who looked like me unless they were the owner. But these are two different kinds of situations.
Imagine what will happen when the vast majority of people under 30 in this country can’t much read, write or do math. They won’t be able to communicate their thoughts effectively with one another. That will lead to frustration, which will lead to violence.
I would like to humbly and respectfully posit one minor challenge to something that McWhorter said at the 3:53 mark. He stated that no one told DuBois that he was not black enough, and that if anyone did, it was someone white. Actually, that is not completely accurate. Marcus Garvey was a sworn enemy of DuBois', and he constantly criticized Dubois for not being black enough. Garvey referred to DuBois as a "lazy dependent mulatto." He also castigated the NAACP and claimed that the only "black" leadership allowed in the organization was people who were almost white like DuBois.
Nobody that ever achieved a breakthrough saw "someone like me" who did it. Edmund Hillary or Barack Obama, it doesn't matter, they didn't wait for someone else to lead the way.
Glad Glenn and John are citing great black authors, and champions of black culture and rights, who read great books NOT about them by great authors NOT about them--which is where they got the breadth of culture and ideas to resist the racism around them. Shows the utter reduction to absurdity of identity politics. Apparently, Hamlet should only be performed by Danish men.
Unfortunately no party is totally innocent and you are your skin color to some on both sides of the political parties, but yes you are MORE than a skin color.
On the contrary - struggling to ignore skin color / race has forced me to recognize just how real race actually is - at least to non-huite ppl. Stereotypes emerge organically and from reinforcement.
If you let ppl define you than you are as they tell you, you are. “ you are what you want to be” unfortunately sometimes there are obstacles and challenges you need to overcome, but that’s the struggle of life and civilization. Race is a social construct that someone defined ages ago and ppl accepted because that’s what they were told in some book. That includes all pp.
My concern with the statement that it’s better to see a person like yourself should be qualified by how that representation was achieved. The happy accident of competition based solely on merit resulting in diversity is legitimate. If not at what cost? If a candidate is disadvantaged by their demographic representation against another equally or less meritorious candidate it is illegitimate. The answer to past racism and current disparities cannot be more racism if we ever hope to achieve harmony.
I am no psychiatrist or psycologists; but it seems to me that this idea that "I need to see people who look like me" is routed in a form of narcisism. I am black and the race of others in the room is of no significance to me.
Does a ppl incapable of realizing that same tech have a history that should matter that much to those who were capable of it? What happens to the people bestowed with that tech if they haven't created it for themselves? What have blacks done with tech like the gun, the car, and the obamaphone?
@@freddieoblivion6122 What do you mean by "bestowed"? I asked a PhD economist to explain how an automobile engine worked. He couldn't even start. But he drove an SUV that was Whiter than he was. Having and using technology is not understanding it. Does Putin understand nuclear bombs?
Maybe, it would be better if we didn't focus so much on 'identity'. I certainly don't see myself as you might define my "identity" based on superficial characteristics. And I don't think of myself as defined by my race and sexual preferences.
This view of I need to see someone like me to advance is a defeated uninspiring view and attitude, it’s the “monkey see monkey do” ( not ment to be offensive, sorry) . The marketing campaign of “ if you see her you can be her”, is so uninspiring, actually deeming to girls and women as to their abilities . Emilia Earhart did not see a woman pilot before she flew. Madam Currie did not see other woman scientists etc….If this was the attitude by intelligent ppl, then we would not have made the advances we have.
I disagree. We're not living in a construct of oppressed vs. oppresser. Therefore, it makes sense to see people of all walks of life reaching their highest potential. So, in that sense, the representation is better and what we'd expect. This isn’t because someone is holding their thumb on the scale. "Let a thousand flowers bloom" is my argument.
@@cragnosliw4685 But John did not simply say it's better that everyone reach their highest potential regardless of race. He said it's better to have "representation". And what does representation mean? To make present that which is not. In other words, it isn't sufficient that everyone reach their highest potential, blacks *must* also be represented, if they are not, that's worse.
As much as I agree with everything Glenn is saying here, it always puzzles me that when he's not fully onboard with colorblindness. He insists people not define themselves by race, and yet he does it himself all the time, and argues there's a something about it he just can't abandon. Why not? If he argued it based on his 70 year of life identifying with being "black", okay. But that's not what he does.
Much of the POC diversity conversation today is a well hone script as to how we should operate based on our racial identification. I think John referred to this as the well curated persona of victimhood. The teacher looking like the student is a charade for poor results. It is a cover.
Equity in outcome and even distribution and representation that is the exact same percentage that a particular racial segment consists of in a population is an irrational and unnatural expectation. There’s an over representation of Filipina women in the Nursing field. There’s multiple variables which contribute to this. They are underrepresented in Healthcare Advertising agencies comparable to the percentage of the overall population. Same thing goes for NASCAR, the Space industry, the defense industry and the executive class of hospitality professionals. DEI activists would lazily assert that systemic racism is to blame. This is such a stupid idea that it makes my brain hurt. The expectation that if your race composes 13% of the population that you should also have at least 13% of the jobs in agriculture or botany or pancreatic surgery is just ridiculous. It’s irrational.
@@nestorbrown4718 I would argue that representation is equity in opportunity, not outcome. You are using representation to give people who traditionally would not be in a specific field an image that they can be in that field. This creates an idea and potentially motivation to explore that field. Additionally, if the company finds representation to be important they may invest in diversity. Which could range from advertising toward a specific demographic or investing in the primary education system to make sure diverse people are getting equitable education. If you leave things to natural outcomes, then you will never see a diverse workforce. As people with more opportunities will continue to obtain jobs, where people with less opportunities will be fighting for those fewer spots. Also, I would not consider having an overrepresentation of Filipina women in nursing as natural. Typically when there is a low supply of domestic workers for service jobs(nursing, bookkeeping, customer service etc),US companies will find employees from countries with similar skills\training. US companies are able to hire these workers at a lower cost and working visas are easier to obtain with allied countries (like the Philippines). As time passes, other people from these countries see this opportunity and start to obtain the same skills\training hoping that they too can be hired by a US company. The Representation of those first hired helped motivate others to the field.
@@nestorbrown4718 Lastly, I think Glenn and John operate from the position that there are not enough qualified people of color to take up these spaces. However they never examine why that may be except for this bad culture argument, and how to fix it.. One, I disagree. I believe companies are not looking effectively for this talent. They need to invest in diversity if they want it. They cannot expect to find diverse talent looking in the same places they always look. This is what DEI initiative was originally about: examining diversity in the workplace and finding ways to make things more equitable. I think many initiatives early on were made in earnest until companies saw the price tag. Then it got co-op for a cheaper great value version which led to these stories about quota mandates and online white guilt training. I do not think DEI needs to be thrown out, rather revertback to it intended purpose. But we can not rely on things working naturally, as this system was created naturally. You need some type of manufactured change.
@nestorbrown4718 Lastly, I think Glenn and John operate from the position that there are not enough qualify people of color to take up these spaces. However they never examine why that may be except for this bad culture argument. One, I disagree. I believe companies are not looking effectively for this talent. They need to invest in diversity if they want it. They cannot expect to find diverse talent looking in the same places they always look. This is what DEI initiative was originally about: examining diversity in the workplace and finding ways to make things more equitable. I think many initiatives early on were made in earnest until companies saw the price tag. Then it got co-op for a cheaper great value version which led to these stories about quota mandates and online white guilt training. I do not think DEI needs to be thrown out, rather revertback to it intended purpose. But we can not rely on things working naturally, as this system was created naturally. You need some type of manufactured change.
@@ba5140 I appreciate your reply here. I will say that Glenn has often explored the contributing factors as to why there might not be enough people of a particular segment, in particular African Americans, to fill certain roles. With various guests he has entertained ideas around natural inclination towards specific industries and roles and how culture, socioeconomics and various individual preferences and group trends impact the pursuits and ambitions of segments of people. As for DEI, it’s literally Latin for “god” or “deity” and that’s by design as its adherents are as John points out, religiously inclined towards fanaticism to the point of being irrationally and unjust. Diversity itself is a fluidly subjective term where many envision a reversal of the majority (via a revolutionary upheaval of the hegemony) as “diversity” and actually are driven by mercenary motives and economic revenge rather than utopian ideals about diversity. Boeing is one example of a company and an industry being destroyed by emphasis on DEI at the expense of safety and equality. Fortune 500’s conducting anti racism struggle sessions over the last 4 years have used materials citing an ever growing list of the pillars of so called “white supremacy” wherein you could find everything from individualism to love of the written word to timeliness and emphasis on quality! Communism is a religion, and while Neo-Marxists might share words with the rest of us, they do not share the definitions which they change fluidly to invoke angst and to push their agenda which they will tell you that they do not have to explain. It’s never the thing with these leftist activists, it’s always the revolution.
PLEASE JUST FOLLOW THOMAS SOWELL . HE IS TALKING ABOUT THE BLACK WHO STAYED IN GERMANY.THERE ARE NOT A SUBCULTURE THERE. AND THEY DID JUST FIND, BETTER THAN IN AMERICA WITH THERE JUST DO NOT ACT WHITE. MAYBIE SEND THEM BOTH BLACK AND WHITE TO MILITARY FOR 2 YEARS WITH A LOT OF SPORT.EXCUSE MY ENGLISH AND MY BIG LETTERS I WAS OPERATE FOR CATARACT.
I am African, and where I’m from, you’re not your skin color. However, in America, a culture that subordinated people for centuries based solely on skin color, to a large extent, you are your skin color. Just be a black man strolling in “white” neighborhood… The stares, gasps, and looks of concern is palpable!!
What sort of white neighborhood? Is this a rural, impoverished little town in the hills out in the country where everyone knows one another and are buried in the same family plots for hundreds of years? Or, is it a leafy suburb in the Northeast where media executives, celebrities, and the IVY educated leadership class live with plenty of setback for their Tudor estates and Victorian mansions? I could cite 40 such townships and a black man walking around wouldn’t cause the slightest concern or raised eye brow. Have you been to America or just seen it on RU-vid?
As a child I never wanted to hang out with other kids, much to the frustration of my parents, I wanted to hang out with adults because I already knew the things kids my age knew and there was nothing more to learn from them. I never liked living in a place where most people are the same - although many people do like living in homogeneous places. I always wanted to meet different people. However, when looking for a job as an older candidate it was disheartening (putting it mildly) to see no one in any companies who looked like me unless they were the owner. But these are two different kinds of situations.
