Even before Lingsha, we already can do a full 40k run of side 2 with Firefly Himeko Ruan Mei HMC team. Lingsha makes that even easier. It's such an odd decision to drop Ruan Mei where nothing is going wrong
thing is, about every change you could do to make it difficult to clear with argenti was made, bad weakness distribution, essentially useless buffs (not just weak, horrible), and bad enemies for him, so seeing his avarage be so close to 30k should just be an indicator to how good he actually is
I want to point out something that pokke intentionally glosses over here, which is the fact that argenti had an average of 32-36k for every single pure fiction phase up until these last 2, which were his absolute best and worst case scenarios. Him ignoring that and arguing that theres no consistency when the entire history of pure fiction has had him consistently scoring in that range is highly disingenious.
@BuiltSimilarG so you either misunderstood what I said or what pokke said. What pokke says at the exact point you timestamped is precisely what I posted this in response to. He specifically says that his average is only high because he hit 40k during last rotation and then went on a rant about how you want characters that are consistent and explicitly calls argenti not consistent when the entire history of pure fiction up until the current and previous cycle he has been the epitome of consistent. Nowhere does he acknowledge this in his entire rant.
PF this time is brutal, four dinos on one side was not OK and I could not do anything on the other side before I built superbreak Himeko. In the end I got 64k, but I hated how much it shilled Lingsha and Rappa. Thankfully I managed to brute force the dinos with Yunli and get enough points with Superbreak Himeko, but that shit was not fun
@@DobinSergei She is an easy skip, she can be replaced by any combination of Himeko, Firefly, Gallaghar in a superbreak team on the second side, it's the first side that people are having issues with.
Agree with prydwen's take on Argenti. Already stated by others, but I have to reiterate that Argenti has been very consistent before this, and last pf and this pf have been his best and worst situations, and him still achieving sub 30k in this pure fiction just further justifies the tier 0.
@@tuananhdang7385 guy said: "last pf and this pf have been his best and worst (respectively)" Either poor reading comprehension or poor English literacy move from you.
@@tuananhdang7385 That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that last pf is his best pf, and this pf is his worst. Yet, he still did well this pf which is his worst, and we obviously saw his potential at his best.
@@popsikern5848 oh, then I agree😭 MrPokke talks about comfortability, but all Argenti needs is literally a Tingyun and any other buffer, dual, dps or sustain.
@@LucasGomes-ng2go Can't see Hoyo creating a specialist break support that'll replace Ruan Mei anytime soon. Even Tingyun, who's been leaked as a dedicated break support, is predicted to replace HTB instead of her. RM's break efficiency and break delay must be matched for any potential upgrade to be worthwhile. However, at that point, the new unit would be too close to current RM, so it's unlikely Hoyo will double-dip like this.
@@LucasGomes-ng2go Though RM is a dedicated break support, and like kingsimba said, it's more likely for harmony TB to get replaced rather than Ruan, as we saw that Galachad lost to Lingsha, well, mostly lost to her.
@kingsimba9513 HTB buffs superbreak and gives superbreak. It would never make sense to take him out of a superbreak team to add another superbreak support. But with tingyun, you will need able play a team with boothill, ruan mei and bronya and another with ff, htb and tingyun 5*.
@@celsosousamendonca4738 I mean, leaks have indicated that Tingyun will be a HTB upgrade. This is also inevitable as Hoyo needs to free up the TB for the new path.
I just love how Prydwen tried to explain why RM was dropped from 0-0.5, without having a reasonable explanation. They really just gave the fandom the biggest "idgaf" moment 😭
Argenti literally has everything going against him this pf and still has good averages. 1. This current pf effect is giga dogshit 2. He literally has zero buffs that benefit him out of the 3 you can pick while break and FuA get hella buffed 3. The fucking Dinos need to be ulted 3 times just to break them unless you have Ruan Mei, then it takes 2, but she should be in the second side with the super breakers 4. Back to the Dinos, they exploit Argenti’s biggest weakness which is his lack of energy supports because you have to waste ult doing zero damage until you break the Dinos then use more ults to finally kill them.
@BigSpore yes every character has to deal with that off element... did you think argenti was special? If someone like yunli could use the weakness ignore on ult shed curbstomp this pf. She already can get 40k without it.
Ruan Mei should be Tier 0 in Pure Fiction for no other reason than allowing relatively "safe" no-sustain runs. The difference is night and day for me when I don't play her... every time I try to do no sustain without her, I pop a vein and have to reset several times + pray to RNGesus.
Yeah, DoTcheron + Ruan Mei has been my go to team for Pure Fiction whenever I see Lightning weak stage. Just constantly dealing damage and breaking without worrying about survival, and they always managed to get high 30k score, if not straight up clear the whole thing
Bro, why is Lingsha T0 and Harmony Mc T1.5 ? What worth does Lingsha have without harmony MC ?! She's out here piggybacking on Firefly's fire implant and Harmony MC's super break and then prydwen kicks those two to the curve. Harmony Mc has also been a life saver for many people this pure fiction
The thing is that they cant really put FF or Harmony MC in T0 because people may be misled and think that they are T0 in PF on their own. While the reason why the team is good in PF is mostly because of Lingsha.
@@UltimatePollo3495 I am starting to believe that they should straight up rank team comps rather than single characters because this just confuses new players. I agree that Linsha will not be a T0 DPS without fire weakness implant, but she is categorized as Sustain, and I think that even without fire weak enemies her performance is on par with Aventurine who is also in T0. Also if the enemies are not weak to fire and you don't have FF you could still always have another DPS break the enemies and Lingsha deal good super break damage.
Crit lingsha is surprisingly great In aoe content. Also lingsha works well with fua, so she is quite diverse in teams she could fit in. Her only being in superbreak is quite limited thinking. It like say aventurine is only good in fua when you know acheron loves having him as well.
They realized they ran out of time to promote Argenti to T0 when he's been performing well in the past. Now they panic promote. Should just base it on current reset. As someone who have been spamming Argenti every PF, this is the one he struggled with.
Pure fiction is heavily reliant on type weaknesses and buffs for certain units to shine. I think they are ranking them based on consistency rather than just the most current results. There is no one unit that can perform with high points at e0s0 for every single pure fiction, just good enough points
Random thought, what if when Elio is released in 2047, his kit is to reverse action values (eg. Assume Unit A next turn is 10 AV later, Unit B is 20AV later, etc, the atk order would be: Unit A turn, Unit B turn, Unit C turn, Elio skill, Unit C turn, Unit B turn, Unit A turn
25:51 this is honestly a big problem that needs to be adressed alot more........how the game starts catering to one archetype and it screws everyone else over And if u dont have that meta archetype then u just lose
@@flatdefgod2960 tbf dot just isn’t good to begin with and with such a small pool of units, you’re forced to need Black Swan due to lack of options. If we look at follow-up, there are many options for both 4 and 5 star units. Also, dot never had a high ceiling to begin with so obviously dot was never going to outperform other archetypes that required heavier investment.
@@TacticalDimples I don't remember which season pf but I barely made 60040 points😂 Maybe first season pf where u need sustain 🤮that disgusting dot buff( adv forward enemy after receiving DMG)
@@invin_2940 nope imagine break comp without Ruan Mei or no limited 5" sustain like aven/huohuo That's my friend account lvl70 btw he miss 1 item to complete the puzzle HSR now=puzzle game
PF is supposed to be erudition mode but they dropped the number of enemies at a time and gave us more tanky boss enemies. I had to bring Hunt characters like Feixiao instead to deal with the dinos. Feixiao already dominating AS and MoC and can’t even leave PF crumbs for erudition!
If your Shocked with RM going down to T0.5, I think the release of Rappa and this & next PFs being Break leaning May lead to RM rising back up to T0 for a bit, but I do agree that Robin's on a Tier of her own in PF.
I don't agree Without the cycle/wave reset in MoC to extend Robin's ult duration, it becomes more difficult to maintain her Ult uptime, so you have to work extra to give energy to her. An E0S0 won't be able to do as smooth a run as E0S0 Ruan Mei, especially in this PF season I think it's a matter of timing of when they do this change that makes it baffling
@TheAnaz41745 the ult duration is pretty easy to maintain if you're using a fua team like herta. If you're using her outside of fua just use gallagher with quid pro quo I've rarely encountered a situation where I had an ult down time in PF and I don't have her sig lc.
This pure fiction was really tough for non-toughness break characters. Those purple dinosaurs slowed you down horribly unless you could break them fast. It's why Feixiao actually did ok here. It was hard even for my Argenti to get 34k.
the thing is, If I remember it correctly, this is probably the first one PF has Superbreak buffs. before this is like 20 buffs for follow up and 10 buffs for DOT
And somehow she's "T0.5" in PF lol. Literally dosen't need the help of wimsicality to easily get 30k+ compared to other T0 units yet got lowered for some reason. I have no idea what Prydwen were thinking when they made that decision
yeah with jiaoqui now she probably will clear every pure fiction just because she gets her ult so many times, you get her ult like every two times she goes and its insane
The average score changes just prove that most HSR players cant cook. I have gotten the 80k max every single time as f2p, all it takes is team building, choosing the right buff, and not using auto. I think most players still dont take it seriously and just slap teams together on auto, calling it day as long as they get 3 stars.
@@ParasocialLadyboysWompwomp That's exactly what he's talking about, people don't take Pure Fiction seriously. When I play the end game content, as easy as it may be, I will put in my best teams and not slack off on gameplay.
Is there something I'm missing? Why is Foxboy only seen good with Aceron? His kit does pretty good as a generalist. Could do better sure. But a buff to ult damage and constant vulnerability debuff is helpful across the board. Why I at least agree with JQ getting pushes up.
Ruan Mei's dropping a tier with that reason isn't considerable lmao They should've stated their in depth functions instead of comparing their performance since their niche at their own comps
25:50 this! In past 3 month 70% of changes(buffs) were for superbreak and 30% for FuA. Every unit without this mechanics are garbage now (JIngliu, DoTs, Seele). If I hadn't Acheron i would probably drop the game
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As a long time serval main, she got me around 37k this pf. Idk why she dropped down, lightning weak and you can battery her w tingyun for constant ults, or bronya for skills.
@@idonotmakevidsyet ahh ok makes sense then. Still though I dont understand the logic that jingyuan drops down, and serval is better than him in pf but is 2 tiers below
@@spaceglidinmio2388 Anyone can do that. Some characters have little to no data and that character's entire performance in the data is all up to a handful of bad players. She's far from bad and should be way higher, placing her below Qingque makes no sense at all.
@@sct77 I'm going to guess there's a huge gap in power between median Serval output and yours. Long time ago I remember seeing people clear MOC 10 with Serval doing damage that I couldn't even conceive was possible. It's just the level of personal investment, relic quality and dedication needed to raise some units above their unfortunately low floors is not going to be reflected in huge dataset.
Argenti had physical weakness last PF so ofcourse his average points where high (39k) while on this one, even without physical weakness, he still clears with 30k points. So the T0 placement makes sense even with the points drop. If there's anything to complain about, its that yunli isn't with him in T0. She cleared better than argenti this and last PF.
The firefly weakness implant is completely worthless, there are 5 enemies and you're implanting (and breaking) one per firefly turn at E0, Ligsha's ass is not Tier 0 unless there's a whole side fire weak 💀
@@Bot-vc9do A2 Major trace Module α: Antilag Outburst During the Complete Combustion, attacking enemies that have no Fire Weakness can also reduce their Toughness, with the effect being equivalent to 55% of the original Toughness Reduction from abilities.
i think when it comes to avarage it should be 5 instead of the last 3 phases because that draws a much better picture if it was either one phase that buffed a unit super high or was it just one phase that was really bad for a unit
I don't get the Serval changes. Every PF that is lightning weak she seems to be able get a 40k clear. Is it just the fact she's likely used by newer players who don't have options so it lowers the average score?
I've just finished a PF run using Herta + Feixiao. It honestly scares me how I managed to get 40k even though there is no wind or ice weakness in the first half. Feixiao is honestly too good for all endgames contents
Obsidian is bleed dot last infinity stone for dot team trust 💀 (im coping) but yeah im a DoT main and ive been clearing everything since i built the team so
serval dropping is absolutely dogwater as far as picks are concerned we just got a free lightcone from the SU shop that she loves its just a matter of dot not having a harmony/preservation yet still best friends with kafka, that will never change.
Prydwin hasn't had a single none- controversial tier list since 1.0, i swtg. These people have the most random ahh placements relative to even their OWN data...not to mention their complete lack of desire to change their limiting criteria for main tierlists as well the complete ignorance towards certain units like tingyun who is still very much t 0.5 supp to this day without question and dps units like misha, seele , xueyi and many others that are just presented as either mid or just outright bad when it's objectively false. Not strictly speaking about PF but in general here. Speaking of which, how the fk...does ruan mei go down when linghsa is up there purely due to ruan mei's existence and without her ALL break is mid (except boothill cause he's him) . What kind of logic or deduction skills are they using to make these lists? Flavor of the month looking ahh list.
I genuinely dont understand RM dropping for PF. Probably to generate controversy and garner attention or something. Especially considering how Lingsha is in T0.
Twice in a row, the main PF buff is basically useless for Yunli. Twice in a row, she destroys the mode for me. She got an easy 40K last time, in this rotation while brute forcing the dinos she got 37K for me. I think with slightly better play I could get 40K were I so inclined. 0 or 0.5 tier, it doesn't matter, this rotation was just as bad for her as for Argenti and she still clears. Anyway, looking forward to a DoT buffed PF in the future where the enemies are action advanced and Yunli cleans up once again.
The last pf was for ultimate(with a buff for follow up), this pf is for break with a buff that follow up can ignore weakness. How can you say that twice in a row pf buff was basically useless for yunli?
@@celsosousamendonca4738 The wording of the buff on the previous PF was "When allies use their Ultimate to attack an enemy target" you built shatter points. Yunli doesn't actually benefit from this: she doesn't use her ultimate to attack (it does count as ultimate damage, however, which I understand is confusing), rather her ultimate enhances her counter. It's a tricky difference, but the end result is that no, she got no benefit from that PF buff
@@celsosousamendonca4738 also for the same reason she can not use the "ignore enemy target's weakness when launching ultimate attacks" minor buff in this current PF
The players below 65k total pts are so overwhelming to a point that this data Prydwen showing is not even helping us to know which are the better units for a specific season.
Serval one shocked me. Last PF I used her no problem, but this PF my Acheron does better than her. But she's still the queen of lightning DPS that carried my acc nonetheless
I wouldn't consider myself a Serval main but I do use her when a half has lightning weak on PF. I think her being in T4 is insane, I feel like she should be T2. She has a very spammable ult with a large amount of break thats also very good at triggering Himeko follow ups. Her ultimate spam also helps greatly with Shatter rotations as well as her being able to apply DoT helps with DoT rotations. Also RM should 100% be T0 still.
Mid Juan fell off so hard even Pokke feels bad mocking him lol. His kit is just terrible and buffs will only make him decent for a short period of time because all they do is buff his dmg, they cannot fix how awful LL is.
They said Argenti was T0 because even and his worse matchup, he is getting around 30k. The deviation does not really matter if the lowest is still hitting the minimum passing score.
Can we let superbreak rest for a little bit please. We already got two MoC back to back for superbreak, a whole new endgame mode that favours it with a passion of a burning sun in Apoc Shadow, a whole fucking Sim Uni expansion that fucked every other strategy in favor of superbreak, and now this PF that fucked every single top team for the mode to, again, make superbreak the META. I'm so fucking tired of it, I dont want to play superbreak anymore, let me play anything else
@@peak407and the previous two MoC were for Superbreak, in fact they were literally identical. I'm not crying, I can clear this shit, its not hard, but its also not fun either, and the data shows it. Where is the fucking fun in using the same fucking team comp every single time or getting giga cucked if you dare try anything else. Buffs should be general so we can try a lot of different things, playing "you break or you lose" for the 54th consecutive time is so fucking boring
- pokke want to add more strict criteria for t0 char, have to have 30k point every single time PF phase - by the criteria, if someday in the future in one PF phase, the most powerfull char Herta get just 25k average point because of something, is that mean herta is straigh up have to drop down her tier ? I think no - based on "consisntent" criteria by pokke if we see many many char have points down thats mean all char in apex who have point down have to down their tier because not consistent right ? - if we want to be fair majority char in this PF now is have decline point so should no up for those chars, not just argenti IMO what make this happen is - new buff , player not yet adapt the new buff - firefly enable, many PF phase before firefly is bad for PF but not this phase, player who use others char before, use firefly now - last PF is so easy even seele is shine and argenti get almost 40k, now we have new buff, the dinos, so the point drop is no surprise
My Clara freaking brute forced the dinos and got me consistent 28k clears. I won't take any Clara slander from anyone >:( But jokes aside, this PF was rough...
I really don't understand why jing yuan is dropping so low in every mode, last pf I got 40k score in pf with him, every patch people 0 cycle with him, last as I got sub 300 or 400 score with him. Granted I've invested I shitload in our general to the point of having a top 25 build according to seeleland with decent investment he can 40k pf and he can 0 cycle moc, that's gotta be higher than t2
Yeah so 2 things. 1, the list always does s0 e0 for 5 stars. Makes quite a difference. And 2, gotta remember this is data across the board. Just because my gepard carried me in moc doesn't mean he is top tier. Results vary.
@@GodofGoblins I get that but when you look at the units in the same tier as him. In moc they have himeko at the same tier as jing yuan, in pure fiction he's on jing liu's level and in AS he's under argenti. There is no way himeko and him are on the same level, I could give her his bonkers relics and his signature light cone, there is no way in he'll her results are anywhere near as good as his. For pf you would have to be insane to think that he's on jingliu's level, all his abilities affect all 5 enemies, ult clears all 5 so does lightning lord even without 10 stacks and if you stack enough buffs even the skill can kill all 5 (granted it'll usually take 2), I have a built jingliu and she is objectively worse than jingyuan in pure fiction, no debate. For as I get that he isn't as good and t2 is probably deserved although he can get some very good scores, but in what world is argenti better? Jing yuan's single target damage is much, much better compared to argenti who won't be foing much damage once the ads are all gone. I wouldn't dream of jing yuan being t0 or even t1, but he deserves better than t2, that or stat bringing down a few units at his tier or higher to make the tierlist actually reflect how good he is in comparison.
@@lemonlover052 nah that kinda lines up. Himeko has a super break build that performs ok in MOC due to the recent super break support. Aps especially this month is focused on the gimmick with aventurine, so aoe is particularly good there with the dice. And argenti is better at aoe overall than Jing. Jing is slower with getting his aoe off, whereas argenti he can cast ult every turn with easy set up. And on the phantalia section super break is supreme there, which again, himeko has a solid build for. And then pure fiction, well they explained there reasoning there. And again, this is s0 e0 characters they are analyzing. And Jing is just kinda slow right now to clear the content. Totally possible, but I see why other characters on average are performing better.
