THIS is the Cheapest 8-Port 10Gbase-T 10GbE Switch

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We found the cheapest 8-port 10Gbase-T switch that is managed and has a cheap PoE+ option for less than a third of what competitive solutions would cost. This is crazy! It may just be the new #homelab switch of choice.
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00:00 Introduction
01:38 Pricing
03:20 External Hardware Overview
05:58 Internal Hardware Overview
07:38 Power Consumption and Noise
09:44 10GbE Performance
10:47 Management Web Interface
12:48 Key Lessons Learned
14:21 Wrap-up
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@pjfonline 5 месяцев назад

The prices doubled since this video....

@PsychoStreak Год назад

I'm one of those that kept asking for this type of switch. 10Gbase-T gets more people in the game without the need for new cabling, or media converters. Add a few 10Gb NICs to your systems and this is a drop in upgrade for a small LAN or lab setup. Netgear or a similar company is just leaving money on the table by not getting a design like that certified, slap a warranty on it and painting it in their color scheme. I'd snap one up quickly for my home setup.

@post-leftluddite 7 месяцев назад

Agreed, it seems like these switch makers are so reluctant to push 10GBase-T switches for the home....it seems like every low cost 10gig switch comes with SFP+, and you can't run DACs in your walls and 99.99% of home owners are not running fiber....I just don't get it

@seantellsit1431 Год назад

Fire! Overall great video, great intro, killer steal of a product, and as always, your charisma is unmatched.

@RamaOlama Год назад

Nice, it's perfect, thank you for the info! Perfect manageable homelab switch with Poe 😍

@joshhardin666 Год назад

ZOMG! this is EXAAAACTLY WHAT I WANTED!!! (i've been complaining on the 2.5g switch video comments about how there's no cheap and decent-enough 10g switches around) THANK YOU for reviewing this! this looks fantastic!

@-GBD- Год назад

I'd much prefer one with SFP+... Much lower power and latency 🤷🏼‍♂️

@Mrtickleberries 9 месяцев назад

Be aware the fans in this unit are loud! I swapped them out for noctuas that helped a lot but even then, I can still hear this in the next room

@TdrSld Год назад

Just to note, it looks as thought the fan headers are on the non POE board for the second set of fans. They are just below the power supply input on the main board, so if you get you two more fans for the non POE as long as you can get he right header connector you should be GTG.

@MrDirectNL Год назад

This is exactly why I love this channel ! Ordered both of them. Thanks !

@yahlov 7 месяцев назад

wow.. totally what i'm looking for. THANKS!

@bjornroesbeke Год назад

It's about time these 10Gbit (semi-) managed switches started coming down in price! In my case the PoE version is currently priced at € 320,48 + 40,13 shipping. That's still not cheap imo, but it is finally in my price range. That's 110 more than what i paid for my SG300-52P gigabit switch. Hasivo will probably increase their prices now that we're all going to place our orders, based on this video!

@photojoseph 8 месяцев назад

I think you're right about them boosting the price… right now I see it at €425 _including_ shipping, so that's €65 more than you saw it three months ago!

@hateWinVista Год назад

Damn, Realtek really is dominating in these budget solutions.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

Agree, and I think this was the first comment!

@One_Guy Год назад

yeah RealTek is sure stepping up their game big time!

@blunden2 Год назад

Don't they also dominate a lot of the consumer 1Gbe switch market as well in terms of switch chips? I admittedly haven't looked into it in detail, but that was my understanding.

@autohmae Год назад

has been for decades

@FrenziedManbeast Год назад

Thanks for taking the time to do price options and alternatives for the video. That will help keep this video relevant as market changes over months/years to let people see relative costs over time. I enjoyed this video, and was thinking this morning you could probably do a few high quality "long-term" reviews on products you've had silently running for months/years. I know there's a constant revolving door of things coming and going for you, but consumers (such as myself) value reliability over sticker price highly. Hearing from you about the "silent warriors" of your business that just work and don't require constant attention could be extremely useful. This could also be an opportunity to talk about the STH Editor's Choice awards and show us a bit more behind the curtain as to what it takes for you to give the nod to the best of the best.

@blunden2 Год назад

It's nice to see that you can build good 10GBase-T switches using a cheap platform. Since it's likely based on someone else's reference design, hopefully other lesser known manufacturers (Mokerlink, etc.) will use the same design but go through the effort of regulatory compliance testing for a slight mark-up. I doubt the well-known brands will do so until these type of switches become more readily available.

@jimatperfromix2759 Год назад

As far as seconding the motion that more manufacturers (especially ones whose products can be bought on Amazon or Walmart or Best Buy), I'd say, yeah, why would would anybody buy an 8-port 2.5 Gbps switch when you could get one that handles 10 Mbps, 100 Mbps, 1 Gbps, 2.5 Gbps, 5 Gbps and 10 Gbps instead for a couple bucks more? It seems to me that the NetGears and TP-Links and Linksyses of the world have really dropped the ball on the potential of the Prosumer marketplace. You didn't mention, did you test it for full switch-speed bandwidth from all 8 in to all 7 others out? One would think it would have to meet that spec to be called a switch, but who knows about these cheap ones - maybe no regulatory certs means not guaranteed to do anything in particular. You say it operates at layer 3, which would be good if done right, but what if it's really only a router, not a switch-when-you-can-otherwise-route box? How good was the manual, if any provided?

@Fenix1861 Год назад

@@jimatperfromix2759most of these vids have a corresponding article on the main site, and they are usually much more detailed. You might find the answers there. I would have checked before making my comment but I am currently using voice-to-text while driving (my passenger is the one actually pressing the buttons so I am not breaking any laws, but he isn’t really all that interested in tech).

@coolspot18 11 месяцев назад

@@jimatperfromix2759 Yeah, very odd the major players haven't jumped in the game, perhaps there are limitations to these designs that we're not aware of - like you said, perhaps there is a bottleneck in the controllers or something else?

@user-lz8if7od1p 9 месяцев назад

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@One_Guy Год назад

interesting review. these look like a great step forward on pricing for sure!

@jenniferw8963 10 месяцев назад

Would of been really nice if they added a SFP+ port for uplink

@post-leftluddite 7 месяцев назад

there's already enought SFP+ crap available, 10GBase-T doesn't get enough love

@thecookeman Месяц назад

Yeah just 1x sfp uplink would be ideal

@rodfer5406 Год назад

Yes, current 10gbe switches are TOO DAMN EXPENSIVE!!! Great review.

@mrmotofy 11 месяцев назад

Not all of them 5ports are available for less than people blow in a weekend on drinks

@patrickford18 3 месяца назад

I just received my Hasivo S1100WP-8XGT-SE switch today that I ordered on 3-2-24 for $320 with free shipping. So that's about 3 weeks. The box arrived looking like it passed through a Ukrainian war zone, but the item managed to remain unscathed even with its minimal packing protection. Today's prices, as of 3-22-24 the S1100WP-8XGT-SE is $282.40 and the Managed Switch without POE (S1100W-8XGT-SE) is $256.00, also with free shipping. I may well buy the S1100W-8XGT-SE to connect the rest of my house to 10Gbase-T 10GbE. At this time, I see no point in upgrading my existing home network to 2.5GbE as it seems to be getting obsolete before it becomes the mainstream upgrade from 1GbE. These switches handle it all 1GbE, 2.5GbE, 5GbE and 10GbE and work perfectly with my existing Cat6 cabling.

@CielMC Год назад

As a Chinese, having these switches available for no shipping makes the human rights violations almost worth it.

@whothefoxcares Год назад

Taiwan on!

@LuisGustavoCP Год назад

Lol

@data9k Год назад

Including when the switch starts sniffing your traffic and sending it to the Chinese government

@muhammadazeem1346 Год назад

best comment ive seen so far

@scheimong Год назад

Fair

@PWingert1966 Год назад

Next we need a review of USB-C laptop 10Gb adapters!

@jimatperfromix2759 Год назад

I'll second that emotion. But I'm afraid such a beast may not exist, currently. Wendell of Leve1Techs recently scoured square miles worth of convention centers in Taiwan looking for such a beast, and I believe he came up empty handed. I think Patrick did a similar fairly exhaustive analysis a while back looking for USB-C either 2.5 Gbps or 5 Gbps (or both, I forget which) and found a number of those available. But I've come to the tentative conclusion that USB4.0 (which is a C jack) is the only thing that will come close to supporting 10 Gbps Ethernet, so I'm looking for products in that department. I suspect that currently the market only has Thunderbolt 3 (or 4) compatible 10 Gbps Ethernet cards. Not sure if they work directly hooked to a USB4.0. I think Patrick is the perfect person for us to nominate to sort this mess out for us. As for myself, I'm kinda counting on USB4.0 to come through for us eventually. Specifically, I put a moratorium on buying any laptop or mini-PC that does not have USB4.0 (even if it has 2.5 Gbps Ethernet - not enough for me, thank you very much, although I'll use that in the interim if needs be). For a desktop, I can always scrounge up a 10 Gbps NIC somewhere.

@jwo1888 4 месяца назад

Definitely want to see more affordable 8 port 10gbps switches on the market. I feel like with the rising popularity and speed of NAS particularly SSD based NAS investing in 2.5 or 5 gaps switches is a bit of a false economy and a potential bottleneck. Fantastic and enjoyable reviews, I look forward to seeing new kit. I'd love to see reviews on wider range of things like small board computers like r.pis, add ons to make clusters to bigger desktop and server mobo for people who like to build their own equipment Oh and it would be useful to see a feature/cost comparison table for all equipment tested so it's easier to shortlist candidate equipment and focus on appropriate video

@forbiddenera Год назад

Looking closer at the hardware, Port 1 should definitely be PoE as well, all 8 ports have PoE lights and the PoE board has 8 fets

@timrobertson8242 Год назад

One of the important items you briefly covered was an option for the Management VLAN selection. This is MISSING from so many of the NetGear and TP-Link managed products and lacking this is a total FULL STOP for me. At the price, these are now within reach for my next home network upgrade. Thanks for helping me discover these affordable options.

@jimatperfromix2759 Год назад

Would you mind saying a few words on why that's important to you? Might be something I need but don't know it yet.

@luxzg Год назад

@@jimatperfromix2759 You didn't ask me, but I have similar sentiment. Having VLAN management is close to only thing I want my ("smart") switch to do. Why? If you do a home lab sort of environment and you want to still do it right way, you want to separate networks. Not just subnets, but VLANs as well. Eg if you do virtualization (which is common for home labs today) you want heartbeat in one VLAN, storage in separate VLAN, clients in another VLAN, and so on. You just don't want these mixing and is usually suggested as a supported way to do it. Except VLANs, I'd probably use STP, maybe MAC filtering on occasion, a little system health info, and extremely rarely port mirroring and port binding. I believe I've seen everything mentioned and way more in this "simple" switch. Web UI might look basic in design, but they have more options than smart Cisco (Linksys) lines such as SG500. 8 ports is just perfect for home lab or branch office and the likes. Having support for 100Mbps/1G/2.5G in addition to 10G covers everything. If you need more just get another dumb switch with 10G or similar uplink and 8-16 1G ports and that's it. This looks so nice, that I'm adding this to my to-do list, once I get some time to check it out some more, and maybe even order one. Sounds like a bomb! :) Edit: Actually one thing I did not see, that's for me to check... If this switch supports RDMA / RoCE... I really can't think of anything else of importance for this level of switch

@JanVokas 11 месяцев назад

@@luxzg Yea, VLAN is a must from lets-say 4+ devices. Even just for the "management" VLAN for administration interface for all APs, switches. Just to separate things and strip down possible attack vector. And if you have IOT/smart things, cameras, smart TVS... VLAN separation is just must-have these days. Another example: you can have separate VLAN for guest wifi and allow access to the internet only (and not to your home devices...)

@atavusable Месяц назад

@@jimatperfromix2759I went in that rabbithole recently. Vlan management on ghe switch allows you to separate the configuration port for your equipement from your usual vlan. All your personal on a vlan & all switch, routers configuration access on another vlan. Your firewall will be used to allows exchange between your main vlan & your management vlan.

@vtrandal 5 месяцев назад

Fantastic!

@theangelofspace155 Год назад

Out of the whole video the onky think that caught my attention was the small reverse poe board, I would love a video adding one of those boards ($6 in ali) to a regular cheap switch.

@beauregardslim1914 Год назад

It might be worth STH's time to have some rudimentary power supply test gear and have a look at these uncertified POE switches that are dealing with 200W+. Maybe a joint vid with GamersNexus?

@andymok7945 Год назад

Thanks for the video. On the security side, is there back-door access encoded user/pw and what about calling home for bad reasons?

@Daniel15au 10 месяцев назад

When you were talking about the other brands, I'm surprised you didn't mention the MikroTik CRS312-4C+8XG-RM. 12 x 10Gbps ports, fully managed (same OS as their routers). You can usually find it for less than $550 shipped.

@post-leftluddite 7 месяцев назад

are those 10GBase-T ports like I want for my home? or useless SFP+?

@michaelmiller3012 4 месяца назад

@@post-leftluddite It has 12x 10G Ethernet ports and 4x shared SFP Ports - the SFP Ports are mutually exclusive with the 4 Ethernet ports closest to them (as in, you can use EITHER the ethernet OR the SFP for those 4 ports). For software, it runs Microtik's RouterOS (if you want full featured switch management) and SwitchOS (if you want a much more simplified managed switch feature set). I am using this unit in my personal home lab and it runs well. I paid ~$550 for it 3 years ago or so.

@llothar68 11 месяцев назад

Great. Finally after only 20 years since the standard was released in 2002 we finally have affordable 10GBit Ethernet. Will it now take to 2045 to get 100GBit?

@barbatocedric4246 Год назад

They have already increase the price, thanks !

@AinzOoalG0wn Год назад

wow awesome review. this is exactly what we want to see, Patrick nailed it. Just wondering though, you may a 2.5gbe 24 port video for some China e sports switch the other day, that was interesting. But how does that compare to other 25gbe switches in the 16-24 port ranges? Like how you did this video when you compared the Hassivo 10gbe against the other available competitor products on pricing? would love to see more of that type of video.

@kdw75 Год назад

All my computers motherboards have had 10gb ports for years, yet I am still running on a 1Gb switch. Funny how the MB makers started supporting it so long before the switch makers.

@Nobe_Oddy Год назад

MOAR 10Gbe SWITCHES!!!!!! Even a 4 port would be GREAT!!!! (if it's cheap :D )

@koolbob23 6 месяцев назад

Bought one of these from your review. It stopped working and smells like burning plastic so i sent it back

@andrewjoseph1363 11 месяцев назад

I am curious about the management interface and how to do typical management using this firmware. Maybe a software walkthrough?

@be-kind00 8 месяцев назад

Is there a switch like this that has sfp+ ports instead of rj45? I want to use dac cables in the rack not lossy hot rj45's that would mean all the servers that have spf+ ports would have to also have hot lossy hbics and force the servers to have more of a power load. Thanks. @servethehomevideo

@LerrySanders Год назад

I wonder if this would be worth getting now and then sticking a couple of 2.5gb cards in my computers and servers at the house and use till I can upgrade the rest of the network to take full advantage of 10gb and then have it for when it is ready.

@popejohnny5 Год назад

Ubiquiti has their L2 USW-Aggregation SPF+ for $269 which isn't bad for a server to server or server to switch 10Gb small lab option. If you needed RJ45 you can always add some, but only up to 4. So if you can get away with server to server SPF+ for the majority of your connections it gives you some options. Granted you are going to pay probably $35-40 a port for the SPF+ to RJ45 up to 4 ports if needed. Depending on your DAC versus fiber usage or RJ45 ports you can certainly get up there, but at least these would have the regulator approval and still fully kitted out would be cheaper than competitors unmanaged options.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

That is SFP+. SFP+ switches are less expensive since you would need to add more costly fiber, 10Gbase-T adapters, or DACs. 10Gbase-T is much more expensive.

@popejohnny5 Год назад

@@ServeTheHomeVideo 10Gbase-T, basically the wire is cheap is the upside. SFP+ just like the switches, network cards also tend to be cheaper than 10Gbase-T. If you look at the Connect-X 3 or lower depending on OS support requirements. I noticed most if not all of your tested clients seemed to be using built in 10Gb RJ45 ports. Really it boils down to are you upgrading to 10Gb because you already have 10Gb capable RJ45 clients and servers or are you green fielding 10Gb to your lab. Green field its all down to port mix and if most of your lab 10Gb connections can run DAC cables. If you already have 6-7 RJ45 10Gb NICs one of these switches is the better option.

@aliancemd 11 месяцев назад

Mikrotik has even cheaper L3 SFP+ switches(including fanless) but you blow any budgets once you buy the modules

@post-leftluddite 7 месяцев назад

If these switch makers just put some effort into getting some 10GBase-T switches in the hands of consumers, it'd drive the price down....they're refusal to make anything but SFP+ switches really frustrates me

@autohmae Год назад

Based on a post from OpenWRT about a similar type, my guess is: Realtek, which runs U-boot and Linux. The other model is: F1100W-8S+ Board: RTL9300 CPU:800MHz LX:175MHz DDR:600MHz DRAM: 256 MB

@travnewmatic Год назад

if we could get that face of joy on a t-shirt i dont think i'd be the only one buying one

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

Ha!

@agr-tech 11 месяцев назад

This is exactly what I have been looking for. The only concern is the security/firmware. At this price it may be worth using for a low risk environment.

@aliancemd 11 месяцев назад

Just make sure you protect them behind a firewall. My Huawei switch was getting telnet connection attempts from China

@friedelectronics 19 дней назад

Great video, as always. Maybe I missed it, but do these use 240v, 120v or either or?

@jmnovak40 Год назад

Wow! This is exactly what I’ve been looking for. You’re absolutely spot on. Nothing comes close to this price point. Really big, big bummer about the regulatory compliance labels. As this is something I would want to throw in my network closet, my biggest fear it would catch fire. It probably wouldn’t, however, what would give someone a sense of comfort that they passed some sort of electrical standard?

@Astra7525 Год назад

I also worry that any fire insurance would deny paying if this thing catches fire and has no compliance labels

@McTroyd 11 месяцев назад

If you live in a house that adheres to common electrical codes, ensure the box is grounded (using that ground point they provide) and you'll be fine. Even if there is a catastrophic electrical failure internally, the resulting ground fault would trip the circuit breaker you're plugged into. The worst case I could imagine, you'd also need to replace the Ethernet interfaces in the connected endpoints (because the magnetic isolators were fried). If that's still not good enough, open frame power supply modules like they're using internally can be bought from electronic parts suppliers like Mouser and Digi-Key. Buy a reputable one that supplies the same power, slap it in, and that's the worst of your electrical risk mitigated for not a lot more money.

@criggie Месяц назад

I bought the non POE version, and it definitely came with rackmount ears. There are only two fan cutouts in the rear of my chassis. Management does not support IPv6. Saving changes is kinda cisco-like in that you have to hit save and they apply, but they're not saved. To save though a reboot you have to "copy running-config startup-config" either in the console or in the webgui. It DOES support SSH and HTTPS but you have to generate keys for that to work, and that single function isn't in the webui, so.... telnet it was for a short time. There is no serial console port, so in-band management only. And for the price, I don't really care. Firmware updates is the single concern - I can't find a firmware anywhere, and the switch could be hard to recover without a real console port.

@ralmslb Год назад

250$ for Chinese unknow brand is not that dirt cheap.... On top of that, they are already around 50$ more expensive with the release of the video. What you are saving in cost, you are giving away in support or firmware updates.

@VertoX7 Год назад

What about the USW-Aggregation switch from Ubiquiti? Fully managed 10G SFP+ 8 port switch for $269. And with SFP+ you can choose what cabling you want to use; DAC, Fiber, RJ-45... I'm using DAC cables and a RJ-45 module to connect my NAS and servers together.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

True, but then you will spend another $400-450 to get all the ports as 10Gbase-T, have higher power consumption than this switch, and not get PoE+. SFP+ switches are cheap, that is not even the least expensive one out there. 10Gbase-T switches are more costly which is why this is a breakthrough.

@dataterminal Год назад

I moved to fiber home network using cheap 10g sfp+ cards. (I picked up another 3 for $12 each last month). It's been nothing but amazing so far. Pre-terminated LC connections, and simply plug in and play for my sfp modules has been as easy as using ethernet in the past. I just wish motherboards had built in 10g sfp cards for my next set of PC builds, but I can just reuse the cards I have. With a little luck, the switches will start to filter down to the home labs cheap as things start to move to 40/100gb setups.

@AndrewFrink Год назад

$4 SFP+ cards?! Which ones? Edit: $12 each... But still, connetx-3s are like 35 each, dual port ones are more like 65.

@Fenix1861 Год назад

And I know I have seen some of the older Intel-based, 4-port SFP+ NICs available for decent prices as well. If you feel comfy running fiber or have good access to compatible, low-priced 10BasedT adapters, it is almost within pricing to build your own switch from retired desktops (like a Z170 board with a 6700, even better if it is one of the WS boards that had PLX chips for PCIe switching).

@dataterminal 11 месяцев назад

@@AndrewFrink Just get the OEM rebranded ones. HPe pn 518001-001 they are mellanox 2 dual port or Solarflare cards, the S6102 is a dual port overlooked because it's not a mellanox but the cards work fine in linux/windows

@Wav10001 10 месяцев назад

What does your fiber distribution look like? Does it go out from a patch panel to each room of your home?

@dataterminal 10 месяцев назад

@@Wav10001 we have a 24port patch panel, had keystones for ethernet. Ethernet down to wall mounted boxes/faceplates with keystone jacks, where a small ethernet plugs in to pc, console etc. as expected. When we moved to fiber, we pulled the fiber to the same wall faceplate and just swapped out a rj45 keystone for a lc Om3 ones to match the fibre we're using. They are the coupler type, so just plug in fiber run in the back. Same at the patch panel. We left some ethernet in the rooms, like we have consoles, printers etc still.

@evilmonkey1987 Год назад

It's a great review and a decent deal, but the comment about "no regulatory marking" is more serious than you might think. This means that these switches were not tested for things like electrical safety. For a device that's intended to be running 24/7/365 in an unattended environment, the lack of even a basic safety check is a non-starter for me. The coil hum that Patrick mentions is a big red flag for electrical safety -- and probably the reason this switch didn't pass any certification. If you have it installed somewhere and it causes an electrical fire, you may have insurance problems. Proceed with caution.

@shiddygaymer Год назад

Almost makes "reviewing" them pointless

@blahorgaslisk7763 Год назад

I'm not arguing on most of your points, but coil whine, or coil hum as you called it, is not a red flag of any kind. If it was more than half of everything that has gotten the stamp of approval would be gone. No one likes it, but it's one of these things that just keeps cropping up. Annoying and irritating yes. Dangerous no. From what little we saw of the innards these looked decently built. The PSU was well separated from the rest with a generous airgap. But we didn't get a good view of the power supply. Now as an old cranky man I'm surprised at how many dangerous PSU designs there are that's being sold today. Mostly I'm surprised because there is very little in the way of secrets about how to design a safe PSU. And the added cost of manufacture is so incredibly small it's next to nothing. Remember, good design doesn't add cost. It makes things simpler, cheaper to manufacture, safer, and reduces the failure rate. At least that's how industrial design is supposed to work.

@KevinRiceSLO 11 месяцев назад

I can't imagine buying some no-name Chinese junk that very well may include spyware, in addition to it's unknown safety and fire hazard.

@_droid 11 месяцев назад

@@KevinRiceSLO Maybe but to paraphrase: Satan is beautiful, not some ugly easily recognizable demon

@McTroyd 11 месяцев назад

I posted this in another comment, but if you live in a house that adheres to common electrical codes, ensure the box is grounded (using that ground point they provide) and you'll be fine. Even if there is a catastrophic electrical failure internally, the resulting ground fault would trip the circuit breaker you're plugged into. The worst case I could imagine, you'd also need to replace the Ethernet interfaces in the connected endpoints (because the magnetic isolators were fried). If that's still not good enough, open frame power supply modules like they're using internally can be bought from electronic parts suppliers like Mouser and Digi-Key. Buy a reputable one that supplies the same power, slap it in, and that's the worst of your electrical risk mitigated for not a lot more money. Now, if you DON'T live in a house that adheres to common electrical codes, it's a different story...

@LifeWithMatthew Год назад

Wow, that a nice deal for a homelab setup! I have a noisy Juniper switch that I've been wanting to switch out, if this switch had a couple of SFP+ ports I'd definitely be doing it!

@aliancemd 11 месяцев назад

If you want SFP+ ports, Mikrotik has managed switches that are in the same price-range or lower. The 8xSFP+ version is fanless, costs less and has better switching speeds

@LifeWithMatthew 11 месяцев назад

@@aliancemd True, I do like Mikrotik, but the 8xSFP+ version also lacks any kind of RJ-45 ports and that was the point I was making, a switch like the one featured in the video that ALSO had a couple SFP+ ports would be quite the nice combo that I could use to replace my existing Juniper switch :)

@Mrtickleberries 9 месяцев назад

If you want this be aware that the fans are very loud I mean hair drier loud I swapped them out for noctua fans which helped a lot but its not perfect due to the air flow design you get turbulence noise even with quiet fans

@meukbox 9 месяцев назад

The switch in the Aliexpres link is now €465 :(

@wayansudiasa Год назад

You always have good switch

@rasmusskrivermortensen7170 6 месяцев назад

Do you know of one with 46W output for external PoE devices? My cameras need 30-46W.

@mph8759 Год назад

I am about to order a TP Link tL-SG3210XHP-M2 (8x 2.5Gbe [T] + 2x 10Gbe SFP+) - what du you think about that one vs this??

@night_h4nter 11 месяцев назад

there also are hasivo F5800W and F1100W, those are 12 and 8 sfp port managed switches, maybe it's worth checking them out too

@thecookeman Месяц назад

Any switches that have both? Rj45 and sfp 10gbe?

@Wahinies 9 месяцев назад

It didn't look like it but does it have a facility for DHCP snooping and does it force PVID1 on all ports like Tplink does?

@aliancemd 11 месяцев назад

Mikrotik has switches in this price-range or lower but those are SFP+, which is additional costs

@ServeTheHomeVideo 11 месяцев назад

Exactly.

@hydr0zagadka Год назад

the problem is no warranty unless you want to pay 100$ for shipment anything back to China, because they will always ask you to send back the product, GL with that. i would rather to pay that money upfront and buy something with real warranty and regular firmware update.

@0bit 11 месяцев назад

RAM buffer, MAC address table, Jumbo frames, Forwarding mode, Forwarding rate ?

@amosgiture Год назад

POE at 10GbaseT, wonder how these would perform with 10GbE wireless access points like TP-Link Omada

@kezzkezzkezz 10 месяцев назад

For the same price shipped to NZ I can get a USW-Agg, yes agg needs SFP modules but for the better hardware and software it's worth it

@Dvalin21 2 месяца назад

Hello, is there a firmware update for this device? I've read that the current one, some settings don't save and switch to normal after reboot

@MikeButash Год назад

Very nice, thank you for this information! I was debating getting one of these from your prior post on them, however I ended up with a small Qnap switch with 8x 1g and 4x mgig 10g, and finding their "management" to be terribly bad and barely functional, laughable compared to the Hasivo. Biggest issues were, I can't even change the management IP vlan to anything but vlan 1, and there is no snmp to monitor with, but very minimalist to a problematic extent. I bought it as damaged/parts on ebay, otherwise new in a clean box, it arrived with something clunking around inside, and after opening and breaking the warranty seal, found they never put screws in the fan from the factory! Easily fixed, but for a ~$500 switch to ship with a unsecured fan (and the seller had multiples)?! I will never, NEVER buy anything Qnap again, and selling this switch to a simpleton that just wants a management interface to gawk at. Might still try a Hasivo after seeing this and the robust feature set, assuming they all work right...

@dennisfahey2379 11 месяцев назад

All ports are not equal. Does anyone know what sort of performance these low end switches get? How long do they last? How many of us bought Netgear's Pro switches only to have them last a year at best. And of course support was nonexistent. Further, with some - but not all - of these low end switches you probably would be wise to monitor any port connected to the WAN. You see some very interesting traffic sometimes to IP addresses that you cannot trace. I'd not that power supply is very low grade. It does not seem to have much in the way of primary filtering so I'd expect it will not handle poor AC in / dips and the like and of course any RFI it has in the box will flow right back out onto your main power line. This could include anything coming back on the POE lines as well.

@gabest4 Год назад

It will inject a TikTok video after every megabyte.

@JonathanSwiftUK Год назад

I have the QNAP QSW-M2108-2C, 8x 2.5gb, 2x 10gb with QNAP's lite management interface, covering up the real Aricent web interface, I paid about £239 (GBP) locally, a year ago, no shipping costs. Most things you buy still only have 1gb NICs, and all the 2.5gb USB adapters seem to be Realtek based, and there are some issues - where can you get Windows Server drivers, for example. Happy I'm moving forward but not seeing any benefit yet, maybe one day. In terms of PoE I have an 8 port Zyxel 1915 - I can only think of a single device that both HAS and could NEED 2.5gb, those are the few access points with 2.5gb ports - still very rare. Common sense must be front and center stage when parting with our beloved dosh.

@dktol56 Год назад

Some affordable 16-port 2.5GbE switches (managed or unmanaged) for homelab and small business would be nice. Eight ports are a little tight.

@ServeTheHomeVideo 11 месяцев назад

We have you covered: - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wsxZB82gcYM.html - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pi80T1ZhJKQ.html

@setharnold9764 11 месяцев назад

Those missing compliance labels worry me a bit, yeah. It otherwise looks a lot like what I want at home.

@MyersJ2Original Год назад

So can these switches do the port trunking thing (combine 2 1Gig ports from an older synology NAS?)

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

Yes. I think you are looking for MLAG/ LACP. We showed that specifically in the main site article.

@user-jm8ho2hy8g Год назад

Are there any 10gig poe devices? Maybe an access point but I can not think of anything else. Am I wrong?

@Live1509 Год назад

I think 10GbE should became the new base standard after been around for 11 years. You can't no more justify higher price...

@wvziccardi 10 месяцев назад

For the price, you could have shown off the Unifi Aggregation Switch 8 10G SFP+ for $269 which is pretty nuts value

@ServeTheHomeVideo 10 месяцев назад

But to get those to be 10Gbase-T like this you would spend another $400 in converters and add another 18-20W at idle. SFP+ switches are cheap because the cost is in the plugables.

@LA-MJ Год назад

I would like something like this

@androidlogin3065 11 месяцев назад

What about link aggregation ? Do they support them ? How many ports can be on link aggregation 2, 3, 4 ... ? So, how much link speed can get (up to 2x40gps if two sets of 4 ports in link aggregation) ? Price is out of my budget, but i wish to know how much link aggregation canbe done.

@mindshelfpro Год назад

Do these 10G switches negotiate 2.5G with a variety of networks adapters successfully?

@JeffGeerling Год назад

That would be good to test in addition to general port speed and PoE capabilities. This switch would make a lot of sense in a mixed 10/2.5G environment.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

Yes. Mentioned briefly in the video, we tested the ports at 2.5GbE and 5GbE and with Intel and Marvell-Aquantia adapters (even with Mac 10Gbase-T)

@JeffGeerling Год назад

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Ah, missed that!

@FredrikRambris Год назад

Looks nice. I might have missed it but does it support SNMP? I like to monitor my switches.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

Yes. It is one of the screens we blasted through in the management section

@FredrikRambris Год назад

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Aaah, yes at 11:33. Cool that it supports SSH too for us CLI fans.

@webbstudios4769 Год назад

Similar to MokerLink switches as they are cheap and run the same OS/firmware. Bought a MokerLink 10G080GSM aka their 8 port SFP+ managed switch off of Amazon. I returned it though because the SFP transceiver support was hit and miss since it wasn'tdocumented, operating system was a bit frustrating for me, and the power LED I think was messed up somehow. I thought about trying their dumb 8 port SFP+ switch though.

@mitchese1 8 месяцев назад

Mine came with rackmount ears (PoE Version, ordered October 2023 from aliexpress)

@ServeTheHomeVideo 8 месяцев назад

Oh that is cool!

@jdbrinton 6 месяцев назад

The hard part is 10GbE over twisted pair. It's basically an entire modem on each port. The innovation is in the RTL8264. RealTek doesn't even market the chip yet. So, these were probably custom designed for Hasivo. Besides those chips, any box builder could make this. Strike a deal with RealTek and anyone could build this box for this price.

@ViciousXUSMC 6 месяцев назад

My main switch is a Brocade ICX 6450 and they were like $70 I think with 4x 10gb SFP+ but I am running out of ports for 10gb 2 fiber connections to my servers, 1 ethernet connection to my desktop, the last one will go to my firewall once I upgrade it. That leave me nowhere to put upgraded access points. This may work, but I really wish I could find one switch to handle everything and not need to run two switches. The obvious lack here is no SFP all ethernet, my servers have Mellanox X3 Fiber NICs.

@jrherita Год назад

I’d really like to see MoCa 3.0 to go along with these..

@hunordori Год назад

Multigig is an awesome plus

@edvardfranke 11 месяцев назад

Thx

@davidjohnsoniowa Год назад

Do you have a link to their firmware or support site?

@davidjohnsoniowa Год назад

Let's try again. I've searched the internet and have not found any support site that would allow downloading a firmware for these. I'm not sure we should be promoting Chinese goods which are completely unsupportable.

@danagoyette7932 Год назад

I have another one of the Hasivo units (S600WP-5GT-2S+n), and the firmware is all screwy. DHCP enabling doesn't work reliably, it won't let me set the POE total limit to anything below 200 watts even though the power brick is only 65 watts total, and DHCP doesn't work either. I wonder if this one is as broken?

@Act1veSp1n Год назад

Its nice, but a bit too big for my improvised Ikea rack :) Cool find though!

@a351must2 Год назад

Crazy that the Buffalo switch hasn't come down in price to match the market. I bought the MP-2008 5.5 years ago (early 2018) for $540 when it was hands down the cheapest 8-port managed 10GB/multi-gig switch. It hasn't had a firmware update since 2018, won't accept passwords longer than 7 characters !!! , No LACP support, noisy fans...but at least it came with rack ears.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

I totally agree! I had forgotten Buffalo made switches until the team found this one.

@_droid 4 месяца назад

Of course the prices are jacked up to hell now and it doesn't seem like such a good deal.

@allanwind295 Год назад

It went from 12 to 44 sold (across both models if I read it right) :-)

@ericneo2 Год назад

M. Bison: Yes!! Yes!!!

@braddeicide 11 месяцев назад

Did both models have coil whine?

@ServeTheHomeVideo 11 месяцев назад

Just the PoE

@Renderman-Official Год назад

YES! I would definitely buy a switch like this locally! Perfect for my 2.5/10GB Router/Network. NETGEAR, QNAP, TPLINK, ASUSTOR... Lets build this! Great find and great video Patrick.

@GCTWorks Год назад

I know it does not have PoE, but the Ubiquiti USW-Aggregation is 8-port SFP+ for $270. You can add RJ45 adapters as needed, then you get the option for optical or DAC. All in, it might not be cheaper, but the equipment is very good.

@ko260 Год назад

yes but if you wanted 8 ports of 10g j45 then we are talking 400 on top of that...

@RennsportFilms Год назад

@@ko260 the USW-Aggregation only supports four 10GBase-T transceivers. So the best you could do would be four fiber connections with four RJ45 transceivers

@GCTWorks Год назад

@@RennsportFilms I did not know that. I wonder why. Power? Thermal?

@RennsportFilms Год назад

@@GCTWorks Not sure, but probably a little but of both. It has a 36W power supply with a max power consumption of 30W and on average I think 10GBase-T transceivers do around 3W of pull.

@Tsikura Год назад

@@GCTWorks Think it's mostly thermals. The user guide even recommends you stagger the Base-T transceivers so they're not plugged in next to each other.

@jeremyjedynak Год назад

The market is waiting for STHgear to release a U.S. version of a switch like this at $300ea.

@robertbash380 Год назад

We need a ServeTheHome/Doug DeMuro crossover. "THIS is an NXP SJA1105EL automotive ethernet switch..."

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

Yes!

@ricki-bobby 11 месяцев назад

$75 shipping seems ridiculous especially considering most stuff out of PRC ships free to the US or very nominal charge

@Crusaderon Год назад

Does it support TLS and which version if it so?

@Old_BMWs 11 месяцев назад

For those who don't know, if you buy equipment like this with no regulatory approvals, and it starts a fire and burns down your house, your home insurance may not pay out. This makes these things an instant no-go for any sort of permanent installation, home or business. I would not dream of using these in an unsupervised situation, only for a temporary lab setup where you disconnect them when you leave. It's unfortunate, but that's what these regulatory agencies are for - to keep you safe from fires and other similar situations. This goes for anything you plug into mains power - the power supply _must_ be validated by regulatory testing. UL and ETL are best, CE bare minimum. For those of you into DIY electronics, low voltage circuits don't necessarily need this approval to be safe (and comply with the terms of your insurance contracts), just the mains power supplies you use to hook them up with.

@jamesharrill2416 10 дней назад

Hi - Can the default IP address be changed on this hasivo s1100wp-8xgt-se? My cable router is 10.0.x.x and I want to have all devices on the network at 10.0.x.x