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I never play usum I was very disappointed But I do think the gen 7 games are on the better end of the 3d era/modern era with legend arceus begin my favourite 3d pokemon
My only problem with USUM is the way they screwed up Lusamine's villain motives, trying to make her redeemable just wasn't a good decision while they left her psychological abuse towards Lillie and Gladion the exact same as before
I feel like they changed the character a lot to coincide with the way they were designing her for the anime. They had to make her character more balanced and less insane, otherwise they wouldn’t get the longevity out of her that they had in the show. They had three seasons of this generation, and she was prominent especially in the second two.
I think it works because we were aware that this is an alternate version of the character from a different universe. In The originals are still there and exist on their own
Its a different universe with a different version of events. The original sun and moon universe still exists, pokemon is a multiverse so the same characters exist but theyre all sightly different.
Yeah. Ultra is a better game, but base sun and moon has a better story and I liked certain aspects better than their ultra changes, such as the professor being your champion fight, Lillie leaving for kanto and Hala being an elite four member.
The story may have been a step down from vanilla Sun & Moon, but besides that, I've always found the Ultra games to be superior. They're consistently challenging, and they have one of the best postgame episodes ever. Overall, they brought Pokemon's handheld-exclusive era to a very satisfying close, and it's very refreshing seeing more and more people give them the appreciation they deserve.
@@MarkEstratocaster Quite a bit...a new main antagonist and UUSM has more character development for characters like Lillie and Hau and Gladion and lusamine etc.
I've always said it, Alola games were great. The og SM had better story and character development for Lillie and Lusamine, but USUM is the definitive version and has so much good content it's insane how under the radar it went. The last games where you could get all the current existing pokémon in one single cartridge
As someone who adored Alola since forever, I'm glad apparently people are starting to like the Alola games more and more. While in USUM, Lusamine's character is imo weaker because they tried making her redeemable, otherwise I personally think USUM is better. Wouldn't mind if people started liking/loving those games.
I always though USUM was better than SM; they just suffered because they were released literally right after the OG's. USUM should have been released on the switch after a few years.
It would have been cool to see but I’m glad they weren’t on switch because the last haven for all national dex mons would have had unsafe game data. Now no matter what happens you don’t have the risk of all your mons being nuked out of existence because your system had some issue.
Exactly! USUM were great games and are the definitive Alola experience. They aren't perfect, by any means, and they suffer from being released soon after SM. But evaluated on their own merits, they're fantastic games. Great setting, great dex and mons, fantastic music, challenging battles, good post-game, memorable characters...these games are certainly worth a re-play.
The one thing I don’t like about USUM is the story, SM had such a lovely written story that was changed so drastically that it’s unrecognisable in USUM. But as pure games, yeah they’re better than SM and fix some issues that the latter have
Cutscenes aside, they're very rewarding games to replay. It's one of the few games where I absolutely love every team that I make. The sheer amount of side content from quests, surfing, battle royales and the battle tree are fun to complete.
My most wanted Pokemon game has been, for a while, a true definitive single release Alola experience with the USUM dex, trainer teams, trials, post game, minigames, etc. with original SM's story. Remake it with the Let's Go art style and overworld spawns but with the original catching and battling system and we have what might be my Top 1 Pokemon game.
That, or the Necrozma storyline being made as a side-story or post-game, and away from Lusamine. It had potential, but it replacing the original family dynamics ruined a lot of things.
I absolutely loved Sun and Moon when they came out, I thought and still think they were phenomenal games, USUM is just Sun and Moon with countless improvements, the Alola games are my second favorite in the entire series, USUM are masterpieces and I'm so happy to see a video praising them and acknowledging how god damn good they are
I don't like how they retconned Lusamine's motivation in USUM. In the original games, she went mad with grief over the loss of her husband which turned her into a toxic mother who wanted to control her children's every action. Its also implied the Nihilego toxins had some effect on her psyche. She wasn't comically evil like Ghetsis, but rather someone who went down a path of grief and didn't know how to recover. It was a unique and human characterization for a villain, especially by Pokémon standards. But USUM takes that and tries to mix it with it with its new plotlines for her trying to stop Necrozma, and it comes off rather weird. Especially considering what scenes and dialogue they take away and keep from the original games.
I wholeheartedly agree. The whole "nuhuh, WE're the one who will stop Necrozma" thing is just dumb and way inferior to her original motivations. Honestly if Necrozma was made into a post-game quest like the Emerald episode in ORAS, it would have been much better. Or at least make the Ultra Recon Squad working against Lusamine instead of with her, since she's trying to create wormholes that Necrozma can use to cross over to her world.
Pokemon is a multiverse. Nothing was retconned. These are their own characters in their respective universe. Every instance of a game(including each game a player plays)is its own self contained universe.
I always struggle to determine if I prefer SM or USUM. USUM undeniably has better mechanics and features with Ultra Wormholes, Ultra Necrozma, and lots of fun minigames, but I think SM has a better story overall with the Lillie/Lusamine plot having a better climax and me being a Guzma fan, it gives him more to do overall.
Despite my gripes with Sun/Moon, I really enjoyed playing it back in the day. The needlessly long dialog and tutorials didn't bother me quite as much as the lack of exploration in Alola and that pervasive feeling of "unfinished" that was present in many locations, but the region had amazing themes and identity, and the trials were a breath of fresh air. But most of all, the colorful cast of characters were the main element that kept me playing and caring about those games. So when USUM kinda took some steps back in that regard, especially with Lillie's journey, it burned me out hard. I should really give these games another chance one day.
USUM felt like the true 20th Anniversary Core Series games to me; it’s among my favorite core games in the series. Ultimately they suffered from being released too soon after SM, and after the Switch had just launched
What ruins this as a standalone game is purely the business practice. That, and maybe Lusamine's character depending on the interpretation you prefer: villain, or neglectful parent.
I did enjoy USUM gameplay-wise, but to be the story changes, especially to Lusamine's motivations and her family dynamics, are just a crime. I much preferred the original. I think they could have worked in Necrozma better if the Ultra Recon Squad was NOT working with Lusamine instead, and maybe even antagonists to her. It could have worked so much better, with Lusamine creating ultra wormhole that Necrozma would take advantage of to cross over and the Ultra Recon Squad trying to stop it but not having the effectives to take on the Aether Foundation.
Bro, thank you for making this video. I've always felt like the hate towards usum was so unwarranted. I put in 300 hours into both and had a great time playing them. Ppl felt like these were lazy cash grabs when for me it felt like these were the last games where Game Freak truly put their all and everything into the games. You hit all the major points well. Gen 7 deserves way more love.
It is unfair that Ultra games get flak for how much wrong Generation 7 represents? Sure, but for me I have reasons outside the main games on why Generation 7 isn’t for me.
@@thatman666 I think from a consumer perspective USUM are the worst games but from a quality perspective they're pretty damn good and I think that's what really matters. Like there's a lot of content in those games it's crazy.
I think the mistake was they decided to make them an " enhanced " version rather than being DLC or sequel to the continuation of Alola. Kinda like Black 2 & White 2. They tried to be the next Platinum, Emerald & Crystal version of Gen. 7. But doesn't completely understand on what those enhanced version meant to be.
The gameplay of the Ultra games is better, but the story in regular Sun and Moon is better. It's a lot more heartbreaking to see Lillie sail off to Kanto for her own proper adventure than Gladeon.
I started a replay of Ultra Moon two weeks ago. What I highly appreciate about that game is, how much side it content it has, which is not directly related to battling or catching pokemon. The Festival Plaza and Pokemon Resort are neat little additions. Completely optional, but give rewards that are nice to have, but not so good that you have to play these modes. I think they also stepped up the side quests. There are alot of people that want a specific Pokemon Dex entry, the little Vulpix quest, working at the beach or the Ditto Imposter sidequest. I also enjoyed the surf minigame. Not only because you can get nice attacks for not much investment, but I liked how it is a way to travel between the islands. The Space-time-tunnel flight minigame was also fun. The Z-Moves are fine too, since they are neither overpowered or intrusive.
I'm a rare example of someone who absolutely loves UltraSun and UltraMoon, I agree they are underrated. They are in fact my fourth top favorite with only Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald, Black 2/White 2, and Platinum topping them.
The thing with these games is that they have the most annoying kiddy handholding in towns and yet are weirdly hardcore (with bosses having full EVs since early game if I recall correctly). So hardcore fans gave up on it early on and little kids probably got stuck lol
I feel like Ultra should have been Pokémon’s first attempt at DLC. As someone who prioritizes the story in their overall impression of a game, while I can definitely appreciate the new gameplay features that were added, I was still irritated by how the phenomenal original main story was butchered while the new story elements felt either half baked or relied heavily on cool factor in relation to the torso it was stitched onto. They did Hau justice though, no denying that, though I have mixed feelings about him taking Kukui’s place as your first title defense match. The Ultra Recon Squad + Necrozma stuff could’ve been a continuation of Looker & Annabel’s post game quest (unlocked by Necrozma’s capture at Ten Carrot Hill), allowing those two to get more screen time and letting the URS & Prism Boi get development that doesn’t involve hijacking the plot. It’d also be the introduction to the Ultra Warp Ride feature and the other UB worlds + legendaries. They have their own Solgaleo/Lunala so no need in making things convoluted by getting Nebby or Lillie involved. Rainbow Rocket could take place after a time skip, explaining why stuff like the photo club and mantine surf are now available (especially since there were already open lots in base SM) and why Lillie is now back; there can be a cutscene where you and the others welcome her back while she’s visiting before the story begins proper at your house as it does in Ultra. Gladion is the damsel in distress here instead of Lusamine since she’s comatose (but she can still be in peril by proxy), despite putting up a good fight he’d be overwhelmed by the hordes of RR Grunts. The RR story plays out the same as usual. I just think if it had worked out this way, it’d build off of and add to an already great base story in the same vein as SV’s DLC currently is. Only thing I can’t really account for is the added Pokémon, since there wouldn’t be any added explorable areas with standard encounters, and I wouldn’t want to lock them begind something as tedious as Poképelago; I know Ultra added a few more nooks and crannies, but they aren’t anything large enough to cram 100 Pokémon into. It’d just feel wierd for the encounter tables of the base game to suddenly change and would seem a bit unfair for the people who already beat the game since they would have missed out on Pokémon they could’ve used during the main story.
I replayed USUM recently and it still holds up my 2nd favorite region behind Hoenn. It has its problems and did some things worse than s/m. It had more features than people like to mention/realize like new z moves(which i enjoyed even with the funny dances) wormholes, mantine surfing, necrozma lore/fusing with its respective game legendary, and certainly not least Rainbow Rocket which is a nice nostalgia trip. Plus many more small things like side quest my favorite with the ditto cops or collecting the totem stickers, new Pokemon and forms along with some totem changes, and still a killer soundtrack. Great pokemon all around and some fan favorites and most characters are pretty fun alog with some new faces. The cutscenes and the endgame could be approved on and could flow together way better with a few changes, but overall its a really fun game and I perfer the them over s/m and im trying to get one more playthrough before online closes down. Hopefully Gen 7 will get the Gen 5 treatment and gets lots of love years down the road.
I really enjoyed my Ultra Sun playthrough, genuinely one of my favourite playthroughs and one of my most memorable teams, imo it was much better than the first Alola games, though I still enjoyed Sun, Ultra Sun was just a better experience.
I see the take USUM are bad but I think they some of my favorite in the series. Game is severely underrated and is an amazing game for collecting, breeding, and training Pokemon.
I played these games very very late and they ended up being my 2nd favorite in the franchise ( nothing can beat HGSS for me ), i love the overall vibe the game has and the challenges were pretty fun actually!
Ok but OG Sun and Moon still have a wayyyyy better story. And considering like 60% of the game is story/dialogue, that better story really ends up mattering. Lille’s journey is just much more impactful when her mom is actively abusive instead of just prideful ngl
Gameplay and content wise sure but the story was much weaker in USUM compared to SM. That's what makes me prefer it at the end of the day.@@prince-bm4xt
Pokemon USUM is my favorite mainline game. After playing several switch games. It still is. Trully underrated. It was also the last pokemon games to have all existing Pokemon and all battle gimmicks in one game. (At least all that exists at the time.)
So I'll be honest, I never actually got that far in the sequel games so I'm never really knew what the backlash was about from experience. But my understanding was always that they weren't bad so much as they were kind of redundant in a way. Where it should've just been the one game instead of the original. But maybe I'll go back one day and finish it!
Ultra Sun is my all-time favorite pokemon game and I've been playing since 98 starting with Red. It has 807 useable pokemon with no cuts like later games, various forms, mega evolutions, and z-moves. The battle tree is my favorite postgame feature in the entire franchise's history, I've actually maxed out my play time because of it. Plus it also has the battle royal and the battle agency, the most amount of battle facilities since the battle frontier in HeartGold and SoulSilver.
My main issue with these games is that it’s not a singular “Pokémon Prism” or such. Did they _really_ have to make two versions of this? _Four_ versions of Alola? I feel some changes should have been made to make this the ULTIMATE 3DS Pokémon game, keep the story the same from the original SM while making the Necrozma stuff better ingrained with the story as well, even if that seems hard to do.
Literally the only downside is Lillie and Lusamine's character arcs suffering. Everything else, though, was greatly improved upon. Mantine surfing is something that should be a staple for every future region, because it helps casuals like me earn BP without having to partake in Battle Facilities. I'm not a fan of Battle Facility rules. The Black Tower in BW2 was great, though. Because I can use any Pokémon with no level caps.
This year I played every gen I missed since 2012 (I didn't have a 3DS or Switch, so I missed everything from XY to Sword and Shield) and the games/experience I keep coming back to is Gen 7, specifically Ultra Moon since that's what I played. It's definitely my favorite 3D Pokémon game along with PLA and SV. I have so many great memories from Alola and I was marveled at how polished (and honestly kinda challenging at times) that game was. I was fully immersed in my journey as a trainer with my team, and that's my favorite type of Pokemon experience. You know what else is super underrated? LGPE. There, I said it. Both USUM and LGPE are badly remembered because they were released under the shadow of hype for Switch games, I remember the rampant leaks about Pokemon Stars on the Switch and the disappointment that came with "Sun and Moon. On 3DS. Again!" and "Pokemon on Switch BUT it's Kanto remakes with Pokemon GO mechanics" I'm telling you guys, go play those games again without that context and you'll find two of the best modern Pokémon experiences out there.
This game had an amazing post game, a lot of variety of new and old pokemon right from the start and some tough and iconic boss battles. while still not making it to my top 3, it is indeed underrated and should be talked about more
Alola and its games are among my favorites in the series. With its relaxing atmosphere, break with the gym battles-formula, colorful Pokémon and loveable cast of characters, it revitalized my love for the franchise after it slowly died down during Gen 5 and Gen 6 (not saying those are bad games, just that I didn't enjoy them as much as I did what came before and after). So it hurts my soul that so many people seem to disregard, if not even outright hate this game with a passion just because of its long tutorial and dialogue (plus a few other things that can change from person to person).
The ultra games are by far my favorite games in the franchise, it’s not even close. I have so many fond memories from gen 7 and especially these games. I love how they’re actually somewhat challenging unlike sword/ shield or scarlet/violet, plus the boss trainers and totem Pokémon being fully ev trained really threw me off in my first run of ultra moon. And omg ultra necrozma was the sickest fight I’ve experienced in a very long time, 10/10 games, and I wish they get brought to the switch at some point
i remember ultra moon was actually the first pokemon game i bought in years, i enjoyed it a lot and felt it added a lot of stuff that people had been asking for a long time
To say that this game is underrated is an understatement, I LOVE USUM it was 1 of my favorite Pokemon games next to Platinum but I highly love this game for what's it worth. For starters the amount of Pokemon that is feature in this region is phenomnial including the birth of regional variants by taking a old Pokemon from a previous region of Kanto and reimagine them to fit with this region of Alola. I never once care for Sandslash until I saw it's regional variant design and I immediately fell in love with it. Not only that but the people and the region itself, I know people tend to complain and say that the dialouge is too tidious but I frankly don't mind it that much, especially when they tend to have something interesting to say and give the characters somewhat of a personality despite not having voice actors. Also as well doing the side missions and other like Mantine surfing & taking photo pictures with ones Pokemon which I did for my team and save. As for the story I would agree it's not all that perfect but I stll do quite find it appealing despite Lusamine's motives. And even so much so when rewatching the events of this in anime of Pokemo Evolution where it is kinda beat for beat with the game, I really appreciate that. And lastly the island vibes of Alola just reminds me of my home in the Caribbean which makes me feel right at home. Truly USUM was amazing and is my personal favorite Pokemon game ever.
I would put generation 7 in general in the top half of Pokémon generations, in spite of its flaws. I appreciate how it tried to change up the formula, and I genuinely had a blast playing all of them. The one thing I didn’t like about USUM was exactly what you brought up about the changes to the story. I thought it was a significant downgrade from SuMo, which I thought had one of the best stories in a Pokémon game. But other than that I appreciate the enhancements and challenges added to the Ultra games.
when it comes to challenge these games are ones where a few fights i actually had a hard time with. They made me actually care about using held items when possible and think about what i should be using. Nanu when i fought him the first time actually kicked my ass as i wasn't taking him seriously. The challenge in these games is just great. The story i think falls flat (when compared to regular sun/moon), don't like what they did with Lilly or Gladion but Hau got much better and the most game was fun specially the rainbow team rocket stuff. These games are overall a treat to play
I adored SuMo when it first came out - I even bought the official merch of Lillie's bag! That said, I never ended up finishing USUM because it felt too much like replaying a game I just finished. I picked UltraSun back up this year though and love it! The world design of Alola, all the graphics and sound design, how everything down to the GUI matches the aesthetic, on top of the gameplay and story, everything about it's just got so much care put in.
Mantine surf is also such an improvement. It's an adventure you're supposed to be journeying, being fast traveled to the next island sucked. I get why they did it (too much water 7.8/10 -IGN) and I think mantine surf was a nice way to meet in the middle. You still get to travel between the islands, but it's a mini game so it's not a tedious water route like ruby and sapphire had.
I think that what hurt these games the most was not only releasing too close to the originals, but the fact they had the Switch ready for them and still choose to put them on the 3DS. That system was already struggling with Sun and Moon and it's even more evident with Ultra. If the games had been consolidated into one (like the rumoured Stars) and had it released on the Switch instead, I think they would've been recieved with more enthusiasm by the community.
They always did that. Pokemon black/white could have also came out for the 3ds behause it was Almost out. And black/white2 came out one year After the 3Ds was Already out. So just accept that it was always Like that and stop crying
USUM should have been the first steps into a Alola, maybe with a Pokémon Eclipse version to follow. We still didn’t get the golf course opened up and the skip cutscene option Sword and Shield introduced would have been most welcome here since the cutscene length is off putting for replaying. But as the mainline farewell to the 3DS it’s reasonably solid and suffered from bad timing more than anything, trying to rush a new generation for the twentieth anniversary over quality control or giving Kalos another desperately needed game.
This video makes some great points. However, I still found all of the Alola games to be a chore to play. There are obviously games I like more than others, but Alola was the first region where I felt like I was forcing myself to play through the games. I used to replay games multiple times when they first came out. SM/USUM we’re the first time I didn’t do that. They tried to change up the formula for once so I give them that, but it just didn’t do it for me. Also, Maybe HGSS? Those are the ones I see mentioned the most when it comes to best games and I’m guilty of that too 😂
Ultra sun was my first ever pokemon there's so much nostalgia there for me. My favourite pokemon is rowlet and I loved the story in the games, it's a shame people hate the games so much 😢
One of the better Pokemon games these games had such an amazing world with Alola and Ultra Space It kinda feels like the Smash Ultimate of the Pokemon Franchise with every pokemon and a lot of previous characters showing up as well as two battle gimmicks in the game you can't not have fun while playing these games
I do love Pokemon Sun/Moon Nintendo 3DS games and upgrade version of Pokemon Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon Nintendo 3DS because despite different version of the storylines I do like the theme region inspiration from Hawaii and the feature like Festival Plaza, Poké Pelago, Poké Finder, Alola Photo Club and Trainer Customisation. Popplio is my favourite Alola starter Pokemon of all as it evolved all the way into Primarina that's why I choose it as my starter Pokemon in my Pokemon Sun/Moon games and Pokemon Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon Nintendo 3DS because Primarina is very beautiful as it's appearence look more female rather a male which is perfect for a female trainer like me.
I strongly (respectfully) disagree. I always hated this game, and this was the very installment that convinced me that this was just not my Pokémon anymore, and that the series was starting to move in a direction that just didn't click with me. Evidently, things have still not improved as of Scarlet/Violet. But at least we can still play the classics, and oldschool Pokémon is good enough for me.
I've played um and sun only once but they're already my favourite games ever! It felt like the cutscenes are integral to the story and I don't mind how long they are, also double battles improved in the alola games as there's not a lot of lag compared to gen 6, and story wise, I wish I could have fought lusamine and her beasts, but I think that the last fairy trial replaced those battles and OF COURSE THESE ARE THE HARDEST GAMES EVER!N. Especially with level caps, these games balanced quality of life features and also difficulty, you just couldn't pick up a Pokemon with super effective moves and win immediately, you needed a strategy always! That's why I think that there's so many different types of Pokemon on each island, to help you prepare
I was only able to play USUM last year and I wasn't poisoned by the hate train. I enjoyed these games very much! Ofc there are criticisms and room for improvement, but it's not as bad as fans spread.
I wasn't even grinding but I had a big issue where for the 2nd half of the game I was overlevelling a lot of trainers by 5-10 levels until the game's elite four equivalent, also never finished original Sun before emulating Ultra Sun but I thought it was really lame you couldn't get 10% Zygarde until postgame because I liked using it in Sun and it wasn't THAT strong
While I personally prefer SM due to their story, USUM has a vaster game play and they are nonetheless very enjoyable. I wish the plot was more cohesive to SM but I am not sure if they could have done that like Ultra Necrozma being Postgame content as that would kill the purpose of the enanched versions. Anyway idk how people are going to take this but... I actually don't mind Alola's cutscenes, I actually enjoy them.
Like most modern games, the Alola region had the potential to be really good, but I don't think the execution was good as it could have been. In general, pokemon has not taken the steps it needed to in order to create memorable experiences and appealing worlds in the modern video game market.
2023 and I still do some of my shiny hunting in them. Still not too fond of the hand holding in the story mode, but that's probably because I bought multiple copies of each version just to shiny hunt legendaries and the hand holding slows things down.
For me personally, USUM didn’t add enough to justify having to play through the whole thing again 😅 don’t get me wrong, I don’t hate Alola, but the handholding pacing is just terrible. I feel like it takes so long to get the ball rolling
Pokemon X and Pokemon Y are my very first Nintendo 3Ds games back in 2014 that I've played which got me starterd to liked the Pokemon games. My favourite Kalos Starter Pokemon is Fennekin because to me as it evolved into Braxien and then to Delphox as it looks more feminine as a female rather than a male. Delphox is very beautiful 💖and remind me of a combination of a fox, Japanese girl in Kimono and a witch with a sticking making magic. That's why I picked Fennekin as my starter Pokemon in both Pokemon X and Pokemon Y Nintendo games because it's suitable for a female trainer like me👍.
If anything USUM is worse than I remember, The first island was just a hour of text boxes and handholding. USUM also doesn't add that much new content, they could've added brand new locations like what Emerald and Platinum did but they just choose to ruin Sun and Moon's story, add the horrible Rainbow Rocket storyline, and add in Ultra Megalopolis which is just a fancy straight line and a boss room for Necrozma. Also the most underrated pokemon game? really? I don't want to sound rude but I can think of way more pokemon games that are more underrated than Ultra Sleep and Ultra Mediocre like the Pokepark games, TGC 1 & 2 for gameboy, and the list goes on and on.
Between the hallways of long unskipable cutscenes that offer little substance is perhaps the best Pokémon game. USUM to me are the best games with the biggest flaw in the series
The biggest issue I remember form USUM back in the day was the last time gamefreak tried anything like this we got BW2, which everyone loved. With how little hype or advertising came out with the games, those of us that didn't do more than casual market research beveled we were getting a sequel rather than a remake. Normally pokemon games go a few generations before a remake, so it really didn't fit that we were getting a remake using the same engine, models, and mechanics. The only real reason I kept it and finished it was because of the 4 new pokemon that got introduced. Gotta catch em all.
This game is easily in my top 5 ❤ I love how they made this similar to b2w2 which is my all time favorite game with the legendary fusions the variety of Pokemon & the post game is easily one of the best because of how crazy rainbow rocket was 🔥
It’s nothing like BW2 bc they ain’t sequels they just copied gen 5 with gender bent N and Ghetsis (Lillie and Lusamine) Aether being Plasma 2.0 and how the 3rd legendary can fuse with the other 2 legendaries….
Thank you for this video. Ive loved USUM and Gen 7 as a whole since they came out. These games are fantastic and ive never understoon the hate against them and i really hope others start seeing what i see in them because these games deserve far more love than they currently get. Gen 7 is my 2nd favorite generation in the series
Been feeling nostalgic for gen 7 lately, perhaps because it was the last generation without a ton of controversy or straight up bs, may be i just really loved the 3ds generation maybe it's because it was the last time my life felt not insane maybe it's some combination of it all. My only problem with the ultra games was they aside from a few differences it was the same game as sun and moon and i know emerald platinum and the others were the same way i just had higher expectations this time mainly because gen 6 didnt feel complete and black 2 white 2 where the best sequels/advanced editions we ever got and ultra felt a step back from that.
The games just needed rematches, a retooling of the battle agency, a more fun way to get hidden abilities... it needed a lot of stuff but at least the difficulty was better.