It's not only that, he obviously got some other skills as well. He managed to secure a deal with A.S.O., the organizers of the Tour de France, La Vuelta and many other big races. Kudos to him and A.S.O. for making this possible. If IOC or UCI was owning the rights for these races - we probably would have never seen any of this.
agreed! what's funny is my parents think LR is a super bland commentator who doesn't speak clearly, slurs his words and only cares about nerdy shit.... but for them cycling pretty much begins and ends with the grand tours, so they don't really know shit lmao
@@ianism3 I love LR's stuff, but your parents do have a point. We don't have to see it their way, but there's room in this world for their point of view. They want to follow cycling in a more superficial manner, and that's fine. Also, for listeners like me, who aren't native English speakers, it can be difficult at times to understand what LR is saying. Yesterday, I couldn't make out if he was saying "full vile" or "for Vine" ;)
Vine is such a resilient character, to come back after last year's Vuelta where he missed out from winning a stage. He lets his legs do the talking, silence the doubters and show how hard he's been working to get to this level. Will someone please pay this man a respectable salary.
@@Gardener7 Vine gave an interview with Daniel Friebe for the Cycling Podcast. Vine said he’s on the UCI minimum salary but he’ll get a bonus for winning stages.
I can't add to the spot on comments here, but thanks for always sharing your belief in Jay's abilities. It's been great to follow. Really enjoyed his win again today! Thanks, Patrick!
When Vine allegedly won in the fog (no witnesses) he rode the climb faster than Remco, who in turn crushed the GC favourites, except Mas. Underrated is an understatement.
Vine is great and all but he was deliberately given a 42 second gap. When evenepoel decided to attack he ate into the gap, pulling back 27 seconds on a shallow climb where vine had a massive advantage. So, yeah. He's great and all but let's not get ahead of ourselves. He's no GC climber. Yet.
I mean he got 5th in the Sun Tour, and had good results the year previous. I think he's just on a steady rise of performance. Also, I mean there's got to be a learning curve, just to be able to get to the line everyday. He's for sure one of the very best climbers at this very moment. Outstanding. He's signed with Alpecian/Fenix next year. I'd be extending his contract as soon as this Vuelta is done. They seem to get big results everywhere and pick fantastic best bang for the buck riders. Great job Jay Vine! Thanks for great insight and exceptional content these last few years. Are you going to a couple of stages?
@RealSweetKid best of luck in your endeavour to secure the king of the mountains title and the remainder of the tour. I am enjoying watching your performance.
@@troycollett8540 probably referring to needing a zwift academy thing for him to even be found, and now he is winning stages at a grand tour and climbing at a world class level.
Love that Mads P says it was a accident, He got in the breakaway! Well it remind Me what Peter Sagan could do in TDF 15-16-17 so maybe he should try again! Jay Vine must be obvious to VM on Home turf, dont understand Ewans Moaning its certainly not a VM for Sprinters, beware of Alaphilippe.
Keeping to the animal theme - elephant in the room today (so to speak) was that QS looked stronger than Jumbo. Rog was isolated most (all?) of he last climb. Such a contrast from first few stages.
quickstep played it perfect, no need to go harder on the final climb ... their main goal is maintain lead in GC ... and they did it. Where to now for Jay Vine? Cant see him getting anymore easy rides like that ... is he a good TT rider?
I saw him in the break and almost automatically assumed he would win. I still wonder why he was bleeding time in the first days…? He could seriously be in gc contention!
@@tcookiem OK, but if you see his climbing tempo is on par (or almost on par) with the favourites, one has to wonder how far he could get in GC. Maybe for the next GT...
At 6:54 , I think there has to be at least a bike length between before any time gaps are recorded. That looks like maybe 1.5 from this angle, but that's probably why they didn't bother initiating the time gap.
It's one second between consecutive finishers. As long as there's no gap longer than a second, everyone gets the same time as the first one in the group.
Vine is the super domestique that Pogacar desperately needs to next tour. He, McNulty and majka would be a really strong team, capable to challenge jumbo and vingegaard
Strong disagree. He has the skill set to win many stages without going for GC. Trying to change that skill set to an domestique would be so wasteful and boring
as a bora-fan i feel like you are neglecting your countryman hindley and give all your love to o'connor and vine. come on, there is enough love for all the aussies
O’Connor got no love today either, it’s more than I never had video rights for Italian races when hindley has done well. He should fly on Sierra Nevada
May he's just got a good poker face, but he looked like he had a lot left to give if anyone got close in the last few kilometers. The last 2.5km has a 10% average with pitches at 17%, and he rode them seated with a high cadence!
@6:16 Vines Jugular vein static blood volume would be off the charts! Jugular vein distention is so overt you could probably calculate it based on the shadow angle its personifying. 6.6wkg with a poker face for 30 mins and perfect posture on the bike. Zero fatigue on the face. I want what he is having hehe. 2022 is the year of the JV performances. Jay' Jugular Vein' Vine Jumbo Visma Jonas Vinegarhard
Vine is on flying form. Quickstep will benefit from vine continuing to get into breaks since Vine in the break will threaten top 10, 5, and podium spots before he threatens Evenepoel. Letting Vine in the break will be a cheeky way of goading Jumbo, Ineos and Bora into pacing allowing Quickstep to save themselves for the climb. A break won't cooperate with Vine on the flats now, but Vine is fine with break getting caught since he can win from GC group and can call his companions bluff if they don't cooperate. If the cards align right and vine keeps his form a podium isn't out of the question.
I think most people wouldn’t have said before the final climb he’s the favorite to win the stage within the attackers, with the likes Pinot and Soler. People underestimate him in that sense
He didn’t originate indoors, he originated as a MTB rider, then joined Nero Continental road team, rode in various races in Australia, NZ and the Philippines. He won the Zwift Academy during the pandemic while outdoor races stopped and Australians couldn’t travel internationally.
you are jumping the gun. Vine is very far from the level of Pogacar, Roglic and Vingegaard. He won two stages from breakway in the vuelta, he still needs to demonstrate he can be there with the best for 3 weeks every day. And then there is the TT...
@fensterfred So you are saying that Vine sgould go for GC at the TDF if X happens - AND then Y happens - And then Z happens. As my daddy used to say, IF a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass all day. BTW, the reason I was slow to respond is because I am coaching a developmental team and we are at a stage race this long weekend.
Glad Vine was actually able to be seen while winning this time. Amazing form he's got. Hope to see him lose some more time so he can win some more stages and keep that KOM jersey. Now, if only the race TV producer could actually show shots of the KOM points from the moto in FRONT of the riders instead of the one in back. Who is making those camera selection decisions?
I always wondered just HOW the Ozzies EVER produce such great climbers. ??? I guess if anyone has the body type/'build' of a pure grimpeur, and they move to Europe, they can be developed into a Grand Tour climber?? I just have this mindset that those from down under are great road sprinters/TT specialists, and trackies, but not climbers (pure or otherwise). Anderson, Evans, and a few others through the ages being the rare exceptions.
The rule is there have to be 1 full second between two riders to be given a different time. Even in this very stage there are less than 3 sec differences between riders. Eg. 27 HARPER Chris Jumbo-Visma 3:32 28 SÁNCHEZ Luis León Bahrain - Victorious ,, 29 PADUN Mark EF Education-EasyPost 3:34
This means that if there is a group in front of you that has intervals between each rider of less than three seconds, and you loose three seconds to the last of that group, everybody in front of you get the same time as the leader of their group and you get your own time when you cross the line. Let's say rider no 1 finishes first, rider no 2 who finishes one second after, gets same time. Rider no 3 finishes two seconds after leader, one second after previous rider, still in group, gets same time. This continues down to rider no 8 who finishes seven seconds after the leader, within three seconds of the rider in front, and gets the same time. You, however, finish four seconds after the previous rider no 8 and thereby you constitute a new group. You get your own finishing time, 11 seconds after the leader. The gap of more than three seconds cost you 11 seconds on everybody in the group ahead, including rider no 8, four seconds ahead of you. So what's to gain from this rule that looks like J.K. Rowling did math? No exhausted GC contenders sprinting and crashing atop mountains. You just have to stay within the group. The order only matters for bonus seconds if there are any. The only risk is if whoever is in front of you drops their wheel. Let's say you sit behind a domestique who stops pedaling at 150 m, they might make a split. Else, you are OK.
@@andrasszabo1570 I know that this sometimes happen. Timekeepers are of cause not commissaires. I refer to 2.3.040, I can't find a reference for the three seconds constituting a bunch that I was told my my usual timekeeper. Unusually he was also a commissaire so I trust his word to have been correct then. I have not donned a commissaires jacket since 2017, so it might have changed after that.
Love you man, but it’s one day…. I also love his riding, I mean Vine can go nuclear and rip everyone’s legs off, but can he do it day after day? I don’t know yet…
Hi, as I hear you pronouncing correctly "Angel" and "Jano", I'll give you the answer for your initial question if you're correctly pronouncing "Collau" : if fact, for every language and dialect spoken in Spain, every double LL will be pronounced as a Y if you like, in an initial position as in "Yonder" or in "You", more full, and not as in "bay", lighter. You don't say "PaeLa", but "PaeYa" ! Take care ! ❤
