@@chidorirasenganz they had the e-Up, which they should have kept going. I heard they initially lost about 1000 Euros per Vehicle. OK, raise the price by 3000 Euros, then and make a next-gen that is specifically designed as an Electric. If these had been war times, the job would already have been done. There is no way that VW is an efficient operation.
Lose money?? - IF they Lise money it`s there Owen fault. All car manufakturers have 2 choices: 1: get more Electric on the Road, cheap / 2: close If not, in 10 years there`ll be TESLA en Chinese, everybody Else are bankrupt.
@@NisseOhlsen yup - people are always saying they lose money on their EVS. So... just don't do that? Design a car, get the costs low with modern production, charge an unfair price for the first hundred thousand, lower the price as the plant is paid off. Simples. Instead they're just completely confused about how to build vehicles. Vertically integrate folks, it's the way of the rational.
@@TfRsmokinmastathats nothing. Here in Holland its a k’ching fest before our government allows them on the streets.. Although, still electric cars were possibly exempt but I’m not entirely sure.
Great to see a sensibly sized car rather than the grotesque behemoths from other German manufacturers. The Mk 2 was my second car and one of the most fun.
The thing is that this is going to come up against the MG4 in the market. But when this arrives for real it won't have all the beautiful things Jack is imagining.. and it'll be more like £45k... And.. It won't be the current MG4 but a version 3 or 4 that's better than the sporty version they've already introduced. We might also have the baby Tesla ¿Model 2? by then. (And a baby Nio?) Put simply, this will be eaten for breakfast in sales terms. VW have lost their edge. The sporty MG4 is already selling and this thing doesn't have an interior or tech specs!
Completely agree. I had one. Still my favourite car to own. The MK2 was everything a car needed to be. Quick but very practical. The ID2 is bigger then that car so I suspect it will appeal to families very quickly.
@@bilgyno1 but it's also HUGE! And to work in the confined streets and spaces that is virtually every EU/UK towns and cities it's way to big for everyone to own. The ID2 and this sportier cousin are significantly more people friendly.
Good to see VW returning to their heritage . They went off track abit with the ID3,4 range. Bring back the buttons for eace of use and loose haptic touch sensitive interfaces as they only work now and again if the aea is only touhed just right.Lovely looking ID GTI Concept. Cant wait till it goes into production.
This is an example of a car that is needed on the market pretty much now if the mainstream car manufacturers are not going to completely lose the lower cost segment of the market to Chinese brands like BYD and MG.
What I hate about current car manufacturers is every model is getting so much longer and taller and of course heavier all of which destroy both the economy and handling -the current Golf is so big you can actually fit an entire mk3 Golf in the boot. This actually along with the new Volvo EX30 both look ideal as not everybody wants a car the size of a bus to drive around.
Certainly in USA and Australia, and rapidly spreading, is that bigger is better. Even better if it rolls around like a jelly and drives like shit. Oh for a ... car without SUV in the name.
Humans getting taller and fatter and heavier . Safety laws means heavier and that's before batteries. Buyers want bigger low profile (heavier) tires. Only lightweight materials and cutting drag avoids it getting worse
@@stephendoherty8291 what people want is usually based on lies. Statistics and evidence shoes that SUV are more dangerous to be in and trucks more so. They all bar one, fail the standard crash avoidance test, they stop in a greater distance than the equivalent car, and are much more likely to roll over and kill you.
By the time this comes out 5 Chinese companies will have made it obsolete. I'm really getting tired of these concepts that are "planned" for the "future". It all feels like a bunch of legacy companies finding themselves behind trying to play catch up and having to rely on publicity stunts.
True, but still looks too much like MK8. I love the retro clusters - I hope that comes to production. I'll believe it when I see it. If its still on MLB, it will be coming out 2 generations behind as Tesla continues to pull away in advanced manufacturing but if they build it right (better get on the giga-casting bandwagon!), and soon, sign me up!
Honestly this is the exact car I've been waiting for. If it comes to the US then I don't see myself waiting too long to pick one up. Currently driving a 2017 Fiat 500e so a small, cheap car, that is capable of over 100mi is a genuine godsent. However if it doesn't, it's either gonna be the new Mini SE or importing a Cupra lol. I loved the Mini SE when it came out, but $35k for a 100mi car was genuinely oscinine. Now that the 2024-25 is supposed to be a 200+mi, the GTI and the SE seem like they'll be decent competitors.
If you have a 2017 500e, then it's a compliance model built on the ICE chsssis. The 2020 500e is a ground up EV with more room inside. It's also externally bigger than the ICE variant.
This is the perfect car for me as well. I plan to upgrade my current 17 GTI to this if it comes to the states. I don't even want to wait for first year bugs to be ironed out I want the first year model. Come on VW be nice to the states, let me be loyal to the GTI line!
@@jeremyradford5103 This is true. I kinda forgot about the newer 500e simply because Fiat essentially pulled out of the US a handful of years ago to my recollection. At least around where I am in Washington, the only model they sell is the 500X and the only dealership I ever saw got turned into a Tesla one.
Let’s hope they scale back all the software nonsense. Simplify! Simplify! There’s no need to cover cars in gadgets. I long to get back to basics in an affordable EV. Which would be much more achievable if they gave up on all the “assists “
This REALLY gives me warm feelings. My very first new car purchase was an '85 GTI in this same Mars Red color. The GTI was a move up from my '74 Opel Manta Rally, which was itself a bit of a tossable fun car. I drove the GTI for 16 years. If I wasn't 66 years old I would be making plans to get one of these, but I am resigned to just watching them from the sidelines and enjoying the enjoyment others will get from driving them. BTW the '85 GTI had the coldest air conditioner I have ever experienced which was greatly appreciated here in Texas.
Exactly. Concept cars are easy, mass production is hard. I'll be amazed if this thing is $30k or less and be profitable. I'm curious how VW simulates the mk1 handling experience given that this will have a heavy battery under it while the mk1 was an extremely light car. Maybe they've figured out how to defy physics.
So, its the previous ID2 concept car with a sexy paint job on a CLAY MODEL. Well, that will be in the dealers in no time, not. And vapour-ware interior .....
love the design, love the fact that they actually reduced the size of a model for once, would love the price if they actually managed to hit it but we'll see about that.
Totally agree. This is the electric VW we’ve been waiting for. I.D 3/4/5 just don’t do anything for me at all. I can’t wait to have the 80s dials if I want to. It’s unbelievable that no car maker seems to have made digital dials as versatile and playful as they could be. I was designing dashboards with screens that could display information in different styles 40 years ago when I was 10. It’s about time we saw that in cars. Instead we have Abarth making tiresome noises and VW making fiddly non-backlit buttons… 🤦🏽♂️
Would you buy it without a tax credit, at likely 40k+(based on current gti prices) and with 220 or less epa miles of range though? The autofuegel channel guy said his sources qouted about 220-240 miles wltp, minus another 10-15% off that for the epa range.
@@4literv6 That range is a bit rough, and $40k seems a bit high based on the EUR price. If it were in the low $30k range I'd consider it even with 200 miles of range.
@@human_brian it'll be built in Spain though, so ad import tariffs and currency conversion rates. Plus look at current ice gti prices in the U.S. most near me in ATL are 35-40k+ depending on options without dealer markups. Some even more than that. It's a low volume cult following in good times type of car. So far evs have carried a 10-20% price premium over a similarly specced out ice model even within the same manufacturer lineup. But maybe by late 2026 or early 2027 vw can pleasantly surprise on the price? 🤔
Finally a good-looking ID. The tinted windows and perfect lighting in the studio make it look clean like a 3D-model. The only downside is that start-date of 2025. Why the hell do VW need that long if they have the whole thing designed and it's not running on a new platform (or is it?). Certainly the best ID, yet.
Do not worry, 2025 is of course a joke. It will be 2027 or better 2030. We are talking about VW. Announcing and promising since forever. I´ve seen the BUZZ concept somewhere around 2012, supposed to be on the road by 2016. Or the ID3, nothing like promised, 3 years late and without software. Nahhh, this is a model shell to show something on the motor show. Nothing more.
Well at least this has 4 wheel disc brakes finally. A heat pump finally. Lfp for base pack's and truly massive 125kw charging in 2026. 😀 They have also aggressively stomped on any conjecture for an awd version coming out. Saying gti is fwd only and gtx awd is for other model's.
to each their own but i don’t think a car should be judged on tech alone unlikely as it may be since it’s a VW, but it may just be a more enjoyable ride
@@konohanin8686 modern fully iot connected, ota updateable evs are now basically tech on wheels though. It's only going to continue that way as well. So what OTHER choice do manufacturers have in order to compete on a global stage. 🤔
@@4literv6 that’s the development i don’t like, nowadays the financially viable thing for a manufacturer is just to throw in one or several huge screens, and if it wasn’t for the car doing so much, we’d probably see a noticeable increase in accidents where the driver wasn’t paying attention
This or the ID2 are likely to be my next car. I love my ID3, but it is a bit boring and the interface is terrible. Looking forward to hearing when these will be available and perhaps they'll do a Cupra version too and not release it 6 months after I get a new car 😂
We need more of this. Everyone's out there trying to make the best generic mid-sized crossover appliance, or the best hyper-expensive hypercar. There's no fundamental reason an EV can't be practical and engaging, and I hope VW finds the right balance between those like they did with their first-generation hot hatches.
Fun? Fun driving? Good. Corners are also available! Amused by the homage to the Pirelli wheels on the original. Hoping I can fit my 6'4" frame and size 14 feet inside a sporty VW EV.
By the time this is being build, if it ever gets build, Tesla will have a Model 2 or 1, simply Tesla, on the market. VW is so far behind and looses so much money, it will be interesting to see whats left in 2027 or better 2030 when this is suppose to come.
Ummm, how history is forgotten. You sure you haven't heard of cheap british sports cars such as MGs, Spifires, etc? I am sure they were quite fun and not supercars at all
Polestar just changed their single motor to RWD and changed the bias of the dual motor car to be more RWD where before it was more evenly split (we have that dual motor performance version and it's so much fun). No idea why they wanna stick with FWD while going EV for single motor cars when RWD will always be advantageous.
German concept in 2023: "this is a sneak preview of the future spirit of our legacy hot hatch brand" American reality in 2027: "you get to choose from Taos, Tiguan, and Atlas because you're boring losers"
Best I can say atm is 'interesting'. Hope they keep that handle free back door design. Adds an element of 2 door coupé to an otherwise boring 4 door design. Would much rather them design an EV based around the most recent Scirocco design.
I don't know why they're waiting years to release the ID2. They're a legacy carmaker with the financial kick to prioritise a cheaper mass market car. Tesla needed to sell super expensive kickstart cars to build their brand and bank balance, but a company like VW delaying cars like this which will appeal to many more people in design and price, just doesn't make sense. Get it built already!
Tesla needed to start with more expensive models, that was their master plan. They now sell the most popular car in the world and make money hand over fist. The Model Y beat the Corolla in Q1. The expectation is that their own budget car will come out when the Mexican Gigafactory comes online however that's just guesswork until it happens. For all we know they might start with commercial vans in the same way they focused on the Tesla Semi and for the same reason (the fossil vehicles produce wild amounts of pollution, so the same batteries in a Semi takes out more pollution than the equivalent number of passenger cars). It's impossible to understand why VW, Stellantis and GM are doing so badly at this. But I for one won't be sorry to see any of them go.
@@jonevansauthor dude, exactly. By twiddling their thumbs they stand to lose market share year on year while they release car after car which is prohibitively priced.
EVs are expensive to make - people won't buy an expensive small car in sufficient numbers. That's why you are getting lots of expensive SUVs (middle-class buyers) VW are hoping that by 2026/27 costs will have come down, otherwise they are going to lose a shed load of money.
@@louishiggins8881 that's not how it works though which is why we expect they'll go bust. Prices don't just come down over time. Tesla's new model has 50% changed parts, and that's in large part due to finding smarter ways to achieve the result and save costs. They need better designs to improve their manufacturing, including better designed factories.
We bought a citroen c4 1.6hdi grand Picasso. I've got back to diesel guys. No more huge loans and endless worries! We just drove to Poland and it was easy.
Yes but it does have... *checks* oh... 0% of the charm of the original layout and design, they didn't even copy the classic look everyone liked and would 100% of bought, or any useful aspects. Unless I misunderstood and the original was insanely expensive and not fit for purpose. Yeah. I can imagine the VW camper fans were pretty disappointed by that.
@@Zoyx I think the problem is that VW fans wanted a new version of the same thing. That would at least have justified a price hike. So it's neither cost effective, nor a good design. No reason to pay more for it. If you wanted to replace a completely different vehicle to the original bus, that's a different proposition entirely and it's also not suitable for that. They shot themselves in the feet first, then the face. I hope it helps bankrupt them personally.
@@Zoyx doesn't need to have an air cooled antiquated ICE engine to be lower price than it is. By a substantial margin. It's just supposed to be a box on wheels with a low power engine. Fact. VW put no engineering or production effort into this. None at all. It's a joke.
Ive owned 2 ID4s since they were released. I never minded the crappy UI controls until I broke the screen on my 2nd one. A small piece of wood slid into it during a fast stop. What happened next was very telling. Ordered the part and because the 2023 model had just come out there were no screens to be had. This was in winter this year and by losing the screen I lost every climate control in the car. The only choice I had was to try and say "ID please turn on heater" in the month it took to get a new screen that control worked exactly once. I could double tap the seat heaters which was the only heat in the car but could not run the defroster or any other heat. The screen was repaired eventually but I saw the severe weakness of the ID control design. I still have it but I did buy a Toyota BZX4 which I have grown to love the simple climate control buttons. If VW can get away from everything running on the screen like you suggest here with the GTI I will for sure get one (if they come to the US).
The ID.2all looks so damn good, I love it! I guess it's supposed to be an electric polo, but it definitely reminds me of my '97 Golf IV. In fact, I have this book about the Golf IV and the concept drawings of it in 1997 kinda look like the ID.2all 🤔 It's like they dreamt big in 1997 and have finally achieved their desired design xD
Finally!!!! VW has remembered its roots in the past and all the greatness it brought the world! Here comes the electric hot hatch segment full on! Bravo VW, Bravo!!!!
Germany auto OEMs have still been slowing down their EV efforts across the board - hopefully this doesn't get caught up in it. I think it'll struggle to compete with the MG4 X-power too.
@esm7708 Unless they build it in China. The standard range MG4 is just under 27k, but the X-power is 36k, so we'll have to wait and see. Who knows what battery prices will be in 2-3 years!?
@esm7708 Indeed. To be honest, if VW wants to go down the nostalgia route, they should bring out a beetle EV based on the original design as far as possible.
Amazing, to me a child of the 80’s it definitely looks like a golf to me. Love the Fire Engine 🚒 Red colour. It’s definitely what’s needed affordable cars
Wait until 2028 for a FWD warm e-hatch? I already drive a Golf GTI and have waited years for VW to come out with an electric version. As luck would have it, MG just launched the MG4 Xpower so I’ve ordered that. Goodbye VW.
Wow! VW nailed it with this design. Let's hope they don't mess with the concept too much for production, give it a decent range, and an affordable price tag.
Being the top version it won't be affordable. But this design seems incredibly near a production car. They'll likely just to fix the bugs and let it go.
This is all fine, but honestly unless there is a drivetrain to match its just another body kit hiding the same innards. Given the recent appearance of the Kia EV6 GT and Hyundai Ionic 5N I suspect the're all hiding in the toilet in Munich right now, as a GTI/GTD person I really really really expected more of the existing ID models - there is no reason why they couldnt put a decent drive train in them and provide something with some thrill. The ID3 GTX looked reasonably acceptable from the outside, but we hear nothing of its arrival. I dearly hope they dont just create another Cupra Born here.
I'm quite certain in 10 years one of the big 3 German companies will be in serious financial trouble. They're just not serious about the technology and can't get it done. If it's not made of nuts and bolts they're not interested. Doesn't feel like "engineering" to them. Start learning Mandarin.
the old skool skin clocks would be a very cool touch, really hope vw pulls this off, as a former vw owner and enthusiast from a mk2 until after the mk5 i really lost the vw bug and the whole platfrom just lost its way in my opinion, wouldnt even consider a new vw now, but the gti ev for the company car list would sway me for sure.
As a former gti 6spd owner, this might be the most interesting and desirable EV I've seen yet. I hope these get to the US sometime in the next decade. Looking at you, VW.
I've currently got a Golf GTI Clubsport and this is the first ev that I'd actually like to buy. Surprised a company like VW are taking so long to make it, if at all!
Am I the only one who thinks this looks more like a Polo? The way I’d thought the platforms stacked up was ID 2 polo ID3 golf Especially if ID2 will be VWs entry level EV. Either way it looks brilliant
Depending on range I do like the look of this. Likely between this and Tesla Model 2 for my first electric car when my current lease runs out in a few years.
