@@johnwang9914 It seems too ambiguous especially against the likes of "Make it so" "Enagage" "Hit it" "punch it" etc. I feel like he already says "proceed" and was saying that before hand anyway.
Wouldn't *THAT* be kick in the pants: an alternate universe's Battlestar lost in "our" universe 153,000+ years after the original. Given the time difference, said battlestar would probably be an upgraded _Titan-_ class Battlestar. . .
If it's those damned whale probe aliens again, I swear to Q I will... Oh, and Saru, just go with "Engage". If you check Starfleet records you'll find that it's considered a classic for captains *baldly* going where no one has gone before.
@@Hendo56 But Captain Pike wasn't bald like Picard and Saru... I'm hoping Saru winds up with "Please" as he's way too polite and clearly a pushover at least by Burnham.
@@robgyanisu312 - Yes, but remember that Pike is less well known than Picard outside of serious Trekker circles. Pike actually became more than just a character in rejected pilot and a flashback episode only when Discovery brought him in. Plus, I was trying to be humorous with the "baldly going" comment.
I'm not completely caught up with Discovery, but I'm really hoping the Tholians are brought in at some point. They had some reason to be involved in the temporal war during Enterprise, and I'd love to see them shown less as "creepy bug villain" and perhaps that they were trying to correct the burn somehow. Also, just would love to see them with updated cgi :)
Actually their reason for being involved in the TCW was revealed in Star Trek Online... and it's actually pretty sad. Remember the Nakuhl? Turns out the Tholians and the Nakuhl are in a never ending cycle of revenge due temporal predestination paradox. Basically the Nakuhl at one point destroyed a Tholian Colony ship with a Queen on board. An act of genocide that is roughly on par with the destruction of an entire planet. This particular act of destruction happened in the 23rd Century but the Nakuhl have launched smaller attacks on the Tholians at least as far back as the 22nd. As such the Tholians seek revenge against the Nakuhl for this... ironically from the Nakuhl perspective, this was an act of revenge, apparently in the 25th Century, the Tholians managed to destabilize the Nakuhl Star in an attempt to destroy them. But of course, the Tholians saw this as vengeance for their lost Queen and Colony ship. So because of time travel travel, each side is constantly trying to get revenge for an act of genocide the other technically hasn't committed yet...
@@charleswest782and that’s why there were temporal laws made banning time travel in either direction that put the Discovery crew in slight danger when they first arrived at the Starfleet HQ
Or the mirror Terran universe version, the displaced Kelvin timeline version, the duplicate prime timeline version somehow created by an anomaly going forward in time, etc, etc....
That would be good but if you remember the real ISS Discovery was destroyed by Klingon ships that’s why when USS Discovery came back they were placed at gun point thinking they were a fake cause the admiral saw the ISS Discovery get destroyed
I was convinced that the Burn was related to the rising radiation levels which the Kelvans said is making the whole Andromeda galaxy uninhabitable. That would have been much cooler than what we got.
@@newcarpathia9422 It really didn't make much sense logically, though. Like, for example, there are plenty of ways of getting around which don't require dilithium crystals.
@@NoJusticeNoPeace I think it was explained somewhere that going faster than warp1 requires prohibitively huge amounts of energy without dilithium but IDK if it's cannon
Anyone remember an episode from one of the older series that talked about how Warp travel was damaging space, or sub space over time, the more it was used? Perhaps this Federation distress signal is coming from the catalyst of that damage finally resulting in the Burn.
That was Star Trek the Next Generation, maybe it finally caught up with them? But I doubt it. I think, given the fact that they have managed to decipher enough of the signal to determine it's a Federation Distress Signal coming from the very start of the "Burn"? The Federation tested some kind of drive system in the origin point-and it was such a catastrophic misfire it burned the Dilithium across the known galaxy because whatever the drive system did "heated up" the dilithium. The Federation Covered It Up-and likely thought they'd never be exposed because the records were torched for anyone below the top level of Starfleet Command and the ships and drive system were obliterated. But the ship wasn't destroyed, it's been "shifted" in some way so that it still exists and the crew are alive, although who knows what state they are in. They just cannot escape wherever they have ended up... Anyone want to bet it was an attempt to recreate to recreate the Spore Drive that Discovery has? If the test ripped a hole in time and space because they did it wrong and didn't have Stamets with Tardigrade DNA to fix it? The creatures which live in the Mycelial Network warned that Discovery's passage was damaging it every time they passed through, but they could do it safely thanks to Stamets. Without him? They might just have blow a whole in reality as we understand it in trek, letting into normal space something which should never have been allowed out...
That was a TNG episode. However, after the TNG, Voyager, DS9 series all ended, a web series had been proposed in the distant future were accidents with the Omega molecule destroyed vast regions of subspace splitting the Federation into two and leaving many starships including a galaxy class starship stranded in regions where warp was not possible and hence being centuries away from a habitable planet or moon. The storyboards for this abandoned web series exist online and the stories actually look really good and this series is far more likely the inspiration for the burn. However the general time travel and rebuild from a dystopian is a Roddenberry theme which he first tried with the tv pilots Genesis II, and Planet Earth and was finally made into "Andromeda Ascendant", all that differs from Discovery Season 3 is not calling Michael Burnham, Dylan Hunt. The burn is very different from the damaged subspace trope. With the burn, the dilithium crystals just became very rare and many ships were destroyed by the subsequent unregulated matter antimatter reactions. Warp is still possible in this dystopic future, it's just that functioning dilithium is rare. It should be noted that dilithium isn't actually needed for warp, it's needed for regulating the massive energy release of matter antimatter reactions. Discovery is making a major continuity break by claiming dilithium is needed for warp but not for other FTL means but of course Discovery has always shown they cared very little for continuity.
Actually, after centuries of trying, StarFleet finally managed to develop a feasible transwarp drive-adapted from the one used by the Borg-and it ultimately created a subspace feedback loop that resulted in any and all dilithium-modulated matter/anti-matter reactions going _runaway,_ resulting in catastrophic warp-core breaches to occur Federation-wide and beyond.
You know if I didn't know what the burn actually turned out to be and someone described it to me...I would think they were BSing me, and the last time that happened, it was in regards to what they did to Deadpool in X men Origins Wolverine and being told Deadpool "had his mouth sealed shut, could teleport, had blades in his arms, and shot lasers out of his eyes.".
The origin of the "Burn" is located in a nebula, the music that everybody have been hearing is happened to be a Federation distress signal. This is it, this is the "Calypso" episode from "Short Treks", this might confirm that episode is a official canon.
@@theconfederation Just because the nescelles are detached now in normal operation, does not mean they can not be reattached. To save power or work with damage for example. Programmable mater has many advantages. It hs pretty clear that in Calypso the Spheredata has become fully sentient. Wich clearly puts it after her first talking to Saru.
In Calypso I got the very distinct feelign Discovery was hiding there, waiting for it's crew. My idea was that the Crew had to timetravel into the future without the ship. And the ship was time travelling "the hard way". Parking it in a dangerous nebula would be just about the right place for doing that without affecting the timeline. But you *really* want to be certain the Federation or any other power will not survey the Nebula while you are hiding there. Wich is a lot easier if you got the entire 1000 years of history in your computers. At least the Discovery might still be time travelling once more. For some reason.
I'm thinking, if it is Disco, that perhaps it's a duplicate. Michael did say Discovery encountered turbulence in the wormhole, so it could've duplicated Disco.
thats not a first officer's duties. those are more executive officer's. Its a new term. commonly known as a admin assistant, secretary, yeoman. she's the captain's yeoman
I still have my bar on Deep Space 9 by the way. The Bajoran Wormhole still works. Stop by Quarks before you make the trip to the G Quadrant. I have root beer.
Hell, it's star trek. we'd be lucky if it was as simple as genesis. My running theory is that the Enterprise was delayed for a few hours on some filler episode and late getting to research asteroid in a nebula where they are studying bugs and the team gets eaten and no one even knows until they stumbled across the distress beacon but it'll be too late to save anyone and they spent way too much time recovering the shaky video logs of some ensign that couldn't stop the burn before he was eaten alive. (That's a lower decks reference)
@@rocket396 or some other federation ship. And it’s poor crew. Remember it could of been there for hundreds or thousands of years due to this is when Star Trek ship have temporal drives.... could of been a observation ship. Trying to see a supernova.
The only thing that bothers me about the show is the number of times the characters 'um' 'ah' 'eh' or act sorta awkward etc.. I would expect from their characters something more.. military-like? The commander seems cool though.
is the music the same? "Equilibrium" Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episode Episode no. Season 3 Episode 4 Directed by Cliff Bole Story by Christopher Teague Teleplay by René Echevarria Featured music Jay Chattaway Production code 450 Original air date October 17, 1994
I hope that this burn thing didn’t damage Star Trek and the federation now being broken up always loved seeing how humanity and the federation would go this burn just destroys it all
To be truthful, the 950 years should've made the existence of the Federation unlikely never mind the loss of a critical resource to FTL travel. Very few human civilization's have lasted beyond 300 years.
@@walterdayrit675 Are you saying that modern Italy is still the civilization of ancient Rome. What is typically called civilizations have not lasted very long. Granted, we could say only the governments didn't last but there's a reason why we do not consider modern Italy the same civilization as ancient Rome, modern Egypt the same civilization as ancient Egypt and we laugh at China's claims that their ancient past justifies claiming the South China sea beyond modern conventions.
The Portuguese language equivalent to "execute" is spelt the same way, but pronounced in a different one. It is how Picard's "make it so" is translated in Brazil (maybe in other Portuguese-speaking countries, too?).
They should revisit unfinished story lines like V'ger, the probe from Star Trek 4, those Aliens from TNG that tried infiltrating Star Fleet, Species 84725, Q.
The Burn doesn't make sense to me. At this point in time they would know even more about Romulan technology. Romulan tech does not utilize Dilithium or a traditional warp core. They could have simply built or modified ships to use that tech.
Need a new way to say engage? How about, "Engage." Me, I'd just order that two big buttons got rigged up to the captain's chair, one green one marked GO, the other, a big red one marked STOP. Hitting GO engages warp., hitting stop drops you out of warp. No words needed.
"Sail through the Stars...", or, "Voyage through the Void...", or, "Worlds Await..." would, personally, be my particular catchphrase if I were a Starfleet Captain. 😊
Ok I have not watched any episodes from season 3 but I bet that distress signal came from the shutell from season 2 were they enterd a nebula and fired a probe into it and it came back with control
And future Starfleet couldn't figure out something this obvious? They had to have detected the "music" being broadcasted through the galaxy. This would be like a bunch of Vikings time traveled to our time in their wooden ship, then immediately finding a cure for cancer using our own technology.
So.... Federation until 30+ th century hadn't managed to work out details from Quantum Silpstream drive, spatial trajector or copy Romulan singularity powered drive? Only Corchane pattern warp drives were in widespread use?
They shoulda had a captured klingon in the brig whos a complete badass that way when they came to the future at least one klingon could be around during all of this
I really dislike this idea that there was a geographic source for the burn as it means it would be an extreme FTL propagation. I would prefer something organic such as the crystals simply reaching a common maturity as we often see in organisms such as bamboo and was shown of a silicon lifeform in a ToS episode "The Devil in the Dark". Living crystals was also seen in TNG such as the crystalline entity and the glittering sand on a planet being terraformed. Seriously, why would a message in a distress signal need to be decoded. Wouldn't you want a distress signal to be easily understood regardless of who received it? Nebulas are also closer to a vacuum than any vacuum we can currently produce on Earth.
It was never very likely that the Burn really happened everywhere, all at once. That is even more implausible than it having propagated at very high speed. Sapient crystals would not resolve that problem. For example, the nerve impulses inside your body do not travel at infinite (or even at light) speed. Some kind of space would still need to be traversed. As even Discovery does when it uses the mycelial network. The message is distorted and needs to be cleaned up. Note that, depending on what that starship was doing, the distress call might not be open for anyone to understand. If it was on a classified or unauthorized mission then it might indeed send a coded signal that contained information only intended for Starfleet. Depends on the state of the nebula. For example, if star formation is happening inside then the density and energy of the nebula will increase as matter gets drawn together by gravity. Also, what if the nebula isn't natural, but artificial?
@@daniels7907 An organic reason for the burn would not require sentience or communication as bamboo are not sentient and many lifeforms that have this behavior, many being insects such as Mayflies show this behavior without sentience or communication. The organic rationale is simply they are all of the sane generation, all reaching maturity together and hence dying together. With bamboo, much of this is because of vegetable propagations, most of the plants are clones of each other and may even be interconnected as one organism. With mayflies, they are all one generation hatched from their eggs due to environmental conditions, reproduce, lay a new generation of eggs and die together. In none of the biologic scenarios are there any messaging or sentience, just a common generation. The organic rationale us more like how flowers of a given species oprn their flowers more or less at the same time, how apple trees in an orchard tend to fruit at the same time, no communication or sentience involved. Having said that, even though the spore drive itself is a biologic rationale for their FTL. I doubt that the writers have extended a biologic cause to the burn and it looks like they are going to try and convince us that some extreme FTL transient field causes the burn however unlikely that may be or inconsistent with lore that may be. Of course discovering what this is would become an incredible weapon till a way to shield against it is found. Note that in the Alcubierre warp drive, each traveling ship is in it's own pocket universe and would be completely unaffected by whatever is outside of their bubble. Fundamentally, the burn having spread from an origin seems not only unlikely as that would require something at extreme FTL which has never been indicated in Star Trek lore but impossible by our current concepts of warp travel. But of course, that won't bother the writers any.
@@johnwang9914 - But you are still talking about multicellular organisms that are *physically* connected at the molecular level. Unless all dilithium is connected through subspace the same way that the mycelial network is, which you would have expected people to have noticed before the 32nd century given how widely-used dilithium was by people who knew about subspace, then there is no basis for arguing that all dilithium in the galaxy counts as a single organism. And contrary to what you appear to believe, entire species do not all evolve together with traits spreading throughout the species except via *physical* means. If I were to exhibit a benevolent mutation, that mutation would not automatically be transferred to all other humans, or even *any* other humans unless I procreated and the gene was successfully passed on.
@@daniels7907 Is one mayfly physically connected to another? I'm only saying they are of the same generation except for the few dilithium crystals that continued to function. No need for interconnection or even being multicellular, simply having the same life cycle. We even see this with single cells undergoing mitosis together. It's more like two clocks striking 12 nearly together, it may not even have to do with life, just the crystals all having similar cycles and hence become inert more or less together.
@@johnwang9914 - Which, again, makes little sense since dilithium is (or was) found in many places throughout the galaxy - and the galaxy wasn't all created at the same time!
Ever since ToS, dilithium crystals were described as regulating the massive energy release from matter antimatter reactions. Presumably any other means of regulating such energies would be too large and massive for space travel and presumably other FTL technologies that are entirely ship based would also require dilithium crystals so the Romulan artificial singularity power source would also use dilithium crystals though an unregulated black hole would not explode but we could imagine other negative effects such as simply swallowing the ship. The Borg also had Transwarp inherent to their ships and those presumably required dilithium crystals but they also used Transwarp conduits which are completely external to their ships so they would still have limited FTL without warp or Transwarp. It's just that travel to and from a Transwarp conduit could take centuries and artificially opening a Transwarp conduit would again require massive energies and hence dithium crystals. Note that they did show that warp plasma could be stored, this was shown in both Voyager and Enterprise. This also means that vehicles capable of limited warp for limited ranges without a warp cores or matter antimatter reactors was possible through stored warp plasma in a fashion similar to how the small steam locomotives in railyards didn't have burners but merely stored steam from a stationary source. Usage of stored warp plasma would explain escape pods being able to reach habitable world's and moons, and warp capable shuttles smaller than the runabout class which has an external warp core. I would imagine a dystopic future where dilithium crystals are very rare would still have low warp limited range freighters along trade routes (hence not all known world's would be united) and would need to be refilled with warp plasma at each destination from stationary warp cores that use far more massive power regulation means. These freighters would probably look like large tanks with nacelles and would probably be easy to detonate with well placed shots.
@@walterdayrit675 the burn seems to have destroyed all active dilithium, which is likely what the Borg ran on as well. Combine that with Voyager's destruction of the Borg Queen and the transwarp network, and the Borg are likely just as crippled as the rest of the galaxy.
@@TempestCrown Still, the Borg are quite durable and technologically adaptive. You would have that they would have assimilated other varied ways of faster than light travel.
How cool would it be if this is how they integrate the “Calypso” short into the show’s continuity? It would explain the “continuity errors” everyone’s been prematurely complaining about.
I don't like how this episode is turning out what I mean by this is if you go back and watch Star Trek the Next Generation and Star Trek Deep Space Nine Star Trek Voyager there's Nothing in the Database that says Anything about A Burn
Yeah, they didn't say the signal caused the Burn at all, just that the nebula is the point of origin and there happens to be a Federation distress signal coming from it.
Some wannabe Kirk made first contact with some godlike energy being, banged her once and then tried to sneak out during the night. She noticed and retaliated....
they did say the area had some funky stuff going on. could be the ship went into the nebula to study it, something interacted within the nebula interacted with the ship and caused a omega-like event that shot through sub space. A more sentient possibility is something lived in the nebula (like the alien from haunting of deck 12), the ship entered and unwittingly was damaging the nebula, so the alien tried to protect itself.
for those who havent seen the bit after Adira is upset there because they are not female they are non binary and use they them pronouns which Stament completely embraces as soon as he's told as does his husband
Wow, I was not aware of Star Trek Discovery until today (7-23-22) ! ! OMG I missed what appears to be a possible all-time fav next to TNG of course LOL.
Anytime I watch a clip from Discovery, there is just something very...off putting about the actors and their performances. I can't accurately define it, but the actors, their dialogue, their mannerisms just seem very....unnatural.
I get what you mean. There's a synergy and authenticity that's just lacking in the way some of these scenes are written. They get it right sometimes but it's really hit and miss.
It's the exact opposite. Traditionally, Star Trek actors have been recruited from the stage. Both William Shatner and Patrick Stewart were experienced Shakespearean actors before being hired for Star Trek, for example. The acting, as a result, is lacking the naturalism of most modern actors, preferring the projected, exaggerated quality of stage performance. It's one of the things which set Star Trek apart, and why it always felt larger-than-life. The acting on Disco is of the more modern type, and why it feels more like some kind of sitcom or procedural drama than Star Trek.
@@NoJusticeNoPeace A LARGE portion of 90's Trek were stage actors first. Not just Shakespearean. This is a great observation! People just aren't used to the modern filmography employed on these new Treks. It is hard to put yourself into it when you are used to a certain style. Honestly, think of the classic TOS and compare that with TNG era, there was a change in style there already. Some don't notice it as much because the movies kind of act as a buffer and allows the style transition to be less jarring since it happened over time.
Star Fleet is a military endeavor. The Navy in space. You don't talk like a 12 year old spoiled brat to your superiors using 20th century slang. That is was bugs me the most.
Just like prejudice and racism already addressed in previous shows, "Transgender issues" should have been something not heard of for hundreds of years.
Considering that transgender pronouns, racism, prejudice and the like was addressed centuries ago I can't see why they need to bring something like that up. It's almost as if they're saying the crew is somehow poorly dealing with those issues that this needs to be mentioned so often.
@@MP-lv5vk No, it's as if they hadn't moved past all those problems *centuries* before, so it's rather redundant and stupid to treat them as if its something new or problematical for them to deal with rather than people who *haven't*. If you want a 'show for the times', make one in the present day that deals with those issues regularly.
I'm curious if, in this new politically correct version of Star Trek, an alien crewmember thinks they're human, are they, in fact, to be considered human?
