Not just PvE players are using dilu and voiding to prevent wiping. There’s a lot of toxic top 250s in the guilds Assassin, Akers, Night Seer, and more that will wipe a freshie or pver and then void once they get put in combat by another max level that spun back
I have a marker at diluvian (on my pvp) but its simply because every depths ganking guild has an abnormal amount of people on standby and use very cheesy things like saltchemist insanity pots, shared misery, realm, saving bell, assassins, trackstars, artillery mages, etc and theres literally no way for pves to escape either since they'll just realm you all you can hope is that you can stall and run long enough to void
honestly this is a pretty valid reason to just wanna jump in the void all of that does sounds like BS, if anything all cheese those things should be nerfed as well but we will have to see
@@Agamatsu i think there should be something done about teaming in general while in the deths, because it doesnt matter how hard you nerf all these types of builds. Nerfing all of them would make a bunch of people who play the build normally have to switch builds. I do think it should be a fact that if someone has more people than you, they have an advantage, but having 8 or so max levels just to kill some random progging pve player is not the way to go It would definitely be pretty hard to nerf teaming as a whole, but I do remember when YBA made it so if youre fighting another person then you get s to all other moves. I think they could maybe do something like if theres a guild with atleast 5 people, you get no hitstun or ragdoll from all other attacks and damage is halved. Or you could make it so the more people from the guild that hit you, your hp is multiplied (like a boss that scales hp with the amount of players there). Im not really sure, cuz nerfing teaming is pretty hard TL;DR nerfing all the builds people use in the depths would be inefficient and risky to normal players and we should nerf teaming while in depths instead
Really hope something is done about this bc there really isn’t a point in fighting in depths when it’s easy not wipe by abusing dilu and going to layer 2 in combat. Mainly freshies die in the depths to max lvls who gank them and and its near impossible have a successful spin back cuz most max lvls just void when they get in combat to another max lvl
if theres gonna be a relic that makes it so you can't jump void similar to visionshaper at least make it so it locks you in a 1v1 with the other person, since the only time I really jump void anymore during pvp is when its like a 3v1 or some shit against me
ok well I understand that these methods of escape are very cheesy, but just general depths ganking sucks right now. if your not on a pvp build then your pretty much screwed. worse yet pretty much the only reason people are on max pvps is to depths gank. so pves are really just screwed without these options of escape.
while I understand the complaint especially if it involves cheese pvp builds, does that mean that depths should just not have PvP risk? Quite literally all forms of PvE besides hell mode and primadon are instanced so you arent facing any players there either At best id say they just need to get rid of the cheesy PvP builds but past that I dont think they should just rid PvP of all of its risk especially in the area that’s supposed to be the most risky
@@Agamatsu honestly I agree, I just have had too many situations where on a build im simply going to one place in the depths and im depths ganked, feels too common. but then again I feel the real problem is that its incentivized to gank almost everyone you see and thats what truly needs to be looked at.
Almost no one has tp bell Your not gonna have a chance to ring the bells in pvp combat You have to be near diluvian or have to tp bell to effectively use this as a strat To go to layer 2 with 80 to 90% health is a bad idea. Get hit one by a mob when falling down and you wipe(sharko coral spear, jumping broodlord(god it needs to be nerfed) threshers that move and jump at rediculous speeds) None of these are good changes
First off yes, many people have TP bell and abuse this regularly. Second off, I specifically said that PvE combat tag could keep the 50% above health void escape. Its like none of yall pay attention to the video bruh 💀yall deadass want no consequences in the depths
@@Agamatsu you just want pvp mouthbreathers to start touching us for no reason , i understand pvp vs pvp but pve people get ganked the most and thats a fact we ofc need a way to defend ourselves
@@Agamatsu why would we want to fight in the depths though the gankers can just go gank with their 5 cheese pvp builds in the overworld leave the pve builds alone
max level boosted silenthearts when they realize that they cant gank power 1 deepbounds on sight because they cant win against anyone power 4 or higher
Ah yes, exactly the kind of take you'd expect from a youtuber that can just progress or farm in private servers, and has thousands of followers on at all times willing to help him in ganks / willing to give him whatever he needs even if he does get wiped just because he's a youtuber.
cringe bumass how tf u know how this guy progs? U just watching him play 24/7?? depths ain't supposed to be free exp topia dude if U that scared of getting ganked then get good 😭
Aga could there be possibly added a relic that allows you to take revenge on whoever max level (or 15+)wipes you at power 2 freshie on castle light? not being able to take revenge because he can just log or void when you come back on another slot to take revenge is absolutely frustrating
Agamatsu always shares his 5-minute ass ideas, most surface-level ideas, can't wait to get strong left'd off a cliff in the depths and wipe cuz I was at 80%.
Nigga this shit was in verse 1, it isnt some new idea I came up with. Tf you think the point of the depths is supposed to be? A free endgame PvE farm? Get real bro there is no risk in PvE besides the risk of running into other players. Only mfs who are mad are people who constantly abuse this because they got attacked but thats just the nature of a game that has PvP included in it, if they wanted no PvP in the depths they could have legit turned it off but they didn’t. Be more careful in the depths nigga its supposed to be a risky ass place.
@@Agamatsumy nigga bro i get where pve players be coming from though bc highkey you spend 5+ hours progging to lose all your hp in like 20 seconds bro yesterday in claris dialougue i got assinated and went from near full ona 570hp build to knocked in like 8 seconds while tryna grab dawnwalker
@@Agamatsualso highkey mfs who have work and shit dont feel like having to restart because some no life kid or ytber or anyone for that matter wants to go out of their way for practically no reason 9/10 to make someones day worse like get real gangy after i come home from a 6-7-8 hour shift and finish progging im not tryna lose my shit in less than 30 seconds to some cracked out lil kid or loser ass adult who sits at their pc 24/7 ts js not fun any more bro😂
take away the cheese builds before taking the our PVE safety because i dont feel like getting saltchemist insanity pots, realm, saving bell, assassins, trackstars, artillery mages, and more cheese to death when i can't fight even a normal PVP build so its unfair
Imagine getting jumped by someone with shared misery and saltchemist with insanity pots and not being able to jump into the void cuz deepwoken balance made it so the people you fighting made a bar of your health just bc a m1
I feel the diluvian TP should stay bc I was literally exiting the diluvian when 3 people jumped me when I just spawned in. The tp literally saved me from wiping to a 1v3.
thank you agamatsu for sharing this method , which only a very few players thought off and now everyone know about it thanks to you , however it will be nerfed probably anyways
the void change i agree with however not the diluvian one because having tp bell to just immediately teleport to diluvian mechanism is extremely niche. It's not like every max level running around in the depths has tp bell it's a legendary bell for a reason.
yappamatsu ts makes no sense you'll be having these godseeker adrenaline junkies ganking 700 elo mfs. if they add sumn like this they gotta add ranked depths or something
Jumping in the void only works if they are above half HP. The depths is dangerous because any mob and player can attack you and cause you to wipe. There should be a way to somewhat save yourself instead of wiping 100% of the time because a group of players decide to group together and wipe people. Aside from that, vision shaper exists and stops people from being able to jump in the void. Counters do exist
If the game was balanced adding it wouldn’t be an issue, but it just won’t work dawg. Too many cheese options. If you remove the cheese options for PVE builds then do it for PVP builds too.
In my opinion that should be staying like that. Depths gankers are annoying asf but if the game decides to make diluvian Not be able to start in PvP Mode and Including bell and Layer 2 Depths gankers will grow even bigger. So for me that should be staying like that.
Hivelords hubris and heavy hands ring is NOT good in 1v1s (Good in ganks tho), you just suck. Get good. And if you ever catch me losing to a hivelord hubris with heavy hands ring, that’s because I DO suck, I rarely play deepwoken.
@@lolfoxmaster4870 fym "not good"? the m1s are literally tormenting your patience and muscle memory, m1ing during their m1s is pointless since theyll always have hyperarmor, making your weapon practically enchanted with yunshul, embedded with favoritism on opponents
@@mykolas8575 You just admitted that you just suck at fighting it. Simply get better. I wonder why you only see those builds at low-mid level Chime? Also, if you're struggling with it that much, put that tiny brain of yours to work and stop parry trading. I can't react to Dagger? Just S hold and avoid parry trading as much as possible. You're just complaining without acknowledging that: 1. You just suck at fighting it. (Get better) 2. You can play around it.
@@mykolas8575 Including mantra and uppercut mixups. It's a bunch of attacks being thrown in different timings. Idk what the hell the other dude talkn bout.
@@mykolas8575 The other guy is talking like he doesn't get folded on the regular by those same builds. Parry timing gets thrown out the fucking window when mfs bring builds likes these to the fight.
Just make Chaser mandatory and an actual boss. Like not some gimmick ass fight, an actual boss like Maestro. It punishes people for voiding if they cant deal with it.
For the bells, it was intended, and it's good . For the pve tp method. Just make it that u can't use the bell to go there exactly. While no one has complained about this. It's only you. They have to make a poll for it before any change they want to do. If not. U will see pve players getting combat tagged by ardour scream and killed and get all their loot stolen and also their build wiped. Just because some ppl are so trash and the game doesn't know how to fix an issue
Even if things like this get changed you are still gonna have the issue of people flooding servers for depths ganks. Ignoring the issue of broken builds, no amount of skill is gonna save you from being 4v1d in depths. Not to mention with how strong mobility still is in this game how is the Blindseer attunementless hvy player gonna bossraid people he can't even knock because of how fast they are. I get the idea of making depths ganks better for people who get jumped by a person and then have the person who jumped them not have a free safety net, but this doesn't solve the issue of getting jumped and not actually being able to do anything because you got outnumbered.
True, true. The flooding that happens literally everywhere and is a part of the game. If you get 4v1'd what's wrog with that? You can't name me a single game where 4v1s are remotely fair. I don't know how 4v1s are a "problem" when it's simple logic that more people = win (even irl). Jumping is also a made up problem. Apparently, I have to announce that I wanna wipe you now? Go back to Adopt Me bro.
Because then the depths essentially becomes free exp. If your doing deepbound your 100% running PvE and if your doing PvE there’s virtually no threat outside of other players due to you insta killing almost any monster in the game. And if your running PvP on deepbound for some reason, using this method to escape a fight your losing is absolutely a cheese and a total dick move.
@@realdmnd not really, I mean I personally don’t like doing it but PvP is a big part of the game and lots of PvE slots carry lots of loot. But if your a freshie and 5 max levels gank you just for shits and gigs then yeah it is.
@Wcs_deepwoken As a pve player. My items are either in bank or some ASAP. Most pve players in fact are not carrying heaps of loot, we have bank slots, the chances of finding a stacked pve player is like 1/20 maybe rarer, it takes a real incompetent player to not have a way of keeping valuable items put of their inventories. 9/10 as well I am full party ganked by max pvp builds while I am a measly pve build, i can do big damage and all but I can't string combos or even do much ranged or posture damage. Also if free exp is true then using your own logic attacking a pve with a full max pvp guild is the same thing, pves cannot raid boss like that. If pve is so risk free then your solution shouldn't be to throw them into unfair fights but to make pve scarier.
@@user-he1ii7gh8k I don’t think throwing PvE players into unfair situations is a good idea, I just think being able to completely escape and cheese somebody PvPing in a game heavily meant for PvP with almost no effort (teleporting to diluvian then going into the trial is super easy to pull off) shouldn’t be a thing. I do agree with your point of making PvE more scary though.
I personally don't like the idea on the PvE side of builds. I'd rather go just play Voidwalker or do PvE in the overworld rather than progressing a Diluvian build to have it wiped by Depths gankers, it's just not fun and I refuse to be anyone's walking treasure. Edit: Forgot to add the main point I wanted to bring :P, some people just like the PvE side of deepwoken and don't wanna get involved in PvP, it'd be unfair to cut them off from that becase (as far as I can tell) depths gankers complain they can't gank people.
@@LaqandStuff I fucking love it when people say, "don't play." Like do you want this game to die, or do you just want a smaller community that only consists of sweaty pvpers? In PERMA DEATH games the whole fucking point is to NOT DIE. A player like me has so many builds on stand by that even if I did wipe a build(which I haven't done since layer 2 dropped) I would just use one of my other builds. Death has lost all meaning ever since we got good at the game, so stop trying to make wiping players easier than it already is.
@@JsphCrrll you dont need to be a sweaty pvper with the amount of cheese builds there are in the game right now and wiping players these days isnt easy if your not on a good build yourself, you cant really make a permadeath game new player freindly its like throwing a total noob into a minecraft hardcore world. if you always had an option to escape and save your progress whats the point of it even being perma death? lol
Ngl pve and pvp in this game do not mix well. I think that’s the core reason as to why there are several methods for pve players to use in helping them slightly in the depths by a one time heal or the void as a way to enter layer 2. This in turn though becomes extremely valuable for pvp players to just void risk. And I don’t think there is an easily tangible way to “make it good for both pvp and pve.” Pve gives control to the user so that the game becomes a “practice and learn” kind of game. Pvp has so many wildcards that it’s near impossible to make it fightable unless they strip a ton of mechanics like visionshaper realm, long range spam, assassination, outnumbering, etc. And when you fight something out of your control, it doesn’t become fun anymore.
Yall PVE player’s gotta adapt and make good PVE’s and PVP’s at the same time because people who jump me in depths (on my pve) tend to lose, you just need to carry a good pvp weapon, a mantra to mixup, kongas and you’re set! I’ve been surviving depths ganks on a 100 year old pve all the time. You just gotta be well equipped
Honestly i think the thing thats unfair is when i spend 10 hours making a pve build for some random ass pvp build hiding in the city to wipe me and waste me time for no reason. I think the solution here is the diluvian thing shouldnt exist, below a certain health threshold and layer 2 should just be more difficult to escape. Chaser is too easy for being what he is.
To me, this should stay. Layer 2 is supposed to be a "last chance" so i don't see why not, the diluvian though? Maybe not. Though it should probably stay, a sudden change like that would make pve in depths not fun. Nobody likes being ganked by 3 cheese pvp builds on a pve slot.
As much as I enjoy overworld ganking, I really don't think depths ganking should be made easier. Nobody wants to get 1 shot by some bs combo and be forced to remake their build. Yes I know the highly experienced players can get to max in like an hour but you can't just only think about those players. Newer/inexperienced players still spend like 5-8 hours making a build.
Wiping has always been the main point of the Depths. If you don't wanna wipe, stop going there. If you are, wiping should be something you expect to happen, not a myth like it is now.
@@Sc5ch I mean not much you can do when you are forced to go there every 2 deaths and when you need knowledge. You shouldn't be able to get instantly wiped by a guild of 4 when your minding your own business
Bro what is wrong with you bro I can be peacefully trying to escape the depths I until get jumped by a random max level who needs cont oath oh wait also may just get wiped in the depths by pvp player just camping at the mech and it doesn't even make you unkillable because you have to remember you need to make it to the mech and tp bell is rare as heck like 3k people have the normal version and maybe like 35 with drowned and like 300 with corrupted if they remove it we all know who fault it will be that will be you if they do remove it
